I was wrong! Lite Speed Bike says full throttle at 60v is no problem! I will have to redo the range test and go way harder next time! Could you imagine if someone in the gas moto industry made a kit that gave your bike 5x power and more range without adding any significant weight to your bike? It couldn't happen. Electric bikes are the wild west right now I love it!
these are the feel good videos the world needs right now. you guys are fun to watch and i love the hype and family unity here. thank you , smiled the whole time watching this!
dude I really like what you are doing here. You are literally setting the evolution of these things. Once you can ride all day in an affordable SurOn and keep up with the boys its going to change everything
Great Vid boys and girls, just sold a 2021 Sherco SE125 to get a Surron and my old CR500 back...35 yrs later you will still be riding, there is nothing in life to beat this! I only ache when im not riding.lol
Dude, These are the best Surron videos on TH-cam by far. Good fun to watch. I hope you keep making more of these videos. You will hit 100k subscribers in no time.
This is great content!! Nothing ruins a video more than music…I have been on the fence about the longevity of a Sur-Ron. As a dirt-bike, ATV rider my whole life..all of our trails in Eastern Long Island NY are closed to motorcycles so I plan on bypassing with an electric bike …I will definitely do the bac 4000 or 8000 with 72v … Thank you for great content once again
I was out riding in the same stuff with a friend, just way west of you. We were on 2strokes. Had to go up and down some red clay faces that were still frozen .. and that was the slickest stuff I've tried riding on.
You can go down to 65 V absolute minimum. The 5V „left“ are not useable, you could pull about 20-40A but the voltage would drop very near to shut down voltage.
This is like the most classic Surron build ever that I have seen (atleast in the Surron Facebook groups) xD Litespeed battery + Asi Bac 8000 with no brake, suspension, tire, hub or spoke upgrade. Malfunction waiting to happen or even that epic crash from a jump that was caused by the bike just killing itself :D
@@TheNobleLoyalist Just to name a few. 1. Sur-Ron (Light Bee) Modders 2. SpB / Sur-Ron powerful bikes 3. Sur-ron-moto 4. Sur Ron Owners Worldwide 5. Sur Ron USA Owners (Official)
After watching the full clip i would say your sur ron is too powerful for woodland riding! Not enough weight in the bike for that power i have owned mine over 2 years pure stock and there is nothing i cant climb or decend wheelies for days too 💪🏼
You can dril holes in the center of the tred, then mark inside,then insert smooth head screws, bam studied snow tires, I grew up in Missoula, Mt. Have slamed ass down few times from three ft, up. Nececidy is the mother of invention..
Hi, a very nice job you have done here! I am going to look through all your build videos, but I have one question in advance - can this be done on Seg Way X160 frame, as those are same (similar?) and most of critical parts get swapped anyway?
Killer bike man, absolutely love my Sur Ron can’t wait to go 72. That shinko 244 on the back there is a good tire, I like the 241s a little more but there both good. I’ve had both of them
I really loved this episode because of the beautiful place. you and your friend and your sister Plus your lovely dog getting some good exercise and fun. stay safe
Where do you get these bikes. I can’t find anyone that sells them. Alibaba sells them online, but I don’t want a cheap Chinese knock off. So who sells the tea deal with a realistic price??? Thanks, love all your videos by the way. Good job.
Growing up in upstate NY and riding 2-stroke motocross bikes the landscape in that part of Idaho would be soooo different than my experience in NY. I'm not a huge fan of logs being in the trail, particularly end-on -- run into that and it could impale you real quick. Also, that f'n dog hung with you the whole way and, what was that, 12 miles. I can bet that when he/she got home the chow was devoured and then a long sleep -- he/she earned it.
@@brandolo5990 Provided they start warm and keep in their preferred temp range (store the bike/battery pack inside and hit the throttle hard when in the cold), they'll stay in a safe temp range.
I can't remember if I've commented on your channel before but I'm a recent refugee from a commie-state to the the CDA area. I would love to see a Sur-Ron in action. I've gone quadding with my dad in the Inland Empire Paper Company lands a few times. I've been researching the crap out of this bike. If you are in the Post Falls area I would love to see the Sur-Ron in person.
Range of an electric bike is all about the watt-hour energy capacity of the battery and how much power you are using over time. Energy = power x time. That is, watt-hours = watts x hours. The voltage of a battery goes down as you remove energy from it, but using voltage to predict your range is not as good as knowing your power usage and the energy capacity of the battery. Power is determined by the current flow from the battery and the voltage the battery is at. Power = Voltage x Current. That is, watts = joules/sec = joules/coulomb x coulombs/sec
In those conditions, thats some impressive output from that system. Definite improvement over stock, hows the Ludicrous bike stack up to your lightspeed?
Edwin i love these video and I had a crazy idea that I wanted to share with you. So sur ron clearly take mountain bike suspension, that if you took a snow bike kit for a mountain bike and fit it into the sur ron just to see if it works. I mean if I had one I would t want to ruin it but again Mayb most parts for the snow bike kit could line up and work perfectly in the sur ron. Just an idea and a crazy thought to try on either channel. Keep it up love your channel and grind hard!!
@@EdwinOlding yeah they are crazy cool in high school I did a huge project on them I was heavy into mountain biking. I think it would just be a cool idea for you guys to try out, I know they are kind of expensive but worth a try!
Yeah, if you could add another motor for the front wheels it would get you out of anything, and have a switch to turn on both wheels or just the rear wheel. I like the trail you rode on, it looks fun!
Also, very curious how the Luna Ludicrous version compares overall to your ASI BAC 8000 72 volt set up. My eventual goal is to do the ASI BAC 8000 72 volt for my Sur Ron. Cheers.
This is how the bike should come stock in my opinion I understand why they don't to keep the cost down. But I think they would sell many more bikes if they stock performance was the same as your bike. I will say it again the trail dog is amazing he is always there even when you pick up speed the dog always seems to be in front lol
Love your videos man! Agree with the comment below...how can you run that stock fork still? Seems like the 72v bac8000 maybe a bit much for the surron. Looking forward to a real comparison with the XX. Keep up the great vids
Been a fan of GHPC for quite a while now and watched all your vids there, always exciting to see a new one. Your personal channel just showed up in my feed recently and i'm looking forward to watching any content you post here too! Thank you! Dumb question, what map app are you using to give you so much feedback?
How many lbs of air are you using on your tires in those conditions? When you put the bike back in your truck it sounded like you have a lot of air in your tires. Definitely lower to 10 to 12 lbs and you should see a hugeeee difference in traction. I ride hare scrambles in FL and Montana and I use low pressure for both. One bad thing is pinch flats but I pull the tube valve core and put in some of my stans mtb tubeless tire sealer and it works great. Used to get pinch flats in FL a lot from palmetto roots but not once I started using the sealer. Also, I don't use a lot, I only use a few ounces and it's good enough. Highly suggest it, and definitely ride with low air pressure on that icy snowy stuff and you'll be way happier. Also soften up the suspension as much as you can for your riding
Alright I haven't looked into these just yet. But does it run mtb components. Like forks rear shock and breaks. I saw a comment about Shimano pads. What do they come spect with. Because you can get ohlins for mtb. Probably will have too haha. And for breaks I have no idea. I cant belive mtb breaks are even doing it and keeping pads in it. I do one park day and my pads are like 40 percent gone lol.
i live in washington. i have the same kind of fun on the nuc 24 f 72v chi. stock tires are holding up too. i switched back for a shink 241. much bigger stance .
Nice video! I bought a sur-ron light we X 2020, last week in Luna cycle, but the range is very poor, 22 o 24 miles approx. I want to get more range, how much you spend for this new battery? and I need necessary the BAC? Or the battery works with the original BAC? And you need other stuffs? Like a new charger? Or you can charge the new battery with the original sur-ron charger? I only want more range I don't care more speed, I have to many questions because I live in Mexico and is a lot of money send the stuffs to here and I don't wanna get a mistake! Thanks! I love your videos!
So when you upgrade your battery you will need to upgrade your controller as well but the BAC 4000 works just fine the 8000 it’s just a little better if you’re going to be pinning it constantly
PLZ take the Sur Ron back to the shop and convert the rear from using a wheel into a track, like the timber sled kit for dirt bikes. Its ez to see the first thing they could improve with is better TRACTION no matter if its icy/wet/snowy/sandy/muddy/etc etc.
Hey Edwin: awesome riding' just wanted to say I threw the Shimano brake pads into my bike and improve the stopping power they feel awesome' I don't know if you have them" but if you don't you must try them!👍🤙⚡🤙
okay so imo the 8000 is generally mad overkill for the Surron. what battery and phase amps are you running? Asking cause i just finished a Proton mod full custom battery/controller/motor.
Mad props to the dog keeping up!
No kidding!
😻😻😻
Right? Damn that dogs an Athleten
Exactly what I was thinking -- they really REALLY want to be along with us....
I was wrong! Lite Speed Bike says full throttle at 60v is no problem! I will have to redo the range test and go way harder next time! Could you imagine if someone in the gas moto industry made a kit that gave your bike 5x power and more range without adding any significant weight to your bike? It couldn't happen. Electric bikes are the wild west right now I love it!
same as eMTB's they dont take away the pedaling, they give you more range for more fun, best purchase i ever made for MTB.
imagine a hybrid bike tho :o lil engine's lil batteries but dual powa baby
also imagine 2wd bikes :o
Can you a range test on road with minimal stops, full throttling most of the time?
@@menouahakopian9331 u can easily do that with electric bikes cuz it s like electric scooters...
these are the feel good videos the world needs right now. you guys are fun to watch and i love the hype and family unity here. thank you , smiled the whole time watching this!
dude I really like what you are doing here. You are literally setting the evolution of these things. Once you can ride all day in an affordable SurOn and keep up with the boys its going to change everything
I love how happy the doggy looks the entire time! He’s just chilling at watching everybody
Great Vid boys and girls, just sold a 2021 Sherco SE125 to get a Surron and my old CR500 back...35 yrs later you will still be riding, there is nothing in life to beat this! I only ache when im not riding.lol
Came here to get input on the 72v upgrade and totally got lost looking at that dog keeping up I was so impressed by him/her
Been really enjoying this Surron series! It's been a minute since I could trail-ride. Thanks for getting this quadriplegic out on the trails!!!
Dude, These are the best Surron videos on TH-cam by far. Good fun to watch. I hope you keep making more of these videos. You will hit 100k subscribers in no time.
This is great content!! Nothing ruins a video more than music…I have been on the fence about the longevity of a Sur-Ron. As a dirt-bike, ATV rider my whole life..all of our trails in Eastern Long Island NY are closed to motorcycles so I plan on bypassing with an electric bike …I will definitely do the bac 4000 or 8000 with 72v … Thank you for great content once again
i love the raw sound of the chain drive vs the belt. sounds like a beast
That sherco rider can seriously ride! Some killer logs and sends!
Alex is awesome, no lie! Check his Instagram it’s in the bio!
I was out riding in the same stuff with a friend, just way west of you. We were on 2strokes. Had to go up and down some red clay faces that were still frozen .. and that was the slickest stuff I've tried riding on.
Yay. Love the videos on the bikes. One of the best editors out there too btw, keep well and keep sending it #yewwww
Thank you so much I really appreciate it!
I was so impatient to see a new video, thanks man
I will try and make them more often!
Your sister is killing it!!! Good for her. 🤙🏼
The Dog is the coolest🔥
He is a happy beast
I was waiting for another video, perfect!
You need wider tyres for sure now!
You can go down to 65 V absolute minimum. The 5V „left“ are not useable, you could pull about 20-40A but the voltage would drop very near to shut down voltage.
Always sounds and looks like you guys are having WAY to much fun! Thanks for sharing this!
Great Video! Thank you for these comparisons and getting these bikes to ride as good as you can. Im listening and watching..
Currently saving up for mine. Thanks! I really enjoy watching these videos ✌
Thanks!
yewww
This is like the most classic Surron build ever that I have seen (atleast in the Surron Facebook groups) xD Litespeed battery + Asi Bac 8000 with no brake, suspension, tire, hub or spoke upgrade. Malfunction waiting to happen or even that epic crash from a jump that was caused by the bike just killing itself :D
I cant find the FB group. What do I search under?
@@TheNobleLoyalist Just to name a few.
1. Sur-Ron (Light Bee) Modders
2. SpB / Sur-Ron powerful bikes
3. Sur-ron-moto
4. Sur Ron Owners Worldwide
5. Sur Ron USA Owners (Official)
I love you're videos man, now I really want a surron for myself :)
I need one of these in my life.
You won’t look back I assure you.
After watching the full clip i would say your sur ron is too powerful for woodland riding! Not enough weight in the bike for that power i have owned mine over 2 years pure stock and there is nothing i cant climb or decend wheelies for days too 💪🏼
You can dril holes in the center of the tred, then mark inside,then insert smooth head screws, bam studied snow tires, I grew up in Missoula, Mt. Have slamed ass down few times from three ft, up. Nececidy is the mother of invention..
Ace content. finally a test where this bike deserves to be tested. How much you all-in on your build so far?
i will build my own one of these from parts who would like to see that ! awesome vid btw all ur vids have really gotten me in to these bikes :)
Hi, a very nice job you have done here! I am going to look through all your build videos, but I have one question in advance - can this be done on Seg Way X160 frame, as those are same (similar?) and most of critical parts get swapped anyway?
As great as the riding and bikes are, that dog running with you guys is the best!
Cool cool cool about the Sur Ron and whatnot but that dog though. That pup doesn’t quit.
She has next level energy
Electric is the future. Love that instant torque.
%100 unfortunately for now there a bit pricey I would pay 1500 tops maybe 2 but one day they'll be affordable
@@jakeoddy191 yeah 4000 is too much for what you get, and after the 72v mod its close to 7k...
Killer bike man, absolutely love my Sur Ron can’t wait to go 72. That shinko 244 on the back there is a good tire, I like the 241s a little more but there both good. I’ve had both of them
I really loved this episode because of the beautiful place. you and your friend and your sister Plus your lovely dog getting some good exercise and fun. stay safe
Where do you get these bikes. I can’t find anyone that sells them. Alibaba sells them online, but I don’t want a cheap Chinese knock off. So who sells the tea deal with a realistic price??? Thanks, love all your videos by the way. Good job.
Growing up in upstate NY and riding 2-stroke motocross bikes the landscape in that part of Idaho would be soooo different than my experience in NY. I'm not a huge fan of logs being in the trail, particularly end-on -- run into that and it could impale you real quick. Also, that f'n dog hung with you the whole way and, what was that, 12 miles. I can bet that when he/she got home the chow was devoured and then a long sleep -- he/she earned it.
Another sweet video dude! Can’t wait for spring so we can really tear it up! 😎
SURRON snow bike would be killer.
Next up for sure
Battery’s plus cold is never fun but do it any way
@@brandolo5990 Provided they start warm and keep in their preferred temp range (store the bike/battery pack inside and hit the throttle hard when in the cold), they'll stay in a safe temp range.
That looks like fun
It really is!
Almost considering one just to run errands around town. Lol
I can't remember if I've commented on your channel before but I'm a recent refugee from a commie-state to the the CDA area. I would love to see a Sur-Ron in action. I've gone quadding with my dad in the Inland Empire Paper Company lands a few times. I've been researching the crap out of this bike. If you are in the Post Falls area I would love to see the Sur-Ron in person.
Range of an electric bike is all about the watt-hour energy capacity of the battery and how much power you are using over time. Energy = power x time. That is, watt-hours = watts x hours. The voltage of a battery goes down as you remove energy from it, but using voltage to predict your range is not as good as knowing your power usage and the energy capacity of the battery. Power is determined by the current flow from the battery and the voltage the battery is at. Power = Voltage x Current. That is, watts = joules/sec = joules/coulomb x coulombs/sec
i wanna see some fpv footage of grizly falls in the spring
Random idea. Put a sur ron motor in a power wheels
You guys look like you are having a lot of fun. Nice video
In those conditions, thats some impressive output from that system. Definite improvement over stock, hows the Ludicrous bike stack up to your lightspeed?
Would love to know too
Hello just a question how long can you ride for before the battery is done.. you guys are riding hard.. and look like your having a lot of fun
Amazing views and trails! Are you at liberty to say if this is private or public land? The cabins looked amazing! I need to move to Idaho!
Can you do a video with all the upgrades you have made, links, and other stuff you have heard is a good idea.
Edwin i love these video and I had a crazy idea that I wanted to share with you. So sur ron clearly take mountain bike suspension, that if you took a snow bike kit for a mountain bike and fit it into the sur ron just to see if it works. I mean if I had one I would t want to ruin it but again Mayb most parts for the snow bike kit could line up and work perfectly in the sur ron. Just an idea and a crazy thought to try on either channel. Keep it up love your channel and grind hard!!
Thanks! I’ve actually never heard of the mountain bikes no bike kids before but I just looked them up and they look crazy cool!
@@EdwinOlding yeah they are crazy cool in high school I did a huge project on them I was heavy into mountain biking. I think it would just be a cool idea for you guys to try out, I know they are kind of expensive but worth a try!
The dog is like a minecraft dog. Just teleports back to you when he falls behind.
Little known fact. That's Edwins real voice 22:30
Love the sound of that two stroke chugging
the low seat height of those bikes would make such a difference in gnarly terrain... looks like such a great thing to ride around
Yeah, if you could add another motor for the front wheels it would get you out of anything, and have a switch to turn on both wheels or just the rear wheel. I like the trail you rode on, it looks fun!
Also, very curious how the Luna Ludicrous version compares overall to your ASI BAC 8000 72 volt set up. My eventual goal is to do the ASI BAC 8000 72 volt for my Sur Ron. Cheers.
We will do a video comparing the two I’m sure but it’s really hard to say and there’s icy conditions we might need to wait until spring
@@EdwinOlding thank you...I will look forward to it👍
@@EdwinOlding how much battery was left on the XX at the end of your guy’s ride?
Hehe slapped the jewels good n proper bro great edit your not bad on 2wheels Ed loved it cheers
This is how the bike should come stock in my opinion I understand why they don't to keep the cost down. But I think they would sell many more bikes if they stock performance was the same as your bike.
I will say it again the trail dog is amazing he is always there even when you pick up speed the dog always seems to be in front lol
Awesome video but I would still take a 2 stroke 250 anyday
That dog is awesome keeping up with the ride 🙂
Hey man, how do you feel about the noise with the chain conversion?
The four pawed ride is way faster :D just give him treats he will go all day
More range speed acceleration suspension everything! Nothing beats puppy power
Love your videos man! Agree with the comment below...how can you run that stock fork still?
Seems like the 72v bac8000 maybe a bit much for the surron. Looking forward to a real comparison with the XX.
Keep up the great vids
Def agree :)
Great playground. 11:25 those branches look dangerous. Are the dog's paws protected? I see they are white. The frost and the frozen twigs on the paws.
Cant wait to get back to Idaho this year and bring my Sur Ron and get out into the selkirks.
Been a fan of GHPC for quite a while now and watched all your vids there, always exciting to see a new one. Your personal channel just showed up in my feed recently and i'm looking forward to watching any content you post here too! Thank you! Dumb question, what map app are you using to give you so much feedback?
How many lbs of air are you using on your tires in those conditions? When you put the bike back in your truck it sounded like you have a lot of air in your tires. Definitely lower to 10 to 12 lbs and you should see a hugeeee difference in traction. I ride hare scrambles in FL and Montana and I use low pressure for both. One bad thing is pinch flats but I pull the tube valve core and put in some of my stans mtb tubeless tire sealer and it works great. Used to get pinch flats in FL a lot from palmetto roots but not once I started using the sealer. Also, I don't use a lot, I only use a few ounces and it's good enough. Highly suggest it, and definitely ride with low air pressure on that icy snowy stuff and you'll be way happier. Also soften up the suspension as much as you can for your riding
Alright I haven't looked into these just yet. But does it run mtb components. Like forks rear shock and breaks. I saw a comment about Shimano pads. What do they come spect with. Because you can get ohlins for mtb. Probably will have too haha. And for breaks I have no idea. I cant belive mtb breaks are even doing it and keeping pads in it. I do one park day and my pads are like 40 percent gone lol.
my god Look at that Dog..He is Absolutely Crazy
Let's go, think im going to order one soon
Where can we order
Awesome vid! Thanks for posting this!
14:40 when you flopped that drop off I said out loud "sh*t are you alright dude?"
That was a great example of one following the big bikes doesn’t work!
Whaiting for the next vídeo!
Ten years from now, someone is going to be recommended this video, and they're going to think “look how slow those bikes were!”
It's almost like that now the way everything advances so quickly.
@@jasonkoz8985 I think I want one... 🙊
i Was looking at the Surron but got the Shreco 300 SE Factory instead
i live in washington. i have the same kind of fun on the nuc 24 f 72v chi. stock tires are holding up too. i switched back for a shink 241. much bigger stance .
Nice video! I bought a sur-ron light we X 2020, last week in Luna cycle, but the range is very poor, 22 o 24 miles approx. I want to get more range, how much you spend for this new battery? and I need necessary the BAC? Or the battery works with the original BAC? And you need other stuffs? Like a new charger? Or you can charge the new battery with the original sur-ron charger? I only want more range I don't care more speed, I have to many questions because I live in Mexico and is a lot of money send the stuffs to here and I don't wanna get a mistake! Thanks! I love your videos!
So when you upgrade your battery you will need to upgrade your controller as well but the BAC 4000 works just fine the 8000 it’s just a little better if you’re going to be pinning it constantly
Very, very nice trail. Cool dog. Which country is? I like that trail
Mann I'm more impressed how fast your dog is! lol
A bigger front wheel would be advantageous for the type of riding you are doing, right?
Times they are a changing’
Sweet video
PLZ take the Sur Ron back to the shop and convert the rear from using a wheel into a track, like the timber sled kit for dirt bikes. Its ez to see the first thing they could improve with is better TRACTION no matter if its icy/wet/snowy/sandy/muddy/etc etc.
Super sick video!
Hey Edwin: awesome riding' just wanted to say I threw the Shimano brake pads into my bike and improve the stopping power they feel awesome' I don't know if you have them" but if you don't you must try them!👍🤙⚡🤙
You should look into grip studs.
Thanks for this. The Sur Ron is such an amazing invention. Fun for just about any riding terrain...and shout out to your bionic Dog😆👍
Ronnie is more capable off road than any of the bikes!
okay so imo the 8000 is generally mad overkill for the Surron. what battery and phase amps are you running?
Asking cause i just finished a Proton mod full custom battery/controller/motor.
Seems like the instant torque just spins the wheel constantly.
What a tree-mendous moto track! Beating n breaking them bikes in ! That Sur Ron has got the big stones rocking!
You should use the same battery that the dog runs on.
That looks very fun indeed. What does bike cost ?
Belt drive is much more efficient then chain, did you know? Lighter less rotating mass.
Awesome riding area !!!
That bike's pretty awesome
Awesome place to ride!!!
Impressive dog.
Also it’s better for ur battery to not discharge past about 20%. Of course you can do it from time to time just wouldn’t make a habit of it
It's crazy how much that battery goes for. >.> Over $2,000 is crazy.
I guess you have to compare how much you would spend on gas each time out over the years. I imagine maintenance might be less on an electric too.
Great vid. How does the power of lite speed vs XX? Btw your sister can shred
The 72v has twice the power but the xx is plenty! And still x2 the power of the regular x
What a dream