🎂 Celebrating 3 Years of GameSmiths! 💚💚 This Theory is waaaay late, so sorry for the delay. Interestingly though, it seems to line up well with the new Echoes of Wisdom game announcement! Heaps more to talk about and in the works, so thanks for being patient. As always, I'd love to hear what you all think. Keep being amazing 💚💚🌟🌟
@@michelled.4874Fairly sure this was Disc 2 from OST - I found a similar version th-cam.com/video/oMSCjGJp8Gk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Nf1GkND3QjkgSili Recommend also the ZREO version too
Glad to have you back GameSmiths. I hope everything has been good on your end and only getting better from here on out. As for the video, your perspectives on wishes and their ability to break is shown in such an incredible way! I believe I know where you would like to continue this theory arc in terms of the future being redeemed as the controls of the past are eventually lost. I have worded it this way to keep your secrecy. As for the wishes in ALBW and ALTTP, I can't wait to see how EoW continues the use of wishes as we revisit the overworld of those two games. I hope you have been well GameSmiths, keep on keeping on.
Hi Dan, great to hear from you and sorry it’s been a long time between catch ups. I’m looking forward to getting a heavy dose of shorts and sage words from your uploads hopefully this week. No doubt we are on the same page theory wise as always and I’ve got a heap more I’ve picked up well before the latest announcements so it’s good to see that lining up with the arc overall. Exciting times ahead for Zelda as a whole. Ironically it’s the channels 3 year anniversary with the first video being about playable Zelda so the recent announcement is somewhat on schedule for the celebration. The release date also coincides with the inspiration for that video so the coincidental nature of Zelda and real life continue to delight on my end. Hope you and yours are doing well my friend and hope to catch up soon. 💚💫
A wish that has mundane effects should have lasting mundane consequences. Hyrule won't face a downturn because the wish ends, but the safety net would be gone. Lorules restoration was a unique case, in that the wish was made by both Link and Zelda. The blood of the goddess seems to prevent Zelda from making wishes on the Triforce herself, but with Link helping make that wish perhaps the blood of the goddess makes Zelda's "life" persistent to the wish? Immortality itself may be why gods can't use the Triforce that way. The Curse itself may be similarly persistent in part because it involves the goddess bloodline, and by it's very design it gave Demises hate the same immortal persistance. ...Which might raise questions about the spirit of the hero, as well.
@@gamesmiths Glad you like it! Wiz Catches Lightning and a few of the others seem a bit tired of my unhinged rambling theory sessions. Probably helps that I'm not dropping All That at once into a single TH-cam comment.
The nature of the Triforce wishes is more nuanced than I wish for this one exact thing. So far my research into the topic indicates that the Triforce wish is made at the moment of binding when someone claims the power of the full Triforce the wish seems to be to create the world that the user envisions. This is also proven to not be an instant victory as the Sealing war was a thing which means that its a wish that can be challenged. As for the curse that was already broken by the end of Skyward sword which means that Ganon is irrelevant to the curse.
@@gamesmiths I should elaborate on my comment about the curse. The reason I said that the curse is broken is because when Demise's remains are sealed within the sword in localization they state that Demise's mind was sealed in the sword however this is an incorrect translation the japanese word used can translate to thoughts though the context is different. The japanese context indicates the nature of the curse to be the remains of Demise that are confirmed by Fi to be destroyed by the end of the game. My information about the japanese version and the context around it came from QuestWithAaron's video on what happened to Demise. He explains the japanese context better than me.
@@darkdagger5237 thanks for the extra context. The Japanese interpretations add a different perspective on so many examples of what is taken at face value so that’s really interesting to hear. Quest with Aaron does sensational work too. It’s an interesting thought and has implications on something else I’m looking into 💚💫
@@gamesmiths Too many people take the lore at face value and don't think to look deeper. Even the big name theorists have only scratched the surface not realizing how deep the lore is.
Hey Wiz! Good to hear from you buddy - hope all is well on your side of town. Been way too long. Was thinking about you too recently - funny how things work out. Wishing you all the best brohan 💚💫
I would consider that a curse is itself a malevolent wish. So they would operate similarly. But Demise’s curse was done so that it remains active as a hero and a blood descendant of Hylia emerge.
Love it. I’ve got my own personal view that Denise’s curse was simply an iteration of an existing opposition between (oversimplifying this part) forces of light and dark. Similar to our world, eras of peace always succumb to malicious forces driven by motive and eras of peace tend to follow the end of conflicts, but always at a cost. This leads back to my bigger questions surrounding why Demise had such hatred for the Gods in the first place and why he and the Demon tribe are, by all accounts, forced underground well before the pre-history of Skyward Sword. I’ve got an answer for that personally but that’s a whole other story, but I loved this comment. Really unique approach - thanks heaps 💚💫
@@gamesmiths I assumed that Demise and his demons ruled what existed before creation, and the Golden Goddesses stole that fork him. By giving form to the chaos that was the void, the stripped Demise of his domain. This would all explain why Ganondorf of TotK wants to return the world to “what it one was” (paraphrasing, I don’t remember his exact words).
@iLLiCiT_XL That’s awesome. I hadn’t considered that angle but it’s brilliant. My take comes from viewing Demise as derivative of Mikaboshi, acting as the dread star and representing the chaos of space - hence the belief that he can use the Triforce whereas Hylia was forbidden as his origin is not from Hyrule’s creation and means he is the “moon” to Hylias “Sun”. As the embodiment of darkness and endless space, it would explain how Demise “conquered time” and would explain the nature of assuming annhiliation of light. That said, I really like this perspective and super impressed with the thought process. A real treat to read thank you 💚
Happy Anniversary GS🎉🎉. Love your parallels bringing in LBW, a gem of a game kinda forgotten about since it is hard for many to access these days. Did you get a sneak peek at Nintendo HQ bc you were clearly reading their minds before the EoW trailer dropped 😂. When I saw it and the blending of elements from a handful of games along with the rifts, I immediately thought of you and the multiverse. In TOTK Zelda beckoned for Link to come find her, now Zelda will be traveling thru the rifts to find him. Great to hear from you friend and thanks for the banger vid
Awwww Chris it’s so good to hear from you and miss ya! Was chatting to the Mrs about not being able to catch up with you and the gang recently as something I need to sort out. Lol - didn’t get any insights from HQ but the Lorule aspect and stipulations here are part of the theory arc which is so far behind it’s ridiculous by now. Actually had this one scripted and working in edits months back but had issues holding me back including a bout of COVID amongst other things. As you know, I have an answer in mind for what’s happened and what’s coming and it’s a little spooky seeing things come out including TOTK and the recent EoW trailer hitting flush on the driving concepts. That said, the theory arc is based on the extensive OCD investigation of clues from the master puzzlers at Nintendo and I’m fairly sure Mr Fujibayashi is my kindred spirit in terms of leaving obscure clues and puzzles only the obsessive would find and piece together. I’m at the point where I’ve got a heap more that’s massive but I’m trying to build the supporting understanding with these theories almost piecemeal but it’s also a matter of balancing what I think without leading the audience - their ideas and interpretation are just as important and honestly brilliant so I pull short of any deliberate pathing for that reason. What ticks me off though is when people shut down the efforts of the team at Nintendo with nil effort in trying to find the answers themselves. But dude, I got some more really interesting stuff that I’ve been holding back for over 2 years now that I might need to drop soon just to get it off my chest. One in particular is going to be right up there for sounding whacky but it’s the culmination of a bunch of elements that would take a long time to explain but come together to make this an extremely compelling theory for me anyway. So far, it’s looking like that’s on the money and it relates to the series future and distant past. If correct, we have a lot more “holy cow” moments coming in the next few years. And then there’s the plans I am guessing no one is even considering but I know I am, and that’s also super cool although more speculative. Heaps to do - never enough time. But my friend, hearing from you guys always makes me smile, and honestly it’s why I keep doing the channel as personal work is off the chain atm. But will try to catch up soon my friend. Stay amazing 💫💚
That is a brilliant question! Love that train of thought and that’s got my mind going…thanks for your input on this one and sorry for the late reply 💚💫
How exciting is this!!! A new 2D Zelda game woohh!! I am beyond hyped to have a new game soon. It’ll definitely be interesting playing as Zelda. Also i also thought about lorule! OH MY GOD!!!! You’re the first person to agree with me, I broke out the books haha.
Hey Carrie! Of course you thought the same thing, you’re a genuine legend! Great to hear from you and thanks for the well wishes. Plenty more to discuss there and sorry for the late reply. All the best and hope to catch up soon 💚💫
I think there are far more similarities between Lorule, Termina, and the Twilight realm, though, there is an interesting possibility that they are, all three, the depths. One issue with connecting Lorule to the depths, is the sky. A possible solution to that is an illusory sky, which the series is no stranger to. Over all, though, if they are separate, it doesn't change the over all theory. I think the failure of wishes is more of an upkeep problem, rather than a life span problem. With the power and scope of the wish being tied to the will of the wisher, it follows that a wish tapers off with the upkeep of the wish after the person's passing. Not directly to the wish, mind you. Take the prosperity wish for example. If the people of the kingdom mindfully maintained that prosperity, the wish could effectively persist. Wishing for a person's death, on the other hand, should be a wish that needs no upkeep; the person wouldn't pop back to life as soon as the wisher dies. This also means that Hyrule could have been recovered after Wind Waker, though it may require yet another wish to do so. The theory you've outlined here also fits nicely with a going theory that sprung from when I originally tried to figure out what timeline Breath of the Wild fit into; and that the down fall time line is basically the world's natural state, and the other time lines tend towards that. Or, even that it's the most natural state, and even that timeline tends towards something even further from the other two time lines.
As always an absolutely banger reply and well thought out proposition for different perspectives and scenarios that are so interesting to consider - always love reading your replies thank you my friend 💚💫
Heya Flynnisthename, to be honest it was meant to be including more on that but unfortunately due to some personal reasons I had to cut this one shorter and the plan is to address that in the follow up, now well overdue. Sorry if it didn't cover the elements of EOW I certainly had planned on and will be presenting, albeit well late to the party by the time I get it done at this rate.
🎂 Celebrating 3 Years of GameSmiths! 💚💚
This Theory is waaaay late, so sorry for the delay. Interestingly though, it seems to line up well with the new Echoes of Wisdom game announcement!
Heaps more to talk about and in the works, so thanks for being patient. As always, I'd love to hear what you all think.
Keep being amazing 💚💚🌟🌟
What version of Stone Tower Temple is played in this video at 16:44 - 19:02 and can I find it on TH-cam?
Mimi.
@@michelled.4874Fairly sure this was Disc 2 from OST - I found a similar version
th-cam.com/video/oMSCjGJp8Gk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Nf1GkND3QjkgSili
Recommend also the ZREO version too
Glad to have you back GameSmiths. I hope everything has been good on your end and only getting better from here on out.
As for the video, your perspectives on wishes and their ability to break is shown in such an incredible way! I believe I know where you would like to continue this theory arc in terms of the future being redeemed as the controls of the past are eventually lost. I have worded it this way to keep your secrecy. As for the wishes in ALBW and ALTTP, I can't wait to see how EoW continues the use of wishes as we revisit the overworld of those two games.
I hope you have been well GameSmiths, keep on keeping on.
Hi Dan, great to hear from you and sorry it’s been a long time between catch ups. I’m looking forward to getting a heavy dose of shorts and sage words from your uploads hopefully this week. No doubt we are on the same page theory wise as always and I’ve got a heap more I’ve picked up well before the latest announcements so it’s good to see that lining up with the arc overall.
Exciting times ahead for Zelda as a whole.
Ironically it’s the channels 3 year anniversary with the first video being about playable Zelda so the recent announcement is somewhat on schedule for the celebration. The release date also coincides with the inspiration for that video so the coincidental nature of Zelda and real life continue to delight on my end. Hope you and yours are doing well my friend and hope to catch up soon. 💚💫
A wish that has mundane effects should have lasting mundane consequences. Hyrule won't face a downturn because the wish ends, but the safety net would be gone.
Lorules restoration was a unique case, in that the wish was made by both Link and Zelda. The blood of the goddess seems to prevent Zelda from making wishes on the Triforce herself, but with Link helping make that wish perhaps the blood of the goddess makes Zelda's "life" persistent to the wish?
Immortality itself may be why gods can't use the Triforce that way.
The Curse itself may be similarly persistent in part because it involves the goddess bloodline, and by it's very design it gave Demises hate the same immortal persistance.
...Which might raise questions about the spirit of the hero, as well.
Loooved this. Awesome comment and well put. Thank you 💚💫
@@gamesmiths Glad you like it! Wiz Catches Lightning and a few of the others seem a bit tired of my unhinged rambling theory sessions. Probably helps that I'm not dropping All That at once into a single TH-cam comment.
The nature of the Triforce wishes is more nuanced than I wish for this one exact thing. So far my research into the topic indicates that the Triforce wish is made at the moment of binding when someone claims the power of the full Triforce the wish seems to be to create the world that the user envisions. This is also proven to not be an instant victory as the Sealing war was a thing which means that its a wish that can be challenged.
As for the curse that was already broken by the end of Skyward sword which means that Ganon is irrelevant to the curse.
Interesting take and appreciated your input on this one - thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts 💚💫
@@gamesmiths I should elaborate on my comment about the curse. The reason I said that the curse is broken is because when Demise's remains are sealed within the sword in localization they state that Demise's mind was sealed in the sword however this is an incorrect translation the japanese word used can translate to thoughts though the context is different. The japanese context indicates the nature of the curse to be the remains of Demise that are confirmed by Fi to be destroyed by the end of the game.
My information about the japanese version and the context around it came from QuestWithAaron's video on what happened to Demise. He explains the japanese context better than me.
@@darkdagger5237 thanks for the extra context. The Japanese interpretations add a different perspective on so many examples of what is taken at face value so that’s really interesting to hear. Quest with Aaron does sensational work too. It’s an interesting thought and has implications on something else I’m looking into 💚💫
@@gamesmiths Too many people take the lore at face value and don't think to look deeper. Even the big name theorists have only scratched the surface not realizing how deep the lore is.
Funnily enough, I was just thinking about you! And then I noticed this video pop up last night. Excited to watch it. Hope all is well
Hey Wiz! Good to hear from you buddy - hope all is well on your side of town. Been way too long. Was thinking about you too recently - funny how things work out. Wishing you all the best brohan 💚💫
@@gamesmiths rock n roll 😎
I would consider that a curse is itself a malevolent wish. So they would operate similarly. But Demise’s curse was done so that it remains active as a hero and a blood descendant of Hylia emerge.
Love it. I’ve got my own personal view that Denise’s curse was simply an iteration of an existing opposition between (oversimplifying this part) forces of light and dark. Similar to our world, eras of peace always succumb to malicious forces driven by motive and eras of peace tend to follow the end of conflicts, but always at a cost. This leads back to my bigger questions surrounding why Demise had such hatred for the Gods in the first place and why he and the Demon tribe are, by all accounts, forced underground well before the pre-history of Skyward Sword. I’ve got an answer for that personally but that’s a whole other story, but I loved this comment. Really unique approach - thanks heaps 💚💫
@@gamesmiths I assumed that Demise and his demons ruled what existed before creation, and the Golden Goddesses stole that fork him. By giving form to the chaos that was the void, the stripped Demise of his domain. This would all explain why Ganondorf of TotK wants to return the world to “what it one was” (paraphrasing, I don’t remember his exact words).
@iLLiCiT_XL That’s awesome. I hadn’t considered that angle but it’s brilliant. My take comes from viewing Demise as derivative of Mikaboshi, acting as the dread star and representing the chaos of space - hence the belief that he can use the Triforce whereas Hylia was forbidden as his origin is not from Hyrule’s creation and means he is the “moon” to Hylias “Sun”. As the embodiment of darkness and endless space, it would explain how Demise “conquered time” and would explain the nature of assuming annhiliation of light. That said, I really like this perspective and super impressed with the thought process. A real treat to read thank you 💚
Happy Anniversary GS🎉🎉. Love your parallels bringing in LBW, a gem of a game kinda forgotten about since it is hard for many to access these days. Did you get a sneak peek at Nintendo HQ bc you were clearly reading their minds before the EoW trailer dropped 😂. When I saw it and the blending of elements from a handful of games along with the rifts, I immediately thought of you and the multiverse. In TOTK Zelda beckoned for Link to come find her, now Zelda will be traveling thru the rifts to find him. Great to hear from you friend and thanks for the banger vid
Awwww Chris it’s so good to hear from you and miss ya! Was chatting to the Mrs about not being able to catch up with you and the gang recently as something I need to sort out.
Lol - didn’t get any insights from HQ but the Lorule aspect and stipulations here are part of the theory arc which is so far behind it’s ridiculous by now. Actually had this one scripted and working in edits months back but had issues holding me back including a bout of COVID amongst other things. As you know, I have an answer in mind for what’s happened and what’s coming and it’s a little spooky seeing things come out including TOTK and the recent EoW trailer hitting flush on the driving concepts. That said, the theory arc is based on the extensive OCD investigation of clues from the master puzzlers at Nintendo and I’m fairly sure Mr Fujibayashi is my kindred spirit in terms of leaving obscure clues and puzzles only the obsessive would find and piece together. I’m at the point where I’ve got a heap more that’s massive but I’m trying to build the supporting understanding with these theories almost piecemeal but it’s also a matter of balancing what I think without leading the audience - their ideas and interpretation are just as important and honestly brilliant so I pull short of any deliberate pathing for that reason. What ticks me off though is when people shut down the efforts of the team at Nintendo with nil effort in trying to find the answers themselves. But dude, I got some more really interesting stuff that I’ve been holding back for over 2 years now that I might need to drop soon just to get it off my chest. One in particular is going to be right up there for sounding whacky but it’s the culmination of a bunch of elements that would take a long time to explain but come together to make this an extremely compelling theory for me anyway. So far, it’s looking like that’s on the money and it relates to the series future and distant past. If correct, we have a lot more “holy cow” moments coming in the next few years.
And then there’s the plans I am guessing no one is even considering but I know I am, and that’s also super cool although more speculative.
Heaps to do - never enough time. But my friend, hearing from you guys always makes me smile, and honestly it’s why I keep doing the channel as personal work is off the chain atm. But will try to catch up soon my friend. Stay amazing 💫💚
If the effects of a wish fade away with the death of the wishbearer, what if they became ghosts first?
That is a brilliant question! Love that train of thought and that’s got my mind going…thanks for your input on this one and sorry for the late reply 💚💫
How exciting is this!!! A new 2D Zelda game woohh!! I am beyond hyped to have a new game soon.
It’ll definitely be interesting playing as Zelda.
Also i also thought about lorule! OH MY GOD!!!! You’re the first person to agree with me, I broke out the books haha.
Hey Carrie! Of course you thought the same thing, you’re a genuine legend! Great to hear from you and thanks for the well wishes. Plenty more to discuss there and sorry for the late reply. All the best and hope to catch up soon 💚💫
I think there are far more similarities between Lorule, Termina, and the Twilight realm, though, there is an interesting possibility that they are, all three, the depths. One issue with connecting Lorule to the depths, is the sky. A possible solution to that is an illusory sky, which the series is no stranger to.
Over all, though, if they are separate, it doesn't change the over all theory. I think the failure of wishes is more of an upkeep problem, rather than a life span problem. With the power and scope of the wish being tied to the will of the wisher, it follows that a wish tapers off with the upkeep of the wish after the person's passing. Not directly to the wish, mind you. Take the prosperity wish for example. If the people of the kingdom mindfully maintained that prosperity, the wish could effectively persist. Wishing for a person's death, on the other hand, should be a wish that needs no upkeep; the person wouldn't pop back to life as soon as the wisher dies. This also means that Hyrule could have been recovered after Wind Waker, though it may require yet another wish to do so.
The theory you've outlined here also fits nicely with a going theory that sprung from when I originally tried to figure out what timeline Breath of the Wild fit into; and that the down fall time line is basically the world's natural state, and the other time lines tend towards that. Or, even that it's the most natural state, and even that timeline tends towards something even further from the other two time lines.
As always an absolutely banger reply and well thought out proposition for different perspectives and scenarios that are so interesting to consider - always love reading your replies thank you my friend 💚💫
I remember that when I was young I made my own version of link, it was called the missing link, and I dressed up as it for Halloween👀
Mystery my friend! Great to hear from you as always. Love the new logo btw and the comment was aces 💚💫
HEY MAN, I GOTTA BINGE WATCH ALL THE NEW VIDS, IVE STARTED PLAYING TOTK, GOTTA SAY, AMAZING ABSOLUTELY BLOODY WONDERFUL GAME
Also congrats on 3years!!!!!🎉
Thank you!!
Was so sure this was an EOW video when I clicked on it
Heya Flynnisthename, to be honest it was meant to be including more on that but unfortunately due to some personal reasons I had to cut this one shorter and the plan is to address that in the follow up, now well overdue. Sorry if it didn't cover the elements of EOW I certainly had planned on and will be presenting, albeit well late to the party by the time I get it done at this rate.
@@gamesmiths all good man!
4:31 is that the One Piece anime Narrator?!
😂😂 Not quite but this one gave me a laugh