As Yuval said in his book, "The greatest scientific discovery was the discovery of ignorance". Accepting that we don't know something and trying to know about it as compared to just saying 'god' did that is what has brought humanity this far.
After listening to your conversations with Pastor T, I came across this amazing scripture in Hebrews 11: 1- 3. To also add onto the question about creation and God whom we cannot see. Faith helps us understand that we do not understand everything because the visible was made from the invisible 😊
Pastor T has amassed alot of knowledge from the Holy Bible & it's also safe to say God has placed upon him alot of wisdom & understanding...l am in the states & l've been listening to alot of interviews & debates Pastor T has been on & believe you me this is a man who's done his homework properly! When l was in Kenya, l was in total darkness about how the world works & spiritual matters but l came to learn so much here & alot of what him & Mr Kimani of life is spiritual ministries say is 💯 true & aligns with scriptures also 💯
Pastor Tee articulated well about how we are made in the image of the creator, this made me realiseà it is the reason we are able create things, and for the most part through studying the design of things in nature. We have even gone further and are able to read the code the intelligent designer used and are able to reproduce or enhance living things in nature through animal clonning and genetic modifications
I have so much respect for Mr. Tee and having worked with him before. He always shows up and he is one Christian that knows how to seize opportunities and never being out of his element. @Mwaf,this was bold and as always,you are yourself. Hata sijamaliza,still watching.
They way you've said it, it's like you having children and not give them any rules. If you have to summarize what God desires from man, it's the 10 commandments. You need to set rules for your children.
I followed Pastor T to your channel, I loved the discussion so much, as a born again Christian knowing that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ died for our sins, I appreciate knowing how the other side thinks 🤔
Reason I like Pastor Mr. T 25:45, he's not discrediting Mwaaf, you look at his face he's got no hard feelings about Mwaaf challenging him & he's willing to be challenged, very mature & healthy debate 👏
For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
You guys, part two. This Mwaf should discuss human spirituality. Because we are spiritual beings so tafsiri hayo. This guy is really very smart. If you travel you will realise that we are successful and wealthy in our own way
People who believe in god actually don't have accountability .... everything is a lie from the devil. Accept and own your actions because they originated from you. And accept the consequences. Don't blame the bad on the devil, or credit the good on gods.
Weeeuhhhh hii episode ni moto, can't wait for part 2. Pastor T always prepared, Mwaf umeweza pia . This discussion is moto than the one Mr. T did with the Atheists on NTV.....
Pastor T. Is amazing in articulating the role of science. As a Christian, the curse of humanity is knowledge . And we spend time seeking it out and call it different names. Some science, some naturalists, and others atheist but all fail to answer the source, and that is the God Almighty creator of the universe. From him, in him, through him! Mwafreeka, I love that you took the time to research and have a belief founded on scientific facts and its said, a man in search of knowledge drunk the first gulp and found atheism but when he was done at the bottom, He found God. I pray that you find truth and life. Cheers 🥂 This was beautiful 😍
This topic was so hot that it could not allow a third guy. Respect for both of you. I think we as christians need to be more liberal and open to reading and going deeper
This has made me even steer further away from religion because some of Mwaf's examples were factual, based on science, but Mr. T was still convinced it's based on faith.
I'm not religious but this Pastor T is a good debater. That notwithstanding, he still cannot prove with certainty that God exists. He bases his arguments on assumptions.
The host is respectfully open minded and intelligent.. the oxygen part hapana! Pastor T shared some good thoughts however most of his rationale was extremely ‘young’. I would like to be part of this debate!
Hapa napo Pastor Twas right in the money big up Mwafrika fo this healthy debate that's why I got saved coz with Christ comes with a lot of wisdom and above all love
Having being a follower of the podcast since episode 1, all I can say Mwaff you've really stepped up your game big up keep doing your thing, for me unajijenga na content singepata anywhere else, iko nini !!!
Theorem vs theory -> theorem are proved theory not proved Pythagoras is a theorem overall very respective conversation i don't think it will change anyone's perspective but it is informative
And for Pastor T, when God says that one day could equal to 1000 years, this was for prophetic events. And Genesis creation wasn't a prophetic event. It was just a literal event.
. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. Revelation 21:3
The best thing is that Mwaf did his research, most of the others come without having their research. It was an equally balanced debate. Pastor T na yeye huwa mzito vi ajab.
With science there was always the K constant. Science cannot incorporate all the variables that are present in real life. Faith is crucial. If the car you are observing start factoring wear and tear, terrain, slopes etc
Pastor said: "It takes faith to believe that in water there's hydrogen and oxygen". No it doesn't take faith. Even if you decide to believe it or not, this will always be a fact as proven by multiple experiments. Same way you can decide to have faith that Gravity doesn't exist and jump off a cliff and see what happens. The universe doesn't care what we believe in or not. We can only continue learning through experiments(what science does) and using the knowledge to make our lives better and maybe transition to the next "Homo XXXX".
You can take it as an opportunity to research more about Christianity , Jesus Christ. You will be surprised.... plus the Bible is really interesting, answering questions on human purpose, life and death and afterlife and how to live forever. There's this blog called "godsaidmansaid" they have wonderful articles about science and God. A TH-cam chanel called "Living Waters by Ray Comfort" Those are some nice resources to start with...listen read.. and see if they answer some of the objections you have about God. I can reply with the links if you'd like.
I love this discussion, and especially Mr. T's arguments. I also applaud Mwafrika for his extensive knowledge. Most people who lean towards science and against religion make the assumption of relying on others' experiences to undermine faith. One thing I tell my friends is that I personally do not know the shape the earth because I have not seen it in its entirety. It might be flat (how i experience it), spherical (how i have seen on the Internet), oblate (how i was taught).
To know the shape of the earth. Easiest experiment: 1.Stand anywhere and you will feel like you’re at the Centre 2. The shape of the horizon is always round. All navigation on earth works under that principle. Also another experiment, when you want to look far, you climb a tree. Why coz earth is flat otherwise being on a higher place wouldn’t make a difference with how far you can see
At least you can try to disapprove that the earth is flat. What about oblate versus spherical? a. How does NASA get spherical images from an oblate object? b. Or why did my text book try to convince me that the earth is flattened at the poles and bulging at the equator while Jupiter, Mercury, Venus and images of other planets are spherical? So it is always important for me to experience something rather than regurgitate something I was told by an 'authority' or just heard. a. Take for example you first experiment, the feeling depends on the expansiveness of the surface you stand on. Probably the same reason earlier scientist thought the earth was the center of the universe only to later find out it is not even at the center of our galaxy. b. The second experiment is intuitive, if you have a limit to how far you can see, you would not expect to see corners of a triangular-flat-earth which are beyond the limit of your sight. c. The last argument concerning climbing a tree, I think you would also climb a tree on a flat earth that has vertical obstacles obscuring you straight line of sight. @@IkoNini
I just feel science helps clarify God and God's phenomenon better..... as a Muslim science was taken up from a point of having The Creator as a focal point.
I am a Christian. However I studied science and that is my career. If someone believes in science they should at least argue it out from a scientific point of view you can't say you believe in science and the last time you studies science was in high-school. In the words of renown physicist Werner Heisenberg, 'Once you take a sip from the cup of natural sciences you will be an atheist but at the bottom of the cup God will be waiting for you'
i often listen to pastor T but from my point of view, the guy was using faith to answer to questions that need objective facts. this is the greatest point of religion, it uses faith to answer questions where it does not have answers
Religion is not banned in China. Preaching to change someone's beliefs is what is banned. There are Chinese Christians and many Chinese Muslims. Actually there is a whole tribe( people from Xinjiang) who are Muslims. Not banned at all, not just famous, you believe what you want to believe without anyone trying to preach to you telling you how what they believe is better
Pastor T is something else on these matters, the guy has perfected his craft so well,,, Huyu hakuna mkenya anamuweza, tukubaliane tu yaishe!!!
As Yuval said in his book, "The greatest scientific discovery was the discovery of ignorance". Accepting that we don't know something and trying to know about it as compared to just saying 'god' did that is what has brought humanity this far.
After listening to your conversations with Pastor T, I came across this amazing scripture in Hebrews 11: 1- 3. To also add onto the question about creation and God whom we cannot see. Faith helps us understand that we do not understand everything because the visible was made from the invisible 😊
Atoms are invisible.
Pastor T has amassed alot of knowledge from the Holy Bible & it's also safe to say God has placed upon him alot of wisdom & understanding...l am in the states & l've been listening to alot of interviews & debates Pastor T has been on & believe you me this is a man who's done his homework properly! When l was in Kenya, l was in total darkness about how the world works & spiritual matters but l came to learn so much here & alot of what him & Mr Kimani of life is spiritual ministries say is 💯 true & aligns with scriptures also 💯
The level of execution this show has in listening to the audience is top tier 🔥
This one is lit.
Pastor Tee is one of the pastor who I follow so much.
The level of Wisdom in Pastor T
I thought Pastor T was just an alarmist but this conversation has changed my perception will look for more of his works.
Most pastor can urgue about their faith like this and still be knowledgeable they soend time collecting faith
" accepting 'I don't know' is the beginning of wisdom "
Word
I loved how he tackled the question of maandamano...
One thing;Pastor T argues without being judgmental and manipulative.
This is a template of a healthy debate
True
Pastor T hukuaga na depth when it comes to candid conversations, never a dull moment listening to him
Image is not reflection... It is projection.
I have been looking for this for ages. Wow. Thanks Pastor T.
Pastor Tee articulated well about how we are made in the image of the creator, this made me realiseà it is the reason we are able create things, and for the most part through studying the design of things in nature. We have even gone further and are able to read the code the intelligent designer used and are able to reproduce or enhance living things in nature through animal clonning and genetic modifications
Science is the seen spirituality and spirituality is the unseen science.
''If A Con Orders You To Go Right, If You Go Left You Still Fell For The Con''
Where should you go ... isn't standing still the same
@@davidnduati4784 why be in a position to take orders from a con?
Kabisa
@@ElvisZOmoro facts. Why are they allowing the con to even issue instructions in the first place.
I have so much respect for Mr. Tee and having worked with him before. He always shows up and he is one Christian that knows how to seize opportunities and never being out of his element. @Mwaf,this was bold and as always,you are yourself. Hata sijamaliza,still watching.
Which opportunity did he seize... 🥱🥱🥵🥵🥵🥵😁😁😁
@@livewire_podcast peleka shida zako mbali try to dispense some knowledge of what your understanding is, not to ask a silly question
@@allansaretoz9974 sema unadai senye.... Umbwa wewe 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What a healthy conversation
Can’t wait for part two 🎉
I like the way Pastor T explains the Existence of God without bible context. my understanding of GOD is i know he Exist but He is of no Religion.
They way you've said it, it's like you having children and not give them any rules. If you have to summarize what God desires from man, it's the 10 commandments. You need to set rules for your children.
@@nicholastoo7543 Now that's human thinking that's brought about by religion which paved the way for colonization and Slavery .
Mwafreeka was so fired up today😂😂😂. .. Pastor T is unbelievably knowledgeable
The only reason you think he's knowledgeable is because you're not,he was babbling
@@Iletyoulive we acha matusi,The fact is that the conversation was Mature babbling Manade
Pastor T is beyond his time. This man doesn’t come to play in matters God Almighty❤
But Mr T is not good in listening he doesn't give mwaafrika time to explain his point....then mr T jumps from one issue to another....
I came hoping mwafrika would kick out the shiet in this mr.t but was disappointed as fak
The fear of GOD is the beginning of wisdom, big up tee
AMEN this Man of God pastor t mwangi we bless the Lord for you.
Pastor is a good debater, persuasive, articulate and makes compelling point. Oftentimes sadly, this prowess is conflated as truth.
I followed Pastor T to your channel, I loved the discussion so much, as a born again Christian knowing that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ died for our sins, I appreciate knowing how the other side thinks 🤔
Pastor Mr.T👍👍👍huwa nimetii huyu jamaa sana
Reason I like Pastor Mr. T 25:45, he's not discrediting Mwaaf, you look at his face he's got no hard feelings about Mwaaf challenging him & he's willing to be challenged, very mature & healthy debate 👏
Yeah. He was very cool, calm and collected. He understands his faith and can defend it eloquently
A Noble guy! He is not emotional coz he is knowledgeable. When you don't have facts or have limited opinion, that's when "kwenda huko buana" comes in.
@@DonKhalifah sure 👍🏼
For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
God is your consciousness in you. You are god. Stop looking outward searching for answers.
The fact that 67% of earth is not friendly to human was a powerful point.
You guys, part two. This Mwaf should discuss human spirituality. Because we are spiritual beings so tafsiri hayo. This guy is really very smart. If you travel you will realise that we are successful and wealthy in our own way
I love how mwaf politely disagrees with his interviewees... Skiiiil!
Shrewd
@@chrispuskiarie2107shrewd ni wewe😂😂😂😂😂rusungu lazima
@@livewire_podcast haha valedictorian wa Stach yule, always understands the assignment.
I wish I could give this channel a double subscription 💯💯🔥
Science is just but an exploration of what the designer made; this is a fact most people know but tend to deny👌
Mr T is okay at apologetics but better than most preachers.
T has so much wisdom
"Man wants to convince himself that there is no God because he is afraid of accountability." Noma sana
All it takes its proof and we all accept the existence of that deity
Just table the proof
People who believe in god actually don't have accountability .... everything is a lie from the devil.
Accept and own your actions because they originated from you. And accept the consequences. Don't blame the bad on the devil, or credit the good on gods.
ni kitambo kusikiza god debates. this one is nicer because the host actually listens and is respectful- huge skill.
Weeeuhhhh hii episode ni moto, can't wait for part 2. Pastor T always prepared, Mwaf umeweza pia . This discussion is moto than the one Mr. T did with the Atheists on NTV.....
Wow! Heated discussion. Philosophy and Theology well blended. Keep up!
Pastor T. Is amazing in articulating the role of science.
As a Christian, the curse of humanity is knowledge .
And we spend time seeking it out and call it different names.
Some science, some naturalists, and others atheist but all fail to answer the source, and that is the God Almighty creator of the universe.
From him, in him, through him!
Mwafreeka, I love that you took the time to research and have a belief founded on scientific facts and its said, a man in search of knowledge drunk the first gulp and found atheism but when he was done at the bottom, He found God.
I pray that you find truth and life.
Cheers 🥂
This was beautiful 😍
Wise words!!!!
Pastor T .. teacher of our generation
Pastor T's all round knowledge is on another level
Pastor T has quite a deep understanding.
Nmewatch every interview and podcast zote za Mr.T now Pastor T. Huyu mwanaume ako kwa kitu inaitwa "Kingdom Assignment " ole wenu ambao hamtaskiza!
I love such deep mature conversations.
Everyone with their good explanations something many forums lack.👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
This topic was so hot that it could not allow a third guy. Respect for both of you. I think we as christians need to be more liberal and open to reading and going deeper
That’s very true.
@@esthergithogori2930 l
35:00 It is true. The area around Naivasha had a big lake. Probably a combination of L. Nakuru, L Elemantaita and L. Naivasha.
This has made me even steer further away from religion because some of Mwaf's examples were factual, based on science, but Mr. T was still convinced it's based on faith.
the fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom
@@djvybzilla can you prove there is God?
@@maggienyoks6273 can u prove that u have a brain?
@@maggienyoks6273 nobody can prove there is God for you, except yourself.
@@morrismo8212 damn you said it right and deep
Nice conversation.mwaff was well prepared, ua doubts and arguments are making sense and Mr t tackled them so well.
You can't defend yourself with the same tool which is the point of argument -bible
It’s a compromise that had to reached though
I'm not religious but this Pastor T is a good debater.
That notwithstanding, he still cannot prove with certainty that God exists.
He bases his arguments on assumptions.
I appreciate how respectfully Mwaf disagrees with his interviewees.
The host is respectfully open minded and intelligent.. the oxygen part hapana! Pastor T shared some good thoughts however most of his rationale was extremely ‘young’. I would like to be part of this debate!
Wow!!! That's an educative and informative iko nini podcast so far. Have listened to all but this....waaa!!! Tops. Thanks to pastor T.
Hapa napo Pastor Twas right in the money big up Mwafrika fo this healthy debate that's why I got saved coz with Christ comes with a lot of wisdom and above all love
Pastor T knows his stuff.
Mwafreeka, you are really knowledgeable on nature. I loved it.
Having being a follower of the podcast since episode 1, all I can say Mwaff you've really stepped up your game big up keep doing your thing, for me unajijenga na content singepata anywhere else, iko nini !!!
To be a complete christian you have to ought the past you have to ought the faith you have to have the feelings.
Been waiting for this... Thanks Iko nini. And we should appreciate the fact that mwaf is talented
Theorem vs theory -> theorem are proved theory not proved Pythagoras is a theorem overall very respective conversation i don't think it will change anyone's perspective but it is informative
And now I ask like the Pharisees.... From whose Authority does Mr. T SPEAK???
THE WISDOM IS ON 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
His faith
Religion is man made,it's main purpose was to bring one to spirituality(life),but it failed,it's corrupt,I'm not against it nor for it.
Mature discussion..for the 1st time nikaona Mr.T akiwa challenged on the wits..he is smart though big up Mwaf pia
This is too deep guys...my small mind really struggled to keep up with this conversation 😥😥
And for Pastor T, when God says that one day could equal to 1000 years, this was for prophetic events. And Genesis creation wasn't a prophetic event. It was just a literal event.
genesis 1:1earth was created billions of years before recreation .
Mr.T always informative and real with the truth. Keep going iko nini
Mwaf hapa umegonga ndipo.Facts are facts.
The calmness in this conversation wuui. Listening to the end
. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Revelation 21:3
The best thing is that Mwaf did his research, most of the others come without having their research. It was an equally balanced debate. Pastor T na yeye huwa mzito vi ajab.
This was a very positive conversation as well as a good argument regarding science and religion
I like Ts knowledge and tolerance. And, this time you guys were really up to the task. Big up.
Part 2
Absolutely 💯 refreshing conversations to listen in!
Iko nene🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💪 very educative... Greatest mind on Earth... Geniuses ...U are always educative ...Mwaf since hiphop hot 96 ikianza🔥🔥🔥
Mr lambat since Vioja 🔥🔥🔥🔥 keep the fire burning...iko neneee
Have always pictured pastor T on the couch, shukran iko nini manze!
i have always imagined that too n turns out it's a very healthy debate
@@brimstonetundo9566 true
Mr lambat since Vioja 🔥🔥🔥💯 kbc .. always creative....the greatest Podcast Ever 🔥🔥🔥💪💪
A great debate and thank you pastor T.
When man doesn't know, creativity shows up 😂😂😂👏👏👏
God is not confined in His creation 👏👏
Great wisdom
When a man doesnt know, and is lazy to think it out, he says it is God's work.
Pastor T btw gode huwa fine sana in everything physically mentally emotionally & spiritually
😂
With science there was always the K constant. Science cannot incorporate all the variables that are present in real life. Faith is crucial. If the car you are observing start factoring wear and tear, terrain, slopes etc
Ay, wisdom is profitable. A very informative discussion. Kudos to Pastor 🔥💥
One seeks to prove themselves, while the other tries to discredit the other. Humans for you.
Pastor T. You got to give it up to him. Jamaa ako na knowledge.
Pastor said: "It takes faith to believe that in water there's hydrogen and oxygen". No it doesn't take faith. Even if you decide to believe it or not, this will always be a fact as proven by multiple experiments. Same way you can decide to have faith that Gravity doesn't exist and jump off a cliff and see what happens. The universe doesn't care what we believe in or not. We can only continue learning through experiments(what science does) and using the knowledge to make our lives better and maybe transition to the next "Homo XXXX".
wooow what a health discussion bring Pastor T more on this show and speak on ore topics
I don’t believe in religion but pastor T might just make me convert
You can take it as an opportunity to research more about Christianity , Jesus Christ. You will be surprised.... plus the Bible is really interesting, answering questions on human purpose, life and death and afterlife and how to live forever.
There's this blog called "godsaidmansaid" they have wonderful articles about science and God.
A TH-cam chanel called "Living Waters by Ray Comfort"
Those are some nice resources to start with...listen read.. and see if they answer some of the objections you have about God.
I can reply with the links if you'd like.
There is a big difference between religion and salvation!! God brought salvation man created religion!!! Chose wisely.
A generation is going, and a generation is coming, But the earth remains forever.
What a candid and eye opening conversation 💯🙌🏽
Nicola tesla is the Father of energy 💯for those ones who don't know...the world owes that guy literally
Nikola Tesla was on a high frequency he could see the future in his mind
We agree he was smart but hii ni yako 😂😂😂
Pastor T arguments are on another level, brilliant mind
One of the interesting conversation. I love it cause it's health. Tryna learn.
the level of intelligence waah big up mwaff..
I love this discussion, and especially Mr. T's arguments. I also applaud Mwafrika for his extensive knowledge. Most people who lean towards science and against religion make the assumption of relying on others' experiences to undermine faith. One thing I tell my friends is that I personally do not know the shape the earth because I have not seen it in its entirety. It might be flat (how i experience it), spherical (how i have seen on the Internet), oblate (how i was taught).
To know the shape of the earth.
Easiest experiment:
1.Stand anywhere and you will feel like you’re at the Centre
2. The shape of the horizon is always round.
All navigation on earth works under that principle.
Also another experiment, when you want to look far, you climb a tree. Why coz earth is flat otherwise being on a higher place wouldn’t make a difference with how far you can see
At least you can try to disapprove that the earth is flat.
What about oblate versus spherical?
a. How does NASA get spherical images from an oblate object?
b. Or why did my text book try to convince me that the earth is flattened at the poles and bulging at the equator while Jupiter, Mercury, Venus and images of other planets are spherical?
So it is always important for me to experience something rather than regurgitate something I was told by an 'authority' or just heard.
a. Take for example you first experiment, the feeling depends on the expansiveness of the surface you stand on. Probably the same reason earlier scientist thought the earth was the center of the universe only to later find out it is not even at the center of our galaxy.
b. The second experiment is intuitive, if you have a limit to how far you can see, you would not expect to see corners of a triangular-flat-earth which are beyond the limit of your sight.
c. The last argument concerning climbing a tree, I think you would also climb a tree on a flat earth that has vertical obstacles obscuring you straight line of sight. @@IkoNini
And I officially become a subscriber. Hii ndo inabamba
I just feel science helps clarify God and God's phenomenon better..... as a Muslim science was taken up from a point of having The Creator as a focal point.
I am a Christian. However I studied science and that is my career. If someone believes in science they should at least argue it out from a scientific point of view you can't say you believe in science and the last time you studies science was in high-school. In the words of renown physicist Werner Heisenberg, 'Once you take a sip from the cup of natural sciences you will be an atheist but at the bottom of the cup God will be waiting for you'
This is a lie cause science doesn't work on a belief system it works on evidence, there's nothing like believing in science
You can't defend yourself with the same tool which is the point of argument -bible , pastor T
@@andrewgichiru319 what should he use
And god isn't in the Bible neither tangible. It's an idea and it's a healthy idea until its forced in nature. Like the Bible does.
I love it
My pastor 🙌 🙏
This guy is knowledgeable.
This discussion needs like 10 episodes
i often listen to pastor T but from my point of view, the guy was using faith to answer to questions that need objective facts. this is the greatest point of religion, it uses faith to answer questions where it does not have answers
Everything about science is literally based on faith “hypothesis”. You literally need more faith to be an atheist than a Christian.
So here is part one. Sikuwa nimeona 😋😋😋 I love pastor T💕. Full of knowledge. He made me love religion
Religion is not banned in China. Preaching to change someone's beliefs is what is banned. There are Chinese Christians and many Chinese Muslims. Actually there is a whole tribe( people from Xinjiang) who are Muslims. Not banned at all, not just famous, you believe what you want to believe without anyone trying to preach to you telling you how what they believe is better