nvidia was trying to shift their whole stack. pass off higher numbered cards with lower model performance at higher tiered price. This was supposed to be where the 4060ti shouldve landed
+1 been saying this ever since they showed off the 12GB 4080 version. They move their entire gpu stack up a slot while selling consumers the smallest gpu dies in years.
They've done it for about 10 years now. First Titan card was in 2013. Just a slightly better binned 780 Ti with double precision processing enabled and 3 more GB of RAM for the low low price of $999. Only 300 dollars more for what is the same part. And right now a 780 TI will get 31.19fps in Borderlands 3 high settings, a GTX Titan will get 31.88fps. Even back in the day the difference was never more than a couple fps and that huge mark up.
As soon as the 4080 12gb was cancelled that's when I figured they were going to knock everything back. The 4070 should have been 4060 or ti and the 4070 ti should have been the base 4070
As far as I can tell they did knock everything back, so you're saying that you have knocked him back again... I'm not disagreeing with you but I don't think it was gonna happen
@@jaykoerner no they artificially created a 70 ti series to segment it further. If you remember, 3070 ti came way after 3070 and 3080 released. it barely had any performance difference and didn't close the gap from the 3080 at all. It was all because of the crypto craze, so they could make more money "4070" is so nerfed that it performs like a 60 class card. 4060 ti would have made more sense
@@mr.electronx9036 the 4070 ti would have performed a lot better if it had 16/256, but 256 bit bus is reserved for over $1000 only now. 3070 ti was basically a 3070 with gddr6x (the core increase was so miniscule). It has 100GB/s more memory bandwidth than the 4070 and 4070 ti successors...
@@evalangley3985 Oook, you couldn't get a system that performed faster than a PS4 for less money when it first came out. And good luck getting a system that competed against a PS3 when it first came out
@@evalangley3985 You can, and you need to buy several games for Sony and MS to make up the money they lost by selling it underpriced. You can buy a PC system as powerful as a current gen console for roughly 50-100$ more, too.
PC gaming is far more then the latest AAA titels... if a console can replace your PC you never have been a PC gamer. A console can however take care of those AAA titels and replace the expensive NVIDIA cards...
This thing should have a base price or 450, and that's being generous. I still remember the GTX 970 starting at around 329, and it was not too far from the performance of the 980.
@@unclerubo lol how old are you? Food increased way over 200%, fuel over 150%, same for energy/power in general (which all trickles down to EVERYTHING we buy), cars have gone waaay up, everything has gone waaaay up over the last 10 years. Either you where still a kid 10 years ago, or someone else pays your bills, or you are oblivious and selective as fk. Any idea how expensive the chipmaking process has become with the latest 3/4/5 nanometer chips? I work at ASML, Veldhoven, we design the machines that MAKE the chips Nvidia and others use to MAKE their chips. The production process is complex and expensive af and continuously keeps on increasing. (This all is BESIDE the general inflation which over the last 10 years has DOUBLED (or more) for MANY products.
@@TheTryingDutchmaninflation from 2014 to 2023 in the US (advertised not true inflation I'm sure) takes $329 to $419.47.... I mean sure the price is probably up a bit from what the inflation number would be but this is a lot. I'm just bitter I held onto my GTX 970 hoping the 40XX series would fix all the pricing issues but here we are.
@@vhateverlie yeah 1 i dont live in the US, 2 (like you said) the stated inflation is abolutely unrealistic, i spend 80 bucks a week on what litterally cost me 30 bucks 9 years ago, 3 there are SO MANY PARTS from ALL OVER THE WORLD coming together in a gpu that it al stacks up like a mfker. I'd love to see a brand new 4070 for 400 bucks, dont get me wrong, but that is simply never going to happen, and comparing a TWENTYEIGHT NANOMETER processor to a FIVE or lower nanometer processor is absolutely stupid and pointless. The process is simply way more complicated/expensive. Shaving more than 10% off the 4070 f.e. is simply not feasable as a company. But hey, you all have fun parroting your favourite youtuber without actually having any technical/inside knowledge whatsover!
Almost got my last PC Build customer into this one but still felt it was too much money at $600 where we are. Instead, for $390 he went with a 6750XT. Would have went 3070 but around here those are over $500 still. He has been extremely happy with the 6750XT on his new 1440p monitor. All this new gen needs to come down more. Really hoping the 7800XT comes in under $600 and out-performs the 4070. We need some damn value again!
I ended up doing something similar, I paired a r7 7700 with a Rx 6700xt. There's a promotional price for that specific model that brought the price down to 319 and it includes a game to boot. It's really hard to justify the 4070 at the current 599 price.
I really doubt the 7800xt is going to offer a lot more value right away. Judging from the drivers plaguing the 4090s, but I'm pretty sure in 1-2 yrs, the 7800xt is going to have much more staying power.
12:24 Gamers Nexus did a teardown and compared the PCB with 4070 cards from other manufacturers. It's a dingy little thing. The Nvidia PCB was actually even missing some components found in the Inno3D one, for example. So, yeah, it's cheaply made, typical of a 60-class or 50-class. But they're charging 80-class money for it. Nvidia can eat a dick. This generation is a major skip.
The 4070 has the level of performance of the 3080, while staying under 200w and having frame gen. I guess people just want stupid big ass gpu that are power hungry and will turn your case into hell kitchen. It's a shame that gamers nowadays don't value efficiency. Cause I would pick the 4070 over the 3080 everyday. Not to mention AMD , because big numbers in benchmarks are great but I've been fooled more than once with the famous "bigger numbers than Nvidia for the money". Never again. You guys can keep your 500w GPUs.
@@MadX8 Electricity Calculator, first find. $0.17/kWh (0.8 lei in Romania), running every day for 4h/day at 100% power usage (gaming): RTX 4070: 200W - $4.14/month RX 6950 XT: 335W - $6.93/month The difference between them (if you had a 6950 XT instead of a 4070), is $2.79. That's around half a burger. According to that techpowerup site, the 6950 XT is 19% faster than the 4070 (which is actually a 4060 in disguise). Meaning it's roughly around a 3090, not a 3080. For the same moolah.
@@MadX8 And if you didn't know, you can significantly and very easily downclock AMD cards to 60-70% power usage from their desktop software (which is significantly better than Nvidia's), without much performance drop (well, depending on the game).
This 4070 should have been named 4060 Ti or even 4060. But if they named it that, they might have not been able to priced it at $599. They tried to launch a 4080 12GB because if it was named what it probably was (4070 class card), people would be upset with the high price that Nvidia was charging. They kind of screwed over their card naming in an attempt to reset price expectations higher and charge more. It's probably why their line up so screwed up. Nvidia could take their GPUs and shove it where the sun don't shine.
The pricing is almost certainly because publicly traded companies aren't supposed to just accept when periods of great success come to an end, so they need extreme margins to attempt to keep the profits from the mining craze and that's also combined with raising prices for rampant inflation. At the very least I can't accept that the (MSRP) price increases we've seen compared to the 30 series are purely from inflation and increasing costs of silicon like Nvidia claims. The PS5 and Series X would be hemorrhaging money for Sony/Microsoft if that were the case. I just want a reasonable card to recommend to my friends still on Pascal cards man, but the under $500 market sucks unless you want a 6700/6800 XT.
@@haukionkannel The released 4070 should have handedly beaten the 3080, it doesn't. This level of performance should have been a 4060 or 4060 Ti class card. The reason it wasn't named as such is they wouldn't be able to charge $599 for it. What this means is that when they eventually release the 4060 Ti, 4060, 4050, and lower class cards, those cards will be overpriced and not give the type of upgrade over the previous generation that people expect. Nvidia screwed up their naming convention with the 4000 series. Some would argue they did that with the 3000 series too. People have price/performance expectations and Nvidia is messing with it in order to push prices higher. Basically, they're giving us less of an upgrade and charging more for it and are hoping people don't notice.
@@MacTX I disagree. The naming is just fine. The GPUs are just too expensive considering what you get. But naming is much better than it used to be. Now xx90 series GPU has different gpu chip than xx80 series has. xx70 series has also different gpu chip and not the same one as xx80 chips has (in the past xx70 and xx80 did use same chips) Also xx60 use own chip. So now the names are logical... The prices are not...
The last time I got fooled by Nvidia was building a budget PC a few years back and opoted for a 1660 Super. Fool me one Nividia... The 4070 is a 4060/4060 TI all day long.
For me, I would have been interested in the card if it had 14GB or 16GB VRAM for $500-550. My 3070 is hanging in there and because they gimped the 4070, now I'm going to sit it out. No difference in CUDA cores but the higher clock speeds are nice. Great video! I can hear the "meh" in your voice. Lol.
9:29 I strongly disagree. If you look at the specs, the 4080 (16 GB) is what the 4070 should have been, not that 4080 "12 GB" crap they were trying to pull. Because all 70-class cards sold in the last DECADE, since the GTX 670, had a 256-bit memory bus. Not 192-bit. Nvidia done fucked up. Once they released the "Ti" version, it was all down the drain. They gimped it too much. The current "4070" is a 60-class card in disguise, sold under a 70-class label, for 80-class money. $600 is what the 80-class used to cost 3 generations ago (GTX 1080).
100% I am not buying any new Nvidia cards, my household mostly has AMD cards for that reason, my daughter's PC still has a 1660 Super, but at these prices, I'll probably wait or go AMD again
@@manuelhernandez2017I am gonna wait to see Battlemage. It could disrupt the prices increases in the upper middle range. AMD is not without fault, they have been raising the price thought the last few gens also just to sell old cards. This is the main issue with why the Ngreedia 40 series is so screwy. Both overproduced and inflated somehow at the same time instead of lowering them costs during the crypto crap. Now that market is done. Team green by far is the worst offender but the RX 7 series is priced right in line with them according to performance. By AMDs choice, they did not have to, but they wanted to sell old stock to us. Feels like table scraps, with a caveat that for 600 bones plus change the 6950xt is a monster at rendering performance if you do not need all the proprietary bells and whistles, last gen or not.
@@wingiu5695 Inflation in the last 10 years to 2023 is 25% give or take. The card prices went up over 100% from 2013 to 2023. So yes it pretty much does. My 6 year old 1070ti cost 399$ new, the 4070ti cost 799$ and that is just in 6 years time, where inflation went up 19% but the price increase is 100%.
I myself just got an MSI 4070 Gaming X Trio. I am enjoying it though. MSI did a pretty good job on this one, even though it's huge in size. It has a 215 watt TDP, so about 15 extra watts of headroom. And with the giant cooler on such a tiny board, and it uses a passthrough cooler, the cooling is amazing on this thing. When I'm just watching YT videos and doing regular desktop apps, the temps pretty much sit around 30 degrees C, even with zero fan RPMs. I was using a 3060 Ti with GDDR6X, so this was a decent upgrade for my Ryzen 7600X based system.
This would have been easier to digest if the 3080, a card that is consistently referenced, was actually in the charts.... Kind of hard to connect the dots with the 6900 XT in there instead.
All 40 Series cards so far cost around 2x what they are worth. The last three Generations spark no joy for me. Will stay with team red until they make a 1080 ti equivalent again.
I think they've decided to just give up on the 40xx generation entirely. There doesn't seem to be any willingness on their part to lower prices, even after poor sales for months, and now they're releasing a card named xx70 that's priced like a xx80 and performs like a xx60. My optimistic belief is that by late 2024 they'll come out with the 50xx at more normal pricing and with a reasonable performance jump again, with a big fanfare and marketing push about how much cheaper they are, and just write off the whole 40xx era as something they had no choice but to act like this during due to the ongoing economic ripples from the pandemic and the crypto boom/crash.
@@HowDareYouu The only hope for consumer gpu is intel to stimulate competition. I'll buy from any company that has good hardware at a reasonable price with open drivers, intel get good ffs so that you or amd might one day make a card worthy of my money.
From what I've seen from other reviews and from past results, the 4070 is really a 4060, 4070ti is the 4070. Usually 60 class cards met or beat last gens 80 class.
I love your pragmatic approach to viewing the 4xxx Family of video cards. My last 2 video cards have been Nvidia (RTX2070oc & RTX3070ti), but the Radeon 7900XT ($780) & Radeon 7900XTX ($960) look Much better in terms of Price/Performance. A further drop to , say $750 & $900 respectively, will be irresistible as I find RT a scam due to cost/performance & DLSS not worth the money premium. I have a AM4 PC set for a 5800X3D/64GB-3600CL16 upgrade so I can give my grandson a nice birthday (Strix RTX2070oc) present for his PC I built for him last birthday. Then a Ryzen 3900X for Christmas.😅
On the point. But the major problem is, that nvidia not calculating with raw fps power anymore, they also charge for new dlss features like dlls 3.0 framegeneration.
No what they do is they use dlss to get twice the fake frames out of a title, then claim double the fps and double the price accordingly They don’t charge for dlss, they charge you like they’d have those fps without injecting smeared non representative gibberish that will be turned off forever unless you wanna play slow paced single player titles with graphical fidelity, in which case I’d turn it off too bc of said graphical fidelity.
Its not just that either, the 40 series cards also have new Ai cores as well, its like the 20 series price increase because of the new Rt cores at the time
Still think the 4090 is the most reasonable card in a weird way. 1) smallest percentage price increase 2) now it’s not 8-10% faster at 2x the price of the 80 class, it’s 30% faster at 30% more money. It’s still not a good value but relative to the Titan cards it “replaced” (sort of- thanks for gimping the 90 series more than the Titan nvidia) but compared to the 3090 it feels much more reasonable given the family of cards they were selling.
If only it was $100 cheaper id want it...may finally switch to AMD, have been team green since the ATI days. Will have to see what the 78 and 7700 is like.
even then i wouldnt have gone for it. its a rip off. 70 class cards used to always be better than the 80 class of older generation. the 4070 is not better. not at all
@@nr1771 incorrect. the 2060 is equal to the 1080. the 2070 beat it. but the actual 2070 (2070 super) was equal to the 1080ti and even beats it often.
nVidia seems intent to make price to performance fairly flat across their lineup. So we'll get 1080p gaming at $400. This is going to destroy PC gaming over time. Budget builds will only catch up to console performance late in the console's life. So why buy a PC for gaming if you're on a budget?
The funny (sad) thing, is that I have 1080Ti and A4000 GPUs. They have kinda similar rasterization performance. The 1080Ti was 700$. Looking at current GPU lineup 3 generations later, I see that for same amount of money, I'd probably not even double the performance. And the next gen is 18 months away. And even if the 4090 was like 900-1000$ i'd still think twice about buying it because of power consumption, lack of DP 2.1 and PCIe 5 (for direct storage).
@@cmdrmonkey That is exactly my point. But even high end feels not high enough. Definitely not high enough for 1600$. Though I do use the A4000 (kinda 3060Ti level with 16GB of VRAM) for gaming more often recently since it has the fun of RT in games like DOOM Eternal and uses less than half the power of my 1080Ti with factory full cover liquid cooling block.
@@tinto278glad it worked for you. To me, It doesn't feel like an upgrade worth over 600$. Especially since I'm mostly using A4000 which is 3070 with 16GB but slightly lower clocks.
Least bad, does not mean good >.> still avoid this card. It will force Nvidia to lower prices further which will help lead to a card that might actually be good.
The only thing that's going to force them to drop their prices is competition on the AI hardware and datacenter side of the market. ChatGPT alone needs more than 30,000 Nvidia GPU's (about $10,000 apiece), and Nvidia can't make them fast enough. Right now, that's where they're making the vast majority of their profits. Their tossing gamers the scraps and telling them to buy it at unreasonable prices, or get lost. They don't care if they sell consumer GPU's.
If it had more Vram it would have been an actually decent option. Not great, but decent. I personally need Nvidia features for my work so I've been stuck with a 2060 super waiting for actual competition from AMD in productivity, or sensible Vram from Nvidia. Gunna have to wait a bit longer I guess.
What I've used as a metric to compare RTX 3000 to RTX 4000 series is using the RTX 3090 and RTX 4090 as a 100% comparison, then percentile the shaders relative to those cards. Example being that the RTX 4080 is proportional to the RTX 3070ti in shader count.
@wikingkrig5801 Just means that so far the only comparable GPU bin to 3000 series is the RTX 4090. They're both xx102 GPUs with a slight chop. Everything else's binning scheme is upselling, so there's less value. Just look at the gap between the RTX 3090 and RTX 4090, then compare that to everything else. They're upselling the 40xx GPUs to create a 30-40% gap (about) compared to the like 70% gap when its a 1:1 comparison to the RTX 3000's binning scheme.
Where you are saying it' s not a 4k card, do you mean native 4k? Because players are going to use DLSS with this card so it will use an internal resolution of 1080 -> 1440. Or do you take in account that players are going to use DLSS even at 1440 ? Thanks
NVidia needs to fix their prices on their RTX cards: 4090 $999 -24GB VRAM 4080Ti $899 -24GB VRAM version 4080 $799 -16GB VRAM 4070Ti $699 -16GB VRAM version 4070 $599 -16GB VRAM version 4060Ti $499 -12GB VRAM version 4060 $399 -12GB VRAM version 4050Ti $299 -12GB VRAM version 4050 $199 - 8GB VRAM version If they still want a huge profit margin flagship GPU, for people willing to pay for the very best, they could release a new RTX4090Ti / titan with 48GB VRAM, display port 2.1 & PCIe5 for something between $1,500 and $2,000. This pricing would be consistent with the previous pricing, even taking into account the cost of living inflation. They should not charge over $200 for ANY GPU with 8GB VRAM.
It's not what they are charging that annoys me, the market will fix that eventually. It is the loooooooooooong wait while they slowly dribble out the mid tier cards. At this rate it's going to be almost 12 months after the 4090 release befroe we get a 4060. I can only assume they are trying to stretch it out so they can hold off on the 50 series to extract maximum profit from this generation.
@@Adam_Lynnthey stretch it out to “force” people to buy more performance than they want. People get fed up w/ the wait and pay more money then they wanted to.
Hey nice video man, can you please do some videos with more emphasis on the technology. Talking about cache, ddr5, pcie, interconnect and architecture.
This is the most lowkey, scathing review I've seen! I actually love it! My first GPU I "splurged" and bought a $700 used card....now that tier cards are ~$2000.....wut!? This is stupid!
I’m literally still stuck on a 2070 super mini, because there was nothing on shelves when I needed one and I refuse to pay these ridiculous prices for these gpus. If I end up having to spend a lot of money, I’m going amd just to spite nvidia, plus higher gb capacity doesn’t hurt.
Hello, I'm new to your channel. My takeaway from the 4070 is that the name is wrong and misleading, and it's priced too high. The 4070 is almost certainly an upscaled 4060ti. If we were making a comparison of the 4060ti to the 3080, it'd be a much more different tone discussion I think. Also, it's priced a bit too high, in context, I think. Getting '3080 performance' for $100 less sounds like a good deal, until you realize that the 4070 should by rights be getting above 3080 performance. If the 4070 was comfortably b eating the 3080 by 10-15% at $600, I think a lot more people would be interested. But getting only 90% of the 3080's performance for that price doesn't feel as great. If this card was priced at $550 or $500 though, it'd also be a very different story. If this card was priced at $500, and you could directly compare it to the 3070, I think a lot of folks would be singing its praises.
actually not surprising at all that the 4070 stacks up bad against the 3080: the good showing of the 3070 against the 2080 comes from the fact that they were based on the same class of chip TU104 vs GA104, both with a 256bit memory-bus. the 4070 vs the 3080 is comparing a 320bit GA102 vs a 192bit AD104. A fair comparison would be a 3080 vs a maybe cut down version of the AD103. But of course NV pricing makes that moot.
What about increase cache on this new gen? How much does that cost them along with improvement on the PCB and others factors to handle those higher frequencies and voltage on that small size factor (discount cooler size)...
I am ignorant when it comes to computers I am researching and learning as much as I can but a year ago I went into Walmart to buy a playstation 5 because I wanted an all-in-one 4K device, And I let the sales guy talk me into buying a computer because it does more, Well it came with an RTX3060 and because I didn't know any better I thought OK it will display in 4K Wasn't until later I realized that just because it can doesn't mean it should I want to upgrade, I'm disappointed that I spent a few $100 more on something that won't display in 4K, Is the RTX3080 a reasonable choice or should I save and maybe splurge on A 3090? thanks in advanced for any advice and sorry I'm such a noob
I think you've nailed Nvidia's strategy. They are going to look at the GPU as a 'good enough' platform to run 'crutch' (sorry, 'value added') software. Frame generation and supposed AI derived image map compression are just the start. AMD are going to be forced to either spend a lot more on software development or they are going to have to deliver significantly higher value in silicon. As a side suggestion take a look at the RX6800XTwith it's 16GB of VRAM . I think it's between the same performance of a 3080TI and the 3080 and currently they are going for fire sale prices starting at $510.
RTX alleged "4070"=4060 that cost $600 USD RX 7900XT=RX 7800 that cost $900 RX 7900XTX=RX 7800XT we supposed to get, and it cost over $1000 in hamburger That works out to an even universal 50% price across across all of the cards. Check it. Check its specifications, speed, and the math, it is literally a 50% price gouge across every single GPU this generation, and both of the major scummy corpos did the same renaming of shit to hoping we didn't notice what they just did. Do not buy trash from either of these brands until they lower prices. Nobody's starving to death at the AMD or nVidia corporate boardroom. Sell your stock too since clearly people aren't going to put up with this and their sales already is down drastically.
I would have build a completely new system by now but I’m hanging on to my 2070 super for as long as I have to. I don’t want to feel ripped off when upgrading.
You have to factor in inflation, just like food in restaurants, the prices have gone up, but portions are reduced. Anyway we have to consider the other silicon present in the 4070 vs 3080 and we have to also consider that drivers will take some time to mature and games will take time to optimize.
17:11 Yeah, because the 60-class always competed with (and often even beat) the previous-gen 80-class. 17:30 "Not a lot of people pointed it out?" Bruh. A LOT of people pointed it out! It's one of the reasons why this card isn't selling too well. 18:19 _"We'll really lean into our frame generation technology"._ You can't use frame gen with VSync. You need a G-Sync capable monitor. And the game has to SUPPORT it, it doesn't work for all games, the game developers have to add motion vectors to the final rendered image so that it can work. And some games that DO support it have some really horrible ghosting issues. It's not the magic bullet that Nvidia wants you think it is.
FYI, The XFX Merc 310 series of 7900's are all 2-slot in the "team red" camp. Super long cards though. Would definitely have to check your case ahead of time.
I was going to wait for the 4070 but after the price & performance came out I decided to get the RX6800 instead for just $400 and that's counting tax and everything my budget was $500 and the RX6800 beat everything at that price and so far it's been able to play everything at ultrawide 1440 easy so I'm happy for a bit.
Nvidia did that on purpose to dupe People like you. Thanks to you and Nvidia didn't have to drop prices on their older cards which they had way too many of because they weren't selling as they were overpriced... Stop pretending you were part of the solution when you were really part of the problem...
That's the goal, really. They want the oversupply of 3000 gen to sell. If you are looking for the previous gen, just buy a used one if it's in good condition just so you can give nvidia the middle finger.
I'm actually glad someone in the comments gets this. It's frightening how people, with all the information that's been available on video reviews and benchmarks, still think that if this thing costed $100 less everything would be fine.
I just got a 4070 and I'm happy. Upgraded from an RX580 8gb. I was thinking I was going to have to buy a new PSU, but basically getting a 3080 for much less power means it's a straightforward upgrade. 1440p only for me, don't care about 4k. Just want RTX features for old game remasters/mods. This basically fit the bill for me.
Have a 4070 as well and am very happy. Prices are what they are. You can complain or pay up if you want to upgrade. Prices aren’t coming down. They will cut back production to keep prices higher.
@@Bob_Smith19 That's not true, I went with the competition for example. Intel a770 16GB. You wasted your money driving prices up, there were other options and you could have saved a lot of money lol.
The 4070 is in such a weird space at $599. Even if the card released with 16gb instead of 12gb there's the 6800XT for around $550-$580 which offers similar levels of raster performance while trading off DLSS 3 (though FSR3 may make that a mute point), RT performance and power efficiency The 6950XT can also be regularly found for $599 with a free game up to around $640 for fancier models. This net you noticably greater raster performance, competitive enough RT performance, but consumes way power power. The ideal 4070 would of been 16gb, higher memory bus width to scale better at 4k and around $550 (any lower seems impossible with Nvidia tax in mind)
@@Wobbothe3rd those missing features don't matter if you're just gaming. I assume you mean productivity features? If that's the case then there's no point in even bringing AMD to the discussion, NVIDIA is the default to to. In terms of gaming there's definitely a place for AMD I've had more NVIDIA cards in my lifetime than AMD cards and I haven't noticed any issues. You're greatly exaggerating the 1% drops
In my view it would make much more sense spec and performance wise if the MSRP of the 4080 16 would be $799, the 4070ti $599, the 4070 $499, the 4060ti $399 and the 4060 $299. That is why I decided to pass on the whole 40 series until they adjust their prices but I do not see that happen any time soon. I am not crazy or desperate enough for a GPU for the price they want me to pay for it.
It is a beautiful card in many ways, power efficient, small (fits in smaller chasis), a strong performance in many ways. But it is overpriced for sure, even adjusting for inflation/higher die-prices, and it is the 4060ti renamned. At a better price point this card can be insane, but Nvidia is always pushing the limit for what they can charge, feeling out their customers. I'm just not sure if we will ever see prices come down fully to what they were before the sillicon-shortage, AMD is a little better than Nvidia, but they got shareholders as well, and Intel is working on their battlemage that can have an disruptive effect if succesful (or they just join the overpriced sillicon wave when they are established, and we get a tri-poly.
It is a decent card, ideally it would have been 500 euro's msrp. Inflation is rampant however so 550 would have been a reasonable msrp, this would mean most cards will cost around 550-600 euro's which is fine. The msrp price is just too high resulting in most rtx 4070 cards costing just below 700 euro's which is insane. Performance per watt is insanely good though.
I am building a new pc for the first time in a while. I already have a geforce 750ti, but I can get current for $600. The geforce 4k offers many benefits beyond gaming performance that is difficult or impossible to achieve via other methods. The 750ti really does perform well enough for my gaming needs, though I am sure that the 4070 will perform better. The other large advantage is that the 4070 has 1/2 to 1/3 the idle power draw of the 750ti. I have also been playing with stable diffusion, and some of the interesting things in that game require 11.3GB of ram minimum. So the 12GB of ram on the 4070 qualifies to let me experiment with those systems. Also at the top end, the 4090 is twice as fast as the 3090 for stable diffusion, hopefully that speed rolls over to the 4070. In reality, most of the time I am concerned about the power draw at idle, and periodically if it meets the minimum requirements for stable diffusion. If it were twice as fast or not is not a significant concern.
For me checking total memory bandwidth was a nice way to tell if a GPU was fast, people always have ignore this and companies always took the advantage and hide it on their bus/clock speeds as most wouldn't even understand how to translate to memory performance...Now finally people ask themselves why only has 512GB/s been a 70-Class GPU and the cache dies explain the cut in performance but at the end of all things they aren't even cutting prices with the money they save using lower speed memory. Worst is they call it theatrical speed now so we went from hiding the information to giving misleading numbers of current VRAM performance.
RTX 3080 Laptop GPU had 16 GB VRAM and the A4000 had 16 GB VRAM (RTX 3070/TI performance) AMD 16 GB cards are looking much better option for the price.
The mobile 3080 mobile getting 16GB is such an insult to the desktop version. I love that it exists, but it really shows that they could have done it on desktop, and chose not to.
@@DigitalJedi same with 980 mobile it came with 8gb in 2014 when the desktop was 4gb. 9 years later cards worth over 5-600 still coming with 8gb is pathetic.
I have a 2016 Clevo that could take one of those cards. I would have bought one to upgrade from 2x 1080s (SLI being dead) if the price had ever dropped below $2000AU
If people keep buying them, Nvidia would be stupid to not sell them. When the first Titan was released for 1000, people were openly mocking them. Now they pay more even for lower than the top tier. Far more. Why shouldn't Nvidia ask for the amounts they ask? If AMD release similar performing GPUs, including ray tracing, and consume at most the same power, then Nvidia will change. Not before.
This gen has really just been DOA. Hope the next one is better because if it’s not I will just keep waiting til we finally get a good deal with major gains. Man the 10-Series cards were good looking back.
It would be interesting to compare gaming gpus, if there would be games that are worth having a 600 to 1000 $ GPU... But for factorio, deep rock galactic and so on... You don't need a lot of money these days to have fun, it's actualy bad if you overspent it.
It seems that all of NVidia's engineering effort has gone into product segmentation rather than product features. My guess is that the extra cache allows the card to compensate for the reduced memory bandwidth. That would make this an amazing 60-class card. This is because people doing professional work on these cards likely have a different pattern of memory access and thus would be hobbled by the performance. Which is what NVidia wants so as to push people into a professional (read: higher-cost) card.
I really struggle to understand this year's line up as well. I think the 4070 looks really nice for a mini-itx system but if I'm looking at a full atx system I don't think the landscape looks good with better options on the market.
Looks plastic and is a blower design which has failed millions of times yet they still try to milead you into buying a blower card and pay 600 for a 300 card. No thanks.
@@Hawlkeye-e9p This isn't a blower card, and blowers have been very reliable in my experience. I've had a Titan XP (GTX 1090), 5700XT, 3080 10GB Turbo, and now finally have a 7900XTX that isn't a blower because they don't make them.
The 4070 should be a 4060ti and its tough competition with AMD offering lot's more VRAM for a lot lower cost, you are starting to see more gamers move to team red. The 6800 in the video was smashing the 4070 in the bench tests which is a last gen GPU! I'm now looking at pasting on my RTX 3070 to my son for 1080p gaming and I'll look at the RX 7900XT or 7900 XTX for 3440 x 1440 gaming that's the same price as the 4070 but with more than double of VRAM.
They just shifted the performance category up one but not the actual performance, so the 70, 80, and 90 series stepped back one tier, and I am so reluctant to purchase because of this, it is the same as a guy selling you a $8 water bottle (that cost $0.25) in a line you can't get out of, it's really low scummy behavior. My minimum upgrade tier was the 70 series, which is now the 4080 series, and it's hard to justify slapping an extra $500 onto a card just to stay in the performance slot you want to. I may end up throwing it at AMD just because I want a 'get me by for a few years' card just to skip this insanity.
@@zdspider6778 not that I don’t want you to be right, but I think you’re underestimating the Bill of Materials on this card. A) at a price of 200-300, relative to the real world price of 600, means they are making more than 100 or 200% profit on these cards. I find that a little difficult to believe. B) between GamersNexus video about EVGA and (rumors from) Moore’s law is dead, card manufacturers are struggling to make money on some of these cards. Again, I’d definitely *like* to see this be 60-class at a 200 price point. But I just don’t think that’s possible even if NVIDIA weren’t trying to grab all the money they could.
@@levygaming3133 They've been making GPUs for 30 years. You would think with the experience they have they would be like $80-150 by now. Something is definitely off with the GPU market. I think crypto fucked it up. And now that it's over (officially deemed _"useless to society"_ by the CTO of Nvidia after making money hand-over-fist from the cryptobros), now the AI craze is fixing to replace it.
@@levygaming3133 AIBs are struggling to make money on cards because Nvidia is gouging them. Nvidia has huge profit margins, as they show in every financial report!
3080 is a really odd place to be right now. The VRAM is causing problems at 4k even though the card itself is capable in power. Instead of the 4070 surpassing the 3080 at 4k it now has sufficient VRAM but reduced performance. The price has jumped up so you're paying the same amount of money for roughly the same performance. Upsetting if this becomes normal.
I't obvious Nvidia wants to gimp this card and that is their choice to be honest. If you want to game at 4k they can charge you extra to be able to do it. Bottom line they are dragging their feet with the mid tier card releases to extract every last dime from consumers and it stinks. Just release the bloody 4060 already and let people buy a reasonably priced card.
Yeah, the 4070 Ti should have been the 4070 at 600$ or less... This 4070 is just a xx60 class card with a up-branded sticker and inflated price. This should have been 300-400$ performance.
This guy thinks borderlands isn't optimized better for radeon cards is sad. Literally it's been always shown borderlands has always run more efficiently on there cards than nvidas
Quick life hack for people wanting to get any 40's series card. Look at your bestbuys near you because whenever someone does return the card they mark down the open box cards by $130. I got my 4070 for $479 but with tax it was closer to $518ish. They are doing it with all the 40s series cards i saw a 4070ti go for $670 at one point. Disclaimer however they do not test the cards they take what the customer says at face value. But do offer a 15 day return period for all open box items.
i really wish it wasn't such a pain to find a good upgrade path from my now somewhat aging 1660 super, i'd like something that has full av1 encoding capabilities and isn't going to pull a metric boat load of power but will still play games like wow and other similar titles at 1080p and 1440p at max settings at least 120+ refresh rate on a suitable monitor
The 4070 isn't for people that managed to get a 3080, it's for people that had a rx 6600 they bought in 2021 for wayyyy too much because their gpu burned down.
And for those of us who hadn't upgraded since our 10x0 or even 9x0 GPUs due to bidding up of street prices by miners. I got a 4070FE (upgrading from a 970) on launch day in the UK, and don't regret it. It has a warranty, unlike used cards. The price is on line with its performance, compared with other cards available new with warranties, both with Nvidia GPUs *and* AMD GPUs above and below it. Yes, faster cards are available, but there's always something better if you're prepared to open your wallet wider: I wasn't. I also like the sub-200W power consumption which has real economic benefits in terms of running costs, compared with 330W monsters. I've even been pleasantly surprised by its performance at 4K: even paired with my 8 year old 5820K at stock speeds, it's able to run everything I've thrown at it with high/ultra settings and 50-70+ FPS. I think Control is the only game that needed DLSS to hit that frame rate. If I was a competitive multiplayer gamer, sure, this card would be inadequate at 4K. But for those of us single players - especially playing older titles - it's *fine*. Whilst some focus on AAA titles ported from consoles assuming 12-16GB of VRAM, I think the Steam Deck has a real chance of becoming another target platform. Doom Eternal shows how well good-looking games can run, with a bit of care from their developers. Boycott sloppy ports, at least until they're fixed to run reasonably well on hardware people actually own!
@@cowbutt6 yeah, it's a big upgrade to be sure, the price is obviously meh, and nobody can dispute that, but it's big upgrade coming out of the dark times.
The 3080 12GB is the Way to go if the Price is right honestly. Even 3% better than the normal 3080 and the same GB. On 4K its probably 15% better at Times.
Might not be better at least at raster performance. I'd expect the 4070 to be better for Ray tracing though. Not to mention the 30 series doesn't have access to frame generation of DLSS 3 finally also more power efficient.
Ngreedia touts Frame Generation (DLSS 3) as it’s new fps measuring tool and Ray Tracing yet delivers sub optimal vram and GPU bus width and a massive price hike to justify the new 40-series lineup …… wrong 3 for 3 imo. Nvidias 4090 is a monster GPU with a more ….. acceptable price ….. the average gamer GPU is being offered nothing but regression in every way …. Performance, value, affordability etc.
Bought a 7900xt hellhound yesterday. Was waiting a while for the 4070, but the price difference is not big enough. The 4070ti costs about the same but is even worse value with its paltry 12gigs.. If the 4070 was 500 euros I would have bought it. As for AMD , I was tired waiting for lower tier cards who would have less memory anyway and I fear the price difference won't be dramatic. Nah, 20 gigs will last me a looong time..
@@Wobbothe3rd Forget it, RT performance is equal to a 4070TI, with exeptions. Check hardware unboxed, in 50 games even with RT enabled games they were only a few percent apart, only in a few games there were massive outliers , going both ways. Every Unreal 5 based game with HW raytracing runs equally fast on this card vs a 4070TI. Exept this thing has 8 gigs more vram instead of the paltry 12gigs wich is already mid range at best. Good luck in a year or two, the card will be unusable , just like 3070 owners are bleating vs the 6800.
I come before you in shame, for I have purchased a RTX 4070. What's worse, is I already had a 3080 12gb which is faster. I was just sick of the heat! I underestimated how much heat a 360w card would produce, the thing turned my PC into a space heater! Now when gaming the temperature in the room doesn't feel like it changes at all. Now I just need to sell my 3080 12gb lol
Does anyone know when/if arc pro cards will come out? I need to upgrade some discrete GPU for my VMs and I don't need lot of power... So an A40 would be great.
![“อาร์ต พศุตม์” เกือบเอี่ยวทุกคดีดัง เอ๊ะไว้ก่อน ไม่มีอะไรได้มาง่ายๆ | แฉ 16 ต.ค. 67 [2/3] | GMM25](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0Gx-0-kUBv8/mqdefault.jpg)
nvidia was trying to shift their whole stack. pass off higher numbered cards with lower model performance at higher tiered price. This was supposed to be where the 4060ti shouldve landed
exactly this - again.
+1 been saying this ever since they showed off the 12GB 4080 version.
They move their entire gpu stack up a slot while selling consumers the smallest gpu dies in years.
This is little slow for 4060 ti, 3060 ti is faster than 2080 super so this is more like 4060 that should match last gen 80 series card.
They've done it for about 10 years now. First Titan card was in 2013. Just a slightly better binned 780 Ti with double precision processing enabled and 3 more GB of RAM for the low low price of $999. Only 300 dollars more for what is the same part.
And right now a 780 TI will get 31.19fps in Borderlands 3 high settings, a GTX Titan will get 31.88fps. Even back in the day the difference was never more than a couple fps and that huge mark up.
this should've been a rtx 4060 at most, the 4060 ti is going to be a 4050 ti in reality as well
As soon as the 4080 12gb was cancelled that's when I figured they were going to knock everything back. The 4070 should have been 4060 or ti and the 4070 ti should have been the base 4070
As far as I can tell they did knock everything back, so you're saying that you have knocked him back again... I'm not disagreeing with you but I don't think it was gonna happen
Crazy thing is they probably did. The 4070 they released they probably intended to call a 4070ti and charge $700 for it.
@@snives7166 the 192 bit bus with 12gb vram on the 4070 ti is even more criminal than on the 4070 side
@@jaykoerner no they artificially created a 70 ti series to segment it further. If you remember, 3070 ti came way after 3070 and 3080 released. it barely had any performance difference and didn't close the gap from the 3080 at all. It was all because of the crypto craze, so they could make more money
"4070" is so nerfed that it performs like a 60 class card. 4060 ti would have made more sense
@@mr.electronx9036 the 4070 ti would have performed a lot better if it had 16/256, but 256 bit bus is reserved for over $1000 only now.
3070 ti was basically a 3070 with gddr6x (the core increase was so miniscule). It has 100GB/s more memory bandwidth than the 4070 and 4070 ti successors...
nvidia might not have killed pc gaming but it has put it in a 10 year coma
10 more years to come 😂😂
PC gaming is dead when I can buy a console for less...
@@evalangley3985 Oook, you couldn't get a system that performed faster than a PS4 for less money when it first came out. And good luck getting a system that competed against a PS3 when it first came out
@@evalangley3985 You can, and you need to buy several games for Sony and MS to make up the money they lost by selling it underpriced.
You can buy a PC system as powerful as a current gen console for roughly 50-100$ more, too.
PC gaming is far more then the latest AAA titels... if a console can replace your PC you never have been a PC gamer.
A console can however take care of those AAA titels and replace the expensive NVIDIA cards...
This thing should have a base price or 450, and that's being generous. I still remember the GTX 970 starting at around 329, and it was not too far from the performance of the 980.
gtx 970 @ 329 was almost 10 years ago, ever heard of inflation?
(place your useless 13 in a dozen anti nvidia comments below)
@@TheTryingDutchman I have heard of inflation, but I haven't seen it hit 100% in under 10 years :)
@@unclerubo lol how old are you?
Food increased way over 200%, fuel over 150%, same for energy/power in general (which all trickles down to EVERYTHING we buy), cars have gone waaay up, everything has gone waaaay up over the last 10 years.
Either you where still a kid 10 years ago, or someone else pays your bills, or you are oblivious and selective as fk.
Any idea how expensive the chipmaking process has become with the latest 3/4/5 nanometer chips?
I work at ASML, Veldhoven, we design the machines that MAKE the chips Nvidia and others use to MAKE their chips.
The production process is complex and expensive af and continuously keeps on increasing. (This all is BESIDE the general inflation which over the last 10 years has DOUBLED (or more) for MANY products.
@@TheTryingDutchmaninflation from 2014 to 2023 in the US (advertised not true inflation I'm sure) takes $329 to $419.47.... I mean sure the price is probably up a bit from what the inflation number would be but this is a lot.
I'm just bitter I held onto my GTX 970 hoping the 40XX series would fix all the pricing issues but here we are.
@@vhateverlie yeah 1 i dont live in the US, 2 (like you said) the stated inflation is abolutely unrealistic, i spend 80 bucks a week on what litterally cost me 30 bucks 9 years ago, 3 there are SO MANY PARTS from ALL OVER THE WORLD coming together in a gpu that it al stacks up like a mfker.
I'd love to see a brand new 4070 for 400 bucks, dont get me wrong, but that is simply never going to happen, and comparing a TWENTYEIGHT NANOMETER processor to a FIVE or lower nanometer processor is absolutely stupid and pointless.
The process is simply way more complicated/expensive.
Shaving more than 10% off the 4070 f.e. is simply not feasable as a company.
But hey, you all have fun parroting your favourite youtuber without actually having any technical/inside knowledge whatsover!
Almost got my last PC Build customer into this one but still felt it was too much money at $600 where we are. Instead, for $390 he went with a 6750XT. Would have went 3070 but around here those are over $500 still. He has been extremely happy with the 6750XT on his new 1440p monitor. All this new gen needs to come down more. Really hoping the 7800XT comes in under $600 and out-performs the 4070. We need some damn value again!
7800 xt will be miles ahead of the 4070 man
@@ElliottPiano you'd hope so, but AMD has a history of memeing on Nvidia and then doing stupid shit right afterwards, so it's not looking good.
I ended up doing something similar, I paired a r7 7700 with a Rx 6700xt. There's a promotional price for that specific model that brought the price down to 319 and it includes a game to boot. It's really hard to justify the 4070 at the current 599 price.
I really doubt the 7800xt is going to offer a lot more value right away. Judging from the drivers plaguing the 4090s, but I'm pretty sure in 1-2 yrs, the 7800xt is going to have much more staying power.
AMD's about to say "$599.99 is under $600!"
12:24 Gamers Nexus did a teardown and compared the PCB with 4070 cards from other manufacturers. It's a dingy little thing. The Nvidia PCB was actually even missing some components found in the Inno3D one, for example. So, yeah, it's cheaply made, typical of a 60-class or 50-class. But they're charging 80-class money for it. Nvidia can eat a dick. This generation is a major skip.
The 4070 has the level of performance of the 3080, while staying under 200w and having frame gen.
I guess people just want stupid big ass gpu that are power hungry and will turn your case into hell kitchen.
It's a shame that gamers nowadays don't value efficiency. Cause I would pick the 4070 over the 3080 everyday. Not to mention AMD , because big numbers in benchmarks are great but I've been fooled more than once with the famous "bigger numbers than Nvidia for the money". Never again.
You guys can keep your 500w GPUs.
@@MadX8
Electricity Calculator, first find.
$0.17/kWh (0.8 lei in Romania), running every day for 4h/day at 100% power usage (gaming):
RTX 4070: 200W - $4.14/month
RX 6950 XT: 335W - $6.93/month
The difference between them (if you had a 6950 XT instead of a 4070), is $2.79.
That's around half a burger.
According to that techpowerup site, the 6950 XT is 19% faster than the 4070 (which is actually a 4060 in disguise). Meaning it's roughly around a 3090, not a 3080. For the same moolah.
@@MadX8 And if you didn't know, you can significantly and very easily downclock AMD cards to 60-70% power usage from their desktop software (which is significantly better than Nvidia's), without much performance drop (well, depending on the game).
This 4070 should have been named 4060 Ti or even 4060. But if they named it that, they might have not been able to priced it at $599.
They tried to launch a 4080 12GB because if it was named what it probably was (4070 class card), people would be upset with the high price that Nvidia was charging. They kind of screwed over their card naming in an attempt to reset price expectations higher and charge more. It's probably why their line up so screwed up.
Nvidia could take their GPUs and shove it where the sun don't shine.
They have 4060 and 4060ti and they have 4050... They need to name 4070 as 4070 because there are even worce GPUs below that..
The CUDA core count is even less than a 4060 should historically have - about 33% of the full die.
The pricing is almost certainly because publicly traded companies aren't supposed to just accept when periods of great success come to an end, so they need extreme margins to attempt to keep the profits from the mining craze and that's also combined with raising prices for rampant inflation. At the very least I can't accept that the (MSRP) price increases we've seen compared to the 30 series are purely from inflation and increasing costs of silicon like Nvidia claims. The PS5 and Series X would be hemorrhaging money for Sony/Microsoft if that were the case.
I just want a reasonable card to recommend to my friends still on Pascal cards man, but the under $500 market sucks unless you want a 6700/6800 XT.
@@haukionkannel The released 4070 should have handedly beaten the 3080, it doesn't. This level of performance should have been a 4060 or 4060 Ti class card. The reason it wasn't named as such is they wouldn't be able to charge $599 for it.
What this means is that when they eventually release the 4060 Ti, 4060, 4050, and lower class cards, those cards will be overpriced and not give the type of upgrade over the previous generation that people expect.
Nvidia screwed up their naming convention with the 4000 series. Some would argue they did that with the 3000 series too.
People have price/performance expectations and Nvidia is messing with it in order to push prices higher.
Basically, they're giving us less of an upgrade and charging more for it and are hoping people don't notice.
@@MacTX
I disagree. The naming is just fine. The GPUs are just too expensive considering what you get.
But naming is much better than it used to be. Now xx90 series GPU has different gpu chip than xx80 series has. xx70 series has also different gpu chip and not the same one as xx80 chips has (in the past xx70 and xx80 did use same chips)
Also xx60 use own chip.
So now the names are logical... The prices are not...
The last time I got fooled by Nvidia was building a budget PC a few years back and opoted for a 1660 Super. Fool me one Nividia... The 4070 is a 4060/4060 TI all day long.
I’m very glad this happening and will continue to happen as long as ppl selfishly proclaim. "It’s my money don’t tell me how to spend it"
For me, I would have been interested in the card if it had 14GB or 16GB VRAM for $500-550. My 3070 is hanging in there and because they gimped the 4070, now I'm going to sit it out. No difference in CUDA cores but the higher clock speeds are nice. Great video! I can hear the "meh" in your voice. Lol.
9:29 I strongly disagree. If you look at the specs, the 4080 (16 GB) is what the 4070 should have been, not that 4080 "12 GB" crap they were trying to pull. Because all 70-class cards sold in the last DECADE, since the GTX 670, had a 256-bit memory bus. Not 192-bit. Nvidia done fucked up. Once they released the "Ti" version, it was all down the drain. They gimped it too much.
The current "4070" is a 60-class card in disguise, sold under a 70-class label, for 80-class money. $600 is what the 80-class used to cost 3 generations ago (GTX 1080).
100% I am not buying any new Nvidia cards, my household mostly has AMD cards for that reason, my daughter's PC still has a 1660 Super, but at these prices, I'll probably wait or go AMD again
@@manuelhernandez2017I am gonna wait to see Battlemage. It could disrupt the prices increases in the upper middle range. AMD is not without fault, they have been raising the price thought the last few gens also just to sell old cards. This is the main issue with why the Ngreedia 40 series is so screwy. Both overproduced and inflated somehow at the same time instead of lowering them costs during the crypto crap. Now that market is done. Team green by far is the worst offender but the RX 7 series is priced right in line with them according to performance. By AMDs choice, they did not have to, but they wanted to sell old stock to us. Feels like table scraps, with a caveat that for 600 bones plus change the 6950xt is a monster at rendering performance if you do not need all the proprietary bells and whistles, last gen or not.
@Captain_Morgan but so was the 70
you forgor inflation exists, it doesnt really cost like 80-class
@@wingiu5695 Inflation in the last 10 years to 2023 is 25% give or take. The card prices went up over 100% from 2013 to 2023. So yes it pretty much does. My 6 year old 1070ti cost 399$ new, the 4070ti cost 799$ and that is just in 6 years time, where inflation went up 19% but the price increase is 100%.
I myself just got an MSI 4070 Gaming X Trio. I am enjoying it though. MSI did a pretty good job on this one, even though it's huge in size. It has a 215 watt TDP, so about 15 extra watts of headroom. And with the giant cooler on such a tiny board, and it uses a passthrough cooler, the cooling is amazing on this thing. When I'm just watching YT videos and doing regular desktop apps, the temps pretty much sit around 30 degrees C, even with zero fan RPMs. I was using a 3060 Ti with GDDR6X, so this was a decent upgrade for my Ryzen 7600X based system.
This would have been easier to digest if the 3080, a card that is consistently referenced, was actually in the charts.... Kind of hard to connect the dots with the 6900 XT in there instead.
The 3080 is slightly faster than the 4070. Not much in it.
All 40 Series cards so far cost around 2x what they are worth. The last three Generations spark no joy for me. Will stay with team red until they make a 1080 ti equivalent again.
Unfortunately AMD is also part of the problem with their prices and strategies
Yep, and they are bother going to get a rude awakening as the consumer collapses
I think they've decided to just give up on the 40xx generation entirely. There doesn't seem to be any willingness on their part to lower prices, even after poor sales for months, and now they're releasing a card named xx70 that's priced like a xx80 and performs like a xx60.
My optimistic belief is that by late 2024 they'll come out with the 50xx at more normal pricing and with a reasonable performance jump again, with a big fanfare and marketing push about how much cheaper they are, and just write off the whole 40xx era as something they had no choice but to act like this during due to the ongoing economic ripples from the pandemic and the crypto boom/crash.
@@HowDareYouu The only hope for consumer gpu is intel to stimulate competition. I'll buy from any company that has good hardware at a reasonable price with open drivers, intel get good ffs so that you or amd might one day make a card worthy of my money.
The 30 series wasn't terrible before the chip shortage price hikes. Not 10 series value, but not anywhere near as bad as the 20 or 40 series
Completely off topic, but I think i saw you on "TechSyndycate" or something channel years ago, you're looking good and healthier now, good on you
twenty minutes to tell you that its really an expensive 4060.
Without him actually saying its a 4060.... i was waiting for him to say its a 4060.
From what I've seen from other reviews and from past results, the 4070 is really a 4060, 4070ti is the 4070. Usually 60 class cards met or beat last gens 80 class.
I love your pragmatic approach to viewing the 4xxx Family of video cards. My last 2 video cards have been Nvidia (RTX2070oc & RTX3070ti), but the Radeon 7900XT ($780) & Radeon 7900XTX ($960) look Much better in terms of Price/Performance. A further drop to , say $750 & $900 respectively, will be irresistible as I find RT a scam due to cost/performance & DLSS not worth the money premium. I have a AM4 PC set for a 5800X3D/64GB-3600CL16 upgrade so I can give my grandson a nice birthday (Strix RTX2070oc) present for his PC I built for him last birthday. Then a Ryzen 3900X for Christmas.😅
You have a very luck grandson.
The power consumption of the 4070 is 120 + watts less than the 3080 so wouldn't that make it more efficient for your electric bill?
On the point. But the major problem is, that nvidia not calculating with raw fps power anymore, they also charge for new dlss features like dlls 3.0 framegeneration.
No what they do is they use dlss to get twice the fake frames out of a title, then claim double the fps and double the price accordingly
They don’t charge for dlss, they charge you like they’d have those fps without injecting smeared non representative gibberish that will be turned off forever unless you wanna play slow paced single player titles with graphical fidelity, in which case I’d turn it off too bc of said graphical fidelity.
Its not just that either, the 40 series cards also have new Ai cores as well, its like the 20 series price increase because of the new Rt cores at the time
Still think the 4090 is the most reasonable card in a weird way.
1) smallest percentage price increase
2) now it’s not 8-10% faster at 2x the price of the 80 class, it’s 30% faster at 30% more money.
It’s still not a good value but relative to the Titan cards it “replaced” (sort of- thanks for gimping the 90 series more than the Titan nvidia) but compared to the 3090 it feels much more reasonable given the family of cards they were selling.
If only it was $100 cheaper id want it...may finally switch to AMD, have been team green since the ATI days. Will have to see what the 78 and 7700 is like.
I had same destiny... realising of somehow weird gens in row, moved me to AMD ..team Green just losed more of my trust than team red.
even then i wouldnt have gone for it. its a rip off. 70 class cards used to always be better than the 80 class of older generation. the 4070 is not better. not at all
Even $100 less makes no sense. Its still overpriced. If it had maybe 4gb more vram then it would be a discussion.
@@Pand0rasAct0r_ The 2070 wasn't better than the 1080. They were about the same in terms of performance.
@@nr1771 incorrect. the 2060 is equal to the 1080. the 2070 beat it. but the actual 2070 (2070 super) was equal to the 1080ti and even beats it often.
nVidia seems intent to make price to performance fairly flat across their lineup. So we'll get 1080p gaming at $400. This is going to destroy PC gaming over time. Budget builds will only catch up to console performance late in the console's life. So why buy a PC for gaming if you're on a budget?
So Im just getting back into a PC. Been off PC for 15 years. Have a PS5. PS5 plays nicely at 4k 60. Nice and easy to use
it won't destroy PC gaming. Nvidia can try to do whatever they want, but the fact is AMD, or Intel, will simply undercut
@@YuukiZ2023Yup, well said.
To compare like-with-like, use Nvidia DLSS or AMD FSR upscaling.
Great review Wendell!
I ended up buying a RX 7900 XTX a few days ago, it’s been awesome at running games on Arch Linux!
The funny (sad) thing, is that I have 1080Ti and A4000 GPUs. They have kinda similar rasterization performance. The 1080Ti was 700$. Looking at current GPU lineup 3 generations later, I see that for same amount of money, I'd probably not even double the performance. And the next gen is 18 months away. And even if the 4090 was like 900-1000$ i'd still think twice about buying it because of power consumption, lack of DP 2.1 and PCIe 5 (for direct storage).
@@cmdrmonkey That is exactly my point. But even high end feels not high enough. Definitely not high enough for 1600$. Though I do use the A4000 (kinda 3060Ti level with 16GB of VRAM) for gaming more often recently since it has the fun of RT in games like DOOM Eternal and uses less than half the power of my 1080Ti with factory full cover liquid cooling block.
I just replaced my 1080ti with a 4070 and its wicked fast. Very happy and way better cooling.
@@tinto278glad it worked for you. To me, It doesn't feel like an upgrade worth over 600$. Especially since I'm mostly using A4000 which is 3070 with 16GB but slightly lower clocks.
@@DmitriWeissman i have a 8700k
Least bad, does not mean good >.> still avoid this card. It will force Nvidia to lower prices further which will help lead to a card that might actually be good.
The only thing that's going to force them to drop their prices is competition on the AI hardware and datacenter side of the market. ChatGPT alone needs more than 30,000 Nvidia GPU's (about $10,000 apiece), and Nvidia can't make them fast enough. Right now, that's where they're making the vast majority of their profits. Their tossing gamers the scraps and telling them to buy it at unreasonable prices, or get lost. They don't care if they sell consumer GPU's.
15:52 "Selling really well"? Press X to doubt. 🤭
It's a 60-class card, that they're trying to sell under a 70-class label, for 80-class money. 💩
If it had more Vram it would have been an actually decent option. Not great, but decent.
I personally need Nvidia features for my work so I've been stuck with a 2060 super waiting for actual competition from AMD in productivity, or sensible Vram from Nvidia. Gunna have to wait a bit longer I guess.
disguised 4060
What I've used as a metric to compare RTX 3000 to RTX 4000 series is using the RTX 3090 and RTX 4090 as a 100% comparison, then percentile the shaders relative to those cards. Example being that the RTX 4080 is proportional to the RTX 3070ti in shader count.
@wikingkrig5801 Just means that so far the only comparable GPU bin to 3000 series is the RTX 4090. They're both xx102 GPUs with a slight chop. Everything else's binning scheme is upselling, so there's less value.
Just look at the gap between the RTX 3090 and RTX 4090, then compare that to everything else. They're upselling the 40xx GPUs to create a 30-40% gap (about) compared to the like 70% gap when its a 1:1 comparison to the RTX 3000's binning scheme.
Where you are saying it' s not a 4k card, do you mean native 4k? Because players are going to use DLSS with this card so it will use an internal resolution of 1080 -> 1440.
Or do you take in account that players are going to use DLSS even at 1440 ? Thanks
Great video !! I appreciate your prospective even with my experience of 9 years with PC building
NVidia needs to fix their prices on their RTX cards:
4090 $999 -24GB VRAM
4080Ti $899 -24GB VRAM version
4080 $799 -16GB VRAM
4070Ti $699 -16GB VRAM version
4070 $599 -16GB VRAM version
4060Ti $499 -12GB VRAM version
4060 $399 -12GB VRAM version
4050Ti $299 -12GB VRAM version
4050 $199 - 8GB VRAM version
If they still want a huge profit margin flagship GPU, for people willing to pay for the very best, they could release a new RTX4090Ti / titan with 48GB VRAM, display port 2.1 & PCIe5 for something between $1,500 and $2,000.
This pricing would be consistent with the previous pricing, even taking into account the cost of living inflation.
They should not charge over $200 for ANY GPU with 8GB VRAM.
The 4090 price is actually ok imo - though it could have 48GB ram...
It's not what they are charging that annoys me, the market will fix that eventually. It is the loooooooooooong wait while they slowly dribble out the mid tier cards.
At this rate it's going to be almost 12 months after the 4090 release befroe we get a 4060. I can only assume they are trying to stretch it out so they can hold off on the 50 series to extract maximum profit from this generation.
@@rkan2 In what fucking world is the 4090 priced well? Are you 13 and have no idea how things were priced in the past or what?
@@Adam_Lynnthey stretch it out to “force” people to buy more performance than they want. People get fed up w/ the wait and pay more money then they wanted to.
I agree , apart from the 4090 , its the top tier
At least it's got 12 gigs! I'd still go 7900xtx for value top end or 6950xt for bang for buck.
So should this be 4060 or 4060Ti. And 4070Ti should 4070
Hey nice video man, can you please do some videos with more emphasis on the technology. Talking about cache, ddr5, pcie, interconnect and architecture.
@Level1Techs why did you remove the option to save in a playlist ? its just a playlist
This is the most lowkey, scathing review I've seen! I actually love it! My first GPU I "splurged" and bought a $700 used card....now that tier cards are ~$2000.....wut!? This is stupid!
I’m literally still stuck on a 2070 super mini, because there was nothing on shelves when I needed one and I refuse to pay these ridiculous prices for these gpus. If I end up having to spend a lot of money, I’m going amd just to spite nvidia, plus higher gb capacity doesn’t hurt.
The 7800XT is looking quite enticing from the leaks I've seen.
Hello, I'm new to your channel.
My takeaway from the 4070 is that the name is wrong and misleading, and it's priced too high. The 4070 is almost certainly an upscaled 4060ti. If we were making a comparison of the 4060ti to the 3080, it'd be a much more different tone discussion I think.
Also, it's priced a bit too high, in context, I think. Getting '3080 performance' for $100 less sounds like a good deal, until you realize that the 4070 should by rights be getting above 3080 performance. If the 4070 was comfortably b eating the 3080 by 10-15% at $600, I think a lot more people would be interested. But getting only 90% of the 3080's performance for that price doesn't feel as great. If this card was priced at $550 or $500 though, it'd also be a very different story.
If this card was priced at $500, and you could directly compare it to the 3070, I think a lot of folks would be singing its praises.
actually not surprising at all that the 4070 stacks up bad against the 3080: the good showing of the 3070 against the 2080 comes from the fact that they were based on the same class of chip TU104 vs GA104, both with a 256bit memory-bus. the 4070 vs the 3080 is comparing a 320bit GA102 vs a 192bit AD104. A fair comparison would be a 3080 vs a maybe cut down version of the AD103. But of course NV pricing makes that moot.
What about increase cache on this new gen? How much does that cost them along with improvement on the PCB and others factors to handle those higher frequencies and voltage on that small size factor (discount cooler size)...
I am ignorant when it comes to computers I am researching and learning as much as I can but a year ago I went into Walmart to buy a playstation 5 because I wanted an all-in-one 4K device, And I let the sales guy talk me into buying a computer because it does more, Well it came with an RTX3060 and because I didn't know any better I thought OK it will display in 4K Wasn't until later I realized that just because it can doesn't mean it should I want to upgrade, I'm disappointed that I spent a few $100 more on something that won't display in 4K, Is the RTX3080 a reasonable choice or should I save and maybe splurge on A 3090? thanks in advanced for any advice and sorry I'm such a noob
I think you've nailed Nvidia's strategy. They are going to look at the GPU as a 'good enough' platform to run 'crutch' (sorry, 'value added') software. Frame generation and supposed AI derived image map compression are just the start. AMD are going to be forced to either spend a lot more on software development or they are going to have to deliver significantly higher value in silicon. As a side suggestion take a look at the RX6800XTwith it's 16GB of VRAM . I think it's between the same performance of a 3080TI and the 3080 and currently they are going for fire sale prices starting at $510.
RTX alleged "4070"=4060 that cost $600 USD
RX 7900XT=RX 7800 that cost $900
RX 7900XTX=RX 7800XT we supposed to get, and it cost over $1000 in hamburger
That works out to an even universal 50% price across across all of the cards. Check it. Check its specifications, speed, and the math, it is literally a 50% price gouge across every single GPU this generation, and both of the major scummy corpos did the same renaming of shit to hoping we didn't notice what they just did.
Do not buy trash from either of these brands until they lower prices. Nobody's starving to death at the AMD or nVidia corporate boardroom. Sell your stock too since clearly people aren't going to put up with this and their sales already is down drastically.
I would have build a completely new system by now but I’m hanging on to my 2070 super for as long as I have to. I don’t want to feel ripped off when upgrading.
you can just wait for new intel/amd next gen cpus. Intel's new platform is something to wait for.
i have a 4070 ti came from 3050 and the 4070 ti is great but yes it was a little to much 900 usd
but it is incredible
You have to factor in inflation, just like food in restaurants, the prices have gone up, but portions are reduced. Anyway we have to consider the other silicon present in the 4070 vs 3080 and we have to also consider that drivers will take some time to mature and games will take time to optimize.
17:11 Yeah, because the 60-class always competed with (and often even beat) the previous-gen 80-class.
17:30 "Not a lot of people pointed it out?" Bruh. A LOT of people pointed it out! It's one of the reasons why this card isn't selling too well.
18:19 _"We'll really lean into our frame generation technology"._ You can't use frame gen with VSync. You need a G-Sync capable monitor. And the game has to SUPPORT it, it doesn't work for all games, the game developers have to add motion vectors to the final rendered image so that it can work. And some games that DO support it have some really horrible ghosting issues. It's not the magic bullet that Nvidia wants you think it is.
FYI, The XFX Merc 310 series of 7900's are all 2-slot in the "team red" camp. Super long cards though. Would definitely have to check your case ahead of time.
I owned one up until today! They are indeed absolutely massive
I was going to wait for the 4070 but after the price & performance came out I decided to get the RX6800 instead for just $400 and that's counting tax and everything my budget was $500 and the RX6800 beat everything at that price and so far it's been able to play everything at ultrawide 1440 easy so I'm happy for a bit.
I got one also very happy with it
Nope. I'll take an 8-pin power added, shunt modded RTX A4000. Thanks for making your last gen more attractive than the new gen Nvidia!
Oook. Have fun.
Nvidia did that on purpose to dupe People like you. Thanks to you and Nvidia didn't have to drop prices on their older cards which they had way too many of because they weren't selling as they were overpriced... Stop pretending you were part of the solution when you were really part of the problem...
That's the goal, really. They want the oversupply of 3000 gen to sell. If you are looking for the previous gen, just buy a used one if it's in good condition just so you can give nvidia the middle finger.
EVGA dipping out makes a little more sense as time goes by
Makes a lot more sense lol
This RTX 4070 is double bad for the gamers: 1. Lower performance than the 3080. 2. Higher price than the RTX 3070.
I'm actually glad someone in the comments gets this. It's frightening how people, with all the information that's been available on video reviews and benchmarks, still think that if this thing costed $100 less everything would be fine.
Wouldn't give Nvidia a penny - and haven't done in over 6 years.
I just got a 4070 and I'm happy. Upgraded from an RX580 8gb. I was thinking I was going to have to buy a new PSU, but basically getting a 3080 for much less power means it's a straightforward upgrade. 1440p only for me, don't care about 4k. Just want RTX features for old game remasters/mods. This basically fit the bill for me.
"There's a sucker born every minute" never been truer. Nvidia is laughing all the way to the bank.
Have a 4070 as well and am very happy. Prices are what they are. You can complain or pay up if you want to upgrade. Prices aren’t coming down. They will cut back production to keep prices higher.
@@zdspider6778 Yeah, well, that's just your opinion, man.
@@Bob_Smith19 That's not true, I went with the competition for example. Intel a770 16GB. You wasted your money driving prices up, there were other options and you could have saved a lot of money lol.
@@jordanm2984 It might be just his opinion, but he wasn't wrong. If you bought the 4070 Then you're definitely a sucker lol.
The 4070 is in such a weird space at $599. Even if the card released with 16gb instead of 12gb there's the 6800XT for around $550-$580 which offers similar levels of raster performance while trading off DLSS 3 (though FSR3 may make that a mute point), RT performance and power efficiency
The 6950XT can also be regularly found for $599 with a free game up to around $640 for fancier models. This net you noticably greater raster performance, competitive enough RT performance, but consumes way power power.
The ideal 4070 would of been 16gb, higher memory bus width to scale better at 4k and around $550 (any lower seems impossible with Nvidia tax in mind)
Moot point not mute.
@@Jsteeeez you're correct, my mistake
6950 is old generation card with huge power consumption and without mamy modern features. Bad choice for modern computer.
AMD sucks, stop pretending average framerates matter when 1% dips are horrible. On top of all the other missing features...
@@Wobbothe3rd those missing features don't matter if you're just gaming. I assume you mean productivity features? If that's the case then there's no point in even bringing AMD to the discussion, NVIDIA is the default to to. In terms of gaming there's definitely a place for AMD
I've had more NVIDIA cards in my lifetime than AMD cards and I haven't noticed any issues. You're greatly exaggerating the 1% drops
In my view it would make much more sense spec and performance wise if the MSRP of the 4080 16 would be $799, the 4070ti $599, the 4070 $499, the 4060ti $399 and the 4060 $299. That is why I decided to pass on the whole 40 series until they adjust their prices but I do not see that happen any time soon. I am not crazy or desperate enough for a GPU for the price they want me to pay for it.
It's not just prices, it's the performance uplift from previous gen. It seems they shifted the whole tier lower. Making the gap from 4090 very far.
Yeah absolutely, I think your suggested pricing is what I would have expected based on previous generations, and given the performance vs 30-series.
It is a beautiful card in many ways, power efficient, small (fits in smaller chasis), a strong performance in many ways. But it is overpriced for sure, even adjusting for inflation/higher die-prices, and it is the 4060ti renamned. At a better price point this card can be insane, but Nvidia is always pushing the limit for what they can charge, feeling out their customers. I'm just not sure if we will ever see prices come down fully to what they were before the sillicon-shortage, AMD is a little better than Nvidia, but they got shareholders as well, and Intel is working on their battlemage that can have an disruptive effect if succesful (or they just join the overpriced sillicon wave when they are established, and we get a tri-poly.
It is a decent card, ideally it would have been 500 euro's msrp. Inflation is rampant however so 550 would have been a reasonable msrp, this would mean most cards will cost around 550-600 euro's which is fine. The msrp price is just too high resulting in most rtx 4070 cards costing just below 700 euro's which is insane. Performance per watt is insanely good though.
Its better than a 3080 for power draw, effeciency, size, dlss 3 and ac1 enc. Great card for SFF builds over a 3080.
Would this be a good upgrade from a 2070 super for 1080p gaming?
I'm just curious. I'm deciding between the 4070 or 4070 ti
I am building a new pc for the first time in a while. I already have a geforce 750ti, but I can get current for $600. The geforce 4k offers many benefits beyond gaming performance that is difficult or impossible to achieve via other methods. The 750ti really does perform well enough for my gaming needs, though I am sure that the 4070 will perform better. The other large advantage is that the 4070 has 1/2 to 1/3 the idle power draw of the 750ti.
I have also been playing with stable diffusion, and some of the interesting things in that game require 11.3GB of ram minimum. So the 12GB of ram on the 4070 qualifies to let me experiment with those systems. Also at the top end, the 4090 is twice as fast as the 3090 for stable diffusion, hopefully that speed rolls over to the 4070.
In reality, most of the time I am concerned about the power draw at idle, and periodically if it meets the minimum requirements for stable diffusion. If it were twice as fast or not is not a significant concern.
For me checking total memory bandwidth was a nice way to tell if a GPU was fast, people always have ignore this and companies always took the advantage and hide it on their bus/clock speeds as most wouldn't even understand how to translate to memory performance...Now finally people ask themselves why only has 512GB/s been a 70-Class GPU and the cache dies explain the cut in performance but at the end of all things they aren't even cutting prices with the money they save using lower speed memory. Worst is they call it theatrical speed now so we went from hiding the information to giving misleading numbers of current VRAM performance.
RTX 3080 Laptop GPU had 16 GB VRAM and the A4000 had 16 GB VRAM (RTX 3070/TI performance) AMD 16 GB cards are looking much better option for the price.
The mobile 3080 mobile getting 16GB is such an insult to the desktop version. I love that it exists, but it really shows that they could have done it on desktop, and chose not to.
@@DigitalJedi same with 980 mobile it came with 8gb in 2014 when the desktop was 4gb. 9 years later cards worth over 5-600 still coming with 8gb is pathetic.
I have a 2016 Clevo that could take one of those cards. I would have bought one to upgrade from 2x 1080s (SLI being dead) if the price had ever dropped below $2000AU
My 700$ 3090 from last summer still feels like a decent deal.
If people keep buying them, Nvidia would be stupid to not sell them.
When the first Titan was released for 1000, people were openly mocking them. Now they pay more even for lower than the top tier. Far more.
Why shouldn't Nvidia ask for the amounts they ask?
If AMD release similar performing GPUs, including ray tracing, and consume at most the same power, then Nvidia will change. Not before.
This gen has really just been DOA. Hope the next one is better because if it’s not I will just keep waiting til we finally get a good deal with major gains. Man the 10-Series cards were good looking back.
It would be interesting to compare gaming gpus, if there would be games that are worth having a 600 to 1000 $ GPU...
But for factorio, deep rock galactic and so on... You don't need a lot of money these days to have fun, it's actualy bad if you overspent it.
i have a 144hz 1080p panel. what card do i need to drive it?
It seems that all of NVidia's engineering effort has gone into product segmentation rather than product features. My guess is that the extra cache allows the card to compensate for the reduced memory bandwidth. That would make this an amazing 60-class card. This is because people doing professional work on these cards likely have a different pattern of memory access and thus would be hobbled by the performance. Which is what NVidia wants so as to push people into a professional (read: higher-cost) card.
Wtf are you talking about!? Are you suggesting Nvidia isn't offering any new features!? Are you nuts!?
Why are you the only one voicing this? it feels so obvous. really appreciate your thinking on this
I live In Canada and most 4070 are $800 plus 14% taxes(over $900),the high prices hurts more
Spot on...as usual...Thanks
that's the 40 series in the nutshell; legitimately excellent and highly desirable hardware, spoiled by pricing/branding overreach.
I really struggle to understand this year's line up as well.
I think the 4070 looks really nice for a mini-itx system but if I'm looking at a full atx system I don't think the landscape looks good with better options on the market.
Looks plastic and is a blower design which has failed millions of times yet they still try to milead you into buying a blower card and pay 600 for a 300 card. No thanks.
@@Hawlkeye-e9p This isn't a blower card, and blowers have been very reliable in my experience. I've had a Titan XP (GTX 1090), 5700XT, 3080 10GB Turbo, and now finally have a 7900XTX that isn't a blower because they don't make them.
The 4070 should be a 4060ti and its tough competition with AMD offering lot's more VRAM for a lot lower cost, you are starting to see more gamers move to team red. The 6800 in the video was smashing the 4070 in the bench tests which is a last gen GPU! I'm now looking at pasting on my RTX 3070 to my son for 1080p gaming and I'll look at the RX 7900XT or 7900 XTX for 3440 x 1440 gaming that's the same price as the 4070 but with more than double of VRAM.
They just shifted the performance category up one but not the actual performance, so the 70, 80, and 90 series stepped back one tier, and I am so reluctant to purchase because of this, it is the same as a guy selling you a $8 water bottle (that cost $0.25) in a line you can't get out of, it's really low scummy behavior. My minimum upgrade tier was the 70 series, which is now the 4080 series, and it's hard to justify slapping an extra $500 onto a card just to stay in the performance slot you want to. I may end up throwing it at AMD just because I want a 'get me by for a few years' card just to skip this insanity.
So youre saying its a 4060 and should retail at $350. Got it.
Still a bit much. A 60-class (which the "4070" absolutely is), should not be more than $249-299, and I'm being generous. Ideally, $199-249.
@@zdspider6778 not that I don’t want you to be right, but I think you’re underestimating the Bill of Materials on this card.
A) at a price of 200-300, relative to the real world price of 600, means they are making more than 100 or 200% profit on these cards. I find that a little difficult to believe.
B) between GamersNexus video about EVGA and (rumors from) Moore’s law is dead, card manufacturers are struggling to make money on some of these cards.
Again, I’d definitely *like* to see this be 60-class at a 200 price point. But I just don’t think that’s possible even if NVIDIA weren’t trying to grab all the money they could.
@@levygaming3133 $350-379
@@levygaming3133 They've been making GPUs for 30 years. You would think with the experience they have they would be like $80-150 by now.
Something is definitely off with the GPU market. I think crypto fucked it up. And now that it's over (officially deemed _"useless to society"_ by the CTO of Nvidia after making money hand-over-fist from the cryptobros), now the AI craze is fixing to replace it.
@@levygaming3133 AIBs are struggling to make money on cards because Nvidia is gouging them. Nvidia has huge profit margins, as they show in every financial report!
So it’s basically a 60 card, funny Nvidia would have likely named it 4070Ti if people didn’t call out the 12GB 4080.
Love the videos Wendel! Most honest and trustworthy reviewer out there IMO. Keep up the great work!
EVGA's statemen by leaving this product segment is huge.
3080 is a really odd place to be right now. The VRAM is causing problems at 4k even though the card itself is capable in power. Instead of the 4070 surpassing the 3080 at 4k it now has sufficient VRAM but reduced performance. The price has jumped up so you're paying the same amount of money for roughly the same performance. Upsetting if this becomes normal.
If it becomes normal, it will be because people didn't buy the Intel A770 16GB when they had the chance...
Is low bus bandwidth gimping the perf more than it should in some cases?
I't obvious Nvidia wants to gimp this card and that is their choice to be honest. If you want to game at 4k they can charge you extra to be able to do it.
Bottom line they are dragging their feet with the mid tier card releases to extract every last dime from consumers and it stinks. Just release the bloody 4060 already and let people buy a reasonably priced card.
I think the release of 4060 is just to make the prices of last gen more desirable. It's because of oversupply due to mining.
Yeah, the 4070 Ti should have been the 4070 at 600$ or less... This 4070 is just a xx60 class card with a up-branded sticker and inflated price. This should have been 300-400$ performance.
This guy thinks borderlands isn't optimized better for radeon cards is sad. Literally it's been always shown borderlands has always run more efficiently on there cards than nvidas
The 2070 was about parity with the 1080, perhaps you didn't know. I expect you would though.
Quick life hack for people wanting to get any 40's series card. Look at your bestbuys near you because whenever someone does return the card they mark down the open box cards by $130. I got my 4070 for $479 but with tax it was closer to $518ish. They are doing it with all the 40s series cards i saw a 4070ti go for $670 at one point. Disclaimer however they do not test the cards they take what the customer says at face value. But do offer a 15 day return period for all open box items.
i really wish it wasn't such a pain to find a good upgrade path from my now somewhat aging 1660 super, i'd like something that has full av1 encoding capabilities and isn't going to pull a metric boat load of power but will still play games like wow and other similar titles at 1080p and 1440p at max settings at least 120+ refresh rate on a suitable monitor
I game at 1440p and went from 1080 TI to a 3070. I held on to my 1080 Ti, and am glad I did. My next card will have at least 16gb of Vram.
Finally I'm starting to see the big names talk about this, when it has been apparent since before any of the cards were even available for sale.
The 4070 isn't for people that managed to get a 3080, it's for people that had a rx 6600 they bought in 2021 for wayyyy too much because their gpu burned down.
And for those of us who hadn't upgraded since our 10x0 or even 9x0 GPUs due to bidding up of street prices by miners.
I got a 4070FE (upgrading from a 970) on launch day in the UK, and don't regret it. It has a warranty, unlike used cards. The price is on line with its performance, compared with other cards available new with warranties, both with Nvidia GPUs *and* AMD GPUs above and below it. Yes, faster cards are available, but there's always something better if you're prepared to open your wallet wider: I wasn't. I also like the sub-200W power consumption which has real economic benefits in terms of running costs, compared with 330W monsters.
I've even been pleasantly surprised by its performance at 4K: even paired with my 8 year old 5820K at stock speeds, it's able to run everything I've thrown at it with high/ultra settings and 50-70+ FPS. I think Control is the only game that needed DLSS to hit that frame rate.
If I was a competitive multiplayer gamer, sure, this card would be inadequate at 4K. But for those of us single players - especially playing older titles - it's *fine*. Whilst some focus on AAA titles ported from consoles assuming 12-16GB of VRAM, I think the Steam Deck has a real chance of becoming another target platform. Doom Eternal shows how well good-looking games can run, with a bit of care from their developers. Boycott sloppy ports, at least until they're fixed to run reasonably well on hardware people actually own!
@@cowbutt6 yeah, it's a big upgrade to be sure, the price is obviously meh, and nobody can dispute that, but it's big upgrade coming out of the dark times.
The 3080 12GB is the Way to go if the Price is right honestly. Even 3% better than the normal 3080 and the same GB. On 4K its probably 15% better at Times.
Or the AMD Side of corse.
Or a factory OCd 4070 if its the same price as msrp, the factory OC should offset the 1-3% performance difference
@@clayman71497 No. The 4070 is worse in every Regard than the 3080 12 GB as far as i can tell. A OC Version cant compete with it. Sorry.
So, I should stay with my RTX 3070 Ti, and forgo the RTX 4070??
Might not be better at least at raster performance. I'd expect the 4070 to be better for Ray tracing though. Not to mention the 30 series doesn't have access to frame generation of DLSS 3 finally also more power efficient.
Ngreedia touts Frame Generation (DLSS 3) as it’s new fps measuring tool and Ray Tracing yet delivers sub optimal vram and GPU bus width and a massive price hike to justify the new 40-series lineup …… wrong 3 for 3 imo. Nvidias 4090 is a monster GPU with a more ….. acceptable price ….. the average gamer GPU is being offered nothing but regression in every way …. Performance, value, affordability etc.
Bought a 7900xt hellhound yesterday.
Was waiting a while for the 4070, but the price difference is not big enough.
The 4070ti costs about the same but is even worse value with its paltry 12gigs..
If the 4070 was 500 euros I would have bought it.
As for AMD , I was tired waiting for lower tier cards who would have less memory anyway and I fear the price difference won't be dramatic.
Nah, 20 gigs will last me a looong time..
The 4070 beats the 7900xt in RT performance easily. Even the XTX barely matches a 3080 in RT.
@@Wobbothe3rd Forget it, RT performance is equal to a 4070TI, with exeptions.
Check hardware unboxed, in 50 games even with RT enabled games they were only a few percent apart, only in a few games there were massive outliers , going both ways.
Every Unreal 5 based game with HW raytracing runs equally fast on this card vs a 4070TI.
Exept this thing has 8 gigs more vram instead of the paltry 12gigs wich is already mid range at best. Good luck in a year or two, the card will be unusable , just like 3070 owners are bleating vs the 6800.
I come before you in shame, for I have purchased a RTX 4070. What's worse, is I already had a 3080 12gb which is faster. I was just sick of the heat! I underestimated how much heat a 360w card would produce, the thing turned my PC into a space heater! Now when gaming the temperature in the room doesn't feel like it changes at all. Now I just need to sell my 3080 12gb lol
The 4070 is faster than the 3080 in RT.
Does anyone know when/if arc pro cards will come out? I need to upgrade some discrete GPU for my VMs and I don't need lot of power... So an A40 would be great.
I'm pretty disappointed with my 4070 purchase. I kinda wish I would've went with the 4070ti.