Nick, it's a total mess anyway you look at it. Thankfully we still can fish miles and miles of great delta water!! Wishing you and your family a healthy and prosperous new year!
Great talk. The biggest issue, and I don't see anyone working on fixing it, is there is no uniform policy and because of that no one will honer any one else's bands.and they wont' be free forever.
@@johnvangsoulatda329 you think preventing the spread of invasive species is free? lol… take a look at this comments section - the more people we have saying “the gubmint is messin up muh fishin’!! This is stooopid.” the more it costs to maintain our waterways. We only pay a few bucks every couple of years. Cry me a river (mussel-free, hopefully) river.
when the quagga stickers came out lake camanche was checking for them for a few months then gave up no more tags or inspections.this golden mussel situation was handled poorly some cowboy who had to have his limelight shut everything down with out thinking of the impact without inspecting the lakes launch ramp areas for the mussel if their anywhere they'll be at the ramps.the contamination sites theres 2 ?with car dealerships all over the state of california that have hotsy pressure washers that can deliver over 200 degrees temps its not hard to spray a boat lm sure they can be trained and probably would love the business.yup just 1 cowboy is all it takes all you have to do is think before you move but thats californias way
Complicated mess. Think everyone is just hoping for more information so they dont overreact or underreact. Just hoping at some point we can get to a multi lake tag system so as long as we avoid contaminated water we can launch at all california lakes.
Or simply just removing the decontamination tag on your boat at all delta launches so we could move between all uncontaminated water in the state and only have to worry about a wait or decontamination fee after delta use.
There are just way too many legislators and administrators who seemed to find ways to restrict and tax those of us who enjoy the outdoors. They know that there is no practical way to stop this “invasion“. 👏🏿👏🏿🎣
Waste of time doing all that stuff because they’re going to spread anyways. The water birds will spread them because their larvae is very tiny and will get in the birds feathers. One good thing to come from it is, the redear sunfish will get huge eating them. Drum and bluecat eat them also. Lake Havasu pumps out world record class redear because of quagga mussels. Redear are the hardest fighting bream I’ve ever caught and they get over 6 lbs. I could only imagine how hard one that size could fight.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Problem is that no one knows the true severity or long term implications of GM introduction. When you don’t know all the facts, it’s typically best err on the side of caution and make informed decisions as data becomes available. Yea, it hurts the fishing industry and that sucks. It hurts tourism, and that sucks. But being mad about being inconvenienced as a fisherman? I don’t understand it… just seems like whining. I like fishing… a lot. But it’s a privilege. If there’s a possibility that the GM can damage the infrastructure at Monticello Dam and compromise the water supply to the cities and farms of solano county, I’m totally fine jumping through a hoop or two if that’s how I can be part of the solution right now. I’m bummed for the business owners - but these are the hurdles that happen sometimes when your business relies on nature, seasonality, etc. there are no guarantees. Honestly, the best thing we all can do is actually go fishing MORE where we can 😂 pay your launch fees, buy an extra lure or two, and be respectful of the waterways you choose. Hopefully, things will even out as more info becomes available soon. This too, shall pass.
@ biologist said zebra mussels and gobies would ruin the Great Lakes and boy did they get both of those wrong. It made the Great Lakes, great. Smallmouth are thriving now better than ever. They said weights that previously used to win tournaments won’t even place in the top 50 nowadays.
@@jamesbarron1202 exactly. There’s definitely some wait-and-see in effect here. Unfortunately, this approach isn’t compatible with modern “Instant gratification” mentality. One thing these ‘inconveniences’ are doing is bringing attention to the issue, which is a great thing although comes at the cost of having a very vocal ‘guild of the disgruntled.’ Having said all of that, the ball is in the state agency’s court to collect and process data and then get all waterways on the same page. Of course, they are in a no-win situation because no matter what the outcome is, people can’t help but take a swing at the ol’ government piñata whenever they have a chance. 🪅 As I said… damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
@@jamesbarron1202 it’s not about the bass, hell bass are invasive 😂. It’s about the ecosystem as a whole and water infrastructure. If you research Q/Z mussels cost billions of dollars in infrastructure repairs and upkeep. GM would destroy a natural lake like Clear Lake and will likely drastically change the Delta. Look at areas in S. America where they’ve been introduced, the lakes tule and vegetation is gone. They drastically change the nutrient cycle.
Silver lining, a lil less fishing pressure...lol. I crushed during Covid! 😂 IMO. All about decon AT the delta, but decon should be common practice nationally. As well, I say absolutely keep houses, roads, and infrastructure off/away from lakes if possible. They just pump fertilizer and city chems into the lakes when it rains.
As of now as the Malone’s does not have a decontamination machine, so you have to quarantine for 30 days, believe me I looked into it because I’m supposed to be in the top 75 with future pro tour and New Malone is the first Lake
Nick, the question I have, how long these ships have been coming up the Delta, my guess is years. All of a sudden, we have Golden Mussels. Seems like something is off here to me--just saying.
Of course the little guy will get stuck with the bill, not the big freight companies. Just like unhealhy air, we're told not to even BBQ but Lodi farmer just burnt 100 acres of pulled grape vines. Nick, I agree with your opinion as do probably many others.
A lot of boat anglers fish the rivers, and all rivers feed the lakes. Tuolumne, Stanislaus, Mokolumne, American River, McCloud, and the list goes on...... There is no way to truly decontaminate.
Knowing Washington state, this will be a problem come this spring. It’s going to be very interesting to see where all this goes for the big tournament trails.
You said it, “different agencies different rules…”. They need to formulate 1 list of qualified decontamination sites and allow boats to utilize 1 tag for all northern CA bodies of water. If a boat launches in the delta, they have to get decontaminated again, obtain and tag, and then would be able to launch at any lake once again. Charge for the decontamination, then hire more lake staff to stay later than 4pm so boaters can obtain a new tag upon exiting the lake each time.
thanks Nick! i’m really curious about the areas of California that will be checking or quarantining lakes? I’m down here in the central valley and none of our lakes have done anything yet …knock on wood. I heard about this when I went to O’Neill’s in November and they literally inspect you to get in and dry you out to get out. It has not gotten any easier!
The fact that the delta is still open, where the mussels already are, and most of the lakes are still open should tell you that this whole thing is a joke.
It's hard to believe that this isn't just another money grab. I'm pretty sure said mussels can also be transported by waterfowl. Getting ready for another fee on top of a fee.
Every state has mussel regs. Utah already has decontamination tanks. Invasive species in general are an issue everywhere. I hate that fishing will be impacted, but I appreciate the people who have the actual responsibility to mitigate the damage. As you say that’s an incredibly difficult (maybe hopeless) job. The biggest potential impact is to water delivery systems. That’s big $$$.
Happy to be a kayak fisherman right now! Was at Berryessa a few days ago and had no inspection or anything. We're the exception it seems. I agree though, there isn't much of a realistic way to control this. It's already so bad and the mussels are so widespread that it can't be undone. Just a waste of time and resources.
Depends on what day you go I guess.. They didn't even allow launching from the OaksDay Use. No motors, no kayaks, no canoes, no exceptions is what the ranger said. She was on a good one too! Kayakers launching without permission since the quarantine went into effect are keeping them (rangers) on their toes.
Brother you are Right On, how long have the golden muscles or even the quagga mussel been here, no one inspects the ducks that fly from lake to lake without inspections.
It's unfortunate that we are in this situation but it's not easy to think that the state of California just want to restrict more and more fishing rights .
I'm a Delta guy so it's not a issue for me. Would like to hit up a couple lakes. But no big deal to me. I already haven't went to the East Bay lakes (del Valle) because of their inspection. Plus my boat is stored at a marina(Tracy Oasis) on the Delta.
Nick, thanks for putting this out, lot's of guys are feeling the same way. Personally, I think it's all about the money .. "never let a good disaster go by". I mainly fish the Delta, but I'm sure gonna miss the lakes that are 20 minutes from my home. 2025 is gonna be a challenge...
I’m not a person just throws their hands up and says f.. it, no need fighting it. You make many good points. May end up that way and I see no science behind how eradicate them but something that ain’t good is worth effort to stop spread. On the good point you made I like the most, becoming expert of the Delta, please take time out and do a “how to become expert on the Delta.” I fish solely Delta and love to know what I need to do to become an expert. Thank you.
I have to agree with you, I fish the delta until late winter then head to the lakes, I quess I will have to grind out on the delta all winter, it is not worth traveling until this cleared up
I'm at the point where I can barely afford to take my boat out once every couple months. What if the state just did a launch data base that shows when and where the last place you launched is at ? Then we could launch as long as we haven't been to the delta
pretty sure they can't spray the carpet on the trailer while the boat is still on it. this decontamination is performative at best and as you pointed out i bet there already is golden mussels in all the lakes. a little lake i fish already tested positive for them and they still shut it down..
Mussels also get spread by birds in their down. We have a large lake near that is NO entry NO boating and NO fishing and it has Zebra. So its a matter of time unfortunately
Randy Pringle really made an effort to accommodate his anglers with a throughout schedule due to the golden mussel. He made it as easy as possible and he even created an open strictly for the delta as well!🤘🤘
This reminds me very much of COVID and the arbitrary measures state and local gov created to 'stop the spread' (which is not possible w/an airborne virus that spreads via coughing/sneezing - where droplets measuring 5-to-50 microns hang/suspend in the air for seconds to minutes.) Mussels propagate via microscopic veligers during their larval stage. When they first spawn, they are usually less than 0.1 millimeters in size (mathematically 50 viligers can live in 1 drop of water.) In both cases, 'stopping the spread' is virtually impossible, yet in the case of mussels, virtually ALL of the state's efforts are placed here. They target Bass boats b/c it's easier to 'decontaminate' a bass boat (and tournament anglers are guaranteed to be compliant.) eg think about the line at Berryesa's decom site on a July the weekend IF they were to fully decontaminate all Wakeboard boats - INCLUDING the ballast systems that need thorough flushing w/140 degree water... a process that can take upwards of 60 minutes and requires completely filling then flushing to ensure the complete system is 'decontaminated.' (one of those big monster WB boats has multiple bladders that can hold upwards of 240+ gallons.) State and Local gov create many programs, costing millions/billions of dollars under the guise of "WE MUST DO SOMETHING" without ever asking the question of is our goal achievable/possible? Why not spend 100% of the effort/resources dealing with the inevitable?? ie instead of 'Stop The Spread' focus on local infestation eradication efforts - developing biocides that specifically target mussels or using coper sulfate, or using pathogens or diseases to target invasive mussels. (eg the bacterium "Wolbachia," which has been shown to sterilize certain mussel species in laboratory conditions.) Focus on dealing with, managing the problem. If it's as prolific as they say, until they FULLY inspect and decontaminate all ducks and geese (and wakeboard boats), it's going to spread.
According to CA DFW the golden mussel was not on the buoy they check in the Delta in September, but was found there in October. Their website has locations they have been found, which is 2 or 3 on the Delta. Check out Steve Cooper’s In Deep on the Delta video where he interviews two guys from DFW. Good info.
Nick, your right on regarding the state not caring about fisherman. Most of our lakes are strictly water storage for the biggest water users in our state, agriculture. Ag. uses 80% of all California's water and do a little research you'll find out that Billionaire's own most of the crops in particular cash crops, pistachios, almonds and alfalfa. Feeding America, give me a break. It's all about money controlling and taking.
I dont see how they will prevent them from spreading. The fact that not all lakes are limiting launch and only for motorized vehicles makes no sense. These mussels aren't just gonna pick kayaks with motors to attach to, lol. Its like after 9/11 when they were confiscating nail clippers at airport gates but allowing pencils on board. Its a reactionnary reponse without real thought behind it. Its too late. Unless they prevent container ships from entering our waterways, more non-natives will be introduced in the system in the future. Its just the reality. They need to accept the fact that they are here and mitigate damage based on that premise. Who knows, maybe something good will come out of this like some fisheries in the east where smallmouth bass fishing has improved due to two invasive species. My 2 cents.
How does closing a lake for 30 days help? Someone can go to the delta on the 29th day then launch at the lake on the 31st day. 🤔 am I missing something?
If you haven’t had your boat on any body of water since October (or even as far back as July, August or September) shouldn’t you be able to launch at any lake? Or do you have to provide proof of decontamination for certain lakes? ie. Berryessa, New Melones?
We have zebra mussels in the Midwest. I’ve learned you can’t stop nature. I have lakes that don’t even have zebra mussels anymore. But I know California is different with their regulations.
you're a downright fool. this is not political. this is about protecting the food chain that supports BIG BASS. do you want to play a part spread those god awful things around?
My biggest fear is it this mussel is bad as they say, and it gets into lakes and dramatically reduce the health and fish population or potentially make the lake sterile, and we all lose at that point. Other states may start to not allow any CA registration on their bodies of water . I really hope this isn't as bad as it's reported to be.
@@jasongundros1422 zebra mussels made the Great Lakes, great for smallmouth. Weights that used to win tournaments before zebras won’t even get you into a top 50 finish now. Redear sunfish (shell crackers) thrive in quagga mussel waters because they eat them. As do drum and bluecat.
HOW ABOUT BIRDS SUCH AS WATERFOWL TRANSPORTING THE MUSCLES ALL OVER THE WATERWAYS ALSO, THEY MAY INGEST THEM AND THEN DEPOSIT THEM IN RIVERS STREAMS CREEKS OR LAKES THEMSELVES THROUGH MIGRATION
For now business as usual with extra monitoring and further training for ramps monitors. I see the future being more mussel dogs put into service but they’re expensive and take time to train. I predict a fee increase to cover mussel dogs over decontamination which would be quicker and less expensive the decontamination stations.
run several different boats. one partner has a boat for berry, one has a designated boat for the delta. someone said apple trackers attached to boats. serious inconvenience for all.
If the Delta is the source of the contamination, sit it down. But like you said Nick, it’s probably too late. I love the Delta but if it’s going to destroy all the lakes, something has to be done!
I think the lakes need to honor each others band. If you decontaminate at berryessa and get the band you should be able to go to Melones and be able to fish. And visa versa. Having to go to Melones and be inspected wait 30 days. Fish there get a band, and then be able to go to berryessa. Your boat was clean and inspected. You didn’t launch anywhere else, the other lake should allow you to fish there. I love the delta enough I would make time to get decontaminated. But going from lake to lake is going to be a pain!!
How do you stop DUCKS, SEAGULLS and other birds from flying around with these mussels stuck in the mud on their feet the answer is you don't this is a way to stop boats only.
What are they just trying make everyone have to own more then one boat ? Think that’s what ima half to do lol ones gonna be named (DELTA) the other (BERRY) or (LAKE) 🤔divide a conquer strategy aye !
Check the ducks feet when they fly in
Nick, it's a total mess anyway you look at it. Thankfully we still can fish miles and miles of great delta water!! Wishing you and your family a healthy and prosperous new year!
Great talk. The biggest issue, and I don't see anyone working on fixing it, is there is no uniform policy and because of that no one will honer any one else's bands.and they wont' be free forever.
Happy New Year buddy! Tanks for the info - I had heard about it from a friend but now I really know what's up!
What does the current mussel sticker fee do? I would bet that the state will see another easy money grab and increase the sticker fee.
Take more money outta your pocket to fund Hollywood and Malibu.
It pays for the program, ie: people’s wages
@@johnvangsoulatda329 you think preventing the spread of invasive species is free? lol… take a look at this comments section - the more people we have saying “the gubmint is messin up muh fishin’!! This is stooopid.” the more it costs to maintain our waterways.
We only pay a few bucks every couple of years. Cry me a river (mussel-free, hopefully) river.
@@db9818 exactly
@@jeffhutting7958 You realize this is California, right?
Always appreciate your stuff!
when the quagga stickers came out lake camanche was checking for them for a few months then gave up no more tags or inspections.this golden mussel situation was handled poorly some cowboy who had to have his limelight shut everything down with out thinking of the impact without inspecting the lakes launch ramp areas for the mussel if their anywhere they'll be at the ramps.the contamination sites theres 2 ?with car dealerships all over the state of california that have hotsy pressure washers that can deliver over 200 degrees temps its not hard to spray a boat lm sure they can be trained and probably would love the business.yup just 1 cowboy is all it takes all you have to do is think before you move but thats californias way
Good ol Rancho murieta. I’ve caught so many fish on glide baits fishing around that big round point there. Takes me back.
Complicated mess. Think everyone is just hoping for more information so they dont overreact or underreact. Just hoping at some point we can get to a multi lake tag system so as long as we avoid contaminated water we can launch at all california lakes.
Thanks for the report Nick.
How about decontamination at the Delta when you leave problem solved 17:06
There’s a thought! Lol
Or simply just removing the decontamination tag on your boat at all delta launches so we could move between all uncontaminated water in the state and only have to worry about a wait or decontamination fee after delta use.
Makes to much sense can't do it
There are just way too many legislators and administrators who seemed to find ways to restrict and tax those of us who enjoy the outdoors. They know that there is no practical way to stop this “invasion“. 👏🏿👏🏿🎣
the only thing you can count on is the boaters/fishermen will bear the brunt of the cost in the end
Waste of time doing all that stuff because they’re going to spread anyways. The water birds will spread them because their larvae is very tiny and will get in the birds feathers. One good thing to come from it is, the redear sunfish will get huge eating them. Drum and bluecat eat them also. Lake Havasu pumps out world record class redear because of quagga mussels. Redear are the hardest fighting bream I’ve ever caught and they get over 6 lbs. I could only imagine how hard one that size could fight.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Problem is that no one knows the true severity or long term implications of GM introduction.
When you don’t know all the facts, it’s typically best err on the side of caution and make informed decisions as data becomes available.
Yea, it hurts the fishing industry and that sucks. It hurts tourism, and that sucks.
But being mad about being inconvenienced as a fisherman? I don’t understand it… just seems like whining.
I like fishing… a lot. But it’s a privilege. If there’s a possibility that the GM can damage the infrastructure at Monticello Dam and compromise the water supply to the cities and farms of solano county, I’m totally fine jumping through a hoop or two if that’s how I can be part of the solution right now.
I’m bummed for the business owners - but these are the hurdles that happen sometimes when your business relies on nature, seasonality, etc. there are no guarantees.
Honestly, the best thing we all can do is actually go fishing MORE where we can 😂 pay your launch fees, buy an extra lure or two, and be respectful of the waterways you choose.
Hopefully, things will even out as more info becomes available soon.
This too, shall pass.
@ biologist said zebra mussels and gobies would ruin the Great Lakes and boy did they get both of those wrong. It made the Great Lakes, great. Smallmouth are thriving now better than ever. They said weights that previously used to win tournaments won’t even place in the top 50 nowadays.
@@jamesbarron1202 exactly. There’s definitely some wait-and-see in effect here. Unfortunately, this approach isn’t compatible with modern “Instant gratification” mentality.
One thing these ‘inconveniences’ are doing is bringing attention to the issue, which is a great thing although comes at the cost of having a very vocal ‘guild of the disgruntled.’
Having said all of that, the ball is in the state agency’s court to collect and process data and then get all waterways on the same page.
Of course, they are in a no-win situation because no matter what the outcome is, people can’t help but take a swing at the ol’ government piñata whenever they have a chance. 🪅
As I said… damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
We will see what happens with time. For now I’ll stick to my bank fishing!🎉
@@jamesbarron1202 it’s not about the bass, hell bass are invasive 😂. It’s about the ecosystem as a whole and water infrastructure. If you research Q/Z mussels cost billions of dollars in infrastructure repairs and upkeep. GM would destroy a natural lake like Clear Lake and will likely drastically change the Delta. Look at areas in S. America where they’ve been introduced, the lakes tule and vegetation is gone. They drastically change the nutrient cycle.
And what about the Fish and Game boats on duty? What happens when the Sheriff's boats are called for a rescue?
Silver lining, a lil less fishing pressure...lol. I crushed during Covid! 😂
IMO. All about decon AT the delta, but decon should be common practice nationally.
As well, I say absolutely keep houses, roads, and infrastructure off/away from lakes if possible. They just pump fertilizer and city chems into the lakes when it rains.
nothing being said about stopping the spread down the aquaduct toward the So Cal area
As of now as the Malone’s does not have a decontamination machine, so you have to quarantine for 30 days, believe me I looked into it because I’m supposed to be in the top 75 with future pro tour and New Malone is the first Lake
Nick, the question I have, how long these ships have been coming up the Delta, my guess is years. All of a sudden, we have Golden Mussels. Seems like something is off here to me--just saying.
Probably a conspiracy for sure 😂
Agreed 💯
Some circuits (BBT) have already added a golden muscle division ‼️. Nice discussion. Tight lines from Cameron and sjbm19 🎣
Of course the little guy will get stuck with the bill, not the big freight companies. Just like unhealhy air,
we're told not to even BBQ but Lodi farmer just burnt 100 acres of pulled grape vines.
Nick, I agree with your opinion as do probably many others.
A lot of boat anglers fish the rivers, and all rivers feed the lakes.
Tuolumne, Stanislaus, Mokolumne, American River, McCloud, and the list goes on......
There is no way to truly decontaminate.
Knowing Washington state, this will be a problem come this spring. It’s going to be very interesting to see where all this goes for the big tournament trails.
You said it, “different agencies different rules…”. They need to formulate 1 list of qualified decontamination sites and allow boats to utilize 1 tag for all northern CA bodies of water. If a boat launches in the delta, they have to get decontaminated again, obtain and tag, and then would be able to launch at any lake once again. Charge for the decontamination, then hire more lake staff to stay later than 4pm so boaters can obtain a new tag upon exiting the lake each time.
thanks Nick! i’m really curious about the areas of California that will be checking or quarantining lakes? I’m down here in the central valley and none of our lakes have done anything yet …knock on wood. I heard about this when I went to O’Neill’s in November and they literally inspect you to get in
and dry you out to get out. It has
not gotten any easier!
The fact that the delta is still open, where the mussels already are, and most of the lakes are still open should tell you that this whole thing is a joke.
It's hard to believe that this isn't just another money grab. I'm pretty sure said mussels can also be transported by waterfowl. Getting ready for another fee on top of a fee.
Here in so cal we have 7 to 9 day quarantine between lake. We have had them for years.
I went to socal to fish this year and found out how bad it is to fish there because of it
I agree with you Nick, the regulations are not consistent through out the state so what's the use. It sounds like a mess any way you look at it.
Every state has mussel regs. Utah already has decontamination tanks. Invasive species in general are an issue everywhere. I hate that fishing will be impacted, but I appreciate the people who have the actual responsibility to mitigate the damage. As you say that’s an incredibly difficult (maybe hopeless) job. The biggest potential impact is to water delivery systems. That’s big $$$.
Happy to be a kayak fisherman right now! Was at Berryessa a few days ago and had no inspection or anything. We're the exception it seems. I agree though, there isn't much of a realistic way to control this. It's already so bad and the mussels are so widespread that it can't be undone. Just a waste of time and resources.
I was wondering about this. Are you motored?
@ yes my buddy and I both have CF numbers and weren’t subject to an inspection
@@valenor916 Awesome!!!!
Depends on what day you go I guess.. They didn't even allow launching from the OaksDay Use. No motors, no kayaks, no canoes, no exceptions is what the ranger said. She was on a good one too! Kayakers launching without permission since the quarantine went into effect are keeping them (rangers) on their toes.
Its only a matter of time until they do. In socal they check even if you're in a kayak
the forebay has had them for years no one talked about it now they do... only a matter of time for SOCAL from the aqueduct
Brother you are Right On, how long have the golden muscles or even the quagga mussel been here, no one inspects the ducks that fly from lake to lake without inspections.
I agree with you Nick, don't know what good it will do.
I agree. I also wonder if birds can transport the mussels also.
It's unfortunate that we are in this situation but it's not easy to think that the state of California just want to restrict more and more fishing rights .
I'm a Delta guy so it's not a issue for me. Would like to hit up a couple lakes. But no big deal to me. I already haven't went to the East Bay lakes (del Valle) because of their inspection. Plus my boat is stored at a marina(Tracy Oasis) on the Delta.
Interesting to see how other places handle invasives issues; HNY!
Thanks a lot for the info Nick
Nick, thanks for putting this out, lot's of guys are feeling the same way. Personally, I think it's all about the money .. "never let a good disaster go by". I mainly fish the Delta, but I'm sure gonna miss the lakes that are 20 minutes from my home. 2025 is gonna be a challenge...
“It’s all about the money” yet the State hasn’t made any moves on this yet. All the changes are from individual water districts.
As far as the decontamination, I heard they put 110 degree to 131 degree water through your motor, does this by chance harm the motor?
160°
Just a PITA fishing in Cali last few years and getting worse!! Frustrating!
Seems like instead of tagging boats at lakes they should tag the boats leaving the delta. Require decon as you leave the delta.
I’m not a person just throws their hands up and says f.. it, no need fighting it. You make many good points. May end up that way and I see no science behind how eradicate them but something that ain’t good is worth effort to stop spread. On the good point you made I like the most, becoming expert of the Delta, please take time out and do a “how to become expert on the Delta.” I fish solely Delta and love to know what I need to do to become an expert. Thank you.
I would be very curious to see if they have actually found anything at all in the decontamination stations.
one would think some agency would be doing biological sampling of the water from the decom. which means its prob not happening lol
Its weird these lakes are closing over this mussel thing
I have to agree with you, I fish the delta until late winter then head to the lakes, I quess I will have to grind out on the delta all winter, it is not worth traveling until this cleared up
I'm at the point where I can barely afford to take my boat out once every couple months. What if the state just did a launch data base that shows when and where the last place you launched is at ? Then we could launch as long as we haven't been to the delta
A way to make money is what I believe.
pretty sure they can't spray the carpet on the trailer while the boat is still on it. this decontamination is performative at best and as you pointed out i bet there already is golden mussels in all the lakes. a little lake i fish already tested positive for them and they still shut it down..
?? what the New Melones situation ?? Closed / Open - process to launch if open ??
Mussels also get spread by birds in their down. We have a large lake near that is NO entry NO boating and NO fishing and it has Zebra. So its a matter of time unfortunately
There will also be guys who figure out how to buy the boat/trailer tags, and sell them. Lakes have to buy them from somewhere. Black market tags $
Randy Pringle really made an effort to accommodate his anglers with a throughout schedule due to the golden mussel. He made it as easy as possible and he even created an open strictly for the delta as well!🤘🤘
His golden mussel series looks great. I’ll be fishing some of those for sure.
This reminds me very much of COVID and the arbitrary measures state and local gov created to 'stop the spread' (which is not possible w/an airborne virus that spreads via coughing/sneezing - where droplets measuring 5-to-50 microns hang/suspend in the air for seconds to minutes.) Mussels propagate via microscopic veligers during their larval stage. When they first spawn, they are usually less than 0.1 millimeters in size (mathematically 50 viligers can live in 1 drop of water.) In both cases, 'stopping the spread' is virtually impossible, yet in the case of mussels, virtually ALL of the state's efforts are placed here. They target Bass boats b/c it's easier to 'decontaminate' a bass boat (and tournament anglers are guaranteed to be compliant.) eg think about the line at Berryesa's decom site on a July the weekend IF they were to fully decontaminate all Wakeboard boats - INCLUDING the ballast systems that need thorough flushing w/140 degree water... a process that can take upwards of 60 minutes and requires completely filling then flushing to ensure the complete system is 'decontaminated.' (one of those big monster WB boats has multiple bladders that can hold upwards of 240+ gallons.) State and Local gov create many programs, costing millions/billions of dollars under the guise of "WE MUST DO SOMETHING" without ever asking the question of is our goal achievable/possible? Why not spend 100% of the effort/resources dealing with the inevitable?? ie instead of 'Stop The Spread' focus on local infestation eradication efforts - developing biocides that specifically target mussels or using coper sulfate, or using pathogens or diseases to target invasive mussels. (eg the bacterium "Wolbachia," which has been shown to sterilize certain mussel species in laboratory conditions.) Focus on dealing with, managing the problem. If it's as prolific as they say, until they FULLY inspect and decontaminate all ducks and geese (and wakeboard boats), it's going to spread.
Question is how are these mussels getting from one place to another they stick to your boat etc?
How many Golden Mussels does it take to get to the center of a TOOTSIE POP. ?? 🤔. 🤷♂️
According to CA DFW the golden mussel was not on the buoy they check in the Delta in September, but was found there in October. Their website has locations they have been found, which is 2 or 3 on the Delta. Check out Steve Cooper’s In Deep on the Delta video where he interviews two guys from DFW. Good info.
Last time I checked they’re in around 25 different locations. DFW website has a map they update regularly.
Nick, your right on regarding the state not caring about fisherman. Most of our lakes are strictly water storage for the biggest water users in our state, agriculture. Ag. uses 80% of all California's water and do a little research you'll find out that Billionaire's own most of the crops in particular cash crops, pistachios, almonds and alfalfa. Feeding America, give me a break. It's all about money controlling and taking.
I dont see how they will prevent them from spreading. The fact that not all lakes are limiting launch and only for motorized vehicles makes no sense. These mussels aren't just gonna pick kayaks with motors to attach to, lol. Its like after 9/11 when they were confiscating nail clippers at airport gates but allowing pencils on board. Its a reactionnary reponse without real thought behind it. Its too late. Unless they prevent container ships from entering our waterways, more non-natives will be introduced in the system in the future. Its just the reality. They need to accept the fact that they are here and mitigate damage based on that premise. Who knows, maybe something good will come out of this like some fisheries in the east where smallmouth bass fishing has improved due to two invasive species. My 2 cents.
How does closing a lake for 30 days help? Someone can go to the delta on the 29th day then launch at the lake on the 31st day. 🤔 am I missing something?
If you haven’t had your boat on any body of water since October (or even as far back as July, August or September) shouldn’t you be able to launch at any lake? Or do you have to provide proof of decontamination for certain lakes? ie. Berryessa, New Melones?
In SoCal, you have to take it to the lake to get it red tagged then in 30 days you can return to fish it
Happy Holidays! Here is to a great 2025!!
is there a list online that show the lakes that are restricted and those that are not?
We have zebra mussels in the Midwest. I’ve learned you can’t stop nature. I have lakes that don’t even have zebra mussels anymore. But I know California is different with their regulations.
Will be interesting to see if Oregon follows suit.
It's about control. If people aren't fishing or boating no one to complain when they sell all the water which they are already doing.
you're a downright fool. this is not political. this is about protecting the food chain that supports BIG BASS. do you want to play a part spread those god awful things around?
Happy new year
Thanks for an update.
Same with zebra mussels they will spread and will be almost impossible to control.
Great video thanks for the info..
Good report.
I think the only answer is for scientists to figure out a like that only attacks them. Scary
One of my favorite fishing sites.
I wonder if these mussels can go upstream to the back side of dams..
Mussels can only freely travel down stream.
My biggest fear is it this mussel is bad as they say, and it gets into lakes and dramatically reduce the health and fish population or potentially make the lake sterile, and we all lose at that point. Other states may start to not allow any CA registration on their bodies of water . I really hope this isn't as bad as it's reported to be.
@@jasongundros1422 zebra mussels made the Great Lakes, great for smallmouth. Weights that used to win tournaments before zebras won’t even get you into a top 50 finish now. Redear sunfish (shell crackers) thrive in quagga mussel waters because they eat them. As do drum and bluecat.
How long does the decontamination process take?
I heard Folsom ph wont support the mussel, can anyone speak to that, fact or myth?
Thanks for the information
Decontamination is going to be a money maker.
Great information
HOW ABOUT BIRDS SUCH AS WATERFOWL TRANSPORTING THE MUSCLES ALL OVER THE WATERWAYS ALSO, THEY MAY INGEST THEM AND THEN DEPOSIT THEM IN RIVERS STREAMS CREEKS OR LAKES THEMSELVES THROUGH MIGRATION
Used to it fishing at san luis reservoir and the forebay. Not a big deal
I don't see how they can survive in the highland lakes with water levels that fluctuate 100' or more
They probably won’t, it’ll be more of an issue in the Delta and natural lakes or lakes that have less rise/fall.
California lakes hold water for farming and its a fact
I wonder how this video will age.
I need camanche to open up
I know you can just buy a boat for each lake you fish,if you got a lot of money sitting around,and space to keep all those boats!😂
Any word on what Clearlake is gonna do?
For now business as usual with extra monitoring and further training for ramps monitors. I see the future being more mussel dogs put into service but they’re expensive and take time to train. I predict a fee increase to cover mussel dogs over decontamination which would be quicker and less expensive the decontamination stations.
I was going to get a motor for my kayak this year....(was!!)
They're still going to check with or without one
Nice video!
run several different boats. one partner has a boat for berry, one has a designated boat for the delta.
someone said apple trackers attached to boats. serious inconvenience for all.
I believe it's a money grab
"i believe" you don't care about the food chain, which supports BIG BASS. learn about the food chain, goofy.
More government over reach you made some good points
Thanks
If the Delta is the source of the contamination, sit it down. But like you said Nick, it’s probably too late. I love the Delta but if it’s going to destroy all the lakes, something has to be done!
Shut the delta down? Lmao. Not even possible if they wanted to.
Your the man
I think the lakes need to honor each others band. If you decontaminate at berryessa and get the band you should be able to go to Melones and be able to fish. And visa versa. Having to go to Melones and be inspected wait 30 days. Fish there get a band, and then be able to go to berryessa. Your boat was clean and inspected. You didn’t launch anywhere else, the other lake should allow you to fish there. I love the delta enough I would make time to get decontaminated. But going from lake to lake is going to be a pain!!
How do you stop DUCKS, SEAGULLS and other birds from flying around with these mussels stuck in the mud on their feet the answer is you don't this is a way to stop boats only.
What are they just trying make everyone have to own more then one boat ? Think that’s what ima half to do lol ones gonna be named (DELTA) the other (BERRY) or (LAKE) 🤔divide a conquer strategy aye !