Kameme has such a unique style of wario. Instead of opting for meaty combos and going for semi risky kill confirms, he opted to weave in and out and wait for waft. Waft helped kameme so much by punishing marss for his laggy commitment
Yeah Kameme adapted and Marss didnt noticed, still going full agressive against a Wario sitting on shield waiting for waft, that was his downfall and i cant blame him, he is used to agressive Warios like Tweek and Glutonny. Kuddos to Kameme tho, he was smarter than Marss 🤔.
@@jdrmanmusiqking Even tho i agree with you, i cant blame him for relying on waft when Zss is such a bad MU for Wario AND Kameme, his record against Zss players is pretty damn bad.
Honestly thought marss would go undefeated. He hadn't lost a single set before kameme. I guess now he knows why this man was able to upset leo at evo. Kameme kills the gods of the U.S
@@BaconMix42 Yeah Zss beats Wario, Kuro always beats Kameme. Marss got sloppy and got farted like 7 times because of that, is not johning, its what happened you idiot.
@@zsoliddanys1083 Presenting the way you did, it's clearly johns. "Marss dominated BUT waft" that's like me saying oh kameme would have won if it wasnt for boost kick or down b. Look at the final waft again, that was immaculate, Marss clearly got read and outplayed.
Kameme’s neutral with Wario has improved leaps and bounds; it’s possibly compatible and on par with the play style of Tweek’s Wario. But does anyone know the win ratios between Tweek and Marss with Wario?
Love the johns from people when every waft was a clear read from kameme, he didn't even combo into it. Try and compare how down b can get zero suit out of disadvantage 90% of the time or how nair into down b kills at 50%. Every character has their thing.
Honestly must've. It's not like they didn't balance the move, by, idk, only allowing it to popup after a certain amount of time (leaving him more predictable and vulnerable before that...) Also funny how no top tier player ever complains about this mechanic...
@@kimjongchrist8943 Kameme has lost to Kuro' Zss like 4 times now with all his characters, Wario mostly, im surprised he went Wario considering that Zss is a bad MU overall.
@@zsoliddanys1083 Yeah, but Kameme is so good at getting raw Wafts that his Wario has the highest upset potential I've seen. It's how he can consistently beat Tea's Pac-Man using Wario when Glutonny and Tweek (both of whom are better at the character) get absolutely annihilated
@@kimjongchrist8943 Because he is pretty much the only defensive Wario out there and US players are not used to that, Japan on the other hand is used to it and thats why his Wario does much worse there than outside of his country, aka, thats why Kuro always owns his Wario.
Some people complaining about waft when zss down-b is just as brain dead? Honestly she has the potential to be like smash 4 Sonic just bc you cant hit her.
Flip jump doesnt reliably kills at 30% and you can challenge it...Waft kills at 30%, you die if you challenge it and it can be a true kill set up in at least 3 different ways...Waft is much better than flip jump and is even more braindead cuz landing a nair or an utilt is not difficult in the slightest and like i said...it is a true combo.
ZSolid DanyS ZSS gets flip kick always Wario only gets WAFT after time. It’s pretty broken yeah but idk how’d they nerf it to a point of making it not useless
@@bigman8733 Flip jump cant kill at 30-60% and as you can see in this set, it can get her killed if it gets predictable. Waft on the other hand is a VERY reliable combo ender that kills stupidly early even if its half charged and tbh...Wario does not need a kill set up that broken when he is movile, heavy, fast, has good combos that deal insane damage, several GOOD raw KO options, a command grab that kills and kill set ups... Not saying Wario is OP, he is far from it but Waft is almost as dumb as Arsene. Both full and half waft should be a lot slower to remove them from being kill set ups at dumb %s imo.
ZSolid DanyS well flip jump can absolutely kill at 30-60% because you can either nair into flip jump spike or you get down smash/paralyzer into that same set up. Also flip jump gets you out of disadvantage way more than it does screw you over. I’d keep fully charged WAFT the same but I guess nerf half WAFT power cause there isn’t really a reason for it to be as good as it is while also having better frame data
@@bigman8733 Nair to flip kick kills at low % but under very specific circumstances while for waft you only need an Utilt, falling usmash or nair, thats why you see much more waft kills than flip kick kills, as for disadvantage...Wario is good in that area too because of his ridiculous air movility. Full waft is the fastest waft there is, its frame 6 afaik, a frame 6 move that kills at 30% and has confirms into it...Waft should only be used to punish mistakes, not to combo into it.
ZSolid DanyS I’m comparing WAFT and Flip Kick and flip kick is get out of disadvantage for free but waft isn’t (I’m not comparing Wario’s abilities in disadvantage but WAFT’s use in disadvantage). Also mid waft comes out sooner than fully charged (full is 9 and half is 5). I think Flip Kick is better than Waft only because it’s more versatile. Waft is pretty crazy but that’s the whole point, but like I said nerf mid waft strength but keep full waft strength
Man im not a fan of the slightly overrated Marss but damn is Kameme's Wario is awful to watch. Im never one to say this but Waft definitely carries his wario. Glutony and Tweek have the cleanest Wario in the galaxy and comparing them to 'meme's is night and day. Hell his megaman is way cleaner. Man im so salty that Meister got robbed in their set. Please for the love of Me, go back to the Megaman! This Wario is murder on the eyes
23:50 marss desk slam lmao
That would have to be so frustrating to get reverse 3-0d because you got hit by waft three times in a row. though. Rip Marss
20:15 "He's gonna keep holding shield" just as Kameme DROPS his shield to Marss' side b lmao the irony
Kameme finally beats ZSS.
Still needs to beat Kuro, his personal demon 🤔.
After complaining about her for years
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Kameme has such a unique style of wario. Instead of opting for meaty combos and going for semi risky kill confirms, he opted to weave in and out and wait for waft. Waft helped kameme so much by punishing marss for his laggy commitment
Yeah Kameme adapted and Marss didnt noticed, still going full agressive against a Wario sitting on shield waiting for waft, that was his downfall and i cant blame him, he is used to agressive Warios like Tweek and Glutonny.
Kuddos to Kameme tho, he was smarter than Marss 🤔.
@Weeb Tendency
I dont see how relying on waft as a crutch is refreshing but ok
@@jdrmanmusiqking Even tho i agree with you, i cant blame him for relying on waft when Zss is such a bad MU for Wario AND Kameme, his record against Zss players is pretty damn bad.
@@zsoliddanys1083 zss wario is even tho
Honestly thought marss would go undefeated. He hadn't lost a single set before kameme.
I guess now he knows why this man was able to upset leo at evo. Kameme kills the gods of the U.S
Eh, last time they played, Marss destroyed Kameme pretty bad and this set was dominated by Marss but waft happened lol
@@zsoliddanys1083 marss got outplayed, ZSS beats wario. quit johning
@@BaconMix42 Yeah Zss beats Wario, Kuro always beats Kameme.
Marss got sloppy and got farted like 7 times because of that, is not johning, its what happened you idiot.
@@BaconMix42 nigga when did he say marss didn't get outplayed. stop assuming shit bitch ass nigga
@@zsoliddanys1083 Presenting the way you did, it's clearly johns. "Marss dominated BUT waft" that's like me saying oh kameme would have won if it wasnt for boost kick or down b. Look at the final waft again, that was immaculate, Marss clearly got read and outplayed.
Incredible set, won’t spoil it, respect for both players
What happened?
Eduardo C Kameme won the set but all games were pretty dead even
23:49
omegalul
Kameme’s neutral with Wario has improved leaps and bounds; it’s possibly compatible and on par with the play style of Tweek’s Wario. But does anyone know the win ratios between Tweek and Marss with Wario?
Marss 2-1 Tweek
ZSolid DanyS Thank you!
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かめめさん最高や！R2GWIN！
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9:50 my man's pull something because that looks like a mad cramp and might explain a bit of what happened after this point
Kameme gets so many more raw wafts than other top warios. super clutch
Love the johns from people when every waft was a clear read from kameme, he didn't even combo into it. Try and compare how down b can get zero suit out of disadvantage 90% of the time or how nair into down b kills at 50%. Every character has their thing.
Not a single nair to flip kick and Marss died for using flip jump 2 times...id take a move that deletes stocks for free over flip jump any day.
@@zsoliddanys1083 exactly
@@zsoliddanys1083 you mean every move joker has with Arsene? Yeah I'm with you on that one buddy
@@picotera7328 Nah, Joker cant delete stocks at 30% with one move nor even a string but yeah, Arsene is also pretty stupid.
One of these commentators sounds like he's been smoking a pack a day for 10+ years...
最後のmarssの台パンイケメン
Amazing stuff by Kameme. Punishing the end lag zss moves with waft.
あんなに勝てないって言ってたゼロサムしかもmarssをすごい
Zsolid complaining about waft under every comment, lmao did you get farted on in elite smash?
Honestly must've. It's not like they didn't balance the move, by, idk, only allowing it to popup after a certain amount of time (leaving him more predictable and vulnerable before that...) Also funny how no top tier player ever complains about this mechanic...
Kameme didnt pull out the MM because Marrs has a solid MM himself. gg to both players
No, it's more so that ZSS destroys in that matchup. Kameme lost pretty bad to Kuro's ZSS as well
@@kimjongchrist8943 Kameme has lost to Kuro' Zss like 4 times now with all his characters, Wario mostly, im surprised he went Wario considering that Zss is a bad MU overall.
Kameme has not pulled out MM in this tournament at all
@@zsoliddanys1083 Yeah, but Kameme is so good at getting raw Wafts that his Wario has the highest upset potential I've seen. It's how he can consistently beat Tea's Pac-Man using Wario when Glutonny and Tweek (both of whom are better at the character) get absolutely annihilated
@@kimjongchrist8943 Because he is pretty much the only defensive Wario out there and US players are not used to that, Japan on the other hand is used to it and thats why his Wario does much worse there than outside of his country, aka, thats why Kuro always owns his Wario.
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Amazing
The flatulence coming through again lol
Some people complaining about waft when zss down-b is just as brain dead? Honestly she has the potential to be like smash 4 Sonic just bc you cant hit her.
Dude y'know flip jump is reactable right?
Waft isn't reactable
Flip jump doesnt reliably kills at 30% and you can challenge it...Waft kills at 30%, you die if you challenge it and it can be a true kill set up in at least 3 different ways...Waft is much better than flip jump and is even more braindead cuz landing a nair or an utilt is not difficult in the slightest and like i said...it is a true combo.
Waft doesn’t kill at 30% wtf.
@@ronburgundy174 it does wtf
KAMEME最強！
They complain about flip jump when waft exists...that move is OP af.
ZSolid DanyS ZSS gets flip kick always Wario only gets WAFT after time. It’s pretty broken yeah but idk how’d they nerf it to a point of making it not useless
@@bigman8733 Flip jump cant kill at 30-60% and as you can see in this set, it can get her killed if it gets predictable.
Waft on the other hand is a VERY reliable combo ender that kills stupidly early even if its half charged and tbh...Wario does not need a kill set up that broken when he is movile, heavy, fast, has good combos that deal insane damage, several GOOD raw KO options, a command grab that kills and kill set ups...
Not saying Wario is OP, he is far from it but Waft is almost as dumb as Arsene.
Both full and half waft should be a lot slower to remove them from being kill set ups at dumb %s imo.
ZSolid DanyS well flip jump can absolutely kill at 30-60% because you can either nair into flip jump spike or you get down smash/paralyzer into that same set up. Also flip jump gets you out of disadvantage way more than it does screw you over. I’d keep fully charged WAFT the same but I guess nerf half WAFT power cause there isn’t really a reason for it to be as good as it is while also having better frame data
@@bigman8733 Nair to flip kick kills at low % but under very specific circumstances while for waft you only need an Utilt, falling usmash or nair, thats why you see much more waft kills than flip kick kills, as for disadvantage...Wario is good in that area too because of his ridiculous air movility.
Full waft is the fastest waft there is, its frame 6 afaik, a frame 6 move that kills at 30% and has confirms into it...Waft should only be used to punish mistakes, not to combo into it.
ZSolid DanyS I’m comparing WAFT and Flip Kick and flip kick is get out of disadvantage for free but waft isn’t (I’m not comparing Wario’s abilities in disadvantage but WAFT’s use in disadvantage). Also mid waft comes out sooner than fully charged (full is 9 and half is 5). I think Flip Kick is better than Waft only because it’s more versatile. Waft is pretty crazy but that’s the whole point, but like I said nerf mid waft strength but keep full waft strength
damn.
かめさん苦手なゼロサム対策つんできたなw
かめ様
I want to marry kameme
Have you married him yet?
かっけぇ。。
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ということでネガキャン終了でお願いしますｗ
i bet Marss smells in those pajamas
i wanna bury my face in his musky undies
@@goddesscarrie767 get help.
Man im not a fan of the slightly overrated Marss but damn is Kameme's Wario is awful to watch. Im never one to say this but Waft definitely carries his wario. Glutony and Tweek have the cleanest Wario in the galaxy and comparing them to 'meme's is night and day. Hell his megaman is way cleaner. Man im so salty that Meister got robbed in their set.
Please for the love of Me, go back to the Megaman! This Wario is murder on the eyes
You're a dumbass.
@PutnamentalAnimation
Very enlightening counterargument...
@@jdrmanmusiqking he is right tho
Cope
I cheer against marss because he looks like he’s stinky and needs a shower