CUTE, BRILLIANT PUZZLE GAME (That's Also a Soulslike?!) // Tunic Unspoiled First Playthrough

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  • @CheesecakeMilitia
    @CheesecakeMilitia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

    Can't believe Andrew Shouldice showed up in chat - was cool to be able to thank him personally. Glad you're already so enthusiastically enjoying the game! Can't wait for you to uncover more secrets

    • @chypredust
      @chypredust 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And he subbed too

  • @taver8734
    @taver8734 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

    "I'm 16 hours into the game, surely I can watch the first 4 hours of Carl's playthrough without getting anything spoiled" I NAIVELY thought. 2.5 hours in and Carl's already taught me a new mechanic, and found two secret areas I haven't yet. Devs help, Carl too op, pls nerf
    Edit: 3:33:42 "I wanna find the person who never got the lantern and did all this shit in the dark just looking at the map" yep, that's me. Since I got the map right before, I thought it was saying once I do it in the dark, I'd get the lantern afterwards. Took a lot of trial and error, and I felt very dumb when I eventually realized I could've had the lantern the whole time after about 8 hours into the game.

    • @malcolmw121
      @malcolmw121 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I BEAT the game and Carl showed me a secret room I had never found. I know what it's for, I'm pretty sure, but I had no idea it existed.

  • @SiculusTheEpithet
    @SiculusTheEpithet 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I think my favorite part about these streams is that I finally have someone who thinks about spoilers in the same way I do, in that I want to know literally nothing at all, not even if something exists. I've spent so much time around people that act like most things they can say about the game are unimportant but that drive me nuts if I hear even a little bit. Finally, someone I can relate to this way
    No, my favorite part is reliving vicariously the thrill of discovery in one of my favorite games through someone who is entertaining to listen to, but the other bit is a close second.

    • @Charcoal190
      @Charcoal190 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same here!

    • @theonlypc4906
      @theonlypc4906 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol, I guess I'm literally the opposite, I don't care about getting spoiled at all, not even the ending, the secrets, etc., I often watch playthroughs or videos about a game before even playing it. When I played Tunic, I knew almost everything there was to know (but I still had an amazing experience and it's one of my favourite games)

    • @Nat_the_Chicken
      @Nat_the_Chicken 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@theonlypc4906 I feel like with most games that doesn't make a difference, but with a "knowledge-based unlocks" game like this one, you only really played half the game. You're still allowed to enjoy it that way, of course, and maybe the process of discovering it just wouldn't have been fun for you, which I can understand. I just hope you can appreciate via others' playthroughs what that experience is like.

  • @malcolmw121
    @malcolmw121 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Carl is TOO good at finding secrets. There's a cool moment in most playthroughs where you pass through the dark room, find the lantern, and on your way back you realize "oh my gosh this was here all along I just needed the light to see it" and then you proceed... but the instinct from all those troll levels is too strong.

  • @MasterHigure
    @MasterHigure 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    57:33 Some real Exorcist shit right as he runs past the chest.

  • @matijamaksan4344
    @matijamaksan4344 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    One hour in and i like this playthrough. Its slow and methodical. There is a lot of moments when Carl is confused or forgets something, but all main mechanics he did understand.

  • @Zaknodsama
    @Zaknodsama 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This game was BEAUTIFULLY made and renditioned. The music was awesome and figuring out the language was just that much better. Puzzles were master class, and the story...just EPIC

  • @galewin8942
    @galewin8942 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Following right along from other games of discovery and exploration, finally we've reached Tunic! Been waiting for this one very eagerly.

  • @EmiliusTheAwesome
    @EmiliusTheAwesome 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Carl comes very close to accidentally discovering something big much earlier than most people do at 33:30 but alas

  • @robe.vargas
    @robe.vargas 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Can't believe you are playing Tunic!!! I loved all the puzzles here, I hope you are having a wonderful time with this hidden gem ❤️

  • @Strokend
    @Strokend 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The language used for non-English in this game is very interesting to translate. I never would have figured it out on my own, it's that tricky.
    I'm amused at how similar the terms for unknown items are between players. "Oh hey, a tuning fork. Weird."

  • @cptroot
    @cptroot 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for the shoutout from your latest Mario Maker video. I didn't realize you'd visited the wonderful world of TUNIC, and now I get to watch it through fresh eyes!

  • @thespeedyyoshi
    @thespeedyyoshi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    OH MY FREAKIN GOSHHHHH
    CARL IS PLAYING TUNICCCCCCCC
    This is my new favorite game literally ever.

  • @51umgu11i0n
    @51umgu11i0n 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    00:15 Rip Ruby

  • @PabloRochas
    @PabloRochas 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I was literally screaming to the tv when Carl did not found the lantern distracted by founding the room with guards accidentally, inspecting every inch looking for secrets. And then miss the giant hero's grave in West Garden... distracted by inspecting every inch lookin for secrets 😂

  • @doobsmcgee
    @doobsmcgee 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is one of my favorite games of all time. Might even snag my top spot. My wife and I played through this together with me piloting and us working together to figure the game out. She kept a notebook of everything we couldn't get to like "Eastern forest, spiders, hooks", "page on a pillar in the south east", lots of notes and remarks like "need jump? where jump?". It was an amazing experience. Figuring out the door on the mountain (trying to avoid spoil-y terms) was one of the best puzzle-solving dopamine spikes I've ever had. So mind blowing learning this games secrets and going for 100% completion.
    I'd also recommend checking out Supraland for a first-person metroidvania-esque puzzle game. We had a blast with that one too and also had a notebook for that game. Those are my favorite types of experiences.

  • @ddave0822
    @ddave0822 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m so excited that you played this! Very eager to see your reactions to everything

  • @averytataryn5
    @averytataryn5 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yay more Carl gameplay :D Always enjoy you as a creator Carl! Thank you for being very cool.

  • @maxastro
    @maxastro 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How close you came to doing the dark tomb without the lantern had me on the edge of my seat. XD

  • @draakisback
    @draakisback 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love tunic, it's one of those games where the first experience is just completely different than any subsequent playthrough. It truly is a piece of art, and so is the manual.

  • @kennethlombera9165
    @kennethlombera9165 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YESSSS Tunic let's gooooo!!! I wondered if you'd ever play it for like over a year and then heard it mentioned in one of your other souls's playthroughs by a chatter, and my hope and hype for getting to see you experience it (and finish it for me who never did) shot through the roof! Good luck and hope you enjoy(ed) it!

  • @askmeagain43
    @askmeagain43 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Carl: I think I've found all the buttons
    Narrator: He had not

  • @taver8734
    @taver8734 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hey Carl, got the game when I saw your community post about it, and I've been having a great time so far, so I'm excited to watch your playthrough too! I will say, it might be useful to keep a notebook or something on hand, something I've started doing, just to write down things you want to remember or all the things you want to make sure to investigate later. Really looking forward to see you tackle this game!

  • @MrFrost-ok7ix
    @MrFrost-ok7ix 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for doing this I've been trying to watch this game for quite some time with actual playthrough. I've got a disability where I can't use my hands so trying to find somebody that's playing the whole game isn't amazing find thank you very much Carl.

  • @xephon3000
    @xephon3000 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I missed bits and pieces of this stream cuz work so this fast upload is amazing! Cant wait for the upcoming streams/vods!

  • @theneongoomba
    @theneongoomba 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm so excited to see my favorite game popping up on this channel - one of very few games that without fail stays two steps ahead. The discovery style of gameplay is done so well and I wish we had more games doing something similar.
    I hope you diligently apply the scientific method to figure out this game's secrets!

  • @squeektheweek6949
    @squeektheweek6949 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am so excited for this was watching the vod on Twitch but happier to have it here!

  • @Melgorias
    @Melgorias 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6:12 "I think I found all the buttons"... Yeah, sure :D

  • @MrStroodle
    @MrStroodle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't watch this. I thought I could! But an hour and a half in, and he's figured things out about the map that I haven't in my first 5 hours, AND found three areas I completely missed. GGs Carl

  • @mistahj5713
    @mistahj5713 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Carlbox? No.. that's a carlfox

  • @ianweis3108
    @ianweis3108 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved this game so much. Still learning to sight-read "Trunic" with no reference. Such a good time.

  • @MichealHallowell
    @MichealHallowell 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Omg so happy to see you play this. Found you through your Hollow Knight playthrough, loved it, and am so glad I subscribed!

  • @xystem4701
    @xystem4701 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so excited to see Carl playing one of my favorite games!

  • @TheGlitchedUpGlitch
    @TheGlitchedUpGlitch 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This game is a treat, I'm glad you're playing it!

  • @swbaseball021
    @swbaseball021 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    easily a top 10 game for me. so special

  • @dhi_holo
    @dhi_holo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Carl moving his webcam across to the right side, and then flipping the camera so the mic arm still ends in nothing bothers me more than it should xD

  • @y7o4ka
    @y7o4ka 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "metal defense slab" in the chat threw me off my chair 😂

  • @OzThermal
    @OzThermal 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh you finally played it! I need a main channel video of this bad.

  • @Ezkanohra
    @Ezkanohra 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FINALLY OMG so excited for you to play this!!

  • @Fluttersniper
    @Fluttersniper 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Get ready for “Carl Overthinks Literally Everything”, Pt. 1 😆

    • @thespeedyyoshi
      @thespeedyyoshi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Out of every game to overthink, I'm glad it's this one hahaha

  • @ottorouth
    @ottorouth 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looking forward to you continuing this playthrough - hope it's soon. ✌

  • @maxastro
    @maxastro 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't believe I played through this whole game and never knew that the firebombs break the spear guys' shields. D:

  • @crazytiger17
    @crazytiger17 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Omg. You uploaded this quickly! Now I can watch the last few hours I missed!

  • @InverseHackermann
    @InverseHackermann 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Had to put off watching Carl's playthrough until I finished my own. I'm excited to see how it goes!

  • @juliohintze595
    @juliohintze595 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FINALLY!!
    Can't wait to watch every second of this!

  • @lnterest-ing
    @lnterest-ing 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just finished my playthrough recently, this is a perfect game to go into blind!

  • @kafkasclown8128
    @kafkasclown8128 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You know what this game is kind of reminding me of? Fez. If you haven't tried Fez before, you should give it a look. I think it'd be up your alley.

  • @seanmclaughlin9283
    @seanmclaughlin9283 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never played this game. but the way everyone gushes over it, may play it sometime.

  • @eric8764
    @eric8764 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    haha i never knew the pause menu said "nap time" that's so cute

  • @TerraWispr
    @TerraWispr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    OH MY GOD YESSS! I LOVE TUNIC!

  • @stevekrueger5670
    @stevekrueger5670 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    All this time playing, and watching others play, and I had ABSOLUTELY no idea you could just nope out of the Guard Captain fight.

  • @mpdacey
    @mpdacey 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yaaaassss! You are playing my 2022 GOTY!!! I love this game so much. It is truly special to me just like Outer Wilds is. Please try your best to avoid all spoilers you can, and uncover all the secrets this game holds!

    • @mpdacey
      @mpdacey 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wish I could watch live, but you typically go live at 1 am where I live.

  • @frankgonzales115
    @frankgonzales115 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This game's layout is very Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker. The hidden spots that you can't see and the levels/floors of exploration. The only difference is that Tunic removes the ability to move perspective. Nice job, very interesting.

  • @xera192
    @xera192 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tunic is incredible. I'd love to see a second game from the dev.

  • @sleepynuigurumiamalgamation
    @sleepynuigurumiamalgamation 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Neat seeing a game i quite love. I did nearly nearly all the puzzles of this game.

  • @ShaddyFromHatena
    @ShaddyFromHatena 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I spent SO MANY HOURS on this game, an absolute favorite of mine and a treat to watch you play through and hear all your thoughts in real time just like mine XD
    Hope you enjoy the rest! (And get sucked in as much as i did lol)

  • @cidolfas4803
    @cidolfas4803 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love games of "unfolding knowledge" like this or Outer Wilds. Especially when they have vibes as good as those.
    There's a lot of overlap on the surface between those and a good MM troll or puzzle level, but those are a bit more like a series of locked doors. Same with the SpikeChunsoft games like 999 or AI: The Somnium Files, which have that same kind of series of revelations that play out linearly.
    There's nothing quite like the feeling of the systems-driven version where you sink gently down into further levels of the world.
    Edit: they're all a more puzzle-y than Tunic/Outer Wilds, but if you like those consider Return of the Obra Dinn, Immortality, or Chants of Sennaar. And if you liked the move-around-the-world-more stuff you should check out A Short Hike.

  • @georgiahokie1994
    @georgiahokie1994 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Interested to see what Carl thinks of this game. For the most part, I really loved it, but I can't necessarily recommend it to everyone since part of it left a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless, excited to watch this!

    • @Retro_Rainer
      @Retro_Rainer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      for example?

    • @celestialspark5697
      @celestialspark5697 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Retro_Rainer The answer to this, most of the times I see it, is one the parts of the game that involves difficult combat, since it is often an obstacle to progressing towards the more unique parts of the game. (The game does have the no-fail mode for this, but it's too binary for some people.)

    • @georgiahokie1994
      @georgiahokie1994 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@celestialspark5697 I didn't want to say too much for fear of spoilers. However, I think you're referring to exactly the spot. Up to that point, between puzzles and combat, I had cleared everything quite easily. The difficulty increase felt a bit arbitrary and left me very frustrated. I also agree that the no-fail mode is far too binary.

  • @megaman161
    @megaman161 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yesssss, love seeing blind reactions to Tunic~
    (And with Carl you really know it's gonna be 'blind' 😂)

  • @TheMAZZTer
    @TheMAZZTer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Garden Knight on the second try. It took me HOURS to beat him because I didn't understand how the upgrade system worked and had no upgrades (I thought I did). You pretty much have to dodge perfectly.

  • @X-wt8rd
    @X-wt8rd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a new game for me too. Excited to be blind with you for once!

  • @FalcoGer
    @FalcoGer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this game. It's so good. I'm even somewhat fluent in reading now.

  • @Darkshadow64540
    @Darkshadow64540 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:34:29 that is legitimately one of the hardest secrets to find...

  • @jodysgamingchannel9480
    @jodysgamingchannel9480 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want to watch this so bad, but Tunic is on my play list, and I don't want to spoil! Saving it for watch later!!!!

  • @eric8764
    @eric8764 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:18 is a very funny quote

  • @ActuallyNatarf
    @ActuallyNatarf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I miss the original edited videos, I feel like I could just look up twitch VODs for long format. Sadly don't have time for longer format. I totally get it if you're unable to upload edited versions for whatever reason. These games you've been playing are some of my all time favorite ;_;

    • @CarlPlayin42
      @CarlPlayin42  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I miss them too, but I've no money to pay an editor so there's nothing to be done.

    • @ActuallyNatarf
      @ActuallyNatarf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally understandable, I appreciate the content I do find time for

    • @Retro_Rainer
      @Retro_Rainer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      a game like this would almost not work edited down. at least the first couple hours are extremely important.

  • @ric8248
    @ric8248 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That napalm bomb is absolutely OP

  • @nehtomal
    @nehtomal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    LET'S GOOO, so happy to see this the same day it was streamed ! Just finished watching the Terraria playthrough too ! 🔥🔥

  • @golemqueen1988
    @golemqueen1988 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    dang i thought after like 5hrs of play myself i could at least watch an hour of Carl's playthrough and not see something new. Now I know i missed the lower forest aghhghghghghg

    • @golemqueen1988
      @golemqueen1988 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      also i just walked past the first bell i think, i didn't even dink it omg and i'm closer to a different bell at this point in my playthrough aghghgghghghg

  • @DefrostTaicho
    @DefrostTaicho 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tunic is the best game I played in all of 2023

  • @saschb
    @saschb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m so excited for this!

  • @theivoryguy2476
    @theivoryguy2476 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    HOLY FUCK??????????????

  • @creativenametxt2960
    @creativenametxt2960 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait, has the game been updated to include more content / different cut scenes or is my memory just bad?

  • @will2998
    @will2998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Never went deep into the game, i thought the difficulty was too high... I don't think I ever went through the same path as Carl barely 30 minutes into the VOD, so that might be the reason why

    • @Retro_Rainer
      @Retro_Rainer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't know how long you've been playing games, but in good designed games, if you get your ass handed to you, you're either missing something crucial, or you're not supposed to be there yet.

    • @will2998
      @will2998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Retro_Rainer I was only playing it for 1-2 Hours. I thought it was supposed to be that hard, because I was able to progress very slowly by baiting the enemy 1 by 1, and the game were advertised as "Soulslike" lol. I should probably replay it

  • @Alcamore
    @Alcamore 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let's gooooooo! I'm so excited

  • @steveh6612
    @steveh6612 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this game. So good.

  • @alexandergriffith468
    @alexandergriffith468 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This game is best played blind I have played it but replaying it completely changes what you can do immediately

    • @nebulae5236
      @nebulae5236 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Don’t worry, Carl’s twitch mods and twitch chat are keeping all spoilers and hints/backseating COMPLETELY out of the picture

  • @4our4u
    @4our4u 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    YES! YES!! YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS

    • @4our4u
      @4our4u 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sorry. I got excited.

  • @jayfox4291
    @jayfox4291 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Easily 1 of my fav newer games.

  • @Whageca
    @Whageca 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Edit: it's not clickbait, I just had stupid word choice. I read Carl's fantastic title, decided I had to play the game and bought it before spoilers. So I got baited into buying a fun game? Love Carl and his content! Will return when I beat the game!
    This title... I try to watch a lot of your videos but you may have click baited me with the title so hard to make me buy the game and watch the video after. Will decide tomorrow....

    • @CarlPlayin42
      @CarlPlayin42  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not clickbait XD

    • @roysourboy358
      @roysourboy358 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Highly highly recommend trying it for yourself before watching a playthrough.

    • @Whageca
      @Whageca 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@CarlPlayin42 hi Carl clickbait was the wrong word. I clicked on the video before reading the title, read your title and decided I wanted to play the game before too much was spoiled. I look forward to watching your video after I play it! :)

  • @willigar8529
    @willigar8529 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes yes yes yes
    Request to all please please please dont spoil

  • @DigitalNomad765
    @DigitalNomad765 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's very Zeldaish looking 😊😊

  • @briandoe5746
    @briandoe5746 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The starting music sounds like it's from the marble machine Wintergatan... Thats a little suspect

  • @y7o4ka
    @y7o4ka 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Mommy shrine" 😮

  • @CrudusViscus
    @CrudusViscus 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:00
    You're welcome

  • @ApexBrachydios
    @ApexBrachydios 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    that was fast

  • @Saiavinn
    @Saiavinn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If bro had fiddled just a little longer with his running explanation, he probably would've discovered prayer...

  • @roysourboy358
    @roysourboy358 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let’s goooooooo tunic

  • @kgriffin1032
    @kgriffin1032 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes

  • @crisgriffin3042
    @crisgriffin3042 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I guess regular linear games are teaching gamers to not explore the whole available open world, by soft-locking you on "the right path", so a lot of players are afraid of "going too far" and finding interesting or essential items way later in the game because of that.

    • @CarlPlayin42
      @CarlPlayin42  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ? I explore wide first rather than deep so I miss fewer things, because it's a soulslike and I don't want to smash my face into something that'll be easier later/with the right knowledge/upgrades.

  • @Nat_the_Chicken
    @Nat_the_Chicken 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love momfire, but the problem with it is that the "mom" figure is meant to be nonbinary (according to in-game text, which even uses it/its at one point). I guess it's just that since their _tunic_ is washed out spirit blue, it looks more like a dress, and maybe something about the eyes is accidentally coded as feminine, because everyone (including me at first) assumes female.

    • @CarlPlayin42
      @CarlPlayin42  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very valid, I realized much later into the game that both you and them are basically genderless and not familiarly related like I had possibly guessed.

  • @TheRealBatabii
    @TheRealBatabii 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I played this game totally blind and I was really disappointed how the gameplay was like...90% dark souls, 10% zelda. The tunic was a misdirection

    • @Retro_Rainer
      @Retro_Rainer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      how was it a misdirection? you're playing as a fox in a tunic. 100% accurate. and since dark souls is heavily influenced by zelda, even if the gameplay is 90% souls, that makes it like 50% zelda overall.

  • @TheZenytram
    @TheZenytram 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10 min into the video, why would this be a soulslike game, where in it resemble anything about darksouls ?????????.
    if anything it is a LttP like.