Over a hundred years ago, George Bernard Shaw said “Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.” and it needs to be updated to "Those who can, do, those can't, create social media content." - Until you watch Talking with Docs. Thanks, Dr. Zalzal and Dr. Weening. Your channel is a great resource for those of us going down rabbit holes as we experience age and decay and try to find honest, helpful information online. Keep up the great work!
My husband decided to go back to medical school after being a history teacher for a few years. So he did a year of premed, two years of pre-nursing/nursing school (in case he didn’t get into medical school), year of not getting in, he finally was accepted. One of your best pieces of advice is never give up. He didn’t start practice until he was 40 years old. But he was doing what he really wanted to do. I think the best advice you gave was never give up! Thanks for another great, informative video.
It’s pretty apparent that we have a shortage of doctors esp since Covid. Six month wait times for appts to specialists seems normal now but is not acceptable. And shortages in rural areas exist. Different paths to enter medicine are needed.
Ha! My wife always jokes that if she applied today, she wouldn’t get in. Never did a minute of research. Now she’s the program director of an OB/GYN program.
I have participated as a "lab rat" in vascular research for about 8 years and about 22 studies as I have HFpEF PH (a cardiac condition). These have all been high quality studies often funded by the VA and/or NIH. In the process I have met many undergrad, masters and post doctoral students and have always, always been so impressed by the quality and character of these young people! Researchers are desperately needed so even if you don't get into medical school you have an excellent future of choices ahead of you in research.
I wish I could go back in time and become a physician. I absolutely love to learn and in the medical field, the sky is the limit! Since I remember when the Dead Sea was very much alive, I'm too old for medical school (62 y/o). Hindsight is always 20/20 and I have wished many times I would have gotten into medical school in the 90's or even the 80's when I was in my 20's and early 30's. I wouldn't want to give up the knowledge I have now, the people I have met, or the degrees I have now, but I still wish I were a physician. To those who are in their 20s or 30s, don't wait: GO FOR IT!!!!!!
Your choice of undergrad school might make a difference. And it need not be a big famous place. The college I went to had a pre-med program that over a period of 30 years placed over 90% of grads into med school. When you declared the major, you got a team of mentors on the faculty who made sure you took the right classes, kept your grades up, had extracurricular activities you loved, and your junior and senior years did mock interviews with you. Then for recommendations, your team would write a group recommendation based on the three or four years they had known you.
When I was an undergrad grades were everything. If you didn't have very close to a 4.0 GPA you wouldn't get to the next step. I didn't go to med school, but interacted with a lot of pre-med students in my chemistry and biochem classes when I was an undergrad, when I was a TA for those classes during grad school and later as a prof. Recommendations were also important. I have written quite a few med school recommendations. I also talked with colleagues from the med school about their admission criteria when I was on the governing board of our grad school and I remember that many people involved in making med school admission decisions were particularly interested in references from non-academics particularly if the student had worked in a medical setting and could get a reference from a physician they had worked with.
I have nothing but admiration & respect for the YEARS dedicated Doctors invest in knowledge & being the best that they can be. Seeing it in action in person over the years has also developed that necessary sense of trust!
Great insights on getting in, these still continue during your career, currently I am coaching and teaching doctors and dentists to research and publish while they still practice. They need this for progression and promotion, research, critical thinking and analysis are life skills needed to continue getting in.
My son got into medical school on his fifth try, got a masters degree in the meantime, graduated med school with one of the university’s highest awards and will soon have his PhD. Keep trying!!
My "c" in earth science was an early indicator of me probably not being med school material. 😄 A friend went to dental school in the early 2000s in US, I remember her transferring undergrads for one year, and doing all or most of her sciences at a different college, as her college was known to have a brutal science dean, upon transferring she got straight A's, (organic chem, microbio, anatomy, physics) etc, then finished back up at her original school, and applied to Dartmouth dental and got in. Seemed like to me med and dental schools really did not tolerate anything but 3.9 averages or above and great mcat scores.
Why did you want to become a doctors in the first place? What do you still love about being a doctor and what don't you like? What else do you hope to do in your life if you were not a doctors?
I am wondering about the interview process---with so much burnout happening for a number of different reasons; I wonder if any schools will ask if the person realizes it is a problem and waht they aer doing now, as a future doctor to combat getting burned out. I realize no one can fully understand it without experiencing it---however if you don't even give it consideration it's much more likely to happen to you
All though I know MD's I've never personally known anybody in med school, but it seems like the students all have one thing in common. They all have good posture while standing and sitting with a look of confidence. Their hair and clothes are clean and stylish. How do they do that with all the stress they go through for so many years? 👍😇Plus, it's so expensive🤑 they can't retire until their 90. (I'm in the US we don't have socialized medicine) TV shows like Grays Anatomy show the MD taking advantage of the residents, making them compete against each other, working them on 24 + hour shifts etc. is that true or does that just tv? I just say, thank you for devoting your life helping other like me. 🥰
I'm curious about the research recommendation. I've heard med school faculty on admissions committeess say they think applicants over weight research. Admission committes are looking for people who will be good doctors, which is only weakly correlated with research, compared to other things on the application.
In our country they have racial quotas... maybe 1 or 2 people of my race will be accepted for medical studies as a doctor per province. You need to be the best of the best to make it. That is why I pressure my daughter to work hard. I want 100% scores on all tests or at least high 90s. And she delivers
what's with all the scratches on Dr. W's forearms? - do you have an evil cat who hates you? - They are both just adorable (Megan and Izzy - not you two) - Best of luck to both of them - i love these videos - i hope you keep having them visit in the future !!! - Great tips !!!
The right arm one looks like one of those burns you get from the oven, taking something out. So in the end, he did help his wife in the kitchen!! (New Year's Resolutions).
Hey Docs that doesn’t make sense to have a lottery system I’m sure there is quite a few drop outs in the first year we don’t have enough doctors or nurses in Australia I’m sure you haven’t in Canada we import them from overseas half of you can’t understand playing with peoples lives not a car should be getting as many of them you can home grown 🤔
We, here in Canada, need every able body to help bring our medical system back to where it serves the people and not the politicians (well, actually those are people too). We need to stop diluting our healthcare system and shift stuff over to the private sector. My cardiologist is from the private sector, and I am darn lucky to have him, I know for sure I would still be where I was 8 months ago. But the private sector does provide the services at a level of where we took things for granted 15-20 years ago. Having a family doctor for instance....
Socialism is ALWAYS destructive. It can exist for a while leaching off an economy fed by free market forces but it will ALWAYS suck the life out of whatever it touches.
If I'm not mistaken in Ontario the government got involved with doctors pay and "revamping" healthcare which included removing a GP's hospital privileges'. I think that's at least twenty years ago. Anyway fast forward to today and we have GPs barely being able to run their business and a shortage combined with so many other healthcare issues. The real crime is our elected officials knowing this issue didn't happen over night and have done nothing to truly repair it.
My son is a dentist. He didn't get in first try but he improved his interview skills and got in the second time. Not a doctor but a similar process.
Over a hundred years ago, George Bernard Shaw said “Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.” and it needs to be updated to "Those who can, do, those can't, create social media content." - Until you watch Talking with Docs. Thanks, Dr. Zalzal and Dr. Weening. Your channel is a great resource for those of us going down rabbit holes as we experience age and decay and try to find honest, helpful information online. Keep up the great work!
Doing our best. There is a lot of bad information out there. Thanks so much
My husband decided to go back to medical school after being a history teacher for a few years. So he did a year of premed, two years of pre-nursing/nursing school (in case he didn’t get into medical school), year of not getting in, he finally was accepted. One of your best pieces of advice is never give up. He didn’t start practice until he was 40 years old. But he was doing what he really wanted to do. I think the best advice you gave was never give up! Thanks for another great, informative video.
It’s pretty apparent that we have a shortage of doctors esp since Covid. Six month wait times for appts to specialists seems normal now but is not acceptable. And shortages in rural areas exist. Different paths to enter medicine are needed.
Ha! My wife always jokes that if she applied today, she wouldn’t get in. Never did a minute of research. Now she’s the program director of an OB/GYN program.
I have participated as a "lab rat" in vascular research for about 8 years and about 22 studies as I have HFpEF PH (a cardiac condition). These have all been high quality studies often funded by the VA and/or NIH. In the process I have met many undergrad, masters and post doctoral students and have always, always been so impressed by the quality and character of these young people! Researchers are desperately needed so even if you don't get into medical school you have an excellent future of choices ahead of you in research.
I wish I could go back in time and become a physician. I absolutely love to learn and in the medical field, the sky is the limit! Since I remember when the Dead Sea was very much alive, I'm too old for medical school (62 y/o). Hindsight is always 20/20 and I have wished many times I would have gotten into medical school in the 90's or even the 80's when I was in my 20's and early 30's. I wouldn't want to give up the knowledge I have now, the people I have met, or the degrees I have now, but I still wish I were a physician. To those who are in their 20s or 30s, don't wait: GO FOR IT!!!!!!
Your choice of undergrad school might make a difference. And it need not be a big famous place. The college I went to had a pre-med program that over a period of 30 years placed over 90% of grads into med school. When you declared the major, you got a team of mentors on the faculty who made sure you took the right classes, kept your grades up, had extracurricular activities you loved, and your junior and senior years did mock interviews with you. Then for recommendations, your team would write a group recommendation based on the three or four years they had known you.
When I was an undergrad grades were everything. If you didn't have very close to a 4.0 GPA you wouldn't get to the next step. I didn't go to med school, but interacted with a lot of pre-med students in my chemistry and biochem classes when I was an undergrad, when I was a TA for those classes during grad school and later as a prof. Recommendations were also important. I have written quite a few med school recommendations. I also talked with colleagues from the med school about their admission criteria when I was on the governing board of our grad school and I remember that many people involved in making med school admission decisions were particularly interested in references from non-academics particularly if the student had worked in a medical setting and could get a reference from a physician they had worked with.
Just got accepted into medical school!! Will be starting next month in july
Congrats! 🎉
congrats! well earned.
checking in, how's the first bit going?
I have nothing but admiration & respect for the YEARS dedicated Doctors invest in knowledge & being the best that they can be. Seeing it in action in person over the years has also developed that necessary sense of trust!
Great insights on getting in, these still continue during your career, currently I am coaching and teaching doctors and dentists to research and publish while they still practice. They need this for progression and promotion, research, critical thinking and analysis are life skills needed to continue getting in.
My son got into medical school on his fifth try, got a masters degree in the meantime, graduated med school with one of the university’s highest awards and will soon have his PhD. Keep trying!!
How cool that there is going to be another Dr, Zalzal.. You must be very proud.
My "c" in earth science was an early indicator of me probably not being med school material. 😄 A friend went to dental school in the early 2000s in US, I remember her transferring undergrads for one year, and doing all or most of her sciences at a different college, as her college was known to have a brutal science dean, upon transferring she got straight A's, (organic chem, microbio, anatomy, physics) etc, then finished back up at her original school, and applied to Dartmouth dental and got in. Seemed like to me med and dental schools really did not tolerate anything but 3.9 averages or above and great mcat scores.
Why did you want to become a doctors in the first place? What do you still love about being a doctor and what don't you like? What else do you hope to do in your life if you were not a doctors?
Interesting and informative, with specific suggestions.
I had a great spot doing research at CHEO just before university but I had to quit to go make money. You all know how expensive it is!😵💫
I am wondering about the interview process---with so much burnout happening for a number of different reasons; I wonder if any schools will ask if the person realizes it is a problem and waht they aer doing now, as a future doctor to combat getting burned out. I realize no one can fully understand it without experiencing it---however if you don't even give it consideration it's much more likely to happen to you
CASPER use to be a ghost back in my day 😂
All though I know MD's I've never personally known anybody in med school, but it seems like the students all have one thing in common. They all have good posture while standing and sitting with a look of confidence. Their hair and clothes are clean and stylish. How do they do that with all the stress they go through for so many years? 👍😇Plus, it's so expensive🤑 they can't retire until their 90. (I'm in the US we don't have socialized medicine)
TV shows like Grays Anatomy show the MD taking advantage of the residents, making them compete against each other, working them on 24 + hour shifts etc. is that true or does that just tv? I just say, thank you for devoting your life helping other like me. 🥰
It’s called ‘Universal Healthcare’ not ‘socialized medicine.’
She looks like her papa , best of luck girls
I'm curious about the research recommendation. I've heard med school faculty on admissions committeess say they think applicants over weight research. Admission committes are looking for people who will be good doctors, which is only weakly correlated with research, compared to other things on the application.
Would it be possible to do a video about if aspartame is bad for you?
Any tips how to get better cholesterol on ketovore diet?
In our country they have racial quotas... maybe 1 or 2 people of my race will be accepted for medical studies as a doctor per province. You need to be the best of the best to make it. That is why I pressure my daughter to work hard. I want 100% scores on all tests or at least high 90s. And she delivers
what's with all the scratches on Dr. W's forearms? - do you have an evil cat who hates you? - They are both just adorable (Megan and Izzy - not you two) - Best of luck to both of them - i love these videos - i hope you keep having them visit in the future !!! - Great tips !!!
The right arm one looks like one of those burns you get from the oven, taking something out. So in the end, he did help his wife in the kitchen!! (New Year's Resolutions).
@@ClareHarrison-qi3bw perhaps!!!! lol
Hey Docs that doesn’t make sense to have a lottery system I’m sure there is quite a few drop outs in the first year we don’t have enough doctors or nurses in Australia I’m sure you haven’t in Canada we import them from overseas half of you can’t understand playing with peoples lives not a car should be getting as many of them you can home grown 🤔
My granddaughter wants to be a doctor and she is joining a sport club since she bien 4 skiing and sports.
We, here in Canada, need every able body to help bring our medical system back to where it serves the people and not the politicians (well, actually those are people too). We need to stop diluting our healthcare system and shift stuff over to the private sector. My cardiologist is from the private sector, and I am darn lucky to have him, I know for sure I would still be where I was 8 months ago. But the private sector does provide the services at a level of where we took things for granted 15-20 years ago. Having a family doctor for instance....
Socialism is ALWAYS destructive.
It can exist for a while leaching off an economy fed by free market forces but it will ALWAYS suck the life out of whatever it touches.
If I'm not mistaken in Ontario the government got involved with doctors pay and "revamping" healthcare which included removing a GP's hospital privileges'. I think that's at least twenty years ago. Anyway fast forward to today and we have GPs barely being able to run their business and a shortage combined with so many other healthcare issues.
The real crime is our elected officials knowing this issue didn't happen over night and have done nothing to truly repair it.
Ugh!!! Medical school would be a NOPE for me if I were to be young enough to persue it. I just can't fathom it! 😂
If you want to be a drug pusher for the Rockerfellers …..become a Doctor. Note: it helps if you are a particular religion!
Hey Docs, I think I would pass the memory test: one of these students is your daughter. And I think I know which one. 😊
Dr. Zalzal is Megan your daughter? I see a possible resemblance??🤷
These med school students are like 13 years old.
Early 20s.
@@TalkingWithDocs just kidding, but they do look really young. Maybe I'm just getting old.
In other words, you need to be a physician first to get into medical school, oh ok. 🤓
Helps to be smart.
Learn how to check boxes , hand out drugs which kickbacks are in order , most importantly due as your told by the corporate boss. So sad
good segment..... but... they don't look old enough to be med students
I agree but I have to remember I am an old guy now. A lot of doctors look really young to me.
Never DEI medical school requirements please and ty. If they Didn't Earn it, auto boot.
Hello Docs,
Do you know any surgeon who will perform a total rhinectomy on me for free?
All this talent on parade .... and I think someone just died in the bed behind the Docs. ( Hoping it's a plastic model 😬)
I needed this, thank you🤍💜🧡