For me, the most valuable thing I take away from Tollifson is that we have no idea what any of this is. 28:00 We use words to try to capture it like "consciousness" or "reality" or "truth" but these are abstractions. All we know is the knowing of this moment, whatever it holds and for me, that gets me off the non dual treadmill of trying to conceptualize and define what the heck is going on.
If there was no "me", nobody would be responsible for their actions. You could just say certain urges arose and actions were taken! You could justify any wrongdoing with this.
+Nikan RT Peole who justify shitty behavior on the grounds that actions are spontaneous and inevitable eventually learn that guilt and remorse are also spontaneous and inevitable.
if you are capable of remorse and guilt (some aren't) and if you see the truth of universal spontaneity, and you start behaving in ways that hurt others and your mind says, " All this is just happening, how can I be to blame" and you go on like this...eventually you will find out what I meant in the above comment about the spontaneity of guilt and remorse. It is ALL spontaneous, the crime and the punishment. .
Sorry -- now totally confused by the language being adopted. As one example, what is spontaneity? It is described as inevitable. If so, is this an adoption of some form of Laplacian determinism -- i.e., no free will? If it is (and I cannot be sure from the explanation offered), how can anyone demonstrate the absence of X (e.g., free will)? If it is not, then I am totally lost by your comments (i.e., for me at least, the words on display do not communicate the sentiments they presumably are meant to convey).
a good way to discover what is spontaneity is to meditate. Just watch what happens when you sit still and shut up. Sooner or later it may suddenly occur to you that it is all just happening by itself--all includes your thought, feelings, decisions, resolutions etc. Might take a couple of years, maybe longer even. Most folks aren't interested in this kind of outlay of time for a discovery that isn't guaranteed. Well, that's how it is. It's not the only way.
She has a great smile and laugh..like a child...very nice to see
For me, the most valuable thing I take away from Tollifson is that we have no idea what any of this is. 28:00 We use words to try to capture it like "consciousness" or "reality" or "truth" but these are abstractions. All we know is the knowing of this moment, whatever it holds and for me, that gets me off the non dual treadmill of trying to conceptualize and define what the heck is going on.
Great relaxing talk. Thanks Joan!
Refreshing. Namaste
❤️❤️❤️Joan
wonderful.
We are bringing Joan into our Tuesday night sangha via UTube. Thanks. MM
We are bringing Joan into our Tuesday night sangha via UTube. Thanks. MM
Many thanks, Milla esker
Nice Joan and very helpful
24:23 on quitting smoking "technique".
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For the lady asking question on what's the difference between consciousness/awareness and experience, both are technically one and the same right.
I feel like if we didn't have sleep we wouldn't have quite so many questions.. idk. 🙂
If there was no "me", nobody would be responsible for their actions. You could just say certain urges arose and actions were taken! You could justify any wrongdoing with this.
+Nikan RT Peole who justify shitty behavior on the grounds that actions are spontaneous and inevitable eventually learn that guilt and remorse are also spontaneous and inevitable.
"guilt and remorse are also spontaneous and inevitable."
why?
if you are capable of remorse and guilt (some aren't) and if you see the truth of universal spontaneity, and you start behaving in ways that hurt others and your mind says, " All this is just happening, how can I be to blame" and you go on like this...eventually you will find out what I meant in the above comment about the spontaneity of guilt and remorse. It is ALL spontaneous, the crime and the punishment. .
Sorry -- now totally confused by the language being adopted. As one example, what is spontaneity? It is described as inevitable. If so, is this an adoption of some form of Laplacian determinism -- i.e., no free will? If it is (and I cannot be sure from the explanation offered), how can anyone demonstrate the absence of X (e.g., free will)? If it is not, then I am totally lost by your comments (i.e., for me at least, the words on display do not communicate the sentiments they presumably are meant to convey).
a good way to discover what is spontaneity is to meditate. Just watch what happens when you sit still and shut up. Sooner or later it may suddenly occur to you that it is all just happening by itself--all includes your thought, feelings, decisions, resolutions etc. Might take a couple of years, maybe longer even. Most folks aren't interested in this kind of outlay of time for a discovery that isn't guaranteed. Well, that's how it is. It's not the only way.