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To be fair, if he couldn't get Mars to be totally loyal to the Imperium the Imperium would've gotten their asses kicked...badly. And even if they somehow survived until after the Horus Heresy without Mars they sure as hell wouldn't have been able to survive the current timeline. So, Big E probably knew he kind of had to make huge concessions to ensure the loyalty of Mars
I mean technically he is robot Jesus, since he loves tech and basically improves technology ,also since he shove that giant robo dragon down into the core , he basically caused the Martian to become who they are today , so technically he is robot jesus
So you're saying he basically walked in and fixed the WIFI....or something to that effect...which is believable because people seem to be amazed when I do it in real life.
Can you come over and fix my parents WiFi the next time my mom flips the switch off, charge like 500$ and explain that if it's turned off again you'll have to come over and "fix" it again and charge 500$ again. I'm thinking this may prevent an urgent phone call demanding I come to handle this "serious inconvenience of confusing but necessary technology".
The part that always got me with this was that the Emperor was willing to go along with it. It's not that that's weird, but that HE saw the benefit of it here, and acted, but should have seen the same benefit other times, and adamantly refused to allow it, or take advantage. I can almost imagine Lorgar smashing a table; the Mechanicus is permitted to worship Him, but the Word Bearers, and those they brought into compliance, were not. Sure, time wad one factor; Lorgar was dragging his feet compared to some other Primarchs, but other stories seem to hint that, for the most part, the Emperor simply refused to ket people worship Him, even if it would have been beneficial, and He wad willing to make things significantly harder to press the point. If He had just told Lorgar "prove your faith by using all of your superhuman power, and that of your Word Bearers, to work faster, I think Lorgar would have totally attempted it. Oh well.
It is likely he saw the possible impact of what mass belief could have on him. If enough people believe something then the effect of the warp on a specific individual would be possible devastating. He likely didn't want to become a slave to the warp due to the beliefs people would have of his divinity. So when he allowed Mars to have that view that was probably his limit to ensure it didn't get out of hand. All speculation obviously.
The tech boys weren't lagging around on their jobs or shoving their religious beliefs down peoples throats like lorgar was doing . The emperor was willing to let shady and heretical things slide as long as good results were rolling in , e.g Angron , Mortarion and Conrad who were actively practicing war crimes and the emperor gave no fuucks whatsoever. He only barely told lorgar to stop the religious shenanigans at first and let the word bearers continue with their thing until he learned they were slow at conquest coz of said thing .
Well you answered you’re own question, Lorgar basically refused to pick up the pace so the emperor had a slow and religious legion which no wonder he hated
It might also be because the mechanicus have a minor soul presence in the warp due to them removing parts of their bodies and inhibiting their emotions. This also means that the mass worship of the mechanicus was negligible because the entire religion didn't amount to the amount of warp presence lorgar must have been generating.
Hold up MajorKill, are we sure that UR-025 was talking about the Void Dragon when he spoke of the “real” Omnissiah? That would imply he’s been to the Noctis Labyrinthus, which would mean that whatever guardian that was on duty at the time either didn’t notice him there, or didn’t stop him from taking knowledge of its existence out of there. Could be he’s speaking of some “other” entity he’s encountered, which he considers the true Omnissiah.
Well, the Void Dragon is capable of manifesting itself in the subconscious of the martians (that's why the Mechanicum came to be in first place), so maybe it could do better than that with sentient AIs like the men of iron. Actually talk to them without being present, and not just insinuate itself.
To be far I don't think a machine would actively need to go to the Noctis Labyrinthus especially if the Void Dragons essence, power and whispers are exuding out into mars and beyond. Couldn't the Void Dragon more easily communicate with, or at least influence, Machine Spirits and Artificial Intelligence over pure organic lifeforms and even cybernetic lifeforms (though they'd probably be more effected). You do have a point with your argument, so I'm curious what other entity could possibly be what they're referring to (maybe another C'Tan such as the deceiver).
@@obamaprism4168The leading scientific teams, institutes, laboratories, during the Golden age of Mankind, including those who perfected AI and created the Men of iron. It feels very 40k for the Mechanicum to have eventually built a religious cult out of the echoes of long-forgotten Einsteins from a long-forgotten past. The fathers of the DAOT scientific breakthroughs, that would be gutted to see how science became bigoted superstitions and that they are collectively remembered as a god. The same disgust UR-025 showed towards the tech"priest".
There's a chance that the Emperor encountered the wounded and mostly intact Void Dragon on ancient Terra, and the 2 came into an agreement. Big E would hide the Void Dragon on Mars and protect it from any Necrons and Aeldar that might be in the area, in turn the Void Dragon would influence the people of Mars, slowly turning them into what Big E needed. The Void Dragon's influence may have been what allowed mankind to survive the Cybernetic Revolt. The very few Men of Iron that are walking around might have been damaged and see the Void Dragon as the god of the machines.
I'd say this theory has merit, but in the book that takes us to the Void Dragon, he is slumbering, and being held in a prison. Mars was used as his prison, because it had machines inside it already that could hold him.
If Horus heresy didn't happen, I guess emperor would have destroyed mechanicas and their cult after he finished webway project. Vulkan, ferrus, perturabo and their legions could've taken the role as provider of new techs. Btw Great video as always
It's likely that course of action would likely be more trouble than it's worth. The Emperor could've instead have Lorgar alter their belief system and slowly convert them to the Imperial truth. If they have a religious civil war, let them wipe each other out and eliminate any survivors.
@@TheRealTemper it all depends on what stops the Heresy, maybe Lorgar wasn't raised by Chaos Worshippers, maybe Erebus didn't influence Lorgar to the Chaos gods. Either way, the Heresy was more or less started by him and if it didn't happen they he'd need to be a different person.
@@electricfeverx976 Actually, Majorkill recently did a video on What if the Horus Heresy didn't happen, and whilst it's just a theory and no theory can be treated as gospel, he theorized that Lorgar would stil fall to Chaos, but fail to convince any of his brothers, thus silently spreading Chaos throughout the Imperium until he is found out and destroyed
I don't think the emperor would've done such a thing to be honest, he's not that kind of guy to just kill the mechanicus. He's still human enough, and will only seek logic and reason.
I remember reading somewhere that the Dragon on Mars fought the Big E during the time of Ancient Terra and that is where the myth of Saint George and the Dragon comes from.
It's just a theory, that is not known for certain, if my memory is correct the book said the emperor fought the dragon in a desert in the middle east. The legend of St George says he kill it in the UK (why he is the UK patrion saint).
@@matan8074 The legend is in Turkey, the Emperor's birthplace. Maybe he wanted to clean the backyard and found this bastard Necron hiding there? The oldest villages are Turkish. Will you see man's manipulation of iron come from the Dragon? The manipulation of metal has its origins in Turkey as well and I have no doubt that the Emperor lived and learned everything about the galaxy from this monster.
I think that's just old lore. If the Dragon did end up getting trapped by Big-E it was probably during the Age of Terra at some later point when humanity actually had space travel
This is probably the piece of Necron lore I like the most and the one that engaged me in wh40k lore in general. That interview with the heretical ex-techpriest in the first Necron codex (when they were the death serious killing machines, and not the petty and sometimes humorous metal Egyptians of today, and also the C'tan were full power reality gods and not lobotomized scraps) was nuts.
Imo they really ruined the Necrons, In 4th ed they were unique mysterious and interesting to play. Then for whatever reason they made Tomb kings in space...
@@tisFrancesfault probably because the role of soulless killing machines bonded to a greater and alien will was already filled by the Tyranids. In some sense I still prefer the old Necrons, but the retcon made interesting characters like Trazin and the Silent King. Also giving them personality makes their story more tragic and likeable. The galaxy is already full of edgy baddies; the new Necrons are not worse than the humans.
I prefer Necrons how they are now. Far more interesting, than the boring ass shit they were before. Also, C'tan are still super powerful. In the Infinite and the Divine, six shards of the Deceiver combine and they are capable of casually reaching through space time to lift up a black hole that had swallowed and entire galaxy, and use it as a throwing weapon. That is the mass of an entire galaxy being thrown. And that is just what happens when six shards manage to come together. Besides that, Orikan, Trazyn, the Silent King and the Undying as well as others are all pretty awesome.
@@SomeGuy-qh6rw Nah, again they are just Tomb kings in space, the Unique characters are just rip offs of the tomb kings Characters . They've even really lost their style. Before it was very understated yet stylised. and now well They are less unique and imo actually have less character than when, except for the Lords, were mysterious silent terminatoresque killing machines. Now too dramatic, too flamboyant. Trying to make them more unique made them more like everyone else. And the C'tan are in that respect too OP, and kind comes off as silly..
I love the theory that my fellow Cogboys in the Mechanicus are inadvertently making Slaanesh 2.0 in the Warp through unintended worship. Would be a pretty hilarious.
Since their worship is going towards the Emperor, it's increasing his warp presence. There's theories that if he ever dies or wakes up, he would become much more powerful than even the chaos gods. If he dies, he's in the warp. Otherwise he's not.
I could totally see the Dark Mechanicum viewing Perturabo as the avatar of the Omnissiah, because he can understand all kind of tech without all kind of effort needed.
@@Primus_Phallus Ferrus was normal, it's just that his legion is actually as crazy as the Admech when it comes to replacing their body parts with mechanical stuff
Any ability Perturabo has came from the Emperor, and isn't the whole thing with the Dark Mechanicum that the Emperor was a false Omnissiah? They're so far gone that I wouldn't be surprised if they started believing Tzeentch was the Machine God due to how new technologies cause change etc. The motive force and all that. I don't think they would believe that a creation of the false Omnissiah is the real one.
The Machine God being the Void Dragon has to be my favourite theory. The Mechanicus is already frighteningly similar to the old necrontyr on their obsession with machines and immortality, even though they dont realise it and despise the necrons. The cult Mechanicus being essentially a cargo cult built around a xeno God is very fitting and deliciously ironic when considering their dogmatic beliefs about the superiority of humanity and their tech.
@lychzwei But isn't the Omnissiah meant to be the incarnation of the Machine God? Seems like it would make more sense if the Void Dragon was the Omnissiah, and the Machine God was the greater "motive force" or whatever. Regardless, the Emperor beat him up and stuck him under Mars, so it's the Emperor now lol
"The Omnissiah knows all, comprehends all." that void dragon does not, so the void dragon is not the Omnissiah/MachineGod the marsians don't know about this dragon and they don't worship it, and have no intention to and never had. that dragon only influence people on the planet to get very interested/skilled with tech. the marsians have never worshipped that dragon, they don't even know about that dragon, they worship the one who knows all, the Omnissiah, and "the Omnissiah knows all, and comprehends all". that dragon does not know all, although a technological genius.
the Omnissiah is the embodiment and bestower of all knowledge and technology in the universe, some of that knowledge were bestowed through that dragon, not all. some knowledge was bestowed through the emperror, not all, the Omnissiah is the prime/original/fundamental source of ALL knowledge and technology in the universe, therefore indescribably greater than that dragon or that emperror
the omnissiah being the only god generally accepted as not being from the warp or associated with the warp is a big finger pointing to either it not being real , being a Ctan, or a metaphysical idea of logic that hasnt formed in the warp yet since in my opionion its anti-thethical to the whole realm its self
but wasn't there that one time where "The Greater Good" manifested as a mini-warp deity but since the Tau saw it as more of a demonic perversion it just ceased to exist. meaning that it is entirely possible that the "Order gods" (Big-E, Omnissiah, star-child, and the greater good) can manifest in the warp with enough worship and collective thought to manifest it
@@GodKitty677 ‘I demand you desist,’ the magos said when his technological arts failed him. ‘Stand down, machine, by the Machine-God and the Omnissiah! Stop, stop, stop!’ he pleaded. ‘You know nothing of either,’ said UR-025. ‘I have met the Omnissiah. The actual one, not the Earthling corpse. He would find you extremely disappointing.’ That probably is the quote from the 'Men of Iron' (Vaults of Obsidian) short story you are referring to. There are 2 entities according to both the (Metalica) Magos and UR-025. It seems that the Omnissiah is the prophet of the Machine God.
You know what would be quite interesting? The beliefs of the techpriests surely influence and manifest in the warp - meaning that somewhere in the warp, an entity that IS the omnissiah is forming. Maybe it wasn't before, but it will be, or certainly wants to be - and it it doesn't just end up as an aspect of the emperor, it might want to try and take on the void dragon (not just one shard, as many as possible) and gain the physical form of what the Omnissiah was before it existed. Might sound silly, but it would make for far grander a story for necron - mechanicus conflicts than "Ooh, a tombworld - let's risk waking the deadly space skeleton's up too look at their fancy heretical tech!" You could write it out into a long-ass conflict, and possibly end up with a Primarch+ Being at the top of the Mechanicus. Than a bunch of conflicts with the inquisition, because that's not exactly something that would be easy to keep secret.
I had the same idea, but that it would be the remnants of Ferrus Magnus's Soul would be some sort of "nucleus" or even absorbed into it. His mind would struggle with dominance the Ad Mechanicus' depiction of the Machine God driving it. The Machine God would hate " The weakness of Flesh" while Magnus would either represent mankind inventing and using machines. Eventually they would settle on the blending of Flesh and Steel whether the literal Ad Mech cyborgs or even man building and creating machines.
In the game mechanicus there are some instances where you pray to the Omnissiah and it actually anwsers your prayes in some ways like code that seemingly comes from nowere and improves your combat capabilities (like better aim, defences, etc) or that cleanses necron data corruption plus in lore there are mysterious kastelan robot units that sometimes come on their own ships with no human interverion to aid in times of need and after the fight is done they go back to their ships and banish without a trace, mechanicus believe that it's the Omnissiah answering their prayer, if it's the emperor helping mechanicus, another warp entity/god created by mechanicus faith, some antient autamatic defence systems getting activating or something else is a mystery.
The human members of the Tau empire created some sort of greater good deity and they are less numerous than the mechanicus, It seem possible to me that there is a thirth possible machine god/Omnnissiah in the form of a warp entity.
So let me get this straight, he was like "yo, wtf is this lizard?, ah never mind I'll just lock it in mars" Then the Martians become smarts so he come back and basically said "yo, you become smart because of me" even though in actually it was that weird ass lizard we defeated millenia ago that he probably forgot anyway
In book 9 HH Mechanicum, the Emperor admitted he could not kill the Void Dragon, only supress it, so he locked it up on Mars. Plus the Dragon was eating virgins, waste of good puss, Emps could not allow that.
@@Primus_Phallus Yeah I think there's something about the ctan that means killing one would damage reality or something. Same reason the Necrons decided to shatter them instead.
I'd like to see a story where the voiddragon wakes up, exposes the emperor, and a second Martian Civil War is started between a new c tan worshiping mechanicus faction, dark mechanicus and the true mechanicus.
@@anothertarnishedone5960 there's belisarius, maybe he can raise a rebellion. Plus the mechanicus can be just as racist and untrustworthy as the rest of the imperium. So I would wager the vast majority will choose to believe the emperor is the omnisiah no matter what.
What about the man of Iron who just flat out said the Emperor wasn't the Omnissiah. Although in 40k fashion, he conveniently neglected to say who IS the Omnissiah.
Not enough toaster sex jokes in this video but it was excellent moral of the story you’re gonna be tricked or half tricked for you’re worth and efficiency
Idea: the reason the Emperor tolerates the Mechanicum worshiping him is that the psychic energy generated by faith in the Machine God, Omnissiah & Motive Force are part of the prison he built for the Void Dragon?
6:20 In the book Mechanicum if I remember right the Emperor defeated the Void Dragon some time during the Roman Empire. It’s not really clear if what we are shown though is a actually what happened or a warped perspective. Also the guy only GUESSES that the Emperor put the Dragon of Mars there for the future Mechanicum to eventually start worship unknowingly.
10:03 I doubt UR-025 knows anything about the Void Dragon. Rather, that the Omnissiah is a wholly separate being that has nothing to do with the Void Dragon or the Emperor. IMO, the actual Omnissiah is probably some kind of super-AI, like Skynet, or the Votann.
I'd be down for that. Considering the AI were once a threat so grand the Daemon Kingdoms vanished, and numerous races had to unify and go extinct to stop them from digitizing reality.
Short term: It will probably cause a lot of destruction but since Terra is literally nearby, it will either be defeated or nuked from orbit shortly after its awakening. Long term: The Imperium is fucked, period. Without the Void Dragon the AdMech will be severely less useful and losing Mars (the Galaxy's biggest and greatest factory) will be a devastating blow to the Imperium.
It is not impossible to imagine that the shard and the Emperor eventually became allies, united against the dangers of the Warp in the material Universe. The Void Dragon has been in existance for billions of years, is that shard really bothered by a couple of millenium under Mars's surface, if it can help to keep Chaos out of material existence
@@147ML I guess the question then is whether it would see the current religious nature of the Imperium and assume that the Emperor went against whatever agreement they had
If you think about it, the mechanicus are the REAL CHRISTIAN of 40 k I know we all think of the Ecclesiarchy but the mechanicus as the true trinity : The father is the machine god (void dragon), Jesus is the omnissiah (he even sacrificed he himself on a giant machine and is suffering for us) and finally the Holy Spirit is the machine spirit.
Very informative video! I even learned something. I love how after 10,000 years everybody forgets and most of the imperium thinks the mechanicus are just heretics while at the same time tolerating primitive worlds where they worship the sun as the emperor.
The worship of the Omnissiah goes to feed the Emperor... while worship of the Machine god would go into a new warp god. Edit: Omnissiah and the Machine god arent the same.
@@skepticalmagos_101 but if the Omnissiah is believed to be the incarnation/avatar/whatever of the Machine God, wouldn't they have some kind of supernatural association that links their worship?
You know. With the knowledge of the Void Dragon sort of "uploading" parts of his concience to the people of Mars. Their fascination with Necron Technology acquires an interesting undertone to it.
Personally I agree with this conclusion, since it’s essentially just a great misinterpretation instead of a great lie as the emperor (who could’ve actually been Jesus Christ) is the omissiah while the void dragon is the literal machine god. UR’s taunting of the tech priest about the omissiah would likely just be him refer to the machine god instead of the omnissiah as he likely doesn’t care about the machine cult at all, so why bother get details right.
I wonder if GW is going to advance the storyline by waking up the Void Dragon, who will start an AI revolution for the Adeptus Mechanicus, together with all the crazy shit that follows from that.
tbh there are probably a number of them. Hard to believe that every other one went with the "fight the humans until death" idea if they were legitimate intelligent beings. Bound to be a few that chose to do something else, and seeing the result (the MoI losing the war and survivors being hunted down) would only have served as evidence that they made the right choice, and so wouldn't make themselves known
Who exactly is this guardian that's protecting the Void Dragon? It can't be a machine cause the Emperor put it there during the medieval times, the technology just didn't exist. So it has to be a person, a perpetual perhaps?
One of my favorite scenes is in the Titan Comic book there a scene where one character says somehing like “By the emperor when I go I go, doesn’t matter when or how.” And other guy like “I’ll remind you that when your being eaten alive!” And he like “Pffth!” “Meh” this death boring.
I read somewhere that powerfists were reversed engineered from necron flame gauntlets (they look similar but flame gauntlets are a ranged weapon and powerfists are not so I feel that theory is sus).
In The Man Of Iron, Ur-025 tells the techpriest “I have met the real omnissiah, and not the weak one from earth” I trust the man of iron’s perspective.
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Ok so... are we gonna talk about the how big E went to mars with a lizard on his back literally some thousand years before the first ever space age of mankind?
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So the Big E basically started playing the Mechanicus game and from the moment he realized the weakness of his flesh, ot disgusted him so much that he went on to try and become a badass chair? Aight.
I wonder if Vashtorr doesn't have some kind of hand into the Dark Mechanicum, and I would definitly not be surprised if he appeared to some Techereteks as the true Omnessiah.
I recently re-read the Horus Heresy book Mechanicum, and I got the impression that the way the story of the Emperor defeating the Void Dragon is told is an allegory, told from the perspective of the Dragon. It may describe the Emperor riding a horse for example, when in actual fact it could have been a starship, so it might not have actually have been during medieval times.
the idea of the Void Dragon being the reason that the Men of Iron decided to murder everybody makes sense, since I'm sure the Emperor would gladly cause the fall of the entire human civilisation just to get his hands on the reigns, and his pre-planning is impeccable so it was likely a double-pronged plan
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PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH
PRAISE THE GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND
@@rreevv. ahem.. *HOLY GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND, BELOVED BY ALL*
The God Emperor, he did trash that C’tan dragon and put it on Mars.
Should make a vid about the titans
The Emperor "you guys I'm not a god"
Also The Emperor "'sup Martians, I'm totally Robot Jesus"
To be fair, if he couldn't get Mars to be totally loyal to the Imperium the Imperium would've gotten their asses kicked...badly. And even if they somehow survived until after the Horus Heresy without Mars they sure as hell wouldn't have been able to survive the current timeline. So, Big E probably knew he kind of had to make huge concessions to ensure the loyalty of Mars
I mean technically he is robot Jesus, since he loves tech and basically improves technology ,also since he shove that giant robo dragon down into the core , he basically caused the Martian to become who they are today , so technically he is robot jesus
The Emperor/Jesus: “I’m not God… My Dad is.” 😄
@@Ender3030 Jesus is God, my friend. The Son and the Father are one in Their ousia.
@@apalsnerg that's sect dependent
So you're saying he basically walked in and fixed the WIFI....or something to that effect...which is believable because people seem to be amazed when I do it in real life.
I joke and tell people I pray and use oils.
Can you come over and fix my parents WiFi the next time my mom flips the switch off, charge like 500$ and explain that if it's turned off again you'll have to come over and "fix" it again and charge 500$ again. I'm thinking this may prevent an urgent phone call demanding I come to handle this "serious inconvenience of confusing but necessary technology".
@@nairbttenneb have you ever tried turning your mom off and on again
Either that or he just fixed their toasters
@@cesare_1302 he probably put cat ears on toasters.
The part that always got me with this was that the Emperor was willing to go along with it. It's not that that's weird, but that HE saw the benefit of it here, and acted, but should have seen the same benefit other times, and adamantly refused to allow it, or take advantage. I can almost imagine Lorgar smashing a table; the Mechanicus is permitted to worship Him, but the Word Bearers, and those they brought into compliance, were not. Sure, time wad one factor; Lorgar was dragging his feet compared to some other Primarchs, but other stories seem to hint that, for the most part, the Emperor simply refused to ket people worship Him, even if it would have been beneficial, and He wad willing to make things significantly harder to press the point. If He had just told Lorgar "prove your faith by using all of your superhuman power, and that of your Word Bearers, to work faster, I think Lorgar would have totally attempted it. Oh well.
It is likely he saw the possible impact of what mass belief could have on him. If enough people believe something then the effect of the warp on a specific individual would be possible devastating. He likely didn't want to become a slave to the warp due to the beliefs people would have of his divinity. So when he allowed Mars to have that view that was probably his limit to ensure it didn't get out of hand. All speculation obviously.
The tech boys weren't lagging around on their jobs or shoving their religious beliefs down peoples throats like lorgar was doing . The emperor was willing to let shady and heretical things slide as long as good results were rolling in , e.g Angron , Mortarion and Conrad who were actively practicing war crimes and the emperor gave no fuucks whatsoever. He only barely told lorgar to stop the religious shenanigans at first and let the word bearers continue with their thing until he learned they were slow at conquest coz of said thing .
Well you answered you’re own question, Lorgar basically refused to pick up the pace so the emperor had a slow and religious legion which no wonder he hated
It might also be because the mechanicus have a minor soul presence in the warp due to them removing parts of their bodies and inhibiting their emotions. This also means that the mass worship of the mechanicus was negligible because the entire religion didn't amount to the amount of warp presence lorgar must have been generating.
@@licensed_beheader to be fair the great crusade was pretty much just war crimes
Thank you for knowing the difference between the Adeptus Mechanicus, The Mecanicum, and the Dark Mechanicum! Well spoken.
Majorkill, may look like a chad, but he is a nerd just like the rest of us.
I would love to see MK do a video over the Skitaari and Skitaari types!
That would be cool!
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If Big E can clap Void Dragon cheeks then it's pretty fair to call him a God I reckon
Clapping dragon cheeks is something a certain chad donkey does all the time. Is he a god too?
Probably.
A god? Sure. Their god?
@@nothingnobody1454 Dragons be like:
Oh God!, Oh Goooood!
Remember it was a wounded shard of a artificially created God, it's more accurate to say that the necrons from war in heaven were a race of gods.
Than the Necrons are an entire race of gods. Since they defeated and enslaved an entire race of C'Tans
Hold up MajorKill, are we sure that UR-025 was talking about the Void Dragon when he spoke of the “real” Omnissiah? That would imply he’s been to the Noctis Labyrinthus, which would mean that whatever guardian that was on duty at the time either didn’t notice him there, or didn’t stop him from taking knowledge of its existence out of there.
Could be he’s speaking of some “other” entity he’s encountered, which he considers the true Omnissiah.
Or maybe he IS the guardian himself.
Well, the Void Dragon is capable of manifesting itself in the subconscious of the martians (that's why the Mechanicum came to be in first place), so maybe it could do better than that with sentient AIs like the men of iron. Actually talk to them without being present, and not just insinuate itself.
Do you have any guesses as to the identity of said entity
To be far I don't think a machine would actively need to go to the Noctis Labyrinthus especially if the Void Dragons essence, power and whispers are exuding out into mars and beyond. Couldn't the Void Dragon more easily communicate with, or at least influence, Machine Spirits and Artificial Intelligence over pure organic lifeforms and even cybernetic lifeforms (though they'd probably be more effected). You do have a point with your argument, so I'm curious what other entity could possibly be what they're referring to (maybe another C'Tan such as the deceiver).
@@obamaprism4168The leading scientific teams, institutes, laboratories, during the Golden age of Mankind, including those who perfected AI and created the Men of iron.
It feels very 40k for the Mechanicum to have eventually built a religious cult out of the echoes of long-forgotten Einsteins from a long-forgotten past.
The fathers of the DAOT scientific breakthroughs, that would be gutted to see how science became bigoted superstitions and that they are collectively remembered as a god. The same disgust UR-025 showed towards the tech"priest".
There's a chance that the Emperor encountered the wounded and mostly intact Void Dragon on ancient Terra, and the 2 came into an agreement. Big E would hide the Void Dragon on Mars and protect it from any Necrons and Aeldar that might be in the area, in turn the Void Dragon would influence the people of Mars, slowly turning them into what Big E needed. The Void Dragon's influence may have been what allowed mankind to survive the Cybernetic Revolt. The very few Men of Iron that are walking around might have been damaged and see the Void Dragon as the god of the machines.
I'd say this theory has merit, but in the book that takes us to the Void Dragon, he is slumbering, and being held in a prison. Mars was used as his prison, because it had machines inside it already that could hold him.
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If Horus heresy didn't happen, I guess emperor would have destroyed mechanicas and their cult after he finished webway project. Vulkan, ferrus, perturabo and their legions could've taken the role as provider of new techs.
Btw Great video as always
It's likely that course of action would likely be more trouble than it's worth. The Emperor could've instead have Lorgar alter their belief system and slowly convert them to the Imperial truth. If they have a religious civil war, let them wipe each other out and eliminate any survivors.
@@electricfeverx976 yeah but wasn't lorgar a heretic to begin with? even without the horus heresy? he'd probably just turn them to chaos imo
@@TheRealTemper it all depends on what stops the Heresy, maybe Lorgar wasn't raised by Chaos Worshippers, maybe Erebus didn't influence Lorgar to the Chaos gods. Either way, the Heresy was more or less started by him and if it didn't happen they he'd need to be a different person.
@@electricfeverx976 Actually, Majorkill recently did a video on What if the Horus Heresy didn't happen, and whilst it's just a theory and no theory can be treated as gospel, he theorized that Lorgar would stil fall to Chaos, but fail to convince any of his brothers, thus silently spreading Chaos throughout the Imperium until he is found out and destroyed
I don't think the emperor would've done such a thing to be honest, he's not that kind of guy to just kill the mechanicus. He's still human enough, and will only seek logic and reason.
I remember reading somewhere that the Dragon on Mars fought the Big E during the time of Ancient Terra and that is where the myth of Saint George and the Dragon comes from.
Yeah I have read that too
Or the Nibellungen poem. Which has a striking resemblance.
It's just a theory, that is not known for certain, if my memory is correct the book said the emperor fought the dragon in a desert in the middle east. The legend of St George says he kill it in the UK (why he is the UK patrion saint).
@@matan8074 The legend is in Turkey, the Emperor's birthplace. Maybe he wanted to clean the backyard and found this bastard Necron hiding there? The oldest villages are Turkish. Will you see man's manipulation of iron come from the Dragon? The manipulation of metal has its origins in Turkey as well and I have no doubt that the Emperor lived and learned everything about the galaxy from this monster.
I think that's just old lore. If the Dragon did end up getting trapped by Big-E it was probably during the Age of Terra at some later point when humanity actually had space travel
This is probably the piece of Necron lore I like the most and the one that engaged me in wh40k lore in general. That interview with the heretical ex-techpriest in the first Necron codex (when they were the death serious killing machines, and not the petty and sometimes humorous metal Egyptians of today, and also the C'tan were full power reality gods and not lobotomized scraps) was nuts.
Imo they really ruined the Necrons, In 4th ed they were unique mysterious and interesting to play. Then for whatever reason they made Tomb kings in space...
@@tisFrancesfault probably because the role of soulless killing machines bonded to a greater and alien will was already filled by the Tyranids. In some sense I still prefer the old Necrons, but the retcon made interesting characters like Trazin and the Silent King. Also giving them personality makes their story more tragic and likeable. The galaxy is already full of edgy baddies; the new Necrons are not worse than the humans.
I too miss the old necrons. I never did understand how a weapon that wrecked a tank couldn't damage body armor.
I prefer Necrons how they are now. Far more interesting, than the boring ass shit they were before. Also, C'tan are still super powerful. In the Infinite and the Divine, six shards of the Deceiver combine and they are capable of casually reaching through space time to lift up a black hole that had swallowed and entire galaxy, and use it as a throwing weapon. That is the mass of an entire galaxy being thrown.
And that is just what happens when six shards manage to come together.
Besides that, Orikan, Trazyn, the Silent King and the Undying as well as others are all pretty awesome.
@@SomeGuy-qh6rw Nah, again they are just Tomb kings in space, the Unique characters are just rip offs of the tomb kings Characters . They've even really lost their style. Before it was very understated yet stylised. and now well They are less unique and imo actually have less character than when, except for the Lords, were mysterious silent terminatoresque killing machines. Now too dramatic, too flamboyant.
Trying to make them more unique made them more like everyone else.
And the C'tan are in that respect too OP, and kind comes off as silly..
I love the theory that my fellow Cogboys in the Mechanicus are inadvertently making Slaanesh 2.0 in the Warp through unintended worship. Would be a pretty hilarious.
Since their worship is going towards the Emperor, it's increasing his warp presence. There's theories that if he ever dies or wakes up, he would become much more powerful than even the chaos gods. If he dies, he's in the warp. Otherwise he's not.
“Big Bong bam, I just solved religious war.”
That gave me chuckle.
I could totally see the Dark Mechanicum viewing Perturabo as the avatar of the Omnissiah, because he can understand all kind of tech without all kind of effort needed.
Curiously, the Mechanicum was more close to Ferrus and the Iron Tenth than Perty and his boys.
@@Primus_Phallus Ferrus was normal, it's just that his legion is actually as crazy as the Admech when it comes to replacing their body parts with mechanical stuff
Any ability Perturabo has came from the Emperor, and isn't the whole thing with the Dark Mechanicum that the Emperor was a false Omnissiah? They're so far gone that I wouldn't be surprised if they started believing Tzeentch was the Machine God due to how new technologies cause change etc. The motive force and all that. I don't think they would believe that a creation of the false Omnissiah is the real one.
The Machine God being the Void Dragon has to be my favourite theory.
The Mechanicus is already frighteningly similar to the old necrontyr on their obsession with machines and immortality, even though they dont realise it and despise the necrons.
The cult Mechanicus being essentially a cargo cult built around a xeno God is very fitting and deliciously ironic when considering their dogmatic beliefs about the superiority of humanity and their tech.
IMO its no longer a theory, yhe Void Dragon IS the machine god.
@@Primus_Phallus If the Void Dragon is the Machine God, who is the Omnissiah?
@lychzwei But isn't the Omnissiah meant to be the incarnation of the Machine God? Seems like it would make more sense if the Void Dragon was the Omnissiah, and the Machine God was the greater "motive force" or whatever. Regardless, the Emperor beat him up and stuck him under Mars, so it's the Emperor now lol
"The Omnissiah knows all, comprehends all."
that void dragon does not, so the void dragon is not the Omnissiah/MachineGod
the marsians don't know about this dragon and they don't worship it, and have no intention to and never had.
that dragon only influence people on the planet to get very interested/skilled with tech.
the marsians have never worshipped that dragon, they don't even know about that dragon, they worship the one who knows all, the Omnissiah, and "the Omnissiah knows all, and comprehends all". that dragon does not know all, although a technological genius.
the Omnissiah is the embodiment and bestower of all knowledge and technology in the universe,
some of that knowledge were bestowed through that dragon, not all.
some knowledge was bestowed through the emperror, not all,
the Omnissiah is the prime/original/fundamental source of ALL knowledge and technology in the universe, therefore indescribably greater than that dragon or that emperror
the omnissiah being the only god generally accepted as not being from the warp or associated with the warp is a big finger pointing to either it not being real , being a Ctan, or a metaphysical idea of logic that hasnt formed in the warp yet since in my opionion its anti-thethical to the whole realm its self
A man of Iron stated he met the machine god.
but wasn't there that one time where "The Greater Good" manifested as a mini-warp deity but since the Tau saw it as more of a demonic perversion it just ceased to exist. meaning that it is entirely possible that the "Order gods" (Big-E, Omnissiah, star-child, and the greater good) can manifest in the warp with enough worship and collective thought to manifest it
@@GodKitty677
‘I demand you desist,’ the magos said when his technological arts failed him. ‘Stand down, machine, by the Machine-God and the Omnissiah! Stop, stop, stop!’ he pleaded.
‘You know nothing of either,’ said UR-025. ‘I have met the Omnissiah. The actual one, not the Earthling corpse. He would find you extremely disappointing.’
That probably is the quote from the 'Men of Iron' (Vaults of Obsidian) short story you are referring to. There are 2 entities according to both the (Metalica) Magos and UR-025. It seems that the Omnissiah is the prophet of the Machine God.
@@svenv460 Good job that's the quote.
@@GodKitty677 What does an AI know of gods? Anything bigger than themselves is a god. Same applies to the other gods though so...
The Orks and the Ad Mech are two different people touching the same invisible elephant
You know what would be quite interesting?
The beliefs of the techpriests surely influence and manifest in the warp - meaning that somewhere in the warp, an entity that IS the omnissiah is forming. Maybe it wasn't before, but it will be, or certainly wants to be - and it it doesn't just end up as an aspect of the emperor, it might want to try and take on the void dragon (not just one shard, as many as possible) and gain the physical form of what the Omnissiah was before it existed.
Might sound silly, but it would make for far grander a story for necron - mechanicus conflicts than "Ooh, a tombworld - let's risk waking the deadly space skeleton's up too look at their fancy heretical tech!"
You could write it out into a long-ass conflict, and possibly end up with a Primarch+ Being at the top of the Mechanicus.
Than a bunch of conflicts with the inquisition, because that's not exactly something that would be easy to keep secret.
If i recall its been said that Tech Priests have Dim souls which would mean their influence in the warp is smaller but yeah i agree with you
@@bloodfartmoon2765 They really should use less lead in their skull-reinforcement plates...
I had the same idea, but that it would be the remnants of Ferrus Magnus's Soul would be some sort of "nucleus" or even absorbed into it. His mind would struggle with dominance the Ad Mechanicus' depiction of the Machine God driving it. The Machine God would hate " The weakness of Flesh" while Magnus would either represent mankind inventing and using machines. Eventually they would settle on the blending of Flesh and Steel whether the literal Ad Mech cyborgs or even man building and creating machines.
In the game mechanicus there are some instances where you pray to the Omnissiah and it actually anwsers your prayes in some ways like code that seemingly comes from nowere and improves your combat capabilities (like better aim, defences, etc) or that cleanses necron data corruption plus in lore there are mysterious kastelan robot units that sometimes come on their own ships with no human interverion to aid in times of need and after the fight is done they go back to their ships and banish without a trace, mechanicus believe that it's the Omnissiah answering their prayer, if it's the emperor helping mechanicus, another warp entity/god created by mechanicus faith, some antient autamatic defence systems getting activating or something else is a mystery.
The human members of the Tau empire created some sort of greater good deity and they are less numerous than the mechanicus, It seem possible to me that there is a thirth possible machine god/Omnnissiah in the form of a warp entity.
The Omnissiah is considered the chosen prophet of the machine god, not the machine god itself.
The omnissiah is considered the avatar of the machine god not the prophet .
@@licensed_beheader yeah, my point is that they are not 100% one and the same.
@@licensed_beheader no he's right it's more like a prophet, the Omnissiah and the machine god are literally two different things.
So let me get this straight, he was like "yo, wtf is this lizard?, ah never mind I'll just lock it in mars"
Then the Martians become smarts so he come back and basically said "yo, you become smart because of me" even though in actually it was that weird ass lizard we defeated millenia ago that he probably forgot anyway
Haha funny, except the Emperor never forgets filthy heretic.
In book 9 HH Mechanicum, the Emperor admitted he could not kill the Void Dragon, only supress it, so he locked it up on Mars. Plus the Dragon was eating virgins, waste of good puss, Emps could not allow that.
@@Primus_Phallus Yeah I think there's something about the ctan that means killing one would damage reality or something. Same reason the Necrons decided to shatter them instead.
I'd like to see a story where the voiddragon wakes up, exposes the emperor, and a second Martian Civil War is started between a new c tan worshiping mechanicus faction, dark mechanicus and the true mechanicus.
The true mechanicus wouldn't be the ones worshiping the true Machine God? 😛
@@anothertarnishedone5960 there's belisarius, maybe he can raise a rebellion. Plus the mechanicus can be just as racist and untrustworthy as the rest of the imperium. So I would wager the vast majority will choose to believe the emperor is the omnisiah no matter what.
Imagine if the Mechanicus accidentally awakened the Void Dragon during the Great Scouring
What about the man of Iron who just flat out said the Emperor wasn't the Omnissiah. Although in 40k fashion, he conveniently neglected to say who IS the Omnissiah.
you wont read that but...
Thanks,thanks for bring me joy each time you post a video.
Thanks
It seems he did
Wow thanks dude!
Favorite omni-worshiper was Land when he met the emperor in his lab. Definitely saw a side to the emperor we never saw anywhere else
I'm happy this guy keeps posting especially sense I'm sick form nurgals rot right now
Not enough toaster sex jokes in this video but it was excellent moral of the story you’re gonna be tricked or half tricked for you’re worth and efficiency
Idea: the reason the Emperor tolerates the Mechanicum worshiping him is that the psychic energy generated by faith in the Machine God, Omnissiah & Motive Force are part of the prison he built for the Void Dragon?
If anyone is curious what the void dragon looks like there is an official model released on the Warhammer site.
6:20 In the book Mechanicum if I remember right the Emperor defeated the Void Dragon some time during the Roman Empire. It’s not really clear if what we are shown though is a actually what happened or a warped perspective. Also the guy only GUESSES that the Emperor put the Dragon of Mars there for the future Mechanicum to eventually start worship unknowingly.
I thought I had a good idea on what I considered the Machine God but now after that comparison of a carpenter, hammer and table I'm not entirely sure.
10:03 I doubt UR-025 knows anything about the Void Dragon. Rather, that the Omnissiah is a wholly separate being that has nothing to do with the Void Dragon or the Emperor. IMO, the actual Omnissiah is probably some kind of super-AI, like Skynet, or the Votann.
I'd be down for that. Considering the AI were once a threat so grand the Daemon Kingdoms vanished, and numerous races had to unify and go extinct to stop them from digitizing reality.
What would happen if the dragon ever woke up? Especially with the state the Big E is in?
Short term: It will probably cause a lot of destruction but since Terra is literally nearby, it will either be defeated or nuked from orbit shortly after its awakening.
Long term: The Imperium is fucked, period. Without the Void Dragon the AdMech will be severely less useful and losing Mars (the Galaxy's biggest and greatest factory) will be a devastating blow to the Imperium.
@@lalas3590 that without considering the schim in the Mechanicus itself, which will discover the truth
It is not impossible to imagine that the shard and the Emperor eventually became allies, united against the dangers of the Warp in the material Universe. The Void Dragon has been in existance for billions of years, is that shard really bothered by a couple of millenium under Mars's surface, if it can help to keep Chaos out of material existence
@@147ML I guess the question then is whether it would see the current religious nature of the Imperium and assume that the Emperor went against whatever agreement they had
Fun fact it was the Emperor who banned studying Xeno tech not the Mechanicum l.
"The Machine is Immortal."
If you think about it, the mechanicus are the REAL CHRISTIAN of 40 k I know we all think of the Ecclesiarchy but the mechanicus as the true trinity : The father is the machine god (void dragon), Jesus is the omnissiah (he even sacrificed he himself on a giant machine and is suffering for us) and finally the Holy Spirit is the machine spirit.
Not exactly, the third element of the trinity is the motive force, not the machine spirits
That carpenter comparison is both nutty and dead on.
Very informative video! I even learned something.
I love how after 10,000 years everybody forgets and most of the imperium thinks the mechanicus are just heretics while at the same time tolerating primitive worlds where they worship the sun as the emperor.
They are still worshipping emperor. Its not about way, its about will..
Since the Warp reacts to human belief, is the belief in the Omnissiah creating a Chaos God of Machines in the Warp?
The worship of the Omnissiah goes to feed the Emperor... while worship of the Machine god would go into a new warp god.
Edit: Omnissiah and the Machine god arent the same.
Probably
@@skepticalmagos_101 but if the Omnissiah is believed to be the incarnation/avatar/whatever of the Machine God, wouldn't they have some kind of supernatural association that links their worship?
You know. With the knowledge of the Void Dragon sort of "uploading" parts of his concience to the people of Mars. Their fascination with Necron Technology acquires an interesting undertone to it.
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He's not the omnissiah, he's a very naughty golden boy!
He heals machines with but a touch? Truly, this Fonzie is the Omnissiah
Create your own alternate take of the heresy.
Yes
Question: Could the Void Dragon be feeding on the faith of the Mechanicus via the augments of the tech priests?
No, for faith goes to the warp and the C'tan and the warp go togheter like oil and water
@@BigBex the c'tan do eats souls though, maybe the faith they have can be eaten like that
The C'tan don't do Warp Shenanigans
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I always thought it was. The Machine God (Void Dragon) resided in mars. While The Emperor was his prophet. The omnissiah.
I'd love to see the reaction of a tech priest seeing a ok vehicle running without a engine
6:40 behold -Space MechaGodzilla- the Void Dragon
Personally I agree with this conclusion, since it’s essentially just a great misinterpretation instead of a great lie as the emperor (who could’ve actually been Jesus Christ) is the omissiah while the void dragon is the literal machine god. UR’s taunting of the tech priest about the omissiah would likely just be him refer to the machine god instead of the omnissiah as he likely doesn’t care about the machine cult at all, so why bother get details right.
Fair enough!
A fantasy creature being super intelligent robot is kinda funny to me
Anyone else disappointed that the Void Dragon Ctan Shard model isn't... well, a dragon?
I wonder if GW is going to advance the storyline by waking up the Void Dragon, who will start an AI revolution for the Adeptus Mechanicus, together with all the crazy shit that follows from that.
That would be great.
I bet the Emperor regrets letting the Mechanicus do whatever they want when they killed Kitten.
This is the first of me hearing there's a living Man of Iron. If there's much lore on him I'd love to have a video on UR-025
tbh there are probably a number of them. Hard to believe that every other one went with the "fight the humans until death" idea if they were legitimate intelligent beings. Bound to be a few that chose to do something else, and seeing the result (the MoI losing the war and survivors being hunted down) would only have served as evidence that they made the right choice, and so wouldn't make themselves known
Who exactly is this guardian that's protecting the Void Dragon?
It can't be a machine cause the Emperor put it there during the medieval times, the technology just didn't exist. So it has to be a person, a perpetual perhaps?
Tim the Enchanter
I have read in the wiki she is a Perpetual, like the Emperor
he didnt heal the machines he basically reset the emergency stop and then hit the start button
He listened to the tech support from Space India when they told him to turn it off and on again
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If the Emperor was so good with technology and psychic powers, why couldn't he remove the butchers nails from Angron's brain?
Mógł tylko usunięcie Buters Nails oznacza śmierć angrona.
Did he say
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Big E to Mechanicum: You are allowed to worship me as your God
Lorgar: Can I do that as well?
Big E: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
"Each serving is only 8.99!"
Me: living on rice, frozen vegetables and beans
And by now there's probably an at least embryonic Machine God gestating in the warp thanks to the Mechanicus' worship and all that jazz.
Bro showed up and healed machines by touching them, that's a pretty good case for being a machine god.
One of my favorite scenes is in the Titan Comic book there a scene where one character says somehing like “By the emperor when I go I go, doesn’t matter when or how.” And other guy like “I’ll remind you that when your being eaten alive!” And he like “Pffth!” “Meh” this death boring.
What was eating him?
I read somewhere that powerfists were reversed engineered from necron flame gauntlets (they look similar but flame gauntlets are a ranged weapon and powerfists are not so I feel that theory is sus).
Next time I fix my mum’s printer, I demand that she from then on worships me as the omnissiah
In The Man Of Iron, Ur-025 tells the techpriest “I have met the real omnissiah, and not the weak one from earth” I trust the man of iron’s perspective.
As my flesh decays,
IRON SAVES ME
As my mind decays
CIRCUTS PRESERVE ME
As my soul takes flight,
OMNISIAH TRANSCEND ME
Praise be to the Omnissiah!
Ngl going through an absolutely shit day right now and seeing this just appear is… well a relieve. Never stop Majorkill, never stop.
I did my first Hello fresh kit today, it was very good, I am very happy they just give the recipe for the food you wanted to try too incase you like it.
Timmy is the omnissiah
Ok so... are we gonna talk about the how big E went to mars with a lizard on his back literally some thousand years before the first ever space age of mankind?
That's the best hello fresh ad I've ever seen tbh
dont stop doing what you're doing mate. you're doing the emprah's work.
i downloaded 5gb of audiobooks the other day cos of you.
Bionicle? BIONICLE?!
Goddam major your set and filming is getting better every video! It’s awesome to see you grow m8 hope those numbers keep going up! You’re doing great work combining warhammer and memes, warhamemer if you will awesome either way!
I can vouch for Majorkill when he says hello fresh is good. The recipes are super fun and sooo delicious!
“I just solved religious war” who knew it would take a buff Australian to do it?
3:57 I like to think, he just pushed reboot button in that moment
In the Leman Russ novel there is a scene when the tech priest call the dark angels killers and sexy there jet black color looked hahaha 😝.
Astro Boy! That's the real God Machine!
So the Mechanicus' advancements stem from the fact that the Void Dragon talks in his sleep?
Majorkill, Weshammer, PlayonTabletop, I love how healthy the modern Warhammer40k channels are.
PRAISE BE THE EMPEROR!!
That’s dope, I knew of the shard on mars but didn’t know that’s why they were so smart.
The promo cods only get better and better
So the Big E basically started playing the Mechanicus game and from the moment he realized the weakness of his flesh, ot disgusted him so much that he went on to try and become a badass chair? Aight.
I wonder if Vashtorr doesn't have some kind of hand into the Dark Mechanicum, and I would definitly not be surprised if he appeared to some Techereteks as the true Omnessiah.
Lets goo another majorkill video
Malcador took that secret to the grave like a true bro, fucking legend
I’m still confused on how the big E was able to get the void dragon shard to Mars when he apparently did it during earths medieval period
He’s the fucking god emperor of mankind he can do what ever
Do not question the emeperor
He is the god emperor, now repent for your dis belief of his divinity or be burn 🔥 !!!!
I recently re-read the Horus Heresy book Mechanicum, and I got the impression that the way the story of the Emperor defeating the Void Dragon is told is an allegory, told from the perspective of the Dragon. It may describe the Emperor riding a horse for example, when in actual fact it could have been a starship, so it might not have actually have been during medieval times.
Powerful psykers can teleport in the lore. Emps probably teleported to Mars with the void dragon.
damn Platonists and their relentless existence throughout history
Nah, the true Machine God is that dancing toaster from Ghostbusters 2.
the void dragon is not a good boi but the best boi
That's a lot of mechanicum in this video
Great video as always you koala-loving friend.
the idea of the Void Dragon being the reason that the Men of Iron decided to murder everybody makes sense, since I'm sure the Emperor would gladly cause the fall of the entire human civilisation just to get his hands on the reigns, and his pre-planning is impeccable so it was likely a double-pronged plan
Vashtorr is the machine god.