@Boolard-ln2pu though they are still op if you let them loose. They are a menace that needs to be stopped, and some of these methods help in this purpose
So its fine if a unit that costs 140 less TIX can kill the mobility of a tank that cost 180 TIX, but it is not fine when a unit that costs 15 less TIX can obliterate a unit that cost 40 TIX.
@@goldenzed6455 RPG does mid damage to bt (40% max) and cant do anything against snipers and grunts (50% less damage against them) so he usually dies after attacking meanwhile SMG Squad is jack of all trades able to deal with grunts and armored units (SMG Squad does 20% max against bt while also having more hp and being cheaper). He isnt anything OP but still annoying thanks to him being a glass cannon.
i absolutely despise SMG because even though combat engineers exist, their grenade does 20 DAMAGE to apcs and light vehicles like supply carrier, how does a grenade penetrate or even slightly scratch a BATTLE TANK (12 damage) COMPOSITE ARMOUR 40 CM THICK
How to eat up your enemy's whole infantry group in pvp mode: First you need light gunners positioned in their pushing way(predict it) When you caught an enemy pull out a sniper to make sure there isnt any armor and just pull out a medium armored tank and a whole smg squad to eat up their whole infantry
@@phonicstream9740me suffering so badly on PvP when I am against a smg user(I lost 4/4 times to that guy even thought I had an “almost perfect” loadout to unleash the smgs Pls nerf smg…..
Fact: grenade in SMG squad can anti-tonk if you have enough squad and do it (throw grenade) alternate, tonk will be lost hp. so I use this one to anti tonk if my tonk is out of fuel or don’t have a anti tonk unit (Idk this fact is new for me or it just a normal one and I think my English skill is bad😅)
I will say, in the defence of SMG users, I usually only use 2-3 SMG’s per starting spawn. And that combined with ambulance is a personal favorite. The reason I use SMG’s is because I don’t use artillery in my attack builds (don’t say it’s not effective) so I have no need for radios, and using Grunt M is with ambulance is pointless. So SMG’s can use grenades as a substitute for arty, while being healed by ambulance. Plus, I use modern tactics with SMG squads, such as tanking damage with vehicles and using infantry to snuff out other infantry. All together (plus the German skin) I use blitzkrieg tactics most of the time, and SMG is perfect for this.
Flame tank is weird. It doesn’t have the range or flexibility to be used as effectively against infantry as other options yet it lacks any means of de de being itself against other armored units
As someone who has gotten board of the campaigns and have beat them all. I mostly play PvP to show my skills and boost my ego. Im pretty sure SMG got nerfed but you still will find a SMG spammer in a lobby once. The problem is that they are not noobs and use BTs to sniper heavy armor for the SMGs. This really pisses me off because i dont want to change my loadout to counter SMG and not normal loadouts. So i've slowly merged rocket truck into my loadout and the nerf made it much better.
how to destroy smg squads (simplified) 1. use aoe (they're cheap so they're very spammable so aoe) 2. sapper (use mines to slow them down) 3.tanks (distract and block the path) 4. recon car (go forward, attack, retreat, repeat) 5. high damage (one shot them)
i "unintentionally" used the rocket strat, worked like a charm against smg squad spammer in pvp. (by "unintentionally", i mean i accidently equipped it before a match)
Hmmmmm, might start using CS tanks, I have been looking for a tank that be anti infantry, yet still keep up with the tactics of the battle tank, CS tanks might just do it
I think that smg squad had their flaw and advantage their advantage is that is they are shock trooper so they will destory infantry in the way and light armor vehicle just like german ww1 stromtrooper now their flaw is when they attack and already use grenade that is your chance to counter back with grunt or artillery
Also I think that remove their multi attack would make them useless since they are not shock trooper anymore they would die before even had a chance to throw grenade
This video has a bit of fun in it, but honestly it was very useful for me. After this tutorial I understood how important is it to be able to pin down or scare a unit. I understood the importance and sheer power of snipers, now they always hold special place in my inventory as an ultimate anti infantry unit.
For me i chose the smg squad and grunts or grunts m (heres because: i was testing the test Server on ts but then... in normal ts i got the smg squad soo any body they not goes rage soo... yeah..)
How to neutralize SMG Squad one get sniper team as they have the longest range in infantry but you need to get the pins so you don't have to worry about your snipers getting killed by the SMG Squad how do you know that units these behind bullet trails when they attack the sniper team also has a radio to call an artillery if you have any artillery units on standby within range that have ammo
when i play bedroom attack rigged trio i spawn many strong unit but third player spawn four smg squad to face 2 recon tank atgm and 1 recon car and second player spawn transport truck and rocket battery and yeah just transport truvk and rcoket truck no radio unit
My strategy for deleting those annoying guys who make playing on the veteran whatever difficulty like the second difficulty whatever extremely hard is to simply be like I don't care if you're good against vehicles or guys without much armor when it comes to your little grenades because I'm going to make them explode you with my SPAAAAAAAAAAAG and the extra a means them screaming as they get teleported into heaven faster than when you did a tutorial but you bring your own units such as a battle tank
at least i got the radio tech but your bot freind will use your loadout and if you have a radio tech in your loudout then your bot friend will kill most of your units it will be very terrible if its rigged mode
Well because it’s a pre evolution to grunts, everyone is forced to at least use it a bit. Which is kinda a shame those players have to get dogged on for using smg when they have no choice
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The SMG Squad Eats Morale From Its Enemy As Breakfast
It also gets its own morale mulched by everything in the game
The whole flametrhower evolution:
Fear me and my quad launcher from fortnight.
(Seriously though, flame launcher is S++)
@@phonicstream9740 ah yes, asking for it to get nerfed but also showing how to counter it (hence why it isn't too op).
@Boolard-ln2pu though they are still op if you let them loose. They are a menace that needs to be stopped, and some of these methods help in this purpose
The smg squad's cons:
long potato cooldown
Radio tech be like: pin down 3 infranty,deal 125+dmg to nearby ally troop
the 3 pins are your own units
I like the idea of an SMG Squad but I don't enjoy having my grunts obliterated by some freaks with submarine guns and potatoes
So its fine if a unit that costs 140 less TIX can kill the mobility of a tank that cost 180 TIX, but it is not fine when a unit that costs 15 less TIX can obliterate a unit that cost 40 TIX.
@@goldenzed6455 RPG does mid damage to bt (40% max) and cant do anything against snipers and grunts (50% less damage against them) so he usually dies after attacking meanwhile SMG Squad is jack of all trades able to deal with grunts and armored units (SMG Squad does 20% max against bt while also having more hp and being cheaper).
He isnt anything OP but still annoying thanks to him being a glass cannon.
SMG squad also dies after attacking but you know
I’m sorry submarine guns???
@@MR.D3RP0 Yeah they use
SubMachine guns
Grunts M shall rise again
Not if they get obliterated in ONE TURN on TRYHARD
Rocket truck and Howitzers honest reaction:
@@frosttoros663*spaag left the chat*
@@frosttoros663as a howitzer i can confirm that
@@Deleted_channel2627 spaag is too expensive. Also no splash damage
it not only destroyes infantry but it also steals supply trucks like its candy
When you give an smg a supply truck
@@phonicstream9740 my 4 HT CW close to the Supply Carrier: dont worry, we got you. 5s later:SURRENDERED
i absolutely despise SMG because even though combat engineers exist, their grenade does 20 DAMAGE to apcs and light vehicles like supply carrier, how does a grenade penetrate or even slightly scratch a BATTLE TANK (12 damage) COMPOSITE ARMOUR 40 CM THICK
funnily enough theres a more balanced version of SMG squad in the game, its just only obtainable with commands
@@phonicstream9740devs trolling us
I did guest build up on rigged in 7 turns but on tryhard... Wayy more and you know why
The closest to anti-tank grunts we'll get. (I was thinking of an OP unit where grunts carried an RPG / bazooka with them, like weapon squads irl)
@@veosult9066 commandos have bazookas in their backpacks but don't use them for some reason
i feel like combat engineers are more of a menace than smg squad there grenades deal like 30 dmg to heavy armor
Some that you forgot to include: ifv, grunts + howi spam and scout tank
I didnt include those because they are more obvious, but also braindead
Scout tank is braindead?@@phonicstream9740
Not as brain dead as ifv but it does seem a pretty obvious choice
I use my grunts m and they die in one grenade smg combo
How to eat up your enemy's whole infantry group in pvp mode:
First you need light gunners positioned in their pushing way(predict it)
When you caught an enemy pull out a sniper to make sure there isnt any armor and just pull out a medium armored tank and a whole smg squad to eat up their whole infantry
Who knew some guys with smg and nades could be a crisis
18 dmg to bt lol
@@phonicstream9740 wow 18 for 25 and mortar cost 40 and it does 10 only balance lol
(I changed grunts to smg cuz of this XD)
@@phonicstream9740me suffering so badly on PvP when I am against a smg user(I lost 4/4 times to that guy even thought I had an “almost perfect” loadout to unleash the smgs
Pls nerf smg…..
@@chemicalyt7409oh no.. you were suppose to be against them not join them!!
@@kewi2920 BUTS ITS TOO GOOOD
Sniper team + Rocket Truck duo will obliterate SMGs
Yeah
You inspired me to play this great game again, Thank you.
Go ahead but just know the game is very broken right now
At least make its AT less because it still deals 20 damage to light armor
its armor pen is already 0
let go radio tech my beloved for the win :)
As a assault gun player, I feel honored
SMG is sooooooo broken that it instantly invalidates rifleman by alot aside of the pitiful 1 tile radio
Hey did it get fixed by now just got back ti nic
11-th way to humble SMG squad - Another SMG squad
Humble yourself!
Nah grunt with the radio can still gang up on a smg.... WHAT IF i scout it down then take care of it first before it clap my grunts????
9:57 Now imagine multihtank CS
please do not give them ideas
@@phonicstream9740 Now imagine biker CS
@@phonicstream9740Actually Heli strapped with bunker buster gun sounds better
@@СлаваКиржаевaw hel naw
They should make an apc cs (a mortar strapped to an apc)
Rockets are RNG bases. so you need to pray to god that most of them won't friendly fire.
I love radio tech screen as i always use it in loadout lel
the silly
XD
Seriously i barely go nic but when i go once i just annihilate people in pvp who forgot ban radio and dip
_Funny Katyusha noise intensified_
Smg if you are using it against bots:👍🗿
Smg if they fight you with their bot leader💀💀💀😒
Riflmen mains stays on top!!!1!11!1!
Fact: grenade in SMG squad can anti-tonk if you have enough squad and do it (throw grenade) alternate, tonk will be lost hp. so I use this one to anti tonk if my tonk is out of fuel or don’t have a anti tonk unit
(Idk this fact is new for me or it just a normal one and I think my English skill is bad😅)
I will say, in the defence of SMG users, I usually only use 2-3 SMG’s per starting spawn. And that combined with ambulance is a personal favorite.
The reason I use SMG’s is because I don’t use artillery in my attack builds (don’t say it’s not effective) so I have no need for radios, and using Grunt M is with ambulance is pointless. So SMG’s can use grenades as a substitute for arty, while being healed by ambulance.
Plus, I use modern tactics with SMG squads, such as tanking damage with vehicles and using infantry to snuff out other infantry.
All together (plus the German skin) I use blitzkrieg tactics most of the time, and SMG is perfect for this.
Just remove its double attack ability and its balanced.
So simple yet they won’t do it
Commando V2’s reaction to only recon having multi move:
Flame tank actually does more damage than most of the rest of the options for fire, but is vulnerable to other tanks and AT
Flame tank is weird. It doesn’t have the range or flexibility to be used as effectively against infantry as other options yet it lacks any means of de de being itself against other armored units
‘All we need to do is hold on until it gets balanced’
The balance in question:
As someone who has gotten board of the campaigns and have beat them all. I mostly play PvP to show my skills and boost my ego. Im pretty sure SMG got nerfed but you still will find a SMG spammer in a lobby once. The problem is that they are not noobs and use BTs to sniper heavy armor for the SMGs. This really pisses me off because i dont want to change my loadout to counter SMG and not normal loadouts. So i've slowly merged rocket truck into my loadout and the nerf made it much better.
ngl half track cs is my favourite vehicle in the game it just is useful in so many situations
Yeah since it stays in the back most of the time
@@phonicstream9740 and isn't Braun rot
i will forever stay true to the Grunts mortar combo
SMG: You cant defeat me
Multi H: Yeah but she can
Bunker buster: Hello
at 4:27 the missle tank fires to the beat of the backround music
Purely coincidence but ok
SMG squad when they are very close to your bunker:
Mr.President is also a great counter, unfortunately or fortunately the man is locked behind a version without SMG
There is a way
how to destroy smg squads (simplified)
1. use aoe (they're cheap so they're very spammable so aoe)
2. sapper (use mines to slow them down)
3.tanks (distract and block the path)
4. recon car (go forward, attack, retreat, repeat)
5. high damage (one shot them)
damn those lucky riflemen issued with smgs instead of bolt rifles and grenades instead of potatoes
RADIO TECH!!
nay to smg squad yay to grunts
i "unintentionally" used the rocket strat, worked like a charm against smg squad spammer in pvp.
(by "unintentionally", i mean i accidently equipped it before a match)
Happens
I'm nerfing this to the ground
do it
Pls do it
The 25 tix commando but no healing things
What a brilliant idea…
Also, I personally think the IFV (INFANTRY FIGHTING VEHICLE) To prove useful
Hmmmmm, might start using CS tanks, I have been looking for a tank that be anti infantry, yet still keep up with the tactics of the battle tank, CS tanks might just do it
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Nice thumbnail you got there :troll:
No more smg squad
At least they don’t do damage to light vehicles anymore and they have weaker guns, but still, you can’t fight back
Solution: SUPERIOR ARTILLERY FIREPOWER
Ah yes smg squads biggest fear, women. 2:07
In first method its 485 tix worth of units to beat a 205 worth of SMGs + RPGs
Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
Just use rocket truck and howitzer. I don't even need anti vehicle in my deck because of them
The SMG squad is too memetic to stop
April fool's marines are better 😎👍
They are weaker now, but i cant believe that they cost the same as riflemen.. they should cost at least 40 tix with how versatile they are
I think that smg squad had their flaw and advantage their advantage is that is they are shock trooper so they will destory infantry in the way and light armor vehicle just like german ww1 stromtrooper now their flaw is when they attack and already use grenade that is your chance to counter back with grunt or artillery
Also I think that remove their multi attack would make them useless since they are not shock trooper anymore they would die before even had a chance to throw grenade
The balanced smg squad be like:
-25 > 30 tix
-can attack with its submachine gun twice
-Gernade cooldown: 3 > 2 turn
-Gernade dmg: 35 > 20
-Gernade 0 > 5 AP
-Submachine gun 4 > 2 ammo (both)
-Sub machine gun does 7-8 x 4 (28-32 dmg) instead of 10-11 x4 (40-44 dmg)
-90 HP > 85 HP
My fellow AA gun user
Would be cool if devs rebalance SMG Squad by nerfing the attack times to only once every turn, make them cost 30 tix.
Grunts and grunts m shall take the the number 1 needed unit again
And going to be nerfed to the ground like gunship
I am using SMG just so that I can evolve it into Grunts
Yeah why did they make it a pre evolution?
If you cant beat SMG just join them.
i've turned to using a smg squad blitzkrieg strat in pvp since they came out 😭
This video has a bit of fun in it, but honestly it was very useful for me. After this tutorial I understood how important is it to be able to pin down or scare a unit. I understood the importance and sheer power of snipers, now they always hold special place in my inventory as an ultimate anti infantry unit.
I use SMG for WW2 loadout
Combine smg squad and recon tanks, now you got a stormtrooper div
I dont think that would be a good idea
At this point id rather have the devs just move grunts to a lower level
ice cream machines are so humble
wumble
numble
dimbly dumble
dog go ho hum i think his names thrumble
Smg flavored ice cream
Just chill is called logic🗿
i like that ending, sadly i dont have the unit
unfortunate they removed it
Man...
Wish i got radio tech when i could have
Imagine a MultiBTank CS 🔥🔥
There’s not really a point to that existing so don’t count on it
For me i chose the smg squad and grunts or grunts m (heres because: i was testing the test Server on ts but then... in normal ts i got the smg squad soo any body they not goes rage soo... yeah..)
The best thing to happen is to have the squad
How to neutralize SMG Squad one get sniper team as they have the longest range in infantry but you need to get the pins so you don't have to worry about your snipers getting killed by the SMG Squad how do you know that units these behind bullet trails when they attack the sniper team also has a radio to call an artillery if you have any artillery units on standby within range that have ammo
Me summarizing the video
hans get the flammenwerfer
It werfs flamen
they sound pretty balanced given there are 10 ways to counter them arent you just supposed to play around their strengths
And what do we do about the heavy tank CW that is already available on the nic test server?
its the test server, its not actually going to become available on main
Let's Just hope it won't be added
@@phonicstream9740 this aged like milk..
They add
I absolutely hate enemy smg units, i have full hp grunts, and some guests with fast rifle and exploding potato killed my grunts with 1 turn
Yet people insist they are balanced, because they “lack artillery”
when i play bedroom attack rigged trio i spawn many strong unit but third player spawn four smg squad to face 2 recon tank atgm and 1 recon car and second player spawn transport truck and rocket battery and yeah just transport truvk and rcoket truck no radio unit
Wth
What is the method 10 unit?
It doesn’t matter anymore because it’s unobtainable, unfortunately
Thats disappointing, still I would like to know
Radio tech, it’s more of a joke unit
They should add a unit to counter the smg.
theres a lot of units that can counter smg
Bro forgot that armed heli works pretty well on smgs especially when they are grouped XD
Heli is for losers
@phonicstream9740 no I mean using it wisely
It’s still absolute cheese because air defense is hardly ever present in the game
REMOVE SMG SQUAD MULTI ATTACK
My strategy for deleting those annoying guys who make playing on the veteran whatever difficulty like the second difficulty whatever extremely hard is to simply be like I don't care if you're good against vehicles or guys without much armor when it comes to your little grenades because I'm going to make them explode you with my SPAAAAAAAAAAAG and the extra a means them screaming as they get teleported into heaven faster than when you did a tutorial but you bring your own units such as a battle tank
I absolutely despise SMG, i only use them to upgrade to grunts
yeah that was a dumb design choice
POV: me running for my life because i just got smg's and i need 600 for grunts
Pizzanoob8989 has been quiet since this dropped (I know he is mostly mtc4 sunny valley showcase TH-camr and I am late)
at least i got the radio tech but your bot freind will use your loadout and if you have a radio tech in your loudout then your bot friend will kill most of your units it will be very terrible if its rigged mode
Nobody uses radio tech unironically it’s a funny joke unit yo screw with your friends
but i own radio tech@@phonicstream9740
Ty how to save my smgs from death😈
It’s easier to save your SMGs from death if you just don’t use them
i used to have smg to farm exp (i decided to get diamonds to get it) and i use flame tank
Well because it’s a pre evolution to grunts, everyone is forced to at least use it a bit. Which is kinda a shame those players have to get dogged on for using smg when they have no choice
yo i have grunts now (im prepping to put artillery and increase starting tix)
Tips: use helicopter against the smg troop
use helicopter against your brain cells
Why
The radio tech part………
.
Death..:
What’s the name of the last unit?
Radio tech
@@phonicstream9740 thanks
“Spams about 5000000000 SMGs
Radio tech:😈😈😈
NERF SMG
petition to nerf smg
what about bt? oh right they can get overwhelmed
Surrender simulator
Still like smg squad