So, I couldn't believe you were talking about Michael Ironside and Total Recall back to back, but then say, "I don't think we've seen any other movies with him in it, on the channel..", and I'm like "nooooo! Whaaaaat?!!! You just gunna forget about the MAIN antagonist of Total Recall?" Lol.... Oh! And then you also brought up the surviving general who gets found, being in Twins, but he was ALSO in Total Recall as the guy with the "old man baby" attached to his chest, hahahaha. Edit: meant to write this replying to Daniels pinned comment.
6-times Academy Award winner Dennis Muren supervised ILM, which used their extensive knowledge from Jurassic Park to create the practical and computer effects
Lets not get carried away. The bugs do look good, especially for 1997. But if they put these exact same bugs in a modern movie people would be calling the CG trash.
@Boronious duck Jesus man, what did you work on the effects team for the movie or something? What do you think "The FX still hold up to this day" means? Since you don't seems to know, I will tell you. It literally means that the FX in this older movie are good enough to pass in a modern movie. That's what that phrase means. And as you already pointed out, the FX in this movie would obviously NOT hold up in a modern movie. So please forgive me for disagreeing with somebody online. I know that has become a cardinal sin these days, and pathetic, weak, self conscious people such as yourself can't handle that, but I just can't seem to give a shit.
My favourite Wikipedia quote of all time: "In 1997, [Eric] Bruskotter had a role in the science fiction film Starship Troopers. During the film shoot he met Tami-Adrian George, who would accidentally kill his character in the movie and purposefully marry him in real life."
My favorite pointless fact about Starship Troopers: The shower scene with all of the naked people only happened because the Director agreed to also be naked while they were filming it.
Casper Van Dien and Jake Busey walked onto set with 13-inch prosthetic penises hanging from their groins. Apparently that did a lot to break the tension of group nudity.
I don't know if you guys fully appreciate how fucking GOOD the CGI was for this movie back in 1997. Even in 2021 it still decently holds up well, unlike many other more modern CGI sfx.
That's where the majority of the budget went in regards to making those bugs look as awesome as they do still to this day. They look like absolute garbage in the sequels thanks to having practically zero money for those films (they sucked anyway for a variety of reasons, especially the second one).
There's lots of incredible physical models too- all the starships were huge models with incredible details. There's a full sized arachnid bug for close-ups too.
It works so well because insect shells and insect movement are relatively easy. Much easier than skin or fabric, and movement where you have to see the muscles moving. Same with space ships. Knowing which stuff you can add digitally and what you have to do with props and pyrotechnics is the biggest part in making CG look good. But getting the lighting right is also a huge factor, and they really did that well here.
Mixture of CGI and practical-- similar to Jurassic park. If you have something real it can be part of the scene and interact. Matte paintings can be physical or digital and still build a complex world.
I had the pleasure of meeting Casper van Dien and his then fiancé Jennifer Wenger at a bar the night before a con in Co Kerry, Ireland. They had gotten engaged that day at the cliffs of Moher and were lovely to talk to. The following day at the con they not only remembered us when we approached for an autograph, but waived the Meet n greet charge (which is how they make their money) gave us free goodies and in the wind up, WE had to mnake excuses to leave before other people got pissed. Even then anytime we crossed paths throughout the day they either stopped again or it was a drive-by high five. Literally the exact opposite of "never meet your heroes/celebrities". Two of the genuinely nicest people I've ever met and am delighted to see they are still together going strong.
Been meaning to rewatch this film for a while. The film didn't really make waves when it came out but has definitely become a cult classic. Great reaction.
I'm strugglin heer. Hey SC! I agree though. Loved it when it first came out, but no one I knew seen it then. Years later friends were like "You see Starship Troopers?"
I remeber going to the theatre 6 times to watch this when I was 15/16 years old (It was rated 18 here in the UK so I had to sneak in) I LOVED it. Even at that age, the super satirical approach wasn't lost on me due to a love of 40k and fantasy.
The suicide of Veroheven in front of hollywood . Of couse he knew "serious , not serious ?" each 30 seconds was too difficult for the public.The center of the film is ... The public, nothing else. I imagine him takling to production "Look at the script , it is fantastik ! We are on the good way, time and money... Wait for the result." The message is only , I am not interested in Star wars or Avengers , use a yes man, I go home ! The end of directors , nothing else.
7:28 "At least they censored it..." Next shot literally has no censorship of the blood, violence and gore. Makes sense. XD "Would you like to know more?" "Noooo!!!" I laughed way too hard at that.
These bugs are creatures of pure brutality and violence, so much we cant even show you it's so horrific. Now that you see them as pure evil, look what they did to us humans. Look at all of it. Now don't you wanna kill them all? Propaganda
The war never ends. Characters are just replaced when they're killed, or they find someone better, and generation after generation follows them into the meat grinder. The film lets on that the humans know the bugs are organized, intelligent, and emotional. And that they probably invaded the Bug world first. None of that matters. Violence defines their existence -- recall the classroom scene at the beginning.
The war does end eventually because through out the other movies they refer to other wars as the second third and fourth bug war. I think the humans pulled out when the death toll is at its highest so they can recoup their losses and gather more meat for the grinder
The war does end eventually because through out the other movies they refer to other wars as the second third and fourth bug war. I think the humans pulled out when the death toll is at its highest so they can recoup their losses and gather more meat for the grinder
@@hereticalpaintjobsThe other movies are trash and any "lore" from them doesn't matter. With Starship Troopers you can go book lore or Paul Verhoeven movie lore, that's it.
@Felix-ix7ic I vet that lots of people hate the sequels but they're just as important to the movies lore especially since verhooven directed the third one too, I genuinely love the sequels (Except the second movie, it's a GREAT horror movie but not a good starship troopers movie)
This film is all tongue in cheek. It's not supposed to be taken seriously. You are supposed to laugh in certain places. Watching this film for the second time was a real treat knowing that...and a little bit more disturbing. Many messages are being presented here.
@@michaelgartly3753 War is definitely not a joke. Even though www.DrumsTheWord.com only alluded to what the film's Director, Paul Verhoeven, had stated in the DVD commentary; here's the context that might assist in this miscommunication problem: Paul Verhoeven said that the film's message is that "War makes fascists of us all". He intentionally elicited Nazi Germany's fashion, iconography, and propaganda because he saw it as a "natural evolution of the United States after WWII and Korean War." He continued to state in the video commentary, his satirical use of irony and hyperbole is "playing with fascism or fascist imagery to point out certain aspects of American society... of course, the movie is about 'Let's all go to war and let's all die.'" Verhoeven later discussed in the commentary that the theme and message of the movie made it difficult to produce due to political correctness, but "if it's insects that you can shoot to pieces, nobody cares." Consequently, Paul Verhoeven's verbal statements in the DVD commentary is where the "tongue and cheek," and "not to be taken seriously," references are from. I hope this explanation helps you understand what www.DrumsTheWord.com's reference was referring to, and perhaps a little bit more about the film you may not have known. Cheers!
@@DrumsTheWord it seems that I took the scenic route when developing and presenting my explanation lol. This happens quite often actually. Its mainly due to my, 30 tabs opened on chrome, easily distracted, find something interesting within the topic and spend hours reading about, ADHD self lmao
"I only Have One Rule, everyone fights, nobody quits. You don't do your job ill shoot you. You got me? " Micheal Ironside is just badass in that movie, captivating with his deep voice. Clancy Brown is also very fun in his role of Zim...MEDIC !!!
@@luc410 all those of us that where lucky enough to watch that series when it was first aired will always remember it. In fact, right now I'm under the impression that the lizards already arrived to Earth and replaced our leaders with copies...
I saw this while stationed at Fort Stewart in the late 90s. The parallels to the military service and recruiting for the military service were almost frightening.
@@KoolAidManOG not quite, some of us served on Op Granby/Desert Storm back in 1990/91, which was the first real TV war with blanket coverage and embedded reporters. You then had the Balkan war and the UN peace keeping force in 93, which lasted a fair while. Not quite peace. This is an enjoyable film and is better due to the satirical nature of it...
My Dad was a gruff hardcore Vietnam Vet who loved watching westerns, old movies, sports, and the news. He hated Science Fiction movies. BUT! He loooooved Starship Troopers. I mean, He LOVED this movie! Not Star Wars or Star Trek. STARSHIP TROOPERS. No matter what-- if it was on? He watched it. Rest his soul. Thanks @TBR Schmitt. You two brought back a great memory of him on this Father's Day.
I LOVE this movie. My dad made the mistake of taking me to see it in theaters when it released (I was fucking 9 years old, lmao). I've tried to get so many of my friends to understand its genius but most of them can't get over the camp/satire elements. The animated TV show that ran for a bit was equally awesome.
I was 17 went I saw it and a bunch of kids went to see it with two mothers as chaperone. Their horror and the kids delight made it absolutely priceless.
There's a bunch of little great things in this movie. The cyclical nature of war, Rico becoming his teacher and Carmen becoming her Captain. The fact that the war officially starts because a bug supposedly launched plasma out of it's ass, redirected an asteroid from the other side of the Milky Way and managed to hit Earth. The Federation needs war to survive and will seek an enemy to fight. This movie does a great job of putting you into their shoes and not having you think too much about the why of it all.
In the book the bugs didn't know where Earth was. That was why they wanted to get a hold of pilots to learn where Earth was so they could attack Earth directly. Rico stayed in the Mobile Infantry because his Mother was on Zegama Beach when the bugs put a rock into it.
Problem is that bugs actually DO attack us first with the meteors (in the book they attack first as well with the nukes). You can even see that bugs send more meteors our way in the movie, but after the first one "the orbital defence is better than ever" and manage to stop the next meteor. If Federation wouldn't do anything bugs would obliterate us in the end.
Along with Michael Ironside and Marshall Bell who played the general in this, the host for Kuato in Total Recall as well as the assassin in Twins, Dean Norris also has a part in Total Recall, he plays Tony, one of the mutants. Also Michael Ironside was at one point supposed to play the lead in Robocop, but with the suit on he ended up looking too bulky, so Peter Weller was cast instead. Paul Verhoeven likes to cast the same people in different projects.
They made a few cheap direct-to-video follow-up movies that aren't really worth your time. They also made a couple of full CG film sequels that were much better. But the best is the CG animated TV series "Roughnecks: Starship Troopers". That's awesome and tells you a lot more about the bugs. Like how they move from planet to planet.
@@markongchangco1537 Really hope that's more than just a rumor. I just finished binging the cartoon recently, and a final campaign would be a nice conclusion and send off.
Roughnecks was MUCH closer to the book, even though it was still very different... I am still looking forward to the day that someone makes a book accurate movie of this that does not inject the director's politics into it. I do LOVE this movie though, even though it is SO different. Like... Why is Juan Rico white instead of a Filipino like he is in the book(and why did they change his name to John Rico)??? Also, in the book humans used power armor, and their weapons were so powerful that they had to stay WAY away from each other to prevent killing each other. The bugs had guns and spaceships also, but were individually only a little(if any) stronger than a human(and the worker bugs, which looked almost the same, were almost totally incapable of fighting). The bugs were winning because it was almost impossible to get rid of them once they had tunneled into a planet. And the warrior bugs were born already knowing how to fight, and were willing to sacrifice any number of any bugs that were not either brain bugs or royal bugs.
This is one of those rarities where I love the book and movie equally, despite the huge differences, and I completely understand why the changes were made. In the book, each trooper wore an armored power suit and would be dropped to the planet individually from the starships in orbit (no dropships). There was also a third alien race, called the Skinnies. Both were dropped from the movie for budgetary reasons, although both can be seen in the CG animated series Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles
I recall reading, or hearing in the commentary section of this movie, that Basil Poledouris' daughter is the one singing the song in the prom scene, and that the song is actually a David Bowie song, but I think they changed up some of the lyrics.
Casper Van Dien (Rico) has said in multiple interviews over the years that people on the street still yell at him "Rico! You know what to do." He says it's to the point that Rico is his second name. He has a story that at a fan signing an actual enlisted male came up to him and said he had a squad in the military that all got the "Death from Above," Tattoo that Rico had in the movie as a brand for their family in the military. He and the director seem to really love the character at this point.
I guy I know worked with Casper Van Dien and got him to sign his DVD copy of the movie. He said Casper was a really nice guy, great to work with and loved talking about Starship Troopers.
@@gta1kev There's a interview with him saying that he was just pumping his gas and someone yelled at full volume "Rico's Roughnecks!" He says he awkwardly just yelled back 'you know what to do," lol.
This one's a cult classic! The reason you were able to spot so many recognizable faces is because this was built as the next huge sci-fi hit franchise akin to Aliens, Predator, Terminator, RoboCop, etc. so a lot of the new stars wanted in and made the cast.
The movie tips its hand when the recruitment officer says, "The mobile infantry made me the man I am today." He has a robotic arm when he shakes ricos hand. He pulls back and shows he has no legs. Get it?
The propaganda speaks truth, we know they’re bad because we see them disregard human life, they make no distinction between civilian and soldier, adult or child and seem intent on wiping out humanity. The only good bug is a dead bug.
@@Daniel_Soto the humans did not knowingly do this, any other civilised species would at least ask for them to leave. The fact that the bugs respond with total war against humanity implies an inherent incompatible existence with humans and other individualist species that act according to their own desire. Since the bugs are a hive-mind, they cannot conceive of a worldview that is out of harmony or chaotic as humans are.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this this yet.. Rue McClanahan (Golden Girls, Blanche Devereaux) was their teacher in the class where they were disecting that little beetle bug.
Jake Busey is in the latest Predator, and his dad was actually proud about it; both of them being in the Predator franchise. It was even confirmed that Jake's character is the son of Gary's character in Predator 2. 😅
Exactly. They would make you do quite grueling and vile jobs, as the point was self-sacrifice which leads to the mindset of service before self which is how they view governing. Everyone had the right to citizenship and they could not stop you, you had to willingly give it up (I think the only exception were those with mental disabilities preventing cognition).
In the original book, yes (but not any public service: it has to be something with a high risk of death or injury). I don't know if the same is true in the film.
@@neilgriffiths6427 not in the book. You have to volunteer for Federal Service for two+ years, and what that service is will be assigned based on your aptitudes. And whatever it is, it has to involve risking life and limb to do something of benefit to the Federation, whether that be field-testing spacesuits, scientific research on a remote base, or military service.
The first time I saw it, I thought it was mindless entertainment for juveniles who dig blood and gore. The whole thing went completely over my head. Then I learned what it really was. Brilliant satire! You need to dig deeper.
Satire of a book that the director never read. He completely didn't get the point of the book because he pushed his political beliefs onto it. Fun movie though.
because people get butthurt and fall down crying if you even HINT that you are going to make a joke that they would consider offensive. cant make any movies like this anymore because people lost the ability to not be whiny little bitches
I'm guessing it's because Hollywood just doesn't attract the talent they used to. Now it's all hacks that want to reboot or "reimagine" an existing IP for ego points and quick cash, while the real talent goes independent and releases their stuff via a different medium.
@@CrimRui I really think social media only plays a roll because Hollywood thinks it does. It's pretty rare for social media organized boycotts to really get anywhere when you look at the actual cash brought in. Conversely, pandering to the Twitter crowd doesn't really bring in more business. That's because the people who complain the most online usually aren't fans in the first place, but because the heads of these big companies are still terrified of bad publicity they keep treating social media like it's real life even when it pisses off actual fans. On the other hand I get a lot of my content from independent creators. Books, videos and games you can find by some very talented people. These people know their audience, and they don't give a crap what Twitter types say. Because of that I've seen plenty of things that are grossly offensive, yet if you look at the creator's patreon or subscribestar they're making good money. Talent goes where the money is and the Hollywood companies are left with the dregs.
In hindsight I find it amazing that this film was made six years before the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars. It could easily be an allegory for those as much as anything.
No it couldn't. You're just a midwit. This is like the meme about the guy who's only ever seen the movie Boss Baby, and when he watches any other movie he goes "I'm getting major Boss Baby vibes from this". Cause it's the only other movie he's ever seen. And by the way, the test for whether you're just a midwit or a bona fide dimwit is if you think I'm saying you've only ever seen Starship Troopers.
FYI: 6:18 The guy stamping their papers played the Autopsy Doctor in CSI, he was picked for this role because he is an actual double amputee; 7:50 Not only was he the guard from Shawshank, but he's also the voice actor for Mr. Crabs in SpongeBob; 8:34 And that is Jake Busey, Gary's son; 9:43 Amy Smart was 21 when this film was made; The original book was a political commentary (which a huge amount of Sci-Fi books at the time were). In the book, the soldiers who had fought in a recent war got feed up with the corruption of the governments and pulled a worldwide coup d'etat and bought in a two-tier system, where you only had the right to vote if you had put your life on the line to protect the planet.
@JSB Why yes. Yes, it is. I can't claim that it's "mine" exclusively, it's just a friendly little closing. Plus, I don't mind putting my name to anything that I write. Best. Leo.
Starship Troopers was a book from around 1959, it's "based" in South America with the lead being Juan Rico. It was required reading for the cast of Aliens - the marines, dropships, scanners, pulse rifles, power loader Ripley uses, all came from Starship Troopers
@@JDelwynn like missing part when Carmen says to Rico that her father was worrying about her and spoke like they won't see each other alive anymore? Which turned out to be true and he may have been latent psychich. Like them outright ignoring the failures of democracy and "what is given has no value" principle of Federation? Like them calling practical effects as CGI bugs? If anything they seen less than average cinema goer.
@@Warspite1701 It's got some funny moments here and there but it's very hit and miss. I still crack up at the Tom Jones stuff and the line Sylvia Sidney had of "They blew up Congress!"
This is the best tube edit of this film I've seen by far. Included almost all the best parts. You guys also make insightful and logical observations that are still funny without relying on anything else. Love your stuff.
You have seen something with Michael Ironside: Total Recall. He was Cohagen’s (Ronny Cox) main henchman who gets his arms fucking chopped by that elevator. And Cohagen was Dick Jones, the OCP executive bad guy in Robocop. Verhoeven tended to reuse actors across movies.
SEE YOU AT THE PARTY, RICHTER! Michael Ironside is a great on-screen actor, yet my favorite of his portrayals is Sam Fisher from the original Splinter Cell series of games.
I think it’s interesting to consider that the bugs weren’t really the in the wrong. It’s implied that humanity might have been encroaching on their territory. Perhaps they were just defending themselves. But we’re seeing it from humanity’s point of view so the audience will assume we’re the good guys and the “others” are naturally bad. That’s why the movie is presented as propaganda.
This is why war movies really need both sides to be shown because there is always heroes on both sides. The brain bug is basically doing what NPH was doing to the drones. Fucking them up just to see what makes them tick and figure out how to beat them.
@@VenomKpp but that was sort of the point, it’s one sided, it’s our side or theirs and ours will win! Also wasn’t it that it’s actually never confirmed that the meators are coming from the bugs, that’s it’s just an excuse to wage war on a planet with bugs, for no real reason whatsoever
That puts the moral fault on the bugs even still. We KNOW the bugs share a similar intelligence level of humans because they can think strategically and tactically, luring us into traps and the lot. The Bugs are fully aware of what they are doing. But unlike any other civilisation that may ask to see humans removed from their territory, the bugs respond with total war! Wiping out an independent colony of peaceful people, and proceeded to wipeout Buenos Aires, creating the largest disaster in human history with 8 million dead. The moral fault is with the bugs.
Paul Verhoeven's filmography is a treasure trove. His sci-fi trilogy is great but most of his other films are just as good if not better. One I highly recommend is Flesh+Blood with Rutger Hauer and Jennifer Jason Leigh, which is his best film in my opinion and is highly underrated.
styxx, the movie differs enough from the book to sometimes make me uncomfortable, but it does capture the spirit rather well. And to make "Dizzy" Flores a beautiful woman and Juan's love interest was genius. And did you notice that the way Dizzy died in the movie was exactly like in the book, albeit at a different point?
The book is amazing it’s definitely worth a read and goes so much farther in depth with the concept of civilian vs citizen and the formation of the world government in the movie. The book never specifies if there are other routes to citizenship but does make it clear that the only guaranteed way to citizenship is through service. There’s a lot of amazing themes discussed in the book and some twists that do not occur in the film. It’s not very long only a couple hundred pages but one of the best coming of age war stories I’ve ever read
the book is amanzing! I finished this week and it really is very different from the movie, much more serious and theres lots of differences between book and movie.
@@jonnardy1520 I'd say they are two different messages. The book is a pro military anti communism story and the movie is a parody of fascism. Both are great, but the movie is much more relevant to today, IMO.
Thing that impressed me most though was the equipment of the Mobile Infantry in the book. Consider the time it was originally written, and the gear he described they used. Man was decades ahead of his time.
@@Lucklaran Yep, Heinlein who was an engineer btw coming up with the Mobile Infantry combat suits kinda invented "Mechs" or Mechas if you would, way ahead of time and sure was the basis of the Space Marines from Warhammer 40k.
@@Lucklaran Heinlein is known for popularizing armored suits in Science Fiction with Starship Troopers. There may have been a couple of stories before ST with armored combat suits but that's the novel that really blew up the idea and it's been very commonly used in military science fiction ever since, both in books and other media.
There seems to be some confusion; Verhoeven didn't make this movie as an excuse for soldiers to encounter bugs. This movie is based on the sci-fi classic novel, Starship Troopers (1959) by Robert Heinlein. However, the book dives deeper into other themes and topics (in addition to bugs) and the movie deviates from it...like a lot. Director Verhoeven admitted to reading the first few chapters, getting bored with it, and then creating the rest of movie with his vision.
And by based he means that they threw out most of the good stuff except some characters and the basic structure, and Verhoven went on record saying he never read it. Loosely inspired is closer to the truth.
SkullAngel002 -- Seriously!? I always thought it was the remake of the Japanese anime from the late '70s - early'80s by the (nearly?) same name... It was very colorful and action packed with a story line that followed the 'Earth forces' fighting the invading insects from that were headed toward Earth to inhabit... Does anyone recall that anime I am thinking of? --What was the title of that? Me and all the little boys in grade school used to run home from school each day to catch it on TV. :-)
I saw this movie for the first time when I was 15 and Loved it because of the Bugs. Watching it when I got older and being able to appreciate the social commentary and critiques makes it so much better.
In case someone hasn’t mentioned it, the officer that was hiding at the overrun base was Cuatto (dude with the mutant “baby” attached to his side) in Total Recall! Nice reaction as always!
I totally agree with you two - Dizz was definitely a better partner for Rico compared to Carmen! If anything, Rico wasn't awesome enough to deserve Dizz, imho! Like, she followed him to his unit and saved the day and then freaking dies in such a bullshit way and Carmen gets the guy. MEH!
If you want to catch Clancy Brown (the guard from Shawshank) early in his career, you have GOT to react to Highlander from 1986! It's a cult classic with Sean Connery. Brown plays a fantastic bad guy.
My wife was supposed to have been an extra in this movie however she was living with her mom and grandfather at the time and they told her they would kick her out if she went back for filming.So she listened to them and still feels it was one of the worst decisions of her life.
My friend and I went to be extras in the crowd in the football scene. But in the end we were too big for the uniforms they had available. (And back then we were too big, not too fat lol)
They're all wearing German uniforms. It's just the Gestapo uniforms that are easiest to recognize. Verhoeven was a kid in German occupied Netherlands during the war... he's not being subtle about what he thinks of Heinlein's Federation.
@@MW-cx3sb You clearly don't know what fascism is. Some pilgrims sought refuge on another planet. The bugs overreacted and instigated a mass genocide. You're mindlessly following what Buzzfeed told you to feel about this.
Once again it's such a hoot watching you two watch movies I am so familiar with! I'll tell you -- for the most part, the special effects in this blood bath still hold up. Glad you enjoyed this demented little soufflé!
I have to admit, even though I love the movie and the book and don't think it has anything to do with fascism, the Doogie Himmler meme still cracks me up.
That's Zoe Pouldouris, daughter of composer Basil Poledouris, singing a cover of David Bowies I Have Not Been to Oxford Town at the prom dance. Ominous foreshadowing when she sings the line "All is well."
Robocop AND Starship Troopers in one week? You guys are legends, and I'm so glad you dug it!! Yes, this movie has a stacked cast, but the problem is they're almost all famous for roles they played AFTER this film! For me, it's always been a case of seeing them in stuff and saying "Hey, they were in Starship Troopers!" It's so sad that this movie got very little recognition at the time of release. Like with Fight Club, the satire went over most critic's heads at the time and it was seen as a blatantly fascist, militaristic film. It was also fatally hampered by its box office competition, as a little movie called Titanic came out at the same time. I was soooooo looking forward to seeing this at the cinema, and it barely even played over here in England so I missed it. Damn sinking ships!
Space Bugs!? Violence!? Nukes & Nudity!? Would you like to know more!?
Thank you for your support citizens!
Awesome review guys Paul Verhoevens 90s finest
U got to see black book (zwartboek) its has Carice also in... its about The Hague and the war in 1945
Lol! Were doing our part!!
Please read the book!
Anybody else not getting any sound?
Brilliant film. Just like any good propaganda, it constantly lies to the audience. Worth multiple viewings.
“He looks like Gary Busey...does Gary Busey have a brother?” 😂😂😂. He in fact has a son.
No DNA test needed for him.
Jake Busey.
No resemblance, obviously.
@@user-dz6fy6qv2l Just basic visual dental records. "Teeth. Can only be a Busey."
And he plays violin
So, I couldn't believe you were talking about Michael Ironside and Total Recall back to back, but then say, "I don't think we've seen any other movies with him in it, on the channel..", and I'm like "nooooo! Whaaaaat?!!! You just gunna forget about the MAIN antagonist of Total Recall?" Lol.... Oh! And then you also brought up the surviving general who gets found, being in Twins, but he was ALSO in Total Recall as the guy with the "old man baby" attached to his chest, hahahaha.
Edit: meant to write this replying to Daniels pinned comment.
Whoever did the visuals on the bugs is an FX hero because they still hold up today.
6-times Academy Award winner Dennis Muren supervised ILM, which used their extensive knowledge from Jurassic Park to create the practical and computer effects
I'm amazed at how well this movie in general holds up, especially considering the... the ones we don't talk about... *shudders*
The mouth of the Brain Bug was affectionately known by the effects team as the 'poopgina'.
For obvious reasons.
Lets not get carried away. The bugs do look good, especially for 1997. But if they put these exact same bugs in a modern movie people would be calling the CG trash.
@Boronious duck Jesus man, what did you work on the effects team for the movie or something?
What do you think "The FX still hold up to this day" means? Since you don't seems to know, I will tell you. It literally means that the FX in this older movie are good enough to pass in a modern movie. That's what that phrase means.
And as you already pointed out, the FX in this movie would obviously NOT hold up in a modern movie.
So please forgive me for disagreeing with somebody online. I know that has become a cardinal sin these days, and pathetic, weak, self conscious people such as yourself can't handle that, but I just can't seem to give a shit.
My favourite Wikipedia quote of all time:
"In 1997, [Eric] Bruskotter had a role in the science fiction film Starship Troopers. During the film shoot he met Tami-Adrian George, who would accidentally kill his character in the movie and purposefully marry him in real life."
Well, now, that's my favorite Wikipedia quote, too!
Guess its better than killing purposefully and marrying accidentally...
@@mattp6089 Dunno, that could be an awesome movie script! :D
Haha wow I love that! Had no idea.
Okay that's amazing
My favorite pointless fact about Starship Troopers:
The shower scene with all of the naked people only happened because the Director agreed to also be naked while they were filming it.
Same nude shower scene with the cops in Robocop
Casper Van Dien and Jake Busey walked onto set with 13-inch prosthetic penises hanging from their groins. Apparently that did a lot to break the tension of group nudity.
I don't know if you guys fully appreciate how fucking GOOD the CGI was for this movie back in 1997. Even in 2021 it still decently holds up well, unlike many other more modern CGI sfx.
Indeed. This one is a one off though, sins the sequels gets progressively worse CGI (amongst other things).
@@7Rendar The sequels also had much lower budgets.
That's where the majority of the budget went in regards to making those bugs look as awesome as they do still to this day. They look like absolute garbage in the sequels thanks to having practically zero money for those films (they sucked anyway for a variety of reasons, especially the second one).
There's lots of incredible physical models too- all the starships were huge models with incredible details.
There's a full sized arachnid bug for close-ups too.
It works so well because insect shells and insect movement are relatively easy. Much easier than skin or fabric, and movement where you have to see the muscles moving. Same with space ships.
Knowing which stuff you can add digitally and what you have to do with props and pyrotechnics is the biggest part in making CG look good. But getting the lighting right is also a huge factor, and they really did that well here.
"Is that the guard from Shawshank?" That is Clancy Brown. The Kurgen. Time for you two to see Highlander! It has one of the best soundtracks!
"There can be only one!"
"Here we are! Born to be kings! We are the princes of the universe!"
Also the voice of Lex Luthor from the Superman/Justice League animated series, as well as Mr. Krabbs from Spongebob.
And one of the worst actors lol
It's better to burn out, than fade away."
The female anatomy teacher is actually Blanche from "Golden Girls"!
How have I never noticed that.
Makes sense, Blanche is very knowledgable about anatomy
@@mrandrews3616 Lmao!
Yup, that's Rue Mcclanahan as the biology teacher
It's unreal how well the special effects hold up in this.
Mixture of CGI and practical-- similar to Jurassic park. If you have something real it can be part of the scene and interact.
Matte paintings can be physical or digital and still build a complex world.
in the first movie yes the other movies are just crap
I had the pleasure of meeting Casper van Dien and his then fiancé Jennifer Wenger at a bar the night before a con in Co Kerry, Ireland.
They had gotten engaged that day at the cliffs of Moher and were lovely to talk to.
The following day at the con they not only remembered us when we approached for an autograph, but waived the Meet n greet charge (which is how they make their money) gave us free goodies and in the wind up, WE had to mnake excuses to leave before other people got pissed. Even then anytime we crossed paths throughout the day they either stopped again or it was a drive-by high five.
Literally the exact opposite of "never meet your heroes/celebrities". Two of the genuinely nicest people I've ever met and am delighted to see they are still together going strong.
Plus, he's HOT AS FUCK!!!!! That whipping scene got a LOT of play in my house back in the day!!!!!!
I always hated that his career kind of fizzled out he had a great presence and was a good actor
Yes, Casper is legendary as being one of the few actors who are truly stand up guys
@@r.g.o3879 That's probably cause he never cowtowed to all the creeps and assholes in pedowood
. Choose your roles wisley
Yup, that is Gary Busey's son Jake.
Can't mistake those set of chompers.
Been meaning to rewatch this film for a while. The film didn't really make waves when it came out but has definitely become a cult classic.
Great reaction.
I remember watching this in the theaters when I was in the army. Slightly different prospective.
Kind of had the same outcome and history like movies such as The Thing (although, while ST is a great movie, it pales in comparison to The Thing).
I'm strugglin heer. Hey SC! I agree though. Loved it when it first came out, but no one I knew seen it then. Years later friends were like "You see Starship Troopers?"
Rico's strugglin' through the whole thing like some sort of bogun, mate... ;D
I remeber going to the theatre 6 times to watch this when I was 15/16 years old (It was rated 18 here in the UK so I had to sneak in) I LOVED it. Even at that age, the super satirical approach wasn't lost on me due to a love of 40k and fantasy.
I completely lost it at >>
"WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?"
Both: "N .. no."
Awesome reaction video again! \o/
Came to the comments for this after watching that reaction 3 times. LOL
That line is in Conan the barbarian
desires to know more
"Is that Xander?" "Yeah, you could see at the back of his head"
OH the FORESHADOWING
Probably THE most underrated action/sci-fi film of the 1990's.
The suicide of Veroheven in front of hollywood . Of couse he knew "serious , not serious ?" each 30 seconds was too difficult for the public.The center of the film is ... The public, nothing else.
I imagine him takling to production "Look at the script , it is fantastik ! We are on the good way, time and money... Wait for the result."
The message is only , I am not interested in Star wars or Avengers , use a yes man, I go home !
The end of directors , nothing else.
7:28 "At least they censored it..."
Next shot literally has no censorship of the blood, violence and gore. Makes sense. XD
"Would you like to know more?"
"Noooo!!!"
I laughed way too hard at that.
These bugs are creatures of pure brutality and violence, so much we cant even show you it's so horrific. Now that you see them as pure evil, look what they did to us humans. Look at all of it. Now don't you wanna kill them all?
Propaganda
Starship Troopers: "Everyone's In This Movie." Love your callouts.
The war never ends. Characters are just replaced when they're killed, or they find someone better, and generation after generation follows them into the meat grinder. The film lets on that the humans know the bugs are organized, intelligent, and emotional. And that they probably invaded the Bug world first. None of that matters. Violence defines their existence -- recall the classroom scene at the beginning.
The war does end eventually because through out the other movies they refer to other wars as the second third and fourth bug war.
I think the humans pulled out when the death toll is at its highest so they can recoup their losses and gather more meat for the grinder
The war does end eventually because through out the other movies they refer to other wars as the second third and fourth bug war.
I think the humans pulled out when the death toll is at its highest so they can recoup their losses and gather more meat for the grinder
@@hereticalpaintjobsThe other movies are trash and any "lore" from them doesn't matter. With Starship Troopers you can go book lore or Paul Verhoeven movie lore, that's it.
@Felix-ix7ic I vet that lots of people hate the sequels but they're just as important to the movies lore especially since verhooven directed the third one too, I genuinely love the sequels
(Except the second movie, it's a GREAT horror movie but not a good starship troopers movie)
This film is all tongue in cheek. It's not supposed to be taken seriously. You are supposed to laugh in certain places. Watching this film for the second time was a real treat knowing that...and a little bit more disturbing. Many messages are being presented here.
How do you know it's not supposed to be taken seriously? You think Iraq War is JOKE? Is no joke!
@@michaelgartly3753 Good grief...did NOT expect that reply!
@@michaelgartly3753 Watch this, Michael...and calm down a little... th-cam.com/video/OkEdyq3UE5M/w-d-xo.html
@@michaelgartly3753 War is definitely not a joke. Even though www.DrumsTheWord.com only alluded to what the film's Director, Paul Verhoeven, had stated in the DVD commentary; here's the context that might assist in this miscommunication problem:
Paul Verhoeven said that the film's message is that "War makes fascists of us all". He intentionally elicited Nazi Germany's fashion, iconography, and propaganda because he saw it as a "natural evolution of the United States after WWII and Korean War." He continued to state in the video commentary, his satirical use of irony and hyperbole is "playing with fascism or fascist imagery to point out certain aspects of American society... of course, the movie is about 'Let's all go to war and let's all die.'" Verhoeven later discussed in the commentary that the theme and message of the movie made it difficult to produce due to political correctness, but "if it's insects that you can shoot to pieces, nobody cares."
Consequently, Paul Verhoeven's verbal statements in the DVD commentary is where the "tongue and cheek," and "not to be taken seriously," references are from.
I hope this explanation helps you understand what www.DrumsTheWord.com's reference was referring to, and perhaps a little bit more about the film you may not have known. Cheers!
@@DrumsTheWord it seems that I took the scenic route when developing and presenting my explanation lol. This happens quite often actually. Its mainly due to my, 30 tabs opened on chrome, easily distracted, find something interesting within the topic and spend hours reading about, ADHD self lmao
Michael Ironside when he says, "They sucked his brains out!" is one of my favorite lines of any movie ever.
"I only Have One Rule, everyone fights, nobody quits. You don't do your job ill shoot you. You got me? " Micheal Ironside is just badass in that movie, captivating with his deep voice. Clancy Brown is also very fun in his role of Zim...MEDIC !!!
Again, for me he'll always be the tough guy of the resistance from V, the series of the 80s
@@angelluisf7730 dang, i remember V
@@angelluisf7730 Sam Fisher in Splinter Cell for me ! Met him in real live, really cool guy, have fun with his fans ! :)
@@luc410 all those of us that where lucky enough to watch that series when it was first aired will always remember it.
In fact, right now I'm under the impression that the lizards already arrived to Earth and replaced our leaders with copies...
Such a great show
That's Jake Busey, Gary Busey's son.
Jake cocky doodie Busey
Buck-tooth Jr.
I saw this while stationed at Fort Stewart in the late 90s. The parallels to the military service and recruiting for the military service were almost frightening.
What's amazing about this film was that the satire went over most people's heads on its release.
Still does for a lot of people
@@Eidlones Some of those just willfully misunderstand though, because they are kinda fash themselves.
The over-the-top propaganda is just XD....
The movie came out in the 90s during a period of peace. Starship Troopers hits way different since the Iraq War, now Verhoeven's point is super clear
@@KoolAidManOG not quite, some of us served on Op Granby/Desert Storm back in 1990/91, which was the first real TV war with blanket coverage and embedded reporters. You then had the Balkan war and the UN peace keeping force in 93, which lasted a fair while. Not quite peace.
This is an enjoyable film and is better due to the satirical nature of it...
My Dad was a gruff hardcore Vietnam Vet who loved watching westerns, old movies, sports, and the news. He hated Science Fiction movies. BUT! He loooooved Starship Troopers. I mean, He LOVED this movie! Not Star Wars or Star Trek. STARSHIP TROOPERS. No matter what-- if it was on? He watched it. Rest his soul. Thanks @TBR Schmitt. You two brought back a great memory of him on this Father's Day.
I am so appreciative of your Dad's Service. Hope you have a great day.
@@susanalexander6721 Thank you. Hope you have a great day as well.
Was that Gary Bucey, no. It was Gary’s son.
Jake Busey.
As seen in The Predator...
FYI, the assassin from Twins was also the Kuato host guy in Total Recall, and Michael Ironside was Richter.
Michael ironside loses his legs in this movie and his arms in total recall
I LOVE this movie. My dad made the mistake of taking me to see it in theaters when it released (I was fucking 9 years old, lmao). I've tried to get so many of my friends to understand its genius but most of them can't get over the camp/satire elements. The animated TV show that ran for a bit was equally awesome.
I was 17 went I saw it and a bunch of kids went to see it with two mothers as chaperone. Their horror and the kids delight made it absolutely priceless.
Yes! That show was one of my must watches in the morning as a kid.
"What's your malfunction, Rico?" Any female that battles giants bugs in order to be close to you is the one.
There's a bunch of little great things in this movie. The cyclical nature of war, Rico becoming his teacher and Carmen becoming her Captain. The fact that the war officially starts because a bug supposedly launched plasma out of it's ass, redirected an asteroid from the other side of the Milky Way and managed to hit Earth. The Federation needs war to survive and will seek an enemy to fight. This movie does a great job of putting you into their shoes and not having you think too much about the why of it all.
Sounds like the American war machine complex
Yes. Federation needs resources. In real life it means "If you have resources, then you are an insect".
In the book the bugs didn't know where Earth was.
That was why they wanted to get a hold of pilots to learn where Earth was so they could attack Earth directly.
Rico stayed in the Mobile Infantry because his Mother was on Zegama Beach when the bugs put a rock into it.
Earth actually started the war by colonizing "bug" planets.
Problem is that bugs actually DO attack us first with the meteors (in the book they attack first as well with the nukes). You can even see that bugs send more meteors our way in the movie, but after the first one "the orbital defence is better than ever" and manage to stop the next meteor. If Federation wouldn't do anything bugs would obliterate us in the end.
The Quote “come on you apes! You wanna live forever!” Is an actual quote from a Marine Officer during the Battle of Somme in WORLD WAR I
Which Marines? Because the United States did not participate in the Battle of the Somme - it was over before the US entered the war.
@@markhamstra1083 oh damn.. I am wrong it wasn’t the battle of Somme it was Belleau Wood.. and it was SGM. Dan Daly was the one who said it
Its a similar quote from Frederick the Great of Prussia
Along with Michael Ironside and Marshall Bell who played the general in this, the host for Kuato in Total Recall as well as the assassin in Twins, Dean Norris also has a part in Total Recall, he plays Tony, one of the mutants.
Also Michael Ironside was at one point supposed to play the lead in Robocop, but with the suit on he ended up looking too bulky, so Peter Weller was cast instead. Paul Verhoeven likes to cast the same people in different projects.
They made a few cheap direct-to-video follow-up movies that aren't really worth your time. They also made a couple of full CG film sequels that were much better. But the best is the CG animated TV series "Roughnecks: Starship Troopers". That's awesome and tells you a lot more about the bugs. Like how they move from planet to planet.
Traitor of Mars is really well done in my opinion. It also shows how immortal Rico is to be honest.
There was a rumor that the CG series was getting picked up for continuation.
@@markongchangco1537 Really hope that's more than just a rumor. I just finished binging the cartoon recently, and a final campaign would be a nice conclusion and send off.
2 wasn't that great but 3 was a whole lot better of a sequel
Roughnecks was MUCH closer to the book, even though it was still very different...
I am still looking forward to the day that someone makes a book accurate movie of this that does not inject the director's politics into it. I do LOVE this movie though, even though it is SO different.
Like... Why is Juan Rico white instead of a Filipino like he is in the book(and why did they change his name to John Rico)???
Also, in the book humans used power armor, and their weapons were so powerful that they had to stay WAY away from each other to prevent killing each other. The bugs had guns and spaceships also, but were individually only a little(if any) stronger than a human(and the worker bugs, which looked almost the same, were almost totally incapable of fighting). The bugs were winning because it was almost impossible to get rid of them once they had tunneled into a planet. And the warrior bugs were born already knowing how to fight, and were willing to sacrifice any number of any bugs that were not either brain bugs or royal bugs.
Can’t believe nobody’s mentioned that the drill sergeant is also Mr Krabs from spongebob.
I cant believe nobody mentioned that the drill Sargent is the fucking Kurgan
@@jacknewell1847 right! I noticed that within seconds of seeing him first time!
This is one of those rarities where I love the book and movie equally, despite the huge differences, and I completely understand why the changes were made. In the book, each trooper wore an armored power suit and would be dropped to the planet individually from the starships in orbit (no dropships). There was also a third alien race, called the Skinnies. Both were dropped from the movie for budgetary reasons, although both can be seen in the CG animated series Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles
Neat!
According to IMDb, the fascist elements in the book were more or less played straight which is what led to the film being more satirical
Unironically in my top 3 favourite movies of all time. Endlessly rewatchable
"The guard from Green Mile" is Clancy Brown. Is also the villain in Highlander. And MR FREAKIN KRABS. And so many others. He has had a long career.
He'll always be the Kurgan to me. Holy ground highlander!
He's also in "Blue Steel" with Jamie Lee Curtis and "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai".
He did an amazing job in HBO's old Carnivale series.
@@kroft6799 I'm in disguise.
@@adgato75 It's better to burn out, than to fade away!
That's Jake Busey Gary's son. He was probably about 24 or 25 when this film was released. Jake is now 50
And I believe he really plays the violin too
“I hope she doesn’t die…”
*2 seconds later
“Johnny I’m dying, I’m dying”
MEDIC!!! One of the most underrated and misunderstood movies :) Good reaction guys
Basil Poledouris did the musical score for both RoboCop and Starship Troopers. Such an underrated composer!!
And Conan, another masterpiece
@@marcocruz-ey6bs Under Siege 2, The Jungle Book, and Free Willy are great as well!
I recall reading, or hearing in the commentary section of this movie, that Basil Poledouris' daughter is the one singing the song in the prom scene, and that the song is actually a David Bowie song, but I think they changed up some of the lyrics.
Klendathu Drop is probably one of the greatest movie themes ever
Casper Van Dien (Rico) has said in multiple interviews over the years that people on the street still yell at him "Rico! You know what to do." He says it's to the point that Rico is his second name. He has a story that at a fan signing an actual enlisted male came up to him and said he had a squad in the military that all got the "Death from Above," Tattoo that Rico had in the movie as a brand for their family in the military. He and the director seem to really love the character at this point.
I can see why, Rico is just a really charismatic character. He's great in the CG sequels when he becomes Big Boss Rico.
I guy I know worked with Casper Van Dien and got him to sign his DVD copy of the movie. He said Casper was a really nice guy, great to work with and loved talking about Starship Troopers.
Hahaha that is awesome. I imagine him pulling up his magnum and execute the bystander
@@gta1kev There's a interview with him saying that he was just pumping his gas and someone yelled at full volume "Rico's Roughnecks!" He says he awkwardly just yelled back 'you know what to do," lol.
@@VenomKpp aww, not that good of an ending, but still awesome
That's Jake Busey, Gary's oldest son.
And again, Clancy Brown proving to be the most versatile actor in Hollywood. Literally hundreds of roles!
This isn’t even a “so bad it’s good” movie. It’s just a damn good movie!
"The assassin from Twins" was also in Total Recall: He was the guy who the rebel leader Kuato lived in his torso.
"Open your miiiiind..."
Open your mind
A guy I knew back then got his casual GF pregnant and they named that poor kid Kuato. So cruel.
Everyone always misses Carlton Lassiter in the commercial as the three eyed psychic!
You know that's right.
@@moriellymoproblems7842 😂😂😂😂👍
I actually had to rewind this because I was like "waitaminute....Lassie?!"
Those who know him best call him Binky.
Rico: "You trying to be a Hero Watkins?!?"
Waktins: "Just trying to kill some bugs, sir!"
Me: 😭😭😭
This one's a cult classic! The reason you were able to spot so many recognizable faces is because this was built as the next huge sci-fi hit franchise akin to Aliens, Predator, Terminator, RoboCop, etc. so a lot of the new stars wanted in and made the cast.
The movie tips its hand when the recruitment officer says, "The mobile infantry made me the man I am today." He has a robotic arm when he shakes ricos hand. He pulls back and shows he has no legs. Get it?
Nah, don't think they do. Even the fascist society of Earth seems to pass them by. Ah well, they are young yet...
"The only good bug is a dead bug!"
"YEAH!"
The propaganda is working.
Lol.
"The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi!"
See that? The propaganda is working!
The propaganda speaks truth, we know they’re bad because we see them disregard human life, they make no distinction between civilian and soldier, adult or child and seem intent on wiping out humanity. The only good bug is a dead bug.
@@Billmaster115 you forget the humans (the Mormon's) colonise the bug planet. I recommend you watch the red letter media review of the movie.
@@Daniel_Soto the humans did not knowingly do this, any other civilised species would at least ask for them to leave. The fact that the bugs respond with total war against humanity implies an inherent incompatible existence with humans and other individualist species that act according to their own desire. Since the bugs are a hive-mind, they cannot conceive of a worldview that is out of harmony or chaotic as humans are.
"No,she sucked too." Lmao your girl is awesome dude
the complete series consists of -
Starship Troopers 1997
Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation, 2004
Starship Troopers 3: Marauder 2008
Starship Troopers: Invasion 2012
Starship Troopers: Traitor of Mars 2017
Starship Troopers AKA Uchū no Senshi 6 episodes 1988
Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles 36 episodes + 4 clip shows 1999
Only the first Starship Trooper 1997 is food. The rest are just parody, they're plain bad.
but some of these really aren't worth.....truly awful.....I'm looking at you number 2 and 3
The two CGI movies were so much better than 2nd and 3rd live action ones.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this this yet.. Rue McClanahan (Golden Girls, Blanche Devereaux) was their teacher in the class where they were disecting that little beetle bug.
Jake Busey is in the latest Predator, and his dad was actually proud about it; both of them being in the Predator franchise. It was even confirmed that Jake's character is the son of Gary's character in Predator 2. 😅
In regards to becoming a citizen, it's not just military service, any public service is a path to citizenship
Exactly. They would make you do quite grueling and vile jobs, as the point was self-sacrifice which leads to the mindset of service before self which is how they view governing. Everyone had the right to citizenship and they could not stop you, you had to willingly give it up (I think the only exception were those with mental disabilities preventing cognition).
I would like to know more.
In the original book, yes (but not any public service: it has to be something with a high risk of death or injury).
I don't know if the same is true in the film.
@@iapetusmccool Being a wealth provider/industrialist seems like it would work, too.
@@neilgriffiths6427 not in the book. You have to volunteer for Federal Service for two+ years, and what that service is will be assigned based on your aptitudes. And whatever it is, it has to involve risking life and limb to do something of benefit to the Federation, whether that be field-testing spacesuits, scientific research on a remote base, or military service.
The first time I saw it, I thought it was mindless entertainment for juveniles who dig blood and gore. The whole thing went completely over my head. Then I learned what it really was. Brilliant satire! You need to dig deeper.
Satire of a book that the director never read. He completely didn't get the point of the book because he pushed his political beliefs onto it.
Fun movie though.
@@DarthPoyner That's because the book is awful and making the movie satire improved it drastically.
@@mandalore1089 the book is awesome and makes very compelling moral and political points.
@@DarthPoyner the book was awful fascistic militarist fetishism.
Which one was it? "Poes law?"
Some things are so ridiculously extreme that it becomes hard to tell the real thing from parody.
If you still think of Clancy Brown as anything other than, The Kurgan. Then please please watch Highlander.
Of course he's the Kurgan but he's in disguise...IT'S BETTER TO BURN OUT THAN TO FADE AWAY!!!! HHURRRHAAAH!!!
YES. I vote for Highlander next!
Nuns! No sense of humor!
You mean Mr, Crabs?
Why aren't people making movies like this anymore? Such a great fun movie.
because people get butthurt and fall down crying if you even HINT that you are going to make a joke that they would consider offensive. cant make any movies like this anymore because people lost the ability to not be whiny little bitches
I'm guessing it's because Hollywood just doesn't attract the talent they used to. Now it's all hacks that want to reboot or "reimagine" an existing IP for ego points and quick cash, while the real talent goes independent and releases their stuff via a different medium.
Because you can't do anything offensive anymore. Blame the existance of social media...
@@CrimRui I really think social media only plays a roll because Hollywood thinks it does. It's pretty rare for social media organized boycotts to really get anywhere when you look at the actual cash brought in. Conversely, pandering to the Twitter crowd doesn't really bring in more business. That's because the people who complain the most online usually aren't fans in the first place, but because the heads of these big companies are still terrified of bad publicity they keep treating social media like it's real life even when it pisses off actual fans.
On the other hand I get a lot of my content from independent creators. Books, videos and games you can find by some very talented people. These people know their audience, and they don't give a crap what Twitter types say. Because of that I've seen plenty of things that are grossly offensive, yet if you look at the creator's patreon or subscribestar they're making good money. Talent goes where the money is and the Hollywood companies are left with the dregs.
In hindsight I find it amazing that this film was made six years before the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars. It could easily be an allegory for those as much as anything.
No it couldn't. You're just a midwit. This is like the meme about the guy who's only ever seen the movie Boss Baby, and when he watches any other movie he goes "I'm getting major Boss Baby vibes from this". Cause it's the only other movie he's ever seen.
And by the way, the test for whether you're just a midwit or a bona fide dimwit is if you think I'm saying you've only ever seen Starship Troopers.
Now imagine This movie but the humans all had Iron Man suits and AT-AT walkers, and that is pretty much the books.
And Warhammer 40k :)
And dont forget in the books Dizzy was a dude.
I don't remember the AT AT walkers.
This book is what influenced the creator of Gundam in japan.
@CYB3R2K30 but honestly the people who had the most chemistry in this movie was Rico and Ace, and Suggar definitly liked Rico like c'mon
Clancy Brown, who played the sergeant, is in a lot great movies. He's also the voice of Lex Luthor in the Superman animated series.
Probably best known for his role as the Kurgan in Highlander.
I believe his best known role is Mr. Krabs
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 also Buckaroo Banzai.
And Michael Ironside voiced Darkseid!
"The Bride" w/ Sting, Jennifer Beales, Geraldine Page.
Fun fact for you: this movie was nominated for an Oscar for Best Visual Effects
It lost to Titanic, such BS
@CYB3R2K30 It did have virtual people, so points on that.
Justified. It came out halfway between Jurasic Park and The Phantom Menace.
And rightfully so.
One of the most memorable parts of seeing this in the theater was when NPH first showed up and half the people went "DOOGIE!!!!!!"
FYI:
6:18 The guy stamping their papers played the Autopsy Doctor in CSI, he was picked for this role because he is an actual double amputee;
7:50 Not only was he the guard from Shawshank, but he's also the voice actor for Mr. Crabs in SpongeBob;
8:34 And that is Jake Busey, Gary's son;
9:43 Amy Smart was 21 when this film was made;
The original book was a political commentary (which a huge amount of Sci-Fi books at the time were). In the book, the soldiers who had fought in a recent war got feed up with the corruption of the governments and pulled a worldwide coup d'etat and bought in a two-tier system, where you only had the right to vote if you had put your life on the line to protect the planet.
Sometimes referred to as Ken and Barbie go to war. Great film, great book, some great anime as well.
Don’t forget Basic Instinct by Paul Verhoeven.
"The only good bug is a dead bug" guy is the screenwriter, Edward Neumeier. Best. Leo.
Neumeier was the prisoner they executed. That was the producer, Jon Davison.
@@newfate26 Noted. Thank you. I got them cornfused. Best. Leo.
@JSB Why yes. Yes, it is. I can't claim that it's "mine" exclusively, it's just a friendly little closing. Plus, I don't mind putting my name to anything that I write. Best. Leo.
This movie has no business being as good as it is.
Starship Troopers was a book from around 1959, it's "based" in South America with the lead being Juan Rico. It was required reading for the cast of Aliens - the marines, dropships, scanners, pulse rifles, power loader Ripley uses, all came from Starship Troopers
The assassin from Twins is Kuato from Total Recall.
See you at da pahty Richtah...lol
RedLetterMedia's analysis of this movie is worth watching as a follow up.
no, it's not. The old farts can't comprehend sci-fi beyond Star Trek.
This is a much better analysis:
th-cam.com/video/kVpYvV0O7uI/w-d-xo.html
@@dimas3829 Well they understand the movie far better than the large majority who originally saw it in theaters, so...
@@JDelwynn like missing part when Carmen says to Rico that her father was worrying about her and spoke like they won't see each other alive anymore? Which turned out to be true and he may have been latent psychich. Like them outright ignoring the failures of democracy and "what is given has no value" principle of Federation? Like them calling practical effects as CGI bugs? If anything they seen less than average cinema goer.
@@chrisoverholt2325 agreed best analysis of it.
For another stacked-cast sf movie, try watching MARS ATTACKS.
i watched that again recently, it has not aged well sadly
@@Warspite1701 It's got some funny moments here and there but it's very hit and miss. I still crack up at the Tom Jones stuff and the line Sylvia Sidney had of "They blew up Congress!"
yes PLEASE!!!
@@Warspite1701 Bad sign since it sucked when it came out.
Try not watching Mars attacks.
The teacher missing an arm is Michael Ironside.
He's the voice actor for Sam Fisher's Splinter Cell.
This is the best tube edit of this film I've seen by far. Included almost all the best parts. You guys also make insightful and logical observations that are still funny without relying on anything else. Love your stuff.
You have seen something with Michael Ironside: Total Recall. He was Cohagen’s (Ronny Cox) main henchman who gets his arms fucking chopped by that elevator. And Cohagen was Dick Jones, the OCP executive bad guy in Robocop. Verhoeven tended to reuse actors across movies.
SEE YOU AT THE PARTY, RICHTER!
Michael Ironside is a great on-screen actor, yet my favorite of his portrayals is Sam Fisher from the original Splinter Cell series of games.
Time for a Top Gun reaction for some more badass Michael Ironside
They were only able to successfully reattach one of Michael Ironside's arms after that elevator stunt, hence his character in this film has one arm.
I think it’s interesting to consider that the bugs weren’t really the in the wrong. It’s implied that humanity might have been encroaching on their territory. Perhaps they were just defending themselves. But we’re seeing it from humanity’s point of view so the audience will assume we’re the good guys and the “others” are naturally bad. That’s why the movie is presented as propaganda.
This is why war movies really need both sides to be shown because there is always heroes on both sides. The brain bug is basically doing what NPH was doing to the drones. Fucking them up just to see what makes them tick and figure out how to beat them.
It is mankind’s manifest destiny to rule the galaxy in the Emperor’s name.
That sounds like bug propaganda to me!
@@VenomKpp but that was sort of the point, it’s one sided, it’s our side or theirs and ours will win!
Also wasn’t it that it’s actually never confirmed that the meators are coming from the bugs, that’s it’s just an excuse to wage war on a planet with bugs, for no real reason whatsoever
That puts the moral fault on the bugs even still. We KNOW the bugs share a similar intelligence level of humans because they can think strategically and tactically, luring us into traps and the lot. The Bugs are fully aware of what they are doing. But unlike any other civilisation that may ask to see humans removed from their territory, the bugs respond with total war! Wiping out an independent colony of peaceful people, and proceeded to wipeout Buenos Aires, creating the largest disaster in human history with 8 million dead.
The moral fault is with the bugs.
Paul Verhoeven's filmography is a treasure trove. His sci-fi trilogy is great but most of his other films are just as good if not better. One I highly recommend is Flesh+Blood with Rutger Hauer and Jennifer Jason Leigh, which is his best film in my opinion and is highly underrated.
I personally think Soldier of Orange is a better movie
I agree with you, and with Paul, Soldier of Orange is incredible. So is the the Fourth Man. But Flesh and Blood, man what a cynical masterpiece.
I was thinking the same thing, but imagine how much of Flesh+Blood they would need to censor on this channel, lol.
I absolutely love this movie! Way before it's time. The satire still holds up perfectly.
Also, that's Gary Busey's son - Jake Busey.
"Would you like to know more?"
Both: "NO!"
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I really recommend the book. The story is very different and one of my favorites. This movie is one of those that I can watch over and over.
Agreed
styxx, the movie differs enough from the book to sometimes make me uncomfortable, but it does capture the spirit rather well. And to make "Dizzy" Flores a beautiful woman and Juan's love interest was genius. And did you notice that the way Dizzy died in the movie was exactly like in the book, albeit at a different point?
The book is amazing it’s definitely worth a read and goes so much farther in depth with the concept of civilian vs citizen and the formation of the world government in the movie. The book never specifies if there are other routes to citizenship but does make it clear that the only guaranteed way to citizenship is through service.
There’s a lot of amazing themes discussed in the book and some twists that do not occur in the film. It’s not very long only a couple hundred pages but one of the best coming of age war stories I’ve ever read
the book is amanzing! I finished this week and it really is very different from the movie, much more serious and theres lots of differences between book and movie.
@@jonnardy1520 I'd say they are two different messages. The book is a pro military anti communism story and the movie is a parody of fascism.
Both are great, but the movie is much more relevant to today, IMO.
Thing that impressed me most though was the equipment of the Mobile Infantry in the book. Consider the time it was originally written, and the gear he described they used. Man was decades ahead of his time.
@@Lucklaran Yep, Heinlein who was an engineer btw coming up with the Mobile Infantry combat suits kinda invented "Mechs" or Mechas if you would, way ahead of time and sure was the basis of the Space Marines from Warhammer 40k.
@@Lucklaran Heinlein is known for popularizing armored suits in Science Fiction with Starship Troopers. There may have been a couple of stories before ST with armored combat suits but that's the novel that really blew up the idea and it's been very commonly used in military science fiction ever since, both in books and other media.
There seems to be some confusion; Verhoeven didn't make this movie as an excuse for soldiers to encounter bugs. This movie is based on the sci-fi classic novel, Starship Troopers (1959) by Robert Heinlein. However, the book dives deeper into other themes and topics (in addition to bugs) and the movie deviates from it...like a lot. Director Verhoeven admitted to reading the first few chapters, getting bored with it, and then creating the rest of movie with his vision.
Indeed... "A lot" is an understatement.
And by based he means that they threw out most of the good stuff except some characters and the basic structure, and Verhoven went on record saying he never read it.
Loosely inspired is closer to the truth.
Yeah the book was pretty opposite until you consider the movie's sarcasm. They were both anti-war & anti-empire.
SkullAngel002 -- Seriously!? I always thought it was the remake of the Japanese anime from the late '70s - early'80s by the (nearly?) same name... It was very colorful and action packed with a story line that followed the 'Earth forces' fighting the invading insects from that were headed toward Earth to inhabit... Does anyone recall that anime I am thinking of? --What was the title of that? Me and all the little boys in grade school used to run home from school each day to catch it on TV. :-)
I still hope for a real adaptation some day. This movie is fun…… but it’s not “Starship Troopers”. One day we will get true bounce infantry.
I saw this movie for the first time when I was 15 and Loved it because of the Bugs. Watching it when I got older and being able to appreciate the social commentary and critiques makes it so much better.
In case someone hasn’t mentioned it, the officer that was hiding at the overrun base was Cuatto (dude with the mutant “baby” attached to his side) in Total Recall! Nice reaction as always!
I totally agree with you two - Dizz was definitely a better partner for Rico compared to Carmen! If anything, Rico wasn't awesome enough to deserve Dizz, imho! Like, she followed him to his unit and saved the day and then freaking dies in such a bullshit way and Carmen gets the guy. MEH!
Plus, imo, Dizz is more attractive.
Agreed. Team Dizz all the way.
In the book, Dizzy Flores is a man who dies at the end of the first chapter. lol
Well in the film series Carmen and rico never got together again. And he never got over losing Diz I believe he truly fell in love with her.
If I had a hot babe like her after me I'd dump Carmen in a hot second lol
If you want to catch Clancy Brown (the guard from Shawshank) early in his career, you have GOT to react to Highlander from 1986! It's a cult classic with Sean Connery. Brown plays a fantastic bad guy.
My wife was supposed to have been an extra in this movie however she was living with her mom and grandfather at the time and they told her they would kick her out if she went back for filming.So she listened to them and still feels it was one of the worst decisions of her life.
That's terrible. I feel bad for her. So much for supportive family huh?
What the hell was even their reasoning? She'd get paid!
My friend and I went to be extras in the crowd in the football scene. But in the end we were too big for the uniforms they had available. (And back then we were too big, not too fat lol)
sounds like her family sucks
@@Theomite It was about control issues and selfish nature.
Special effects still better than new ones in 2023 🔥
If TBR hates spiders then everyone should recommend Arachnophobia (1990).
Yes! Came in here to say this. I think it would be interesting due to TBR's phobia, but also it's just a really great movie.
Eight legged freaks
@@petemasta99 "Lee Harvey Oswalds rifle, why we have that, I do not know."
Love that movie.
The satire is so in your face in this movie, Neil Patrick Harris is literally dressed like a nazi officer Lol
Yeah he's literally in Gestapo uniform
They're all wearing German uniforms. It's just the Gestapo uniforms that are easiest to recognize.
Verhoeven was a kid in German occupied Netherlands during the war... he's not being subtle about what he thinks of Heinlein's Federation.
It seems the aesthetics are the only element suggesting fascism. Nothing else in the movie appears satirical of fascism.
@@Billmaster115 Militarised culture and earning citizenship in your own birthplace is a couple points that align with fascism tho.
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You clearly don't know what fascism is.
Some pilgrims sought refuge on another planet. The bugs overreacted and instigated a mass genocide.
You're mindlessly following what Buzzfeed told you to feel about this.
Director Neil Blomkamp also has a sort of thematic trilogy with Sector 9, Elysium and Chappie. And Starship troopers is fantastic.
*District 9
Oh man, I hope she doesn’t die!
“Johnny, I’m dying”
Oh.
Lol I lost my shit lmao
The General was Kuato from Total Recall. So glad you guys enjoyed this one.
"Would you like to know more?"
TBR Schmidtt and Samantha: "NOOOO!"
LMFAO!
I saw this in theaters with my friends. We loved it.
Definitely a great one to remember watching at the theater with friends.
Once again it's such a hoot watching you two watch movies I am so familiar with! I'll tell you -- for the most part, the special effects in this blood bath still hold up. Glad you enjoyed this demented little soufflé!
everyone in the theater i was in yelled "Doogie" when NPH appeared
Someone yelled "The Reichsmarschall Doogie Howser!" when he appeared after Dizzy's funeral.
I have to admit, even though I love the movie and the book and don't think it has anything to do with fascism, the Doogie Himmler meme still cracks me up.
That's Zoe Pouldouris, daughter of composer Basil Poledouris, singing a cover of David Bowies I Have Not Been to Oxford Town at the prom dance. Ominous foreshadowing when she sings the line "All is well."
Robocop AND Starship Troopers in one week? You guys are legends, and I'm so glad you dug it!!
Yes, this movie has a stacked cast, but the problem is they're almost all famous for roles they played AFTER this film! For me, it's always been a case of seeing them in stuff and saying "Hey, they were in Starship Troopers!"
It's so sad that this movie got very little recognition at the time of release. Like with Fight Club, the satire went over most critic's heads at the time and it was seen as a blatantly fascist, militaristic film. It was also fatally hampered by its box office competition, as a little movie called Titanic came out at the same time. I was soooooo looking forward to seeing this at the cinema, and it barely even played over here in England so I missed it. Damn sinking ships!