Piston Rings FAILED! - Can It Run Again? Barn Find 1958 Plymouth
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- "And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not." -Galatians 6:9
This 1958 Plymouth recently started up for the first time in 15 years, but once it ran, it decided to lose compression across all six cylinders. I'm not giving up though, which is why I'm doing whatever it takes to get this car back up and running like it deserves! Think we can bring it back to life after having six dead cylinders? Stick around to find out!
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It's so hard to find these with the flat six still in them. My vote is to keep it in there, even if you have to rebuild it. They sound awesome with an exhaust and are torque monsters.
I hope he does too
Yes. I've heard 6's with a cam that sound meaner than most V8's.
The starter in this car is a hero.
for sure.
lol, im dead!!
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Loved the Christine bit!! The only thing you missed was the tire inflating before you cut away! That would have been the best! Awesome job Dylan!!!!
Yeah I thought when he went for the door he was going to step out the tire would be inflated when he came back
Made even better by using the music from that scene too, I laughed out loud
Me too. Normally when you put lol it isn’t really laughing out loud. This one though I did. Well played young man. Funny bit :)
great touch, shoulda had a remote air compressor to inflate the tires when you said that xD woulda made a great lil bit, real good tho i did like the music and lights tho xD love that movie.
Yeah I love John carpenters christine
Personally I would try my hardest to keep the flat head, but if you have to replace the flat head I think a slant six would be good replacement.
As long as you don't have to modify the frame.
Great choice for a six.
That starter has to the star of this episode 😂, what a champ 🤙🏻
Christine is my favorite John Carpenter movie. You’re the best for that little tidbit. Thumbs up and a new subscriber
I watched this thinking, “My God, he ‘s butchering the poor thing!” Then, against all that’s good and right in mechanical practice, she went and fired! And not only that, kept running. My gast has been flabbered.
I'm interested to see what, if any damage he's done to the engine in spite of getting it running. The good news is that those engines are meaty and tough - they can take a lot of abuse. But as with anything, they'll only take so much. I'll repeat it again: CHECK THE VALVES!!!
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- Max Giganteum
Looking forward to seeing the '58 with a new / rebuilt engine.
I see a 1972 Chevelle at the garage too. This other classic can be road restored easier. Then we can use the Chevelle for trips to find genuine Mopar parts to fix and rebuild the engine (or find a newer one for the beloved 1958 Plymouth). Use two big extractor fans to vent the blue smog from the shop. Now I know why those nice Plymouths share Christine's curse. Thanks.😮
2:33 that was way funnier than it shoulda been 🤣
In 1957, my dad bought a 57 Savoy 2 door. V8, automatic (push button of course), radio, & heater.
By the time I was old enough to drive it in 1966, it was just too rotted to put it on the road and the engine needed some help.
I have a 1956 Plymouth best thing you can do is hook up an electric fuel pump on the inlet side into the carburetor. My car starts 5 seconds after I flick the toggle, excellent video
You keep posting better and better content, absolutely love the editing!!
My mom got a huge kick out of seeing this car run. She knew someone in Cleveland that owned Plymouth and later a Desoto.
16:58 “Uhck-scuse me?” 😂 Pure gold
With that massive shop it seems a shame some of them cars are sat out in a field. Surely there’s room to hold a few undercover :D!
I'm always torn between keeping it as is aside from the necessary replacements, doing a full on restoration or, resto-mod.
Here's my take: if you find an original numbers matching ride, keep it original! If you want to heavily modify or customize then find an already corrupted example and go from there because it won't matter. The number of original rides shrinks every day, month, year... do the world a favor and help preserve what's left.
- Max Giganteum
Its a Mopar, that why it runs. Dylan, Check the timing, please, it could be wrong!
I reckon pull head and oil pan, quick hone, new rings, valve regrind and good clean. Easy and good fun. It deserves to keep the side valve straight six and they can sound good with a proper exhaust.
Yup...I had a larger diameter straight pipe installed on my old 59, along with a glass pack muffler...music!!!
Great job Dylan...glad to see you could build up compression even to run temporarily...and it seems adding oil to the cylinders revealed quite a lot of information...I do agree with the big block swap...I'd say go with a good ole 383 high output...can't beat trustworthy workhorses...awesome video, keep it coming, thank you for the content.
You had me at "Show me". Subscribed. Done.
I like the direction you want to go with this. Hope the chassis and floors aren't to crunchy
20:41 The way the smoke is just hanging in the air... Looks like a photo of a smoky burnout.
Keep it original and as standard as practically possible :) She sounds lovely when running
I have the station wagon version of this car,, it's called a Custom Suburban. I got it running allot easier than this one,, and I am now preparing to replace the engine with a 59 413 Golden Lion 4 Barrel out of a 300 Chrysler. That feels like a day two modification that most street rodder/gearheads would have done back in the day. Either way,,, congrats on getting her going again....
You probably should put a stronger rear and a stronger trans if you put a 413 in it. You don't want to be stuck somewhere because of driveline failure, and have all the Datsuns and Toyotas laugh at you.
@@michaelbenardo5695 engine and trans are matched out of the 300, and the rear is an 8 3/4" front dump, it will be changed to a 489 carrier from the 741 that's currently in it.
Either way, they will laugh because they are just that way. Doesn't affect us old guys.
@@patrickwayne3701 You said pretty much what I did, he would be wise to replace the trans and rear end.
that is not rings anymore, that’s ignition timing being way off!
please don’t v8 swap this beauty!
Couldn't agree with you more.That engine deserves to be with that car!!!!
Man u freaking me out when u turned off lights and head lights went on, thought that
For ever my darling was gona play… 😬 if u keep same stock color would be cool.
Maby patina look either way its a bad ass ride period…good luck Dylan MCcool ride.
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I love the reference to Christine it’s one of my favorite movies
I love the show me segment lol 🤣
Engine swaps, especially swapping an inline 6 like this for a V8 are all over TH-cam and boring as watching paint dry. Fixing an old inline 6 like this is a LOT more interesting. And hopping up an old 6 like this one would be even better. I would watch videos fixing this engine. I seriously doubt I would waste my time on another V8 swap.
I agree.Let the old gal keep the original engine.Engine swaps are a dime a dozen.
Especially the dreaded "LS" swap... which is ultimately even worse when some dolt swaps this Chevy engine into a non-Chevy rig! Epically cringeworthy...
- Max Giganteum
@@MaxGiganteum I think he was thinking of swapping in one of the many small block Mopars he has sitting around. He mentioned having over a dozen of them in a recent video asking if Kevin (JYD) wanted to swap the AMC 4.2L Inline 6 in his Concord.
Really enjoyed this video, I was so disappointed when it wouldn't start back up last time but persistence paid off, ya-hoo!! Can't wait to see the 'ol gal back on the road.
Please keep this old girl on the road she's got such beautiful lines. It was fun to see her kick up her heals for a bit. God bless you and all you put your hand to.
15 minutes into the video: Me: I wonder if he's done proving his point? *continues to add oil and whatnot, and spraying the carb. Adds a jump box, still sprays the carb. Engine smokes out every passage (except echaust)* Dylan: Well, they also commented...
Well worth preserving and keeping original. Fun video to watch. New plugs and compression test again.
Thanks for keeping the faith and looking forward to seeing her run and drive again 😀
Just such an awesome ride Dylan, just something special about these 58's! Can't wait to see what you do with it, would be cool if you could save the original engine. Or spend some cash and drop in a cross ramd big block! Whatever you decide to do with it will be McCool!!!!!
keep the original engine!!!
Christine in disguise 🤩 loved it definitely wanna see this on the road
As others have noted, for the time you wasted fiddling around you could have pulled the cylinder head, the oil pan and popped the pistons out. Re-ringed the pistons, ridge-reamed the cylinders, broken the glaze on the cylinder walls, installed new rod bearings, and lapped the valves. Then the engine would be good for another 75,000 miles.
Using brake fluid was probably making it smoke more. And it's not healthy for you to breathe in that smoke. Can't wait to see what you do with it!
Love the Christine bit. Seems to be a possessed vehicle! LOL
Breathing in that smoke won't do anything to you, I believe you like Tesla cars.
I say leave the original engine in her and let her live on. She’s a beautiful car just the way she is. I don’t think everything needs a V8 swap…
Love the flat six. I have a spare sitting in my garage. Fully rebuilt just need to find a car to put it in.
Well ,one thing is for Certain, Rislones ring seal glue actually worked!. Smokey Yunick used to advertise the stuff .And the bubbles are just oil in the threads. You see those bubbles a lot of side valve engines with a few years age on them .And it sounds like all six were firing fine ,just a bit advanced.
You need to get your hearing checked... it is definitely NOT fine! You're killing me Smalls!! 👎🏻
- Max Giganteum
A $24 bore scope camera will tell all you need to know "before" talking it apart !
Zak your ✅️ right I would have pulled the engine...and rebuild it.
The spark plug hole is between the valves and the cylinder. The oil will run towards the cylinder and the valve. If a valve is open it will run into the manifold. On those flatheads I always used an oil squirt can with a small hose. Stick the hose in the hole pointed towards the cylinder and give it a couple squits. No matter how you do it, when you go to start it you will have to take the plugs out a couple of times to clean off the oil. They may fire once or twice then foul. Clean and repeat. But I guess using starting fluid to wash the oil off the plugs is easier than pulling them out to clean. Just hard on the starter .
I put 1-3oz of sea foam with an ounce of marvel together to free the rings in 2 cylinders each overnight. I do that when some people I know are having oil consumption to see if the rings loosen out and then the rest of the marvel goes in the crank to clean up inside before an oil change.
You need to keep it with the stock engine
i have a 1941 dodge WC12 army truck someone swapped a 251 into. the thing is CLAPPED OUT. i took the top end apart and the cylinder out of round and taper is insane, (like .011" taper )and the engine only has about 50psi compression, yet it runs! i dont know how, but it does. im currently building a Chrysler 265 Spitfire for it
oh, crap onna cracker! i 'bout fell out of my chair when you told that car to "show me". wowzers! that's a lot of blow by to be blowing smoke out the dipstick tube. i have never seen one that bad. i like how the smoke has a red tinge to it, "it's a mystery" as to why. the crush washer on #1 plug may be really crushed, that could be the reason for the leak. i'd just hone the cylinders, lap the valves, a new set of rings and bearings to freshen it up, rebuild the carb, give it a complete tune up and run it as is. i know it sounds like a lot of work, but it's really just a weekend project if you have the parts before you start, and don't find any surprises. i've done it a few times on fix and flips.
Definitely overhaul the 6! You rarely see them. This engine is just tired, needs a rebuild.
Dylan, The movie Christine is one of my son's favorite movie. I like it too! We think you should make a Christine clone out this old girl! I been to a lot of car shows, but haven't seen one personally. I know they're out there, but one more would be so cool! I mean McCool 😎
You are driving every old school mechanic nuts.
Gas with a bit of 2stroke oil is better than spraying starter fluid
First family car I remember was a '59 Plymouth wagon with a 390 Golden Commando engine. Pops got stopped "blowing out the carbon" at 110 on the highway once. Glad he got out of the ticket. Yea - slap a 318 or 360 in it and drive it!
440 duel quad would be awesome in that car!!!
A great High Power Exhaugst Fan would be great in the Shop with Remote Control!
Great video. Hey Dylan. Piston rings are so easy to do on the flathead six. Can be done without removing engine. I did rings in my 51 Cranbrook with the engine in the car. I put an offenhauser dual carb intake and cast iron Fenton headers . Please save the six. I love mine.
When he said "showme" I died laughing.
Man, the first 20 minutes of this video were painful! I was so relieved when it finally started and ran, but I think it’s safe to say that that poor old 6-banger has seen better days. I can’t believe how sweet the body is… I haven’t seen many “survivor” type Chryslers of that era, but the few that I have seen were always rotted badly, especially around the headlights and rear wheel openings. This car is in amazing shape! So, sure… drop a 225 slant six, a 340, or even a big-block in it. A manual transmission would make for the ultimate sleeper!
I think you said it has not had an oil change yet. If so, it sure deserves one now. I definitely would like to see this engine saved. But this is a good car to have an old hemi. Humphrey Bogart drove a ‘36 or ‘37 Plymouth in one of his movies. I’ve seen one or two of these on Craigslist without it’s engine.
You have earned her trust enough for her to "show you."
I hope you know how important it is to rebuild the 230.
Haven't watched the video yet, it's on my list for tonight. But I can already tell you one thing from the thumbnail alone... It's not safe to resurrect Christine!! 😱🚑🚑
Definitely want to see this roadstored.
Great video rebuild that flat head with all the speed equipment balanced and blue printed. Not another v 8 drop it in been there done that.
cant wait to see much more from the 58 plymouth
You should install a whole house venting system in your shop.
From that show me line, it sounds like you're gonna make her a Christine, and I absolutely love that movie. DONT DO IT!!! There are too many Christine's, keep her in her original paint color, (or even paint, it's still on pretty good shape) I believe she is great in her current color.
definitely, blow-by from the piston rings being stuck to the piston. it may well have fired up b4 due to crap/rust in the bores collecting round the edge of the piston, creating compression, but after a bit of running the crap was washed down the bores leaving with you no or low compression. if u can get it to start and run, it might free up the piston rings, by heat and use, if not then pistons out, a new set of rings a good clean, should do it.
If she was a Fury the Christine bit might have worked.
after you put oil in the cylinders, you have to let it sit for a bit, then you shoot the oil out with the starter(dont put in spark plugs until cylinders are no longer filled to the brim with oil, because if you put them in BEFORE you remove the oil, you will foul the plugs).
That's Holy Smoke when she started up.🤣
Either will dry out the cylinder, If your trying to bring back the piston ring's use mixed gas! Love your video's!
I bet the first start up the rings were crudy enough they helped compression in the motor and it ran just long enough ro knock the crud loose but not long enough for the rings to break loose like it needed which would explain the sudden loss of compression maybe?
Dylan I was so scared for your life with all thy starting fluid that the moment it started I even jumped out my seat and cheered.
Hey Dylan, I have the 1960 Belvedere Sedan. My dad bought it new. 318 Polysphere.
Man I really want a 58 plymouth hope to see more videos
Throw a little Bon Ami cleanser down the carb at idle to help the rings reseat themselves.
Love the Christine reference being a fan of old horror movies and of cars it was one of my favorites thought it looked like Christine and then you said savoy and that threw me off because I thought Christine was a fury but I also know old Mopar had 14 different names for the same car.
Dude I love your videos, when you tried the first method I could absolutely not stop laughing. Don't stop bein you brother.
I like to see it cuz I like that color and it would be cool to have have it running right and looking cool
Omg it's Christine, you have to paint red that car. Is a invesment. I like that model of car, is very elegant.
Good luck with the car.
If you do need to pull the engine, rebuild it and put it back in, those old 6 cylinders were really cool
Definitely get this car running!
I think you should fix the flathead. i managed to find all the parts i needed for my 1958 rambler, and that engine is far more obscure than that plymouth.
Yes! A V8 swap would be nice 😁 but maybe it's too of a common route.
How about keeping it Straight-6, but with a modern engine like a 1JZ/2JZ (N/A) or an M54B30 from a junkyard? That would be interesting and maybe unique ✌️
Good power with modern features.
Anyway, I'm glad that car is getting saved!
No.
Just use the bulletproof flathead 6 it has.
Cool ride . clean it up good ,cool wheels and tires and exhaust.
Compressiontest with wide open throttle, also sounds like with all the oil in the cylinder it hydrolocked a bit.
Nice throw back to Christine!
It reminds me of my early childhood. We had a 56 model that was black.
Put some hi temp hvac teflon tape on the spark plug threads (as a test), at worst you can heli coil them and it my raise the compression.
I've ended up learning not to use brake clean to start off of by lighting the engine bay of a pickup on fire!
Id love to see a 426 hemi i dont know why just thats whats speaks to me with this car
Starting fluid is to be used sparingly. It even says so on the can. Also says may cause top end damage. Spray gasoline in the carburator.
If the rings aren’t seating pour some bon ami down the carburetor once you get it running it’ll help them to seat.
NICE New Shop! But Why Not More Lifts, Than Just one? So that More than one car/truck at a time could be up on The Rack?!
If you are going to replace the engine,I'd do a 318 but you may have to see what v8 will hook up to that transmission
I get the comments about trying to make the old engine run, but realistically that big car is probably underpowered with it anyway. If your goal is to cruise with it, one thing I've learned from watching all of the TH-cam community on power tour - you will be happier with reliable v-8 power and an overdrive transmission.
Don't cross the streams. If we see a Plymouth car I want it to have a Mopar drive train.
I'd keep my eyes peeled for a wrecked Ram truck to donate a gen 3 hemi and trans.
I'd like to have half the room you have in your shop!
I love old iron and would love to see this one cruise!
Don’t use the spray starter fluid. Use mixed gas with a little two stroke oil so you don’t wash your rings
Put a turbo or two on that 6 cylinder, would be a pretty cool restomod build