Rogue Lineage: Bad by Design
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- #roblox #roguelineage
it's a little bit funny how this review is about roblox but i'm not actually playing a roblox game within it
sorry for the hiatus, been very busy but hopefully this longer-than-usual review can make up for it; i gloss over the key features of the sleeper hit, rogue lineage and explain why a lot of its aspects haven't aged well (or maybe weren't good at all from the start) but also talk about what the game did well and how it carried onto the studio's following project (deepwoken).
next video will either be a quick review of swordburst 3 (ik i said something else in the video but the recording is a little old, wanted to push this out in jan but stuff happens) OR a dev log, not sure which to do so i might do a poll or something like that. hope this was satisfactory, again sorry for being gone but share if the video was good!
videos inside the video i told you to watch:
• The Difference Between...
• What Makes A Good Rogu...
rogue lineage:
www.roblox.com/games/30166616... - เกม
Never did I think I'd watch a video essay where the creator is unsure about every single topic they bring up
bro the whole time i was like this nigga is a perma y he making a documentary like hes a veteran
It's a gift
i don't think anyone has ever claimed that rogue was a super well designed game, sometimes less is more, rogue felt so real in a ways that no other game has manage to replicate it only makes sense that developers would try to replicate it flaws and all because clearly they did something right
i mean you just contradicted yourself in this statement LOL "nobody has claimed rogue was a super well designed game" "rogue felt so real in ways no other game has managed to replicate" i dunno sounds like the guy who made this video is just a hater
@@chrono3423 thats not at all a contradiction lol
you just complimented the game on a positive thing that no other game has been able to do according to your message but also claimed that nobody said it was well designed? yet the design of the game is something that was super real and unreplicable. thats very contradicting?? unless you meant that in a negative way??? i dont see how this ISNT a contradiction
@@chrono3423 Do you not understand nuance? lol i also didn't say " the design of the game is something that was super real and unreplicable"
the design of the game has been replicated lol, the vast realm exist whats unreplicatable is the feeling rogue gave us
@@chrono3423he means its not well designed in its polish-ness of the game for example not nearly as polished as deepwoken is. However in its essence and its ideas and fundamental gameplay its way more than it first seems and creates a sense that almost no roblox game out there has created. i feel like a perfect analogy for this is zelda botw vs totk. one game has way more features, is more polished and has everything from the first game and more, but people still seem to enjoy the first game and i think its more than something as pathetic as nostalgia though that plays a part
Rogues map is so small yet hard to access, thats what made the game feel like this huge RPG with heaps of content and things to explore when in retrospect the map was quite small. Not to mention the fact Monad gave you absolutely no information about the game made it way more enticing.
It was so bad, hated the game.
This shii is a walk climb simulator. Just for a bounty or sell trinkets across the map
like some other comment said, not many people claimed rogue lineague was a well designed game. its simply the only game that many people have ever played that constantly managed to make their heart beat at 200bpm every time they logged in. it was a magical era pre khei update and early khei as well. its obviously not the most well desgined but the concept is unrivaled in its hyper unforgiving hardcore aspects in combination with ultra rare exclusive items with no way to buy them besides finding them or risking wiping to a random trader.
Just run crock
good video
6:55 Deepwoken has added this and a lot of other "hand holding" features but the quest tracker is wonky/buggy (complete a quest but dont get the credit/it stays and you have to manually abandon it)
YOU ACTUALLY CAME BACK!!!! wow i was checking your channel again since i felt like rewatching one of my favorite youtubers and boom we get a new one haha, it's great to have you back man. i don't know if you're gonna stick around after this but no matter how long it takes i'll always watch your stuff man
bro's talking about rogue's bad game design with a bethesda game in the background ☠
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I thrive off of irony... just a peek into my twisted world...
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! ROGUE IS THE BESTEST GREATEST GAME EVER
real
were you there for prime rogue@@freshiegods
i was so wrong. rogueCHADS.... i kneel....
WE LOVE ROGUE LINEAGE
@@spiriteddefault rogue lineage is sharty culture doe thoughie
Just the yapping of a creature with a skill issue smh. (fung fact: the term "skill issue" was popularized by rouge lineage).
But yea kinda went downhill since khei tbh. Still though the sense of mystery and tension from the early experience has never been replicated for me, now I guess that everything has been figured out and nothing is super rare or impressive it's not the same. Have not played in years but still probably the game that has given me one of my best experiences.
Deepwoken is better in other aspects, but never gave the same feeling, feels more like a normal game, not a bad things per say though ig.
deepwoken litterally tells u what quest you have. it wasnt even added that recently it was more like a month ago breh
8:02
yes, yes it was
Rogue lineage's world is based on the prequel called "Rogue Survival" which was a closed access game more based on the roleplay parts of the world
for example (im recalling this off memory, take this with a grain of salt)
the trainers or most skills you could earn were deals made with actual players playing as lore characters that were given these roles (like the devs)
it was a very small community and never received attention because that part of the game was never released
then one of the devs had an idea to make rogue lineage, which would be a paid public release of what we know today
(also they removed sharks before releasing rogue lineage 💔)
6:51 honestly prefer the more soulsborne approach to quest giving, where you have to keep track yourself.
cool video, i agree with pretty much everything you said and yet i still play the game lol probably because of nostalgia. also good luck on that game your making hope it goes well
this video sucks and the guy who made it did not play rogue lineage or completely misses the point of it
he just talking to talk
literally
Facts
Lol what is "the point" of rogue lineage
Yes ebicdefender you truly are the rogue lineage decipher... you truly understand the holy "point" of rogue lineage
One of my favourite things to do in Rogue is just to create random hybrids and hope they worke. I found some decent ones (sk monk) and some that didnt work (sk necro), though now that I think about it I didn't find any that were TOO bad.
Great video man :D
rogue lineage GENUINELY was badly designed... but in a charming way. it somehow stayed alive way longer than it shouldve and became popular by mistake (according to the devs), ive seen so many references to rogue in other roblox games. the rogue community legit invented the term "skill issue" which spread everywhere. thats how influential it was! this is all despite its bad design, so when other devs try to replicate it they end up with the bad design but no charm, and their game flops. the vast realm has rereleased multiple times and is forgotten about immediately every single time, for example. deepwoken is comparatively more successful than rogue, yet i havent really seen many games trying to replicate it. the most ive seen is people adding parrying to their combat for no reason, but never anything about the progression like the talents and stuff; while on the other hand, multiple roblox RPGs add a class system, orderly and chaotic system, etc. all because of rogue. there was something they did very right, whether knowingly or unknowingly, but nobody will be able to make a game as influential simply by making a rogue lineage-inspired game. rogue was the first of its kind on roblox (and anywhere else for that matter). that might be the real reason for its success
i think the reason we see a lack of deepwoken clones is that deepwoken is a substantially harder system to re create for a single/ new developers
@@supremeleaderfrancisco9062 nah it's because deepwoken is boring as shit it's not like rogue man
the game was quite literally the most immersive shit i've ever played in my life
@@flappyflap2693 ur not wrong deep is boring as shit but its not because of the talent system/ stat system
also rogue has been confirmed by arch_mage (one of the main developers of rogue) to just have been a game for friends with no monitization at all untill one of the people on the dev team gave him the idea to publish to for paid access.
interesting trivia! Nice that it ended up blowing up like that though
You should check out Fantastic Frontier. It's a very underrated (In my opinion) Fantasty RPG.
Imagine that game getting an update
He's back!!
this the first time ive heard your voice and ive known you for like years
Where's the devlog at??
awesome video!!!!!
Why are you yapping so much about the quest, bro If you forgot about a quest, that's your issue. Deepwoken does have a quest system but it's just bad and not needed, no need to yap for 3 minutes about the quest log because you forgot and got annoyed, also spending 20 dollars! what! so predatory! and every single game on roblox is just slop content to sell stuff thats just a non issue, every game adds ways to make money and the best races in-game are free (also are u really crying about 5 dollars for entry in rogue-deepwoken, devs working 2-3 years in a game for a broke aah crying about the entry price of 5 dollars )
never understood why people don't just write down/screenshot the quest if they think they will forget it
Because i live on the streets... do you know that that 5$ can buy me a mcdonalds burger to survive for the week...
missed you dawg 😔
deepwoken has quests??
i've heard all of this before but not put in the exact way that I think about it
I've come to understand that Rouge is strictly a PvP game with very little emphasis on exploring, questing, or PvE. You progress, and then thats it. Now go kill others, especially the newly spawned players/slight progressed players. You might think otherwise if you're playing for the first time, all the wonder and excitement about being somewhere new or doing something new goes away eventually. Also forget even trying to play the game just by yourself, you will be hunted and ganked down by houses, especially if you manage to kill one of your pursuers. Also the game is very meta, despite there being like 12-16 Ultra Classes, you only ever see like the same 2 or so.
race was never an issue unless ur bad a good shinobi is beating a better race shinobi if ur better especially considering construct is still a top 5 race on most classes
and then ther's gaian.
@@uzikiz2201 gaian shinobi gets dicked when u know how to 5 m1 true snarv
Spiriteddefault: hating too much on RL by design
this video feels more like a cope rant than a video essay
the reason videos take so much is because they are rendering for a month
it's like dry aged meat, the longer the wait the better
why do you say "like" every 3rd syllable
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Woooh
92 likes to 50 comments yikes... dont take in if anyone one is hating you are allowed to have an opinion!
But id say theres something special about rogue i dont know how to describe the feeling i got when i first played the game. Every time someone attacked me i'd feel like i was having a heart attack. man i miss those good old days
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he is indeed yapping ruin....
felinor is the best race!
uhh i disgaree with the video cuz no offense but rrogue is one of a kind and cannot be replicated. deepwoken is the closest thing. no game feels as real as rogue if youve ganked and done everything the game has to offer. rogue is one of the best games out there sure it has its flaws but a game without flaws wouldnt be a game. all games have flaws. if u dont like pvp permadeath or arent good at it just say so. cant hate it just because you can get gripped as a freshie the game isnt supposed to be easy and thats what makes it unique how harsh it is. also you mentioned things that are "only supported by the playerbase" which i think is just wrong. every online game is supported by the playerbase. without a playerbase, a game dies and nobody plays it.. so what point are you even trying to make?? how is that an issue?? lol?
the issue i bring up is more like the fact that that difficulty to me seems a tad artificial in comparison to making some actual gameplay elements in the game actually challenging; for ex, in deep even if you're playing alone the world and its enemies still pose a threat to you, while in rogue if you're alone it feels almost barren and in many cases other players have a greater advantage than you simply from classmaxxing + racemaxxing because they're just farther ahead than you
It's like if i get onto WoW or something and i have to fight against a level 100 as a level 5 (idk never played wow)
Die hard rogue fan spotted: but seriously rogue is ASS. What you just said could apply to any game. I will agree that rogue has a special feeling about it but that doesn't not make it a poorly designed and made game
"B-b-but this pile of shit had value to me!!!!!!!!"
i keep getting confused between deepwoken and rogue lineage
Guys the game isnt mainstream design so it sucks!!!!! 😢😢😢😢
another banger by the single mf who shares my opinion on roblox rogue games ,im not saying theyre bad, on the contrary dead rogue games offer one of the greatest early game experience in all of gaming BUT this is achieved damn near completely by luck and the devs have no idea what therye doing, (before you tell me to "make a better game then" im making one in ue5 but im still learning the engine so chill)
also i have literally zero faith in your project but i want a good game to play
I don't have any faith either but when your expectations are zero you can only go up
@@spiriteddefault atleast it gonna be a game and not a get ganked by 5 max level players because endgame is filled with quests that require pvp simulator
10:10 Deepwoken can very well be compared to other MMORPG games and i'd even argue it better than some tripple A games, its way beyond roblox standards and compared to the likes of ESO, Warframe, BlackDesrt and New World for me its the best MMO ive played and i believe its due to the amazing balence between PVP and PVE while having so many ways to play causing for near infinite replayablity, Ps dont sleep on deep and i love your videos bro hope u make more
literally just put sekiro + darksouls main functions together (rolling and parrying), delete everything else related to that game and tada u got a "deepwoken-look-alike" deepwoken is bland as hell
@@flappyflap2693 not necessarily true
@@spiderapple5839 yes it is i don't know how anyone even enjoys playing deepwoken when all you do is wipe grind fight on repeat you don't even have to actually fight people on the main game too and even when you do it's usually inconvenient with a random mob or sea water being next to you since the islands are like between big and small (etris literally has water all over it)
@@flappyflap2693 literally all roguelike permadeath games
@@spiderapple5839 rogue doesn't have parrying nor s during roll and you don't need to do pve for the most optimal amount of exp
Rogue lineage :)
you don't seem very confident lol
and you don't seem very bright lol
trll
youre just bad and got filtered
and now my master plan is to make everyone hate the game... now yuo see