@@amyzappa1436 don’t think you do more dmg when they are under 50%. Yes, you do see people through walls when they are low and do more damage when they are hacked.
Everyone has bad games sometimes and having a 0 kill dps sucks but at least that one dps tried to switch up what/how they played when things weren't working instead of doing the same thing over and over again. Haven't watched the whole video yet so not sure how well it's gonna work but still I feel like that's better than doing the same thing a million times and expecting a different result.
I love emongg's vod reviews. Very good constructive criticism that will actually help someone to improve and not just roasting someone for their bad plays. Thanks for being the wholesome and welcoming OW2 content creator that the community needs!
it feels liek this tank wants to be playing a more traditional tank but also has really good doomfist mechanics ... if he can commit to one or the other i think hed be a lot better off. trying to frontline brawl with a doomfist is going to end in tragedy more often then not
i love watching these videos so much, because you're not just sitting here roasting people nonstop because they're messing up in different places. I really love the fact that you're giving them constructive criticism & ways to improve their gameplay. I personally learn so much just from watching these & listening to how you're "coaching" others. keep up the amazing work, emongg !
the strengths of dive is that they can very easily move around the map and get around and behind the enemy to force them to turn around and use important buttons since *your* buttons are very low cooldown; thats all u need to work on to get great value with dive even if ur not great with mechanics
@@Duane-p1d idk if we watched the same video but their dps seemed more helpful that the doom at times. I don’t play dps cuz it’s not my thing, but yeah u got me chief !
@@sakura9959Doom is a tank that typically requires external pressure from DPS first and foremost, used as a separation tool more than a Frontline. The real issue is that this guy was playing Doom into like 3 Doom counters.
@@SereneLeskovsky yeah I have to wonder, at what point do you swap? if Doom is dependant on his DPS and one of those DPS is slacking + you're playing into 3 of his counters, shouldn't the move be to swap Doom?
Also needs to learn the vertical slam. Sometimes when you can’t really escape but you just need to buy a few seconds of not getting targeted, you just jump straight up. Break enemy LOS, maybe catch some heals, maybe get your block and punch of cooldown as you hit for some overhealth.
I watched a ton of how-tos, learned doomtech, whatnot. I start in bronze. Now the pros tell me 1) get enemy team off highground. Check, nobody's ever there. 2) Bait out their cooldowns. Check, they use all their cooldowns on me, always. 3) make them get out of position. Check, they would follow me wherever I go. One thing they don't tell you is you also have to kill them, otherwise there is still a 50% chance you lose.
Don’t know how serious this comment is meant to be, but of course killing them (squishies specifically) should be your goal, but disrupting the enemy team is always the top priority as a dive character like Doomfist, D.va, Winston
@@Susshomaru I meant it. I'm not good enough to be doom. I'm hacked, naded, flashed, speared, slept, etc., and I find it hard to stay alive let alone kill anyone. I soak up all the health packs but then they are hacked too so gg. I got to gold, but don't ever hope for support to heal you, because - as they say - it's too hard.
Imo, Doom is a very difficult hero to play in lower ranks (people don't really know how to play with him, but they also know what's an easy-to-play counter - DVa has a similar experience with beam heroes but is more capable of peeling for her own team and isn't 100% reliant on diving in nonstop to get value). But yes it is better to prioritize living/escaping than to worry about getting kills yourself (mainly when the dps passive isn't applied). On any hero, but especially tank. It's important to be able to swap when you're countered too hard and your team is incapable (for whatever reason) of working with you. Like yeah learning to play against counters is valuable, but if you're being countered that hard without seeing any benefits to you or your team, and you care about winning, swapping helps. Also make sure you do a quick check on your teammates' positions before you engage, especially with your supports for LoS but also if you have any flankers who you can try to time engages with.
@@karamei Thank you. I somewhat disagree with the staying alive thing. In many cases it is much better to kill one and die - your spawn is closer, you move much faster, etc. My problem is, my team tries to stay alive too much, when they should not, and vice versa. As for working with the team - up to plat, there is hardly ever any team, let alone teamwork. Seeing that I know how to take cover and position well, my support starts ignoring me. Bad stats when you tab, apparently.
@@CheGuava-fm5dq Idk, as tank, if you die, your team basically loses the fight unless they're totally cracked (in which case you likely wouldn't need to feed for a kill anyway). I relate to the last bit though as I've been off-roling on DPS lately (I main support) and have definitely experienced what you're describing. Maybe playing with my team would be more beneficial to my games, unfortunately, as I'm often the only one even taking high ground (as something like Soj and Ashe for example), and it often feels like neither team is reacting to me pressuring the backline even when I get a kill lol idk maybe shooting tank with the rest of my team is the way in these ranks :(
Tbh, I think OW is a strategy game first and foremost. Once on QP My team managed to win because 4 of the team mebers mantained everyone away from teh cart while I just literally sat on the cart and moved it foward. We didn't have more kills, but since the other team couldn't get close, we managed to win, To this day I still can't believe it happened.
When you're the tank anytime you're doing nothing while the team's in the fight is felt hard. Face tanking as doom puts you in spawn. Pretty much you just need to figure out flank engagements and timing so you're not going to spawn often. If that means hide while you wait for a teammate or two to respawn or even realizing you have no value at the beginning of the fight aside from attracting bullets so you literally just be a distraction. Just always trying to bring a little value and while your team may not notice it, they'll reap the rewards if they're decent. You had one really good DPS to balance out the mediocre dps
15:00 doom is a very high mobility tank, and especially against an orisa, you absolutely can dive their backline. Make the tank turn for you diving their backline, hopefully your dps can make the tank fall over while protecting you jumping their healers.
Reminds me of a game I had on Doom. I went like 5-4 with my dps going 0-5 and 0-8. The one with 0-8 went "Tank???" while the other just admitted that they got diffed lmao
3:24. Orisa is such a heavy counter to doom. Every time you block she javelins. Anytime I’m playing against a doom I tune my orisa cooldowns to counter doom, steamroll the tank, collapse the rest of the team. (If they healers aren’t hardcore pocketing him)
I think every doom player should take just a few minutes to learn the basic tech. Nothing fancy just the easy to pull off and super helpful ones for additional height and distance because they are insanely helpful and easy as anything to pull off
I think the should look up more when they use slam tbh. When the don’t look up I feel like they don’t go far and it makes it easy for the enemy to shoot them. It also seems like they stressed out or smth whenever the got low and instead of safely retreating they ending up still dying. I’m not an expert or anything but I also feel like their positioning needs work from what I saw.
Set the stage more. Use really safe slams for charge and bait for block. Wait. Wait... Wait for a half dead squishy or whatever. An easy win. Then you commit. Otherwise poke position and wait.
Blame like this is normal for tank players btw especially if ur a dive tank player…guy will go 1 20 n say its bc u were sitting on his lap, getting spanked, and kissing his neck
2:20 this actually isn’t really true. When they’re grouped up like that you should be slamming in and punching out to gain shields and build ult for a proper engage. When you go for that engage punch in build empowered punch and slam out. When they’re super grouped empowered punch can deviate a team. The issue is they’re not slam cycling.
@ weak state of mind swapping is for those without the will to overcome. Also how is the advice bad. Slam cycling is the most important doom fundamental ESPECIALLY against high cc comps. The issue in this video was he was trying to face tank the cc which is the opposite of my advice lol.
@@AnimeOtaku56.it’s not a weak state of mind lol please stop with the wanna be giga chad bs. This is silver. People blame their doom because they don’t know how to play with or the same style as a doom. THIS is the reason why they popped off in the second round; Sombra switched. If your teams not helping out, then switch. Go more for a poke style, or orisa mirror. It’s not a “weak minded” mentality. It’s called being and playing smart. If I have a doom on my team, I’ll either go tracer or Lucio to play along. It takes a team to play with a doom hard dive style. Also, this guy doesn’t know angles and positioning. There’s a time and a place for every hero, this comp was hard anti doom. Again, the only thing that saved this guy was his team mate switching to Sombra.
@ yeah you just don’t know anything about doom or the game honestly. Until the highest ranks and even then team comps mean absolutely nothing. Simply a playstyle switch up for the players. As a doom one trick (or just a tank in general) your team is just gonna blame you lol. It’s especially worse because they don’t know how to play with doom but at those ranks nobody knows how to play anything. A lot of dooms cope that “oh well my team doesn’t play with me. when you should be playing with your team. I one tricked doom from gold to diamond before I stopped playing comp. I can tell you that I never told my teammates to swap because there was always something I could do. If you think you can’t do more go ahead and swap but I know that my play style just has to switch. His positioning was in front of the team which wouldn’t be bad if he was actually cycling cd’s instead of wasting all of them in front of the enemies. People in low ranks that believe that the character that ur on defines the game just need to git gud lol.
My guess to why he's playing like this is cuz he's been told by all his teammates that the tanks just need to fight each other and duke it out while relying on his teammates to win their battles and he's just assumed that's the same for all tanks. I'd probably recommend him to watch other doomfist players that are at least masters or even just streamers in general cuz they'll help create the right path
@ actually once you understand and accept you suck. You can work on getting better. As opposed to thinking you’re good and blaming others and not improving your deficiencies.
1 trick tanks are fn trash, you should of started with that and could of ended it there too, short video move to the next person actually trying to be a good teammate
IMO the issues with Doom is a very simple one. The problem with this Doom player is that he was trying to play front line against a heavy counter Orisa. Doom team has to be able to survive without him for a moment as he dive in and out of the enemy back line. Not only this, Doom movements are not linear. He has to play angles, over walls or around corners. Movement is something that one has to learn to really be able to enjoy doom. Edit: Also F Bliz for allowing Orisa Jav to work against Doom Block!
This is what drives me crazy sometimes! There are so many dooms who DO have good mechanics but they lack everything else! They don't scout, they don't Play with purpose, they just rinse and repeat EVEN if they fucking lose!🙄 They don't analyze the damn situation! Fortunately some use VC and we did make it work but the Doom Player Made It so hard to win until WE told him what to do!!! A Doomfist with no brain is just useless!!! Just go Orisa or Mauga if You don't have the brain power! Unfortunately many Dooms win by doing LUCKILY the right thing and bc of that they get some wins THINKING THEY CARRIED WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DIDN'T DO JACKASS! The most horrible thing is they don't even adjust their Playstyle! On defense and Attack you have to change HOW you Play!!! Why do so many low ranks don't know that?🙄 So dumb PS: I hate it that Emongg praises bad players! This Doom's Target priority/defense/ game sense/positioning was BAD!!! It lead to him feeding a LOT which made the game so much harder! His Playstyle just HAPPENS to go well with Attack! That's it! Emongg should be more precise and mention the mistakes SO they can improve!
I hope you do realise he criticized him plenty - just because he isn't loud/brash, doesn't mean he doesn't give good advice. Hell, praising people when they do good is also a form of giving good advice!!
That Sombra was the sole reason this game was won. Pretty much controlled the whole 1st attack
Tbh, sombra with her damage boost with hack, 140 hp virus, plus damage boost to enemies under 50% hp, she is far deadlier then tracer if used right.
@@amyzappa1436Not sure that last part about 50% is right.
@@PandaDasKissen it is, you also see there auras thru walls. It's a part of her passive kit now
@@amyzappa1436 don’t think you do more dmg when they are under 50%. Yes, you do see people through walls when they are low and do more damage when they are hacked.
@PandaDasKissen i will look it up rq, but i have played a TON of reworked sombra
Some people need to complain less about what others should do and get on what they should be doing themselves. One should always look to improve.
such a saint. do you have a daily sermon i can attend.
@verboseessays This is what bait looks like.
This game does not respect skill development.
Amen
Toxic is as toxic does. It's best to ignore people like that, but it's hard.
Everyone has bad games sometimes and having a 0 kill dps sucks but at least that one dps tried to switch up what/how they played when things weren't working instead of doing the same thing over and over again. Haven't watched the whole video yet so not sure how well it's gonna work but still I feel like that's better than doing the same thing a million times and expecting a different result.
Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?
@@ned42069 Damn i was thinking of the same thing
I love emongg's vod reviews. Very good constructive criticism that will actually help someone to improve and not just roasting someone for their bad plays. Thanks for being the wholesome and welcoming OW2 content creator that the community needs!
it feels liek this tank wants to be playing a more traditional tank but also has really good doomfist mechanics ... if he can commit to one or the other i think hed be a lot better off. trying to frontline brawl with a doomfist is going to end in tragedy more often then not
Yeah he was giving that Orisa exactly what she wanted, and she was able to hit so many well-timed Javelins easily.
i love watching these videos so much, because you're not just sitting here roasting people nonstop because they're messing up in different places. I really love the fact that you're giving them constructive criticism & ways to improve their gameplay. I personally learn so much just from watching these & listening to how you're "coaching" others. keep up the amazing work, emongg !
the strengths of dive is that they can very easily move around the map and get around and behind the enemy to force them to turn around and use important buttons since *your* buttons are very low cooldown; thats all u need to work on to get great value with dive even if ur not great with mechanics
I love it when tank gets blamed by a dps that goes like 0 and 10 lol
tbh I think if the tank was constantly dead the first round it would be hard for anyone to do anything
@@sakura9959ah ur the dps in video huh 😂 u go 6-6 and blame tank 😂 😂
@@Duane-p1d idk if we watched the same video but their dps seemed more helpful that the doom at times. I don’t play dps cuz it’s not my thing, but yeah u got me chief !
@@sakura9959Doom is a tank that typically requires external pressure from DPS first and foremost, used as a separation tool more than a Frontline. The real issue is that this guy was playing Doom into like 3 Doom counters.
@@SereneLeskovsky yeah I have to wonder, at what point do you swap? if Doom is dependant on his DPS and one of those DPS is slacking + you're playing into 3 of his counters, shouldn't the move be to swap Doom?
6:39 you gotta wait that out, you and your whole team needed to find cover once those two support ults were popped
I can just feel the supports sadness. A feeling dps, and doom makes for a rough game
Also needs to learn the vertical slam. Sometimes when you can’t really escape but you just need to buy a few seconds of not getting targeted, you just jump straight up. Break enemy LOS, maybe catch some heals, maybe get your block and punch of cooldown as you hit for some overhealth.
I watched a ton of how-tos, learned doomtech, whatnot. I start in bronze. Now the pros tell me 1) get enemy team off highground. Check, nobody's ever there. 2) Bait out their cooldowns. Check, they use all their cooldowns on me, always. 3) make them get out of position. Check, they would follow me wherever I go. One thing they don't tell you is you also have to kill them, otherwise there is still a 50% chance you lose.
Don’t know how serious this comment is meant to be, but of course killing them (squishies specifically) should be your goal, but disrupting the enemy team is always the top priority as a dive character like Doomfist, D.va, Winston
@@Susshomaru I meant it. I'm not good enough to be doom. I'm hacked, naded, flashed, speared, slept, etc., and I find it hard to stay alive let alone kill anyone. I soak up all the health packs but then they are hacked too so gg. I got to gold, but don't ever hope for support to heal you, because - as they say - it's too hard.
Imo, Doom is a very difficult hero to play in lower ranks (people don't really know how to play with him, but they also know what's an easy-to-play counter - DVa has a similar experience with beam heroes but is more capable of peeling for her own team and isn't 100% reliant on diving in nonstop to get value). But yes it is better to prioritize living/escaping than to worry about getting kills yourself (mainly when the dps passive isn't applied). On any hero, but especially tank. It's important to be able to swap when you're countered too hard and your team is incapable (for whatever reason) of working with you. Like yeah learning to play against counters is valuable, but if you're being countered that hard without seeing any benefits to you or your team, and you care about winning, swapping helps.
Also make sure you do a quick check on your teammates' positions before you engage, especially with your supports for LoS but also if you have any flankers who you can try to time engages with.
@@karamei Thank you. I somewhat disagree with the staying alive thing. In many cases it is much better to kill one and die - your spawn is closer, you move much faster, etc. My problem is, my team tries to stay alive too much, when they should not, and vice versa.
As for working with the team - up to plat, there is hardly ever any team, let alone teamwork. Seeing that I know how to take cover and position well, my support starts ignoring me. Bad stats when you tab, apparently.
@@CheGuava-fm5dq Idk, as tank, if you die, your team basically loses the fight unless they're totally cracked (in which case you likely wouldn't need to feed for a kill anyway). I relate to the last bit though as I've been off-roling on DPS lately (I main support) and have definitely experienced what you're describing. Maybe playing with my team would be more beneficial to my games, unfortunately, as I'm often the only one even taking high ground (as something like Soj and Ashe for example), and it often feels like neither team is reacting to me pressuring the backline even when I get a kill lol idk maybe shooting tank with the rest of my team is the way in these ranks :(
Tbh, I think OW is a strategy game first and foremost. Once on QP My team managed to win because 4 of the team mebers mantained everyone away from teh cart while I just literally sat on the cart and moved it foward. We didn't have more kills, but since the other team couldn't get close, we managed to win, To this day I still can't believe it happened.
Going forward to make the space is what it's all about! 😊
@@ArcNine9Angel absolutely, when you change this mindset it makes easier to win
When you're the tank anytime you're doing nothing while the team's in the fight is felt hard. Face tanking as doom puts you in spawn. Pretty much you just need to figure out flank engagements and timing so you're not going to spawn often. If that means hide while you wait for a teammate or two to respawn or even realizing you have no value at the beginning of the fight aside from attracting bullets so you literally just be a distraction. Just always trying to bring a little value and while your team may not notice it, they'll reap the rewards if they're decent.
You had one really good DPS to balance out the mediocre dps
15:00 doom is a very high mobility tank, and especially against an orisa, you absolutely can dive their backline. Make the tank turn for you diving their backline, hopefully your dps can make the tank fall over while protecting you jumping their healers.
Reminds me of a game I had on Doom. I went like 5-4 with my dps going 0-5 and 0-8. The one with 0-8 went "Tank???" while the other just admitted that they got diffed lmao
3:24. Orisa is such a heavy counter to doom. Every time you block she javelins. Anytime I’m playing against a doom I tune my orisa cooldowns to counter doom, steamroll the tank, collapse the rest of the team. (If they healers aren’t hardcore pocketing him)
That thumbnail was cool👍
💯% I absolutely LOVE it
Ok, the thing that will help them improve the most is charging punch behind a corner or wall. they're just taking to much dmg
What is that masterpiece of a thumbnail 😭😭🙏🏽🙏🏽
Reaper died -0.6 seconds into the first round 😂😂
I think every doom player should take just a few minutes to learn the basic tech. Nothing fancy just the easy to pull off and super helpful ones for additional height and distance because they are insanely helpful and easy as anything to pull off
a lesson new players always need to learn is you dont need to use your skills on cd
I think the should look up more when they use slam tbh. When the don’t look up I feel like they don’t go far and it makes it easy for the enemy to shoot them. It also seems like they stressed out or smth whenever the got low and instead of safely retreating they ending up still dying. I’m not an expert or anything but I also feel like their positioning needs work from what I saw.
This is a tank diff for sure
Set the stage more. Use really safe slams for charge and bait for block. Wait. Wait... Wait for a half dead squishy or whatever. An easy win. Then you commit. Otherwise poke position and wait.
So the dps definitely didn't go 007 lol they didn't go great but unless they disconnected near the end they did get elims
I wasn't paying close attention but it's possible they went 007 at first before getting elims? Idk that's what I assumed
18:02 did anyone see the orisa teleport??
i think the lifeweaver pulled her outta there lol, it does seem like she teleported yeah
The dps carried this team hard
love u emongg
Blame like this is normal for tank players btw especially if ur a dive tank player…guy will go 1 20 n say its bc u were sitting on his lap, getting spanked, and kissing his neck
2:20 this actually isn’t really true. When they’re grouped up like that you should be slamming in and punching out to gain shields and build ult for a proper engage. When you go for that engage punch in build empowered punch and slam out. When they’re super grouped empowered punch can deviate a team. The issue is they’re not slam cycling.
It’s such a hard CC comp that this is not good advice lol
Just switch at this point honestly.
@ weak state of mind swapping is for those without the will to overcome. Also how is the advice bad. Slam cycling is the most important doom fundamental ESPECIALLY against high cc comps. The issue in this video was he was trying to face tank the cc which is the opposite of my advice lol.
@@AnimeOtaku56.it’s not a weak state of mind lol please stop with the wanna be giga chad bs.
This is silver. People blame their doom because they don’t know how to play with or the same style as a doom. THIS is the reason why they popped off in the second round; Sombra switched.
If your teams not helping out, then switch. Go more for a poke style, or orisa mirror. It’s not a “weak minded” mentality. It’s called being and playing smart.
If I have a doom on my team, I’ll either go tracer or Lucio to play along. It takes a team to play with a doom hard dive style.
Also, this guy doesn’t know angles and positioning. There’s a time and a place for every hero, this comp was hard anti doom. Again, the only thing that saved this guy was his team mate switching to Sombra.
@ yeah you just don’t know anything about doom or the game honestly. Until the highest ranks and even then team comps mean absolutely nothing. Simply a playstyle switch up for the players.
As a doom one trick (or just a tank in general) your team is just gonna blame you lol. It’s especially worse because they don’t know how to play with doom but at those ranks nobody knows how to play anything. A lot of dooms cope that “oh well my team doesn’t play with me. when you should be playing with your team.
I one tricked doom from gold to diamond before I stopped playing comp. I can tell you that I never told my teammates to swap because there was always something I could do. If you think you can’t do more go ahead and swap but I know that my play style just has to switch.
His positioning was in front of the team which wouldn’t be bad if he was actually cycling cd’s instead of wasting all of them in front of the enemies. People in low ranks that believe that the character that ur on defines the game just need to git gud lol.
@@AnimeOtaku56. lol who’s reading this
ALRIGHT SO!!!
This is some great content, Emogg, but I'm disappointed there's no mention of Ape Escape.
My guess to why he's playing like this is cuz he's been told by all his teammates that the tanks just need to fight each other and duke it out while relying on his teammates to win their battles and he's just assumed that's the same for all tanks. I'd probably recommend him to watch other doomfist players that are at least masters or even just streamers in general cuz they'll help create the right path
As an ex DPS player. Remember, it's *never* the DPS' fault. It's always someone else.
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HI INKYBEAR!!! HI TWITCH
If you under GM don’t play doom, you gonna throw
Emong is such a nice guy and won’t say it so I’m going to say it. Dude your Doom sucks. Your team carried you.😳✌🏾
That not going to help them get any better.😳✌🏾
@ actually once you understand and accept you suck. You can work on getting better. As opposed to thinking you’re good and blaming others and not improving your deficiencies.
1 trick tanks are fn trash, you should of started with that and could of ended it there too, short video move to the next person actually trying to be a good teammate
Woah 46 seconds ago
IMO the issues with Doom is a very simple one. The problem with this Doom player is that he was trying to play front line against a heavy counter Orisa. Doom team has to be able to survive without him for a moment as he dive in and out of the enemy back line. Not only this, Doom movements are not linear. He has to play angles, over walls or around corners. Movement is something that one has to learn to really be able to enjoy doom.
Edit: Also F Bliz for allowing Orisa Jav to work against Doom Block!
I can't even watch this one he's so bad at doom.
This is what drives me crazy sometimes! There are so many dooms who DO have good mechanics but they lack everything else!
They don't scout, they don't Play with purpose, they just rinse and repeat EVEN if they fucking lose!🙄
They don't analyze the damn situation!
Fortunately some use VC and we did make it work but the Doom Player Made It so hard to win until WE told him what to do!!!
A Doomfist with no brain is just useless!!!
Just go Orisa or Mauga if You don't have the brain power!
Unfortunately many Dooms win by doing LUCKILY the right thing and bc of that they get some wins THINKING THEY CARRIED WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DIDN'T DO JACKASS!
The most horrible thing is they don't even adjust their Playstyle!
On defense and Attack you have to change HOW you Play!!!
Why do so many low ranks don't know that?🙄
So dumb
PS: I hate it that Emongg praises bad players!
This Doom's Target priority/defense/ game sense/positioning was BAD!!! It lead to him feeding a LOT which made the game so much harder!
His Playstyle just HAPPENS to go well with Attack! That's it!
Emongg should be more precise and mention the mistakes SO they can improve!
I hope you do realise he criticized him plenty - just because he isn't loud/brash, doesn't mean he doesn't give good advice. Hell, praising people when they do good is also a form of giving good advice!!
he is criticizing😅 just b/c he's not roasting him doesnt mean he's not giving critics that can help them.
Emongg is like Fats, he patiently gives constructive criticism even if it's frustrating
i thought i would be in the vid after listening to the first segment ive played with many dooms in silver that doesnt change