I liked it, now that comes with some caveats. I love defenders of the last stand that its based on. Also, i only got the demo box that has 1 archvillain and 1 scenario, so its not enough to fully judge the final game. But for a introduction mode, it seemed good to me
Sentinels is probably my most played game, even though it's incredibly fiddly and other games have similar mechanisms that are smoother. There's just something about being a hero on a team where everyone is incredibly unique in what they do. Plus, when you look past the numbers and mechanisms, and envision the actual attacks being made by the heroes, villain and environment, the experience feels more thematic and immersive. I honestly have hundreds of plays on this as well. Glad you did this video! PS, Part of the big reason I play Sentinels and why it's my most played game is the community made content. Specifically The Cauldron and various balance changes haha.
It's not Marvel or DC, but I like how it takes established superhero archetypes from both and puts its own spin on them. Legacy is Superman, Tachyon is Flash, Wraith is Batman, etc. Bunker is basically Iron Man. Absolute Zero is basically Mr. Freeze but a hero. Ra is basically Thor but with Egyptian mythology and sun powers. And so on.
My favorite game! I have played hundreds, if not thousands of games. FYI, starting hand is four cards, not five. Another great review. As always, I love your reviews.
One of my all time fav gaming experiences is the MMO City of Heroes. I love creating new and fun heroes. But DC and Marvel just suck all the oxygen out of the genre
Because they are a duopoly that control super heroes and very little else gets to shine. I don't hate them, i just like seeing more than 2 creators in a field.
I went in with a secondhand copy and picked up some extra decks cheaply. However after a few plays with one of our kids we just found the upkeep and calculation totally got in the way of the fun. We flipped the whole lot at our local group auction. The original heroes and villains are great but we have found that Marvel Champions just plays smoother with little upkeep. I think there is something to be said for not grinding a superhero game to a halt with maths and complicated stacked effects.
@@3MBG wow whoot?! I can't stop gushing about how thematic each MC character feels. Of course I never played SOTM so I don't know if SOTM does it *even better*.
Well, in Sentinels half your deck won't be generic cards. They are all prebuilt, but they are all character specific. Which means some characters like Nightmist or the Agent Adept legitimately work totally different to others.
How much have i played Sentinels? Far far too much. On the app I just finished the challenge of defeating all the villains, from every expansion on Advanced. Considering if trying to defeat them on expert would do my head in. So, i'd say several hundreds of games. In person games though, probably only about 10. And that's because the app is so much easier for soloing.
The app was weird. It made some things very easy but others were a nightmare and could take ages to resolve. I play Matriarch (IIRC - crow lady) with Unity and got the redirect bot in play (Stealth bot?). Live you could see it would absorb all the damage from the birds but the app took ages to have each point of damage redirected then cancelled! I feel there was a sweet spot with the villains too. The very early one had effects that were too gross to really be fun, like Aurora, while the last ones were too fiddly with chains of triggers. The mini villains where you play one per player were a huge chore in live solo too but ideal in coop. All told it's a favourite of mine. Freedom 5 looked a bit too much like Pandemic to excite me during the KS.
Yeah, there are some chain effects where the PC version wants to show everything instead of just going "wait, thats no damage at all" Not a fan of the 3 on 3 team mode, or Oblivean modes
@@3MBG The Vengeance expansion wasn't well enough balanced, in my opinion. The team villains that came out with the Villains expansion did a better job of making the team villain mode enjoyable. Unfortunately, I'm with you on OblivAeon, though I think that if I learned the scions, the mission/rewards, and the cards in the OblivAeon, Scion, and Aeon decks well enough than I would know enough to enjoy the epic boss battle rather than being overwhelmed by complexity.
@@3MBG for me (and I am in no way an expert) oblivaeon is mainly about 3 things... 1) avoiding Oblivaeon at all costs by staying in the other enviro until you can take out his shield and make him flip forms, while 2) doing as many mission objectives and piling up rewards as fast as each character can (rewards are insanely powerful), and staying alive by 3), mitigating damage en masse at the right time (ie. haka, tacheon, dr medico, legacy, and the reward “brothers sacrifice”). These can make or break your game. Oh, and then there’s also some luck needed. While being in the other environment I have found it is important to take out the aeon men as they give Oblivaeon boosts when HE kills them, and take out the scions (who all require a different strategy to do so). I have lost more than won, but man i LOVE the mission objective mechanic (that should be in the regular game). Plus it is super rewarding to jump back to Oblivaeon’s environment and dish him 100 damage in a round. I haven’t played it enough to know what combos work so I have just been running mostly damage mitigation heroes I mentioned above, and use argent adept for extra plays and boosts. Took 5 hours for my first victory. But it was epic! Hope you can find time for yours. :)
Thanks for the video. Might explore the app version rather than buying the physical. Currently play Marvel Champion and Legendary so will be interested to see the difference. Saw Freedom Five. Very keen to see what that brings to the table. Great work!
I like the physical cards because of the social aspect and I get tired of looking at a screen, but the app is awesome and I have played it a ton on the iPad. Definitely worth it, even just to try out. Save your money for reviews of the definitive edition which should be released soon. I’m curious how you think sentinels compares to champions....
Thanks for the video. You mention Haka at 3:29 but I am not certain of the context. Have you found an issue with the Haka character? Perhaps I haven't played it enough to know. I will wait and hope for your reply. Cheers.
Haka is a the Maori character in Sentinels. He's also "the savage', "punishes the weak" and has a back story that is really bizarre if you know anything about Maori culture. I'm trying to act as a go between with some Maori designers and the designer of Sentinels to make him less inaccurate and weird in later editions. It's hard to describe, but he's just "not right".
One of my favorite games of all time! I actually clocked over 300 hours on the digital version before deciding to buy the whole damn collection! It's THAT good!
I freaking love this game. I played it the week it came out and was severely hooked ever since lol. Although I'm embarrassed to admit I still haven't played Oblivaeon^^"
Thank you that was a great intro into the game, I am interested. At the 1.00 minute mark could I hear a leaf blower in the background or was that your pc cooler fan throttling up? Game on!
I agree on the Marvel DC point but the fiddly trickle of damage, healing, modifier, etc just felt too much like a series of arithmetic. As a coop it really doesn’t sing for me, very alpha gamey. As a solo app experience I could imagine that sanding down these negatives for me though 🙂
Alpha gaming is a social problem. We never have alpha gaming issues with it. Marvel Champions i on our test table at the moment, one reason i covered Sentinels now
@@3MBG ah sorry, you’re quite right I must be using the term to mean something different. I suppose there’s Alpha Gaming “You will do this on your turn.” and then there’s contributing on everyone’s turn. In theory there’s nothing wrong with the latter, as that’s the nature of coops, and in my favourite coops (that don’t have some sort of key information heavily obfuscated to prevent exactly this) such as Spirit Island you will need everyone’s input as there’s plenty of puzzle to go round. Also the simultaneous nature of turns means you have your own things to look at before you can think about others. In regular turn based coops, such as SotM, Pandemic, Ghost Stories (which I really enjoy) your turn can have a suggestion proffered by someone else at the table and then you do that. I don’t have an issue with that on my go, but I know there are folks who find others providing The Answer on their turns to rob them of agency. Lol this is the sort of point that explaining in person would be so much easier than a TH-cam comment - hopefully something I’ve said made sense 😆
Curious if you’ve tried the definitive edition at this point? I think it streamlines things a lot that makes it a bit less fiddly (but is still definitely the same game).
I hear this game is fiddly AF but I wonder how complex the rules are, especially because there is a digital app. Games whose roles are complex make bad candidates for just going straight to digital and not picking up the physical version first.
Core rules are reasonably simple, its all the card play that is where it gets fiddly, when you have multiple effects targeting multiple things at once.
Some people might not agree, but I find the art extremely off-putting. I know the new edition is being improved, but even that still looks really amateurish to me.
And yes, I have played Freedom Five even thought it is not out.
You should do sons of anarchy or fury of Dracula
Unlikely to do the first, never watched the show. I sold my copy of fury just before i started the channel.
I liked it, now that comes with some caveats. I love defenders of the last stand that its based on. Also, i only got the demo box that has 1 archvillain and 1 scenario, so its not enough to fully judge the final game. But for a introduction mode, it seemed good to me
Is 200 for entire collection 1st edition all sleeved good deal?
The theme song for this game is fricken fire
Sentinels is probably my most played game, even though it's incredibly fiddly and other games have similar mechanisms that are smoother. There's just something about being a hero on a team where everyone is incredibly unique in what they do. Plus, when you look past the numbers and mechanisms, and envision the actual attacks being made by the heroes, villain and environment, the experience feels more thematic and immersive. I honestly have hundreds of plays on this as well. Glad you did this video!
PS, Part of the big reason I play Sentinels and why it's my most played game is the community made content. Specifically The Cauldron and various balance changes haha.
Yeah, some of the community content is bonkers good
What are some examples of "other games" that are smoother?
Marvel Champions i'd guess
@@3MBG Thanks, this game sounds great but I'll give Marvel a look as well. Keep up the great content man
It's not Marvel or DC, but I like how it takes established superhero archetypes from both and puts its own spin on them. Legacy is Superman, Tachyon is Flash, Wraith is Batman, etc. Bunker is basically Iron Man. Absolute Zero is basically Mr. Freeze but a hero. Ra is basically Thor but with Egyptian mythology and sun powers. And so on.
Yep. As my main exposure to super heroes was the city of heroes MMO, i dig it.
Literally just got into this- picked up the base box and the rook city/infernal relics expansion over the last few weeks. What an awesome game!
My favorite game! I have played hundreds, if not thousands of games. FYI, starting hand is four cards, not five. Another great review. As always, I love your reviews.
Ha, so it is. I play the app so much i barely pay attention to setup
My favorite game. Thanks for the video!
"I love that this isn't Marvel or DC." Right? So refreshing!
One of my all time fav gaming experiences is the MMO City of Heroes. I love creating new and fun heroes. But DC and Marvel just suck all the oxygen out of the genre
Because they are a duopoly that control super heroes and very little else gets to shine. I don't hate them, i just like seeing more than 2 creators in a field.
I love this game. It is right under Spirit Island for me which is my #1 game. Good job Greater Than Games.
I am so pleased you did a video on this.
Amazing video, thank you for posting!
I went in with a secondhand copy and picked up some extra decks cheaply. However after a few plays with one of our kids we just found the upkeep and calculation totally got in the way of the fun. We flipped the whole lot at our local group auction.
The original heroes and villains are great but we have found that Marvel Champions just plays smoother with little upkeep. I think there is something to be said for not grinding a superhero game to a halt with maths and complicated stacked effects.
Amen dude, very similar experience. Agreed on the fluidity on MC by comparison 👍
Marvel is on our test table. So far though, the characters are way less characterful than Sentinels, which is something i love about sents
@@3MBG wow whoot?! I can't stop gushing about how thematic each MC character feels. Of course I never played SOTM so I don't know if SOTM does it *even better*.
Well, in Sentinels half your deck won't be generic cards. They are all prebuilt, but they are all character specific. Which means some characters like Nightmist or the Agent Adept legitimately work totally different to others.
Are you aware they are about to release a Definitive edition this year for the 10th year anniversary?
Check it out.
Yep, one reason i put this vid out now. The rules will be the same.
Sentinels of the Multiverse is my absolute favourite boardgame, and I love playing with custom decks made by the fans
Some of those i've seen look so good.
How much have i played Sentinels? Far far too much. On the app I just finished the challenge of defeating all the villains, from every expansion on Advanced. Considering if trying to defeat them on expert would do my head in. So, i'd say several hundreds of games. In person games though, probably only about 10. And that's because the app is so much easier for soloing.
The app was weird. It made some things very easy but others were a nightmare and could take ages to resolve. I play Matriarch (IIRC - crow lady) with Unity and got the redirect bot in play (Stealth bot?). Live you could see it would absorb all the damage from the birds but the app took ages to have each point of damage redirected then cancelled!
I feel there was a sweet spot with the villains too. The very early one had effects that were too gross to really be fun, like Aurora, while the last ones were too fiddly with chains of triggers. The mini villains where you play one per player were a huge chore in live solo too but ideal in coop. All told it's a favourite of mine.
Freedom 5 looked a bit too much like Pandemic to excite me during the KS.
Yeah, there are some chain effects where the PC version wants to show everything instead of just going "wait, thats no damage at all"
Not a fan of the 3 on 3 team mode, or Oblivean modes
@@3MBG The Vengeance expansion wasn't well enough balanced, in my opinion. The team villains that came out with the Villains expansion did a better job of making the team villain mode enjoyable. Unfortunately, I'm with you on OblivAeon, though I think that if I learned the scions, the mission/rewards, and the cards in the OblivAeon, Scion, and Aeon decks well enough than I would know enough to enjoy the epic boss battle rather than being overwhelmed by complexity.
I've never finished an Oblievean game, i just get overwhelmed and cant quite get it.
@@3MBG for me (and I am in no way an expert) oblivaeon is mainly about 3 things... 1) avoiding Oblivaeon at all costs by staying in the other enviro until you can take out his shield and make him flip forms, while 2) doing as many mission objectives and piling up rewards as fast as each character can (rewards are insanely powerful), and staying alive by 3), mitigating damage en masse at the right time (ie. haka, tacheon, dr medico, legacy, and the reward “brothers sacrifice”). These can make or break your game. Oh, and then there’s also some luck needed. While being in the other environment I have found it is important to take out the aeon men as they give Oblivaeon boosts when HE kills them, and take out the scions (who all require a different strategy to do so). I have lost more than won, but man i LOVE the mission objective mechanic (that should be in the regular game). Plus it is super rewarding to jump back to Oblivaeon’s environment and dish him 100 damage in a round. I haven’t played it enough to know what combos work so I have just been running mostly damage mitigation heroes I mentioned above, and use argent adept for extra plays and boosts. Took 5 hours for my first victory. But it was epic! Hope you can find time for yours. :)
Thanks for the video. Might explore the app version rather than buying the physical. Currently play Marvel Champion and Legendary so will be interested to see the difference. Saw Freedom Five. Very keen to see what that brings to the table. Great work!
There are occassional sales from Handelabra (who made the app) for the core game for as little as $.99
I've played Legendary for years but love this game app for better solo plays
I like the physical cards because of the social aspect and I get tired of looking at a screen, but the app is awesome and I have played it a ton on the iPad. Definitely worth it, even just to try out. Save your money for reviews of the definitive edition which should be released soon. I’m curious how you think sentinels compares to champions....
very tiny correction, its a hand of four cards to start with not five
Yeah, my bad on that. 5 is so common and i play the app 99% of the time and didnt think
Thanks for the video. You mention Haka at 3:29 but I am not certain of the context. Have you found an issue with the Haka character? Perhaps I haven't played it enough to know. I will wait and hope for your reply. Cheers.
Haka is a the Maori character in Sentinels. He's also "the savage', "punishes the weak" and has a back story that is really bizarre if you know anything about Maori culture. I'm trying to act as a go between with some Maori designers and the designer of Sentinels to make him less inaccurate and weird in later editions. It's hard to describe, but he's just "not right".
Thanks for explaining.
One of my favorite games of all time! I actually clocked over 300 hours on the digital version before deciding to buy the whole damn collection! It's THAT good!
I just finished the "defeat all villains on advanced" achievement. Its a great app
I freaking love this game. I played it the week it came out and was severely hooked ever since lol. Although I'm embarrassed to admit I still haven't played Oblivaeon^^"
Oblivaeon is crazy, ive not finished a game, its so overwhelming
Thank you that was a great intro into the game, I am interested. At the 1.00 minute mark could I hear a leaf blower in the background or was that your pc cooler fan throttling up? Game on!
Probably the PC fan. It's the middle of summer here
I agree on the Marvel DC point but the fiddly trickle of damage, healing, modifier, etc just felt too much like a series of arithmetic. As a coop it really doesn’t sing for me, very alpha gamey. As a solo app experience I could imagine that sanding down these negatives for me though 🙂
Alpha gaming is a social problem. We never have alpha gaming issues with it. Marvel Champions i on our test table at the moment, one reason i covered Sentinels now
@@3MBG ah sorry, you’re quite right I must be using the term to mean something different. I suppose there’s Alpha Gaming “You will do this on your turn.” and then there’s contributing on everyone’s turn.
In theory there’s nothing wrong with the latter, as that’s the nature of coops, and in my favourite coops (that don’t have some sort of key information heavily obfuscated to prevent exactly this) such as Spirit Island you will need everyone’s input as there’s plenty of puzzle to go round. Also the simultaneous nature of turns means you have your own things to look at before you can think about others.
In regular turn based coops, such as SotM, Pandemic, Ghost Stories (which I really enjoy) your turn can have a suggestion proffered by someone else at the table and then you do that. I don’t have an issue with that on my go, but I know there are folks who find others providing The Answer on their turns to rob them of agency.
Lol this is the sort of point that explaining in person would be so much easier than a TH-cam comment - hopefully something I’ve said made sense 😆
Did you play the new Definitive edition? If yes, what are your thoughts on it?
Not yet. I already owned the original and a few expansions so didn't back it
Curious if you’ve tried the definitive edition at this point? I think it streamlines things a lot that makes it a bit less fiddly (but is still definitely the same game).
I have not, i have a regular on the channel discord who swears by it though. I'm gonna wait until the digital version arrives and try it there
you draw four cards in the beginning not five
Yep. Perils of playing so many draw 5 games and playing on the app where that is all managed.
I hear this game is fiddly AF but I wonder how complex the rules are, especially because there is a digital app.
Games whose roles are complex make bad candidates for just going straight to digital and not picking up the physical version first.
Core rules are reasonably simple, its all the card play that is where it gets fiddly, when you have multiple effects targeting multiple things at once.
Some people might not agree, but I find the art extremely off-putting. I know the new edition is being improved, but even that still looks really amateurish to me.
See, i really don't like the new editions style at all. Art, as always, is super subjective
Someone is selling complete 1st edition all sleeved for 200. Good deal?
I think so? I assume the whole first ed originally sold for a lot more. But that is a HEAP of expansions