Hi Chris. I'm seeing more and more of these sailing channels showing people have bought these older boats and you are so right, there seems to be this never ending slew of problem after problem that arises all over the boats requiring constant fixing. Just when they think all is now good, up comes another major problem. Engines, Rigging, rotten hulls and bulkheads, compression posts, bad fiber glass, bad aluminum and other metal fittings in places that just aren't easily visible. Take a look at the Sailing Beau and Brandy latest, or the Sailing GBU and the Wildlings people I know it must be getting expensive for them all but I would think the worst part would be the constant nagging worry about what is going to break next. How can they ever go sailing without that constant worry? That's not the life for me. Thanks for showing all the reasons to try and get a newer well maintained boat if possible. I know not everyone can afford one but it looks like they are either going to pay on the front end or a never ending outlay after they own it. Actually the other thing I noticed is that they seem to have to carry around 10 times more tools be ready for all these problems.
I would like to have both worlds: newer boat indeed (max 5y old) AND a premium brand, like Southerly, HR, Sweden Yachts and the likes. Just look at the ripoff those orcas did around the rudder posts, and the brands whi h they sunk. It is always: “you get what you pay for”. Sorry, there are no short cuts.
I love the dual canted the rudders. No more helm load up when the boat is heeled over. Like it will be most of the time. About time that a manufacturer did this.
I got into sailing just recently (took my ASA 101 the other week) and it seriously had me considering being a live aboard sailor, even the wife isnt opposed to it. I came up with a plan to gather some knowledge and skills sailing around the Caribbean for a bit before making the first trans Atlantic journey to the Mediterranean. I fell in love with Beneteau looking at them in the Marina and I was considering the 40.1 or the 46.1 which I would want to kit out with solar panels and a water maker, so I could save myself some slip fees, and hooking up Starlink so I could have permanent internet connection.
All things are eventually made by the ‘law of value for a given amount of money’. Meaning that the value should go up if a higher investment is needed; no marketing can sustain a relative higher price for a certain good. Other way of saying is: you get what you pay for. Now ask yourself the question: why are Scandinavian yachts like Sweden Yachts, Arcona, X-Yachts or HRs 2-2,5 times more expensive than the comparable Beneteaus/Jeanneaus/Hanzes? Is it just perception? Marketing? Or is it maybe that they use better build materials, better resins, better hull constructions (like SS frames and the likes)? More weight in the keel with lead (of course). Bottom line is: NO marketing or ‘quality perception’ could ever sustain those price gaps. That all said: YES, you can safely sale oceans with Beneteaus, Jeaneaus or even Hanzes. They are being specced out by the (minimal) requirements of CE. But in those very rare occasions, you probably would have had something a way better equipped than just those minimal requirements.
Great video. I really enjoyed the Beneteau detail. I have really preferred the look of Jeaneau, but I think you have changed my mind with these Oceanis videos.
As always Chris, another great video. I just love the Beneteau line of sailboats. Still looking for that best option for me, price is the big thing for now.😃😃😃
Amazing video, thank you. Though most of them is way out of my budget 😢, it is crazy not to consider the 38 or 35 for a cruising couple instead of an old 42 that will need repairs and outfitted for ocean crossing. It was highly educational.
Not only are the new Oceanis boats longer at the water line, the chine is almost straight up and down as is the bow and stern below the water line. Way more space compared to the old "deep keel" designs.
That 46.1 1st has the space of a cat, but with half the price tag. The only negative for me is the 7’ draft, especially if sailing the Bahamas. But, add a dinghy davit and shallow areas become more doable; lots of options on these boats, like a swinging keel. Just pick the model that’s right for the individual, as you say.
While water line is important like any single number on a sailboat it only tells part of the story. Overall hull shape determines the very relevant dynamic water line length. If I was caught out in a storm I know which boat I'd rather be on. Completely unprotected twin rudders seem like the ultimate crab pot grabber at best and a likely point of impact/damage/water ingress. Designs are always tradeoffs not simply one is better than the other. The 46.1 seems well designed for cruising the med and siting at anchor while the more stout & heavier PS is designed to handle the unexpected in remote places around the world. Cutter rig has some big wins not mentioned, most notably when shortening sail is moves the center of effort closer to the mast/center of resistance. Finally I see the big weakness of the modern glued in grid based designs is not being able to withstand a hard underwater impact at anywhere near hull speed as seen by the multiple rebuilds of boat with keel/structural grid failures. One might expect significant cosmetic damage from such an impact but the keel, grid & hull shouldn't be closed to being compromised by a single impact. The rest are design/performance/safety/comfort choices - pick your flavor for your needs - but for extended cruising there's a very good reason why a 30yr old PS is still going for $250k.
The design of this boats is old old european boatbulding for coast boats. Because of many technik and radar etc. they now build for bluewater in the tropics... because u see storms before they can hit u.
Hey Mr. Cousteau could you in your future video's ad metric (m) (l)( kg) for people who use this logic system so we don't have to look it up thx . Keep up the good work
I'm retiring in five years and planning to sell all and go liveaboard... Hopefully the first 53 or oceanis 54 will be availabe vaguely affordable second hand by then... Please include those next time...
Beautiful! Do Beneteau make polo shirts? I can afford a shirt almost certainly. A question about those beautiful Grey and Azure hull colours do they make the boat Hot? Heard a gut with a blue hulled Oyster 485 say never get a blue hulled boat as they are steamy as inside.
That stock photo of 30.1 looks like it's heeling a lot. Are the newer small designs equipped with the same features as the larger ones that are purported to heel less? Thanks for another great vid!
Hi Chris. I'm seeing more and more of these sailing channels showing people have bought these older boats and you are so right, there seems to be this never ending slew of problem after problem that arises all over the boats requiring constant fixing. Just when they think all is now good, up comes another major problem. Engines, Rigging, rotten hulls and bulkheads, compression posts, bad fiber glass, bad aluminum and other metal fittings in places that just aren't easily visible. Take a look at the Sailing Beau and Brandy latest, or the Sailing GBU and the Wildlings people I know it must be getting expensive for them all but I would think the worst part would be the constant nagging worry about what is going to break next. How can they ever go sailing without that constant worry? That's not the life for me. Thanks for showing all the reasons to try and get a newer well maintained boat if possible. I know not everyone can afford one but it looks like they are either going to pay on the front end or a never ending outlay after they own it. Actually the other thing I noticed is that they seem to have to carry around 10 times more tools be ready for all these problems.
You will pay either way, best to pay up front
I would like to have both worlds: newer boat indeed (max 5y old) AND a premium brand, like Southerly, HR, Sweden Yachts and the likes. Just look at the ripoff those orcas did around the rudder posts, and the brands whi h they sunk. It is always: “you get what you pay for”. Sorry, there are no short cuts.
Just a Stunning video, love the almost no jungle gym lines, very clean look. Thanks, Chris
I love the dual canted the rudders. No more helm load up when the boat is heeled over. Like it will be most of the time. About time that a manufacturer did this.
I'm now a fan of the 46.1, fast, stable and it's roomy. A beautiful boat by any definition.
Everything one could want...
46.1 Feels like a charter boat. If you need that big and that price, you might want to look at Catamaran.
Fantastic video. Just found this video. I arrived at this conclusion myself about a month ago.
I got into sailing just recently (took my ASA 101 the other week) and it seriously had me considering being a live aboard sailor, even the wife isnt opposed to it.
I came up with a plan to gather some knowledge and skills sailing around the Caribbean for a bit before making the first trans Atlantic journey to the Mediterranean. I fell in love with Beneteau looking at them in the Marina and I was considering the 40.1 or the 46.1 which I would want to kit out with solar panels and a water maker, so I could save myself some slip fees, and hooking up Starlink so I could have permanent internet connection.
38.1 better cost effective option long term
All things are eventually made by the ‘law of value for a given amount of money’. Meaning that the value should go up if a higher investment is needed; no marketing can sustain a relative higher price for a certain good.
Other way of saying is: you get what you pay for.
Now ask yourself the question: why are Scandinavian yachts like Sweden Yachts, Arcona, X-Yachts or HRs 2-2,5 times more expensive than the comparable Beneteaus/Jeanneaus/Hanzes? Is it just perception? Marketing? Or is it maybe that they use better build materials, better resins, better hull constructions (like SS frames and the likes)? More weight in the keel with lead (of course). Bottom line is: NO marketing or ‘quality perception’ could ever sustain those price gaps.
That all said: YES, you can safely sale oceans with Beneteaus, Jeaneaus or even Hanzes. They are being specced out by the (minimal) requirements of CE. But in those very rare occasions, you probably would have had something a way better equipped than just those minimal requirements.
Great video. I really enjoyed the Beneteau detail. I have really preferred the look of Jeaneau, but I think you have changed my mind with these Oceanis videos.
As always Chris, another great video. I just love the Beneteau line of sailboats. Still looking for that best option for me, price is the big thing for now.😃😃😃
Amazing video, thank you. Though most of them is way out of my budget 😢, it is crazy not to consider the 38 or 35 for a cruising couple instead of an old 42 that will need repairs and outfitted for ocean crossing.
It was highly educational.
Not only are the new Oceanis boats longer at the water line, the chine is almost straight up and down as is the bow and stern below the water line. Way more space compared to the old "deep keel" designs.
That 46.1 1st has the space of a cat, but with half the price tag. The only negative for me is the 7’ draft, especially if sailing the Bahamas. But, add a dinghy davit and shallow areas become more doable; lots of options on these boats, like a swinging keel. Just pick the model that’s right for the individual, as you say.
Comes in a shoal draft as well
30 years from now I'm going to buy one of these, 20 if the economy tanks!
Great series Chris!
While water line is important like any single number on a sailboat it only tells part of the story. Overall hull shape determines the very relevant dynamic water line length. If I was caught out in a storm I know which boat I'd rather be on. Completely unprotected twin rudders seem like the ultimate crab pot grabber at best and a likely point of impact/damage/water ingress. Designs are always tradeoffs not simply one is better than the other. The 46.1 seems well designed for cruising the med and siting at anchor while the more stout & heavier PS is designed to handle the unexpected in remote places around the world. Cutter rig has some big wins not mentioned, most notably when shortening sail is moves the center of effort closer to the mast/center of resistance. Finally I see the big weakness of the modern glued in grid based designs is not being able to withstand a hard underwater impact at anywhere near hull speed as seen by the multiple rebuilds of boat with keel/structural grid failures. One might expect significant cosmetic damage from such an impact but the keel, grid & hull shouldn't be closed to being compromised by a single impact. The rest are design/performance/safety/comfort choices - pick your flavor for your needs - but for extended cruising there's a very good reason why a 30yr old PS is still going for $250k.
Great compilation well done
Love the informercial voice 👌👍😂
Is this a demo promo vid that you are planning to send to Beneteau? Nice effort. Reckon you'll do well.
Nah, Beneteau doesn't return my emails so im out here jsut boosting their boats for free because i love them , I should for sure be getting paid
Another informative video. Thanks, FD
Beneteau’s models are drop dead gorgeous… and not just the sailboats!
The design of this boats is old old european boatbulding for coast boats. Because of many technik and radar etc. they now build for bluewater in the tropics... because u see storms before they can hit u.
great video Chris
Hey Mr. Cousteau could you in your future video's ad metric (m) (l)( kg) for people who use this logic system so we don't have to look it up thx . Keep up the good work
I'm retiring in five years and planning to sell all and go liveaboard... Hopefully the first 53 or oceanis 54 will be availabe vaguely affordable second hand by then... Please include those next time...
I only dream to have a beneteau and sailing to open ocean with my small family... Dreaming dreaming
I wonder why Beneteau lost the arch on the newest model of the 34.1 vs 35.1? Is it still an option?
I wish they didnt lost the arch
Beautiful! Do Beneteau make polo shirts? I can afford a shirt almost certainly. A question about those beautiful Grey and Azure hull colours do they make the boat Hot? Heard a gut with a blue hulled Oyster 485 say never get a blue hulled boat as they are steamy as inside.
That stock photo of 30.1 looks like it's heeling a lot. Are the newer small designs equipped with the same features as the larger ones that are purported to heel less? Thanks for another great vid!
Some of them however yes the smaller ones like the 30.1 will still heel as they are very light and lively vessels
bummer. thanks.
Man.. dreamboats..😊
On an unrelated note: what is that short clip of a shocked woman in a straw hat? LOL
Great video
30.1, thank u
Totally appreciate your videos and frequency. For Bahamas what draft is desirable??
Under 6 ideally
Anybody that speaks so highly of Beneteau is OK in my book.....
Why was the ocean is 62 covered?
What ?
@@ChasingLatitudes i apologize, i didnt type that right at all. I was wondering about the beneteau oceanis 62
Do X yachts