We will be turning this list into a series; there is definitely too many cars that had the same potential! Stay tuned for the rest of the videos of the series!
We will be turning this list into a series; there is definitely too many cars that had the same potential! Stay tuned for the rest of the videos of the series!
Right on! I grew up in the 80's and even as a kid I thought it was the biggest POS on the road. It really was and always will be an embarrassment to Cadillac. Fieros were also POS's but at least they tried to do something unique with that car.
had an '88, blew up 4 banger, installed a chevy 4.3 v6 with turbo intercooled and camaro 6 speed, man that thing ran. hit 170mph in montana (lived in CDA idaho) when federal speed limit was dropped, hit 170 mph and belly started dragging the ground, spooooky shite, wedge shape made it squat lower the faster it went. had about 470 hp at the wheels.
I loved the Conquest TSI and had a picture of one in the front cover of my Trapper Keeper in high school 🤣😆. A friend had a white one with white Enkei mesh wheels. 🤤
My dad bought the AMC Eagle station wagon. What an excellent car! At the time I jokingly said that a car company screwed up and made a really great car for a change. Then, the series was cancelled and I was convinced that the car was too good and they had to yank it off the market. My dad had the AMC Eagle Wagon for 21 years with no issues, just doing maintenance. It didn't rust, and the drivetrain was fine at 165,000 miles.
I freaking love the AMC Eagle! I watched the other video on this channel that talked about in depth and I was hooked! I plan on finding one and restoring it when I'm financially ready!
I owned 1987 Chrysler TSI Conquest Turbo. Red, black leather interior 5 speed manual transmission. I miss that car so badly, I regret trading it away. It was so advanced with technology. It was fast and rode smoothly, hugged the curves with excellent grip. A very good looking car too, I always got compliments from people about it, beautiful curb appeal. Actually, my car looked just like the red Mitsubishi Starion, in this video.
mine was white with red interior. had the upgraded 9 in. wheels in back with 8 in. in front, ran 235/30/16 tires in front and 265/30/16 in back, pirrelli tires, cornered like it was sitting on rails.
In the early 90's I looked at a few Calalier's. So many were more fibreglass than metal by that time. I ended up getting a Ford Orion instead. Based on the Escort. Well built but not very reliable.
The Cadillac Cimmaron shouldn't be on this list because Cadillac just took off Chevy badge and put a Cadillac one on. The Cimmaron was weak, didn't have any difference with the Chevy cavalier and then on top of all this Cadillac had the audacity to charge twice of a Cavalier. Even though later generation got improvements; still the reputation got soiled. Remember you only get 1 chance for a first impression. The big 3 knew small cars were gaining ground; unfortunately they were too lazy to do something about it.
Cimmeron was WAY worst than a cavalier. All the same driveline and suspension pieces, all the overcomplication and troubles that came with early climate control systems and other items Cadillac stuffed into them, stuffed into the same compact space making them a real nightmare to work on, plus the extra weight.
I worked at a Mitsubishi dealership in the mid to late 80's. There were Rumors had the Starion (pronounced "Star" E on) was going to have a V-8 by the 1990 model year! Now that would have been amazing to see!!
I loved the Conquest TSI and had a picture of it in the front cover of my Trapper Keeper in high school 🤣😆. A friend had a white one with white Enkei mesh wheels. 🤤
@@peterdarr383 Actually, AMC Eagles were available with the AMC 258 I-6 or the Chevy Iron Duke (2.5L). Ford did not have a 2.5L engine during those years, they had the 2.3L SOHC. The V8 is clearly an engine swap car in any case.
The GNX was my dream car but getting one was next to impossible. Had to settle for a white 87 Monte Carlo SS Aerocoupe, later would get another in black. Ive also owned later a Fiero and Cavalier Z24 and Conquest tsi. If i were rich enough to have a massive car collection it wouldn't be a bunch of exotics. It would be all the 30+ cars I've owned over my life and and modify them all to my liking and purchase all the cars i wanted but have yet to get.
Cimeron? Seriously? Of course everybody shunned it. It WAS a rebadged Cavalier, complete with Cavalier build quality. It broke no new ground whatsoever. If you wanted a fwd GM on the list, you could've at least gone with the Buick Reatta. It actually did break new ground in luxury.
I wasn't around during the time these cars were produced and on the road. But after watching this video, the Sterion was definitely my favorite! Might be because I really like Asian Import cars. Hehe
clicked for the Starion / Conquest.. still want one to this day.. i heard there was a rare few that were made with the same twin stick shifter that the 1981-1984 (mitsubishi made) plymouth champ and dodge colt had... but with a 2.6 liter 4 cylinder.. i had two of those dodge colts, even with the little, i think 1.4, liter engine only making about 70 horsepower, you could smoke the tires even in 3rd, OR use the economy gears and get like 50 miles per gallon (that's not something i read, i actually did both) would have been more impressive with a 2.6 liter, especially if it was turbo, and 5 speed (plus twin stick, for a somewhat 10 speed effect) no idea why they stopped using that twin shifter... but then it probably confused to many people. heck it's rare to find a manual transmission now, nevermind two shifters.
We actually owned a JA Starion which had a 2 litre engine it was a great little car but its biggest downfall was its clutch failures which were sorted out for the JB model.
bad thing about the 2.6, was a truck engine and had a weak bottom end when boosted. great cars though, had an '88 and when the 2.6 blew, installed a 4.3 chevy v6 with turbos and intercooled and kicked it up close to 500 hp at the wheels
It's always fun to look back at cars that had so much potential but were cut short. These could have been the cars that everyone talked about for years. .
The Starion was Mitsubishi's answer to the Supra and the Z cars that were dominating the market. My friend had one and that car handled SOO nicely and was FUN to drive! I really dug the looks and think it could be relevant even today!
Back in high school in the late 80's/early 90's, a friend had a black on black '89 Chrysler Conquest TSI widebody. After a few power upgrades and a little dyno tuning that thing was awesome. It looked menacing.
In HS, My Girlfriend Megan who is just under 5 foot tall,, purchased a Bright Red 1989 Mitsubishi Starion GSR-VR wide-body... She drove back and fourth to school and she said every time she hit the gas hard it scared the sheet outta Her... She said once an officer stopped her for speeding but when he realized she was actually shakin up from driving it, He let her off with a warning...I had to agree the Starion was quick and it moved like Robocop was behind the wheel... 😁🤣🤣💜💜💜♥️♥️♥️
had one, loved it, wish i never sold it, had the extremely rare borg warner 5 speed manual trans, 90% had autos. only downfall of these was the single speed transfer case, high range only.
Thank you for this video. I loved my Pontiac Fiero. While my opposition may have beat me in top speed, I beat many vehicles off the light - including Porsche 911. I remember the fun I used to have fishtailing down the road when leaving a car wash.
The Buick G/N. My car, i have owned 3 of these .two 85s' and an 86'. The last one i drag raced. Tricked it out too much and made it too radical for daily street driving. I wish id kept it.
Concerning the Fiero, I think you really missed an important fact concerning 'the improved handling' in the later years which you just glossed over. GM hired Lotus Engineering (yeah - Lotus Sports Cars/F1 Racing engineering fame!) to sort out/improve/fix the handling of the Fiero in the last couple model years of its production. This car was truly poised to take on the world had a 2nd generation been authorized. GM shortsidedness strikes again.
@@daleemrick9816 no, my brother in law was a gm mechanic when the zr1 came out, thats how i know the engine was a lotus built one.yamaha built the ford taurus sho engine.
Wish these videos would get their facts and AI pronunciations right. Original Seville was a top-of-the-line model, not a 'more affordable' one. It's pronounced STAR-e-on, not STARE -e-on, and the Porsche is called a nine four four or nine 44, not.a 900 44.
I had a red 1987 Conquest.. back in 1994. It was the first car I ever bought.... I no long have it, but to this day it was my favorite car Ive ever owned.
I still own the 1989 Conquest TSI the American name. BTW, Starion is the Japanese pronunciation of Stallion. Sad those videos are not stock models. The dash was analog and there were no LED lights. This is the 80's. I know, I have one. and original owner. She is garaged now due to parts problems the cash to fix it but I still turn over the engine every month.
Neighbor's son totaled their new black Conquest TSI back in the 80s. Can remember seeing him rip around the corners and thought to myself - "now that is a sweet car I'd love to own one day!"
Love my 88 Fiero. Swapped the old 92hp duke with a 3900 vvt lz9. Has some work done to it and making just under 300hp. Not a lot in todays numbers but such a blast to drive.
Fierro, I remember never seeing one that wasn't damaged. It became a game among everyone I knew to point out any fierro that didn't have body damage. Always figured they were made cheap and handled poorly.
Actually, they handle rather well, even by today's standards where everything feels like a go-kart. But you are spot-on with the observation of poor quality. Even back when the cars were new, you had to be careful with the interior plastics - especially if you were swapping out a radio. It was easy to snap the plastic bits, crack pieces, or totally bore out the plastic holes in the dash meant to accept metal screws. You had to be very delicate. Now that the earliest Fiero is 40 years old, the plastic components are that much more brittle. The door panels and the bumpers used a flexible plastic, and after all of these years, you can usually still bend those components without harm. The hood, roof panel, and decklid, which many mistake for fiberglass, are not flexible - they break just as easy as a fiberglass panel would. Front fenders and lower rear skirts below the belt line are yet another type of plastic - the kind that cracks nicely when hit hard. The good news is all of the panels can be repaired rather easily. I'm the second owner of a Fiero I drove when it was still very new, and I was just a young guy.
I would loved to have owned a AMC Eagle. I also do miss my Pontiac's for me specifically My 86 Sunbird, 88 and 92 Grand AM's and 99 Grand PRIX. But the Fiero was a nice car. Another car not mentioned was the the Chevrolet Beretta.
My Grandmother had an AMC Eagle that she bought new in 1986. 400K miles !!!!!!! And was still running when she passed away in 2019. Damn good car. -- Also, Who the heck actually misses a Caddy ??
The Cimarron was such a great car. Its Opel platform did really well in Europe and competed well there against rivals from BMW and VW. Adding a V6 seemed to give it the power Americans wanted, yet it still flopped. Same with the Catera 15 years later. Also same with the Pontiac G8. All were great sports sedans that just didn’t hit the fancies and whims of the American market I guess
Had a 1986 Conquest TSI Red 5-speed that car was great had offset wheels for handling drove great that was great car 1 wish never traded it in on a new car 😭
which wheels did it have? there were 2 differnt sizes dependinng on model, 7 inch front and 8 inch rear for standards, 8 inch front 9 inch rare for limiteds. mine had 8's and 9's. ran 235/30/16 front and 265/30/16 rear.
I sold Fords in the 80's and drove them all. The Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coup should have been on this list. They were a very fast and fun car to drive, and came in a 5-speed. Classy too. A customer trade in his red Starion for one, and I got to drive it. Loved that thing! A friend owned a black one. And the Taurus SHO with the Yamaha built aluminum block? Thing was a rocket!
I had a Eagle SX4 and loved it. I was going to the mountains to ski back then and the Eagle was great in the snow. And BTW, the Cimeron was a POS, my sister had one for a while and it was a cheap Cad that was falling apart after 6 months.
The way I remember the Fiero is that sales tanked because they became nearly uninsurable. Pontiac gave it a v6 and body kit but the car had terrible handling. By the time the car finally got a great suspension and 5spd, it was already too late
Had a boss who had 3 Starion's over 4 years. 2 of them blew up and the last one which he swapped for a Liberty survived but it was a non-turbo. Had a neighbour who had a Subaru Leone GL4TA. Both the GL4T and GL4TA shouldn't have been axed. They were only made for a couple years. Reason for them being axed was they only needed to produce a limited number for the World Rally Championship 1986-1987. In 1988 it was replaced by the Impreza, Later the Impreza WRX. GL was the trim level (base level), 4 as they were 4x4, T was for the 1.8 Turbo and the A on the end designated Automatic. They also produced the Vortex with the same drive chain and interior but the Vortex had a longer life than the 4 door Leone GL4T.
I’ve watched a few of these types of videos. I’m disappointed my favourite car in my younger years is never in a list. I had a Monza Spyder and loved it. It was a pretty good beaver retriever
Imagine an AMC Eagle wagon with the 190hp 4.0 liter inline six. That would have been awesome to drive right now. It would have challenged the Subaru Outback quite easily.
I had an Eagle, the manual, hydraulic Clutch Assist was a pain and leaky....I overhauled 2 and replaced 3 with factory rebuilds, since there were no new ones available in the mid '90s....
The AMC Eagle suffered from two things: One, it was far ahead of it's time, and two, it was an AMC. I lived in Colorado Springs for 3 years and well-kept Eagles were all over the place. Shame for AMC that their brand died, and the idea took another few decades to become the formula that killed most traditional cars. Now many automakers have stopped making cars at all in favor of jacked-up AWD hatchbacks called crossovers - the new AMC Eagles.
Owned two 1987 Chrysler conquest TSIs beautiful car,very underrated and only problem is I live in New England and didn't have a garage to keep them in during winter and didn't drive them much in the snow they were death traps😂😂😂 on winter road conditions but still had fun and yeah,they were made of fuckin God awful steel the frame and body by the time I crashed one and sold the utta they were so rotted that they couldn't pass inspection!!! I still look for them💯😁but only from FL,AZ,CA,and TX where rust is none-extremely minimal but they're definitely an awesome classic I called them the IROC and 5.0 killers because they're more than capable and I have granted the stangs and maros were most likely stock but then again my black conquest wasn't stock but my red one was,miss those cars!!😢
hahahaha. had an '88, made the mistake one witer( CDA idaho area) of not changing out from summer tires, 265/30/16 to winter tires, 225/70/16 snow tires, and put in the median a couple times that winter on interstate 90 from spokane to CDA. miss that car.
@@GMCOGRE DAMN!!yeah someone told me I should "stud" the tires on mine once and I said huhaha🤌🤣whatta fahhkin idiot as I'm calling triple A and telling insurance company "danm bucks,they just run outta nowhere!!!"got plenty for check but technically car wasn't totalled and owned 3 but #3 was spare parts car so both fenders/hood/grill/radiator and fan/by some miracle intercooler was fine!!!🤣🤣🤣paid my cousins bodyshop to paint it,had enough leftover to buy the girlfriend a vacuum cleaner!!!nah a necklace and dinner I'm not suicidal!!!🤣🤣🤣
@@GMCOGRE great friend!!!saddest part is when we lose them as we grow up!!a lotta people called me a madman w/my conquest TSI's...probably staring at my taillights and popular guys w/lotta friends looked at me differently as I smoked thier boys whose parents bought em stangs n maros but yeah had my crew,we didn't have much/got laughed at a lot but not after I humbly showed em all up!!!"Lmfao dudes n chicks literally WTF is that thing???"btw brotha...didn't keep my turbos stock!!!🤌💯🤣🤣🤣
You know I didn't realize that station wagon 4 by 4 was in production all the way up to 1988. They were rare I lived in Southern California when I was a kid and I would only see one occasionally.
I knew a man that worked on the Cadillac cimeron, all they quality and performance, were taken away by bean counters, he wasnt very happy about finally product, but it did pave the way for caddy front wheel drives in the 90s and on
Fun fact- the mitsubishi Starion was originally supposed to be called the Stallion but due to a misunderstanding when Mitsubishi tried to pronounce “Stallion” it was interpreted by the U.S as “Starion”
Had a 84 Fiero. Seriously a crappily made car but looked cool. Raced mine but frame flex was so bad I had to replace the whole thing with a tubular chassis.
Ahh the Starion ESI-R, aka my ole baby, 88 Conquest TSi - I raided a parts catalog of a company never heard of - HKS ! Adjustable boost valve, mandrel-bent exhaust, PFC Fcon computer add-on (I think), and then we butchered some intercooler and finally a sorta home-made ram air-- that little thing boogied down the 1/4 mile at 13.96 at 101.94, and that was a 100 degree day at the old Englishtown Raceway of NJ. Cooler days she ran better and winter, forget about it, she couldn't lose -- Vette's, IROC's, 5.0's, whatever else was around then- destroyed 'em!
hahahaha. first person in a long time i have heard of that knows "khs". blew my 2.6 up over boosting it so installed chevy 4.3 with camaro 6 speed and just ripped everything alive with it, almost 500hp to the rear wheels.
When you showed the comparison between the Cadillac cimeron and chevy cavalier, i noticed a pic of the earlier two headlight cavalier was used. a pic of the 4 headlight cavalier would have made a better example of why it was just a cavalier with leather interior. The 4 headlight cars were almost identical to the Cadillac version. But then again same can be said for a escalade and a taho or Yukon.
I'm not a fiero guy but an MR2 guy. However, I would love to see a Fiero with GM's 3.6 V6 from the Camaro, rated at 335hp and high revs, mated to a 6spd. I think out of all of GM's modern engines, this is probably the best overall fit for the size and style of the Fiero. GM's turbo 2.0 4 cylinder would also make a good fit but the V6 sounds better and revs higher
@@GMCOGRE IF I was going to do a V8 I'd go with an LS. Weight is an issue for me. However, I don't think a V8 fits the character of the Fiero. I really believe the 335hp 3.6 V6 from the Camaro would be a better fit for the Fiero.
The AMC Eagle was so far ahead of its time. I have no doubt that if it was produced today it would be a great seller. I think it would be a big hit for new fathers. You know the ones. The new dad's that have a car or truck that has no practicality at all. So this would fill that void of having to get rid of their dream car. My Mom had a brown wagon model. I think it was an 82, but don't hold me to that. I was on 5 I think when she b6it. I just remember me & my brother sitting in the bed of a pickup in the showroom watching The Flintstones.
Cooling issues/ reliability killed the Fiero , cooling lines from front to back. The Mitsubishi was super cool, needed an Evo engine. I sure liked the last OG style 81 Trans Am turbo, white, love to do 5.3 forged turbo swap in one of those with a 5 speed manual , Eaton posi , 3.73’s. That 301 was weak and turbo tech was too. Cimeron was the lamest/ugliest Caddy ever. The Pontiac GTA was a cool ride too , black.
That 2.5 Liter cylinder engine was a GM component, exaclty half of the infamaous DZ 302 used in 69 Z28 Camaro. Go look up the bore and stroke, identical.
My wife and I were teen parents in the '80's and she wanted a Conquest. I hated the tyle but its grown on me. I really hated the Knight Rider inspired voice messages. Open the door and it said "Door Is Open." Duh. I talked her into a Cherokee. Since then ive been a work truck/street sport bike guy. But at 63 i am digging my 'new' 2001 Eclpse Spyder GT with a 5 speed.
The Fiero was interesting, mid engine and plastic body panels. The V6 power didnt compensate much for added weight and the body panels, cooling issues...yeah it had potential but bad press and more money for expected sales volume-smart biz decision to kill it. Same with the Vega story. Sorted out the market was gone. Better to focus on cars in their line up that sold and justified newer, modern generations.
The Mitsubishi Starion was a great car and fun to drive-unlike most Mitsubishi cars it has a more timeless look. I still wish I had one today! It was not as reliable as a Toyota.
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I cannot believe that the Cadillac Cimeron made the list.
I agree. Horrible cars.
We will be turning this list into a series; there is definitely too many cars that had the same potential! Stay tuned for the rest of the videos of the series!
We will be turning this list into a series; there is definitely too many cars that had the same potential! Stay tuned for the rest of the videos of the series!
Agree. Cimeron it was PS back then and still is now.
Right on! I grew up in the 80's and even as a kid I thought it was the biggest POS on the road. It really was and always will be an embarrassment to Cadillac. Fieros were also POS's but at least they tried to do something unique with that car.
My uncle owned a 1989 Chrysler conquest tsi. That's one of my favorite cars. That thing would fly and looked great
Indeed... Sharp looking car. Great idea. My neighbor had one in 1988.
Had one in 89...Man that was an amazing car! Definitely unique.
had an '88, blew up 4 banger, installed a chevy 4.3 v6 with turbo intercooled and camaro 6 speed, man that thing ran. hit 170mph in montana (lived in CDA idaho) when federal speed limit was dropped, hit 170 mph and belly started dragging the ground, spooooky shite, wedge shape made it squat lower the faster it went. had about 470 hp at the wheels.
I loved the Conquest TSI and had a picture of one in the front cover of my Trapper Keeper in high school 🤣😆. A friend had a white one with white Enkei mesh wheels. 🤤
The Grand National definitely should have not been discontinued.
AMEN, AMEN...
Try getting one now. They went up in value big time.
My dad bought the AMC Eagle station wagon. What an excellent car! At the time I jokingly said that a car company screwed up and made a really great car for a change. Then, the series was cancelled and I was convinced that the car was too good and they had to yank it off the market. My dad had the AMC Eagle Wagon for 21 years with no issues, just doing maintenance. It didn't rust, and the drivetrain was fine at 165,000 miles.
The AMC Eagle is actually our favorite from this list! Stay tuned for the rest of the videos of this series!
I freaking love the AMC Eagle! I watched the other video on this channel that talked about in depth and I was hooked! I plan on finding one and restoring it when I'm financially ready!
My Eagle Wagon was equipped with a CB radio,
had one, 258 6cyl with 5 speed borg warner trans, extremely rare as 90% had auto trans. loved it ran great, only issue was single speed transfer case
Fantastic car. You are correct, they made a car to good. Stopped selling it, so people would be forced to spend more money.
That fierro had so much potential....
Yes. Perfect for a "Lamborghini" body kit.
i loved my 87 gt so much fun to drive
They had justFINALLY got it sorted out
you do know chevy SBC fits in them....riiiiight?
it was a fudgepacker car
I owned 1987 Chrysler TSI Conquest Turbo. Red, black leather interior 5 speed manual transmission. I miss that car so badly, I regret trading it away. It was so advanced with technology. It was fast and rode smoothly, hugged the curves with excellent grip. A very good looking car too, I always got compliments from people about it, beautiful curb appeal. Actually, my car looked just like the red Mitsubishi Starion, in this video.
Gun metal blue, 5 speed...It was like a shot off the line! Handled amazing and a great cruiser as well.
mine was white with red interior. had the upgraded 9 in. wheels in back with 8 in. in front, ran 235/30/16 tires in front and 265/30/16 in back, pirrelli tires, cornered like it was sitting on rails.
The Blue and the yellow ones were cool
It looks cool I bet it was fun on a hilly road
I had a red 87 too... best car I ever owned. it really drew attention everywhere I went.
The Cadillac Cimaron was a rebadge Chevy Cavalier. A piece of 💩
FACTS !
A total turd
exactly
In the early 90's I looked at a few Calalier's. So many were more fibreglass than metal by that time. I ended up getting a Ford Orion instead. Based on the Escort. Well built but not very reliable.
The Cadillac Cimmaron shouldn't be on this list because Cadillac just took off Chevy badge and put a Cadillac one on. The Cimmaron was weak, didn't have any difference with the Chevy cavalier and then on top of all this Cadillac had the audacity to charge twice of a Cavalier. Even though later generation got improvements; still the reputation got soiled. Remember you only get 1 chance for a first impression. The big 3 knew small cars were gaining ground; unfortunately they were too lazy to do something about it.
Cimmeron was WAY worst than a cavalier. All the same driveline and suspension pieces, all the overcomplication and troubles that came with early climate control systems and other items Cadillac stuffed into them, stuffed into the same compact space making them a real nightmare to work on, plus the extra weight.
the Z24 was a much better car
So…Chrysler bought AMC to then kill a successful vehicle. They said, “We’ll show the world how we can really build crappy cars!”
A friend's first car was a 4 door AMC Eagle. That thing was ahead of it's time. Great vehicle. Especially for North Dakota.
I worked at a Mitsubishi dealership in the mid to late 80's. There were Rumors had the Starion (pronounced "Star" E on) was going to have a V-8 by the 1990 model year! Now that would have been amazing to see!!
The AI mispronounced names are almost intolerable.
I noticed that as well
Porsche nine hundred and fourty four 😂
Cav-al-ier 🧐🥖🧀
The majority of YT is becoming AI junk.
The videos i make are real people talking.
I loved the Conquest TSI and had a picture of it in the front cover of my Trapper Keeper in high school 🤣😆. A friend had a white one with white Enkei mesh wheels. 🤤
says "5-speed manual" shows automatic shifter. - Cimmarron
Said 2.5 ford - shows a 302 Boss
@@peterdarr383 Actually, AMC Eagles were available with the AMC 258 I-6 or the Chevy Iron Duke (2.5L). Ford did not have a 2.5L engine during those years, they had the 2.3L SOHC. The V8 is clearly an engine swap car in any case.
The GNX was my dream car but getting one was next to impossible. Had to settle for a white 87 Monte Carlo SS Aerocoupe, later would get another in black. Ive also owned later a Fiero and Cavalier Z24 and Conquest tsi. If i were rich enough to have a massive car collection it wouldn't be a bunch of exotics. It would be all the 30+ cars I've owned over my life and and modify them all to my liking and purchase all the cars i wanted but have yet to get.
Cimeron? Seriously? Of course everybody shunned it. It WAS a rebadged Cavalier, complete with Cavalier build quality. It broke no new ground whatsoever. If you wanted a fwd GM on the list, you could've at least gone with the Buick Reatta. It actually did break new ground in luxury.
My neighbor had a Mitsubishi Starion, that was a badass car.
We agree! Please let your neighbor know that their old car was featured on our channel! =)
I wasn't around during the time these cars were produced and on the road. But after watching this video, the Sterion was definitely my favorite! Might be because I really like Asian Import cars. Hehe
had an '88 conquest tsi, was awesome.
the Starion absolutely takes its styling cues from the 944...
clicked for the Starion / Conquest.. still want one to this day.. i heard there was a rare few that were made with the same twin stick shifter that the 1981-1984 (mitsubishi made) plymouth champ and dodge colt had... but with a 2.6 liter 4 cylinder..
i had two of those dodge colts, even with the little, i think 1.4, liter engine only making about 70 horsepower, you could smoke the tires even in 3rd, OR use the economy gears and get like 50 miles per gallon (that's not something i read, i actually did both) would have been more impressive with a 2.6 liter, especially if it was turbo, and 5 speed (plus twin stick, for a somewhat 10 speed effect)
no idea why they stopped using that twin shifter... but then it probably confused to many people. heck it's rare to find a manual transmission now, nevermind two shifters.
We actually owned a JA Starion which had a 2 litre engine it was a great little car but its biggest downfall was its clutch failures which were sorted out for the JB model.
I have a 1988 red conquest tsi 5 speed, sunroof 55k original miles for sale. If you're interested. BTW 15k
@@kosmashionidis here in Australia the ones that come up are usually more than that. Would love one but I just bought a new bike.
bad thing about the 2.6, was a truck engine and had a weak bottom end when boosted. great cars though, had an '88 and when the 2.6 blew, installed a 4.3 chevy v6 with turbos and intercooled and kicked it up close to 500 hp at the wheels
It's always fun to look back at cars that had so much potential but were cut short. These could have been the cars that everyone talked about for years. .
We completely agree! We'll be producing more videos like this so stay tuned!
I agree! I wasn't around to see these cars on the streets, but watching this video made me realize how cars today are just so lame.
Downvoted for computer generated voiceover
Awe do you need a tissue?
What, you dont like "Porsche Nine Hundred and Forty Four?" 🤣
Downvoted your lame comment!
@@dasilvakemosabe2562 i downvoted your down vote. so there
The Starion was Mitsubishi's answer to the Supra and the Z cars that were dominating the market. My friend had one and that car handled SOO nicely and was FUN to drive! I really dug the looks and think it could be relevant even today!
Back in high school in the late 80's/early 90's, a friend had a black on black '89 Chrysler Conquest TSI widebody. After a few power upgrades and a little dyno tuning that thing was awesome. It looked menacing.
I loved the Starion/Conquest twins.
In HS, My Girlfriend Megan who is just under 5 foot tall,, purchased a Bright Red 1989 Mitsubishi Starion GSR-VR wide-body... She drove back and fourth to school and she said every time she hit the gas hard it scared the sheet outta Her... She said once an officer stopped her for speeding but when he realized she was actually shakin up from driving it, He let her off with a warning...I had to agree the Starion was quick and it moved like Robocop was behind the wheel... 😁🤣🤣💜💜💜♥️♥️♥️
One of my friends from work had one of those 4×4 Eagle Wagons. Its too bad that they dont make them anymore.
We agree!
had one, loved it, wish i never sold it, had the extremely rare borg warner 5 speed manual trans, 90% had autos. only downfall of these was the single speed transfer case, high range only.
Thank you for this video. I loved my Pontiac Fiero. While my opposition may have beat me in top speed, I beat many vehicles off the light - including Porsche 911. I remember the fun I used to have fishtailing down the road when leaving a car wash.
Yours was clearly not fitted with an automatic transmission mated to the Iron Duke. ;-)
The Caddy was true garbage,
Say that
Station/conquest was such an amazing car. so underrated.
The Buick G/N. My car, i have owned 3 of these .two 85s' and an 86'. The last one i drag raced. Tricked it out too much and made it too radical for daily street driving. I wish id kept it.
Wow!
Concerning the Fiero, I think you really missed an important fact concerning 'the improved handling' in the later years which you just glossed over. GM hired Lotus Engineering (yeah - Lotus Sports Cars/F1 Racing engineering fame!) to sort out/improve/fix the handling of the Fiero in the last couple model years of its production. This car was truly poised to take on the world had a 2nd generation been authorized. GM shortsidedness strikes again.
yup, thats when gm bought lotus, made the first gen corvette zr1 that had the lotus v8.
@@GMCOGREyou talking about 90 to 92? I think those were built by Yamaha, strangely enough
@@daleemrick9816 no, my brother in law was a gm mechanic when the zr1 came out, thats how i know the engine was a lotus built one.yamaha built the ford taurus sho engine.
Can’t believe you showcase modified cars in this. That Eagle is unrecognizable lol
Ahhh..The Cadillac Cinnabon.....the v-6 version with a 5 sp scooted along fairly well
Wish these videos would get their facts and AI pronunciations right. Original Seville was a top-of-the-line model, not a 'more affordable' one. It's pronounced STAR-e-on, not STARE -e-on, and the Porsche is called a nine four four or nine 44, not.a 900 44.
I had a red 1987 Conquest.. back in 1994. It was the first car I ever bought.... I no long have it, but to this day it was my favorite car Ive ever owned.
I had an 89 Starion Turbo. Probably my most favorite car.
I still own the 1989 Conquest TSI the American name. BTW, Starion is the Japanese pronunciation of Stallion.
Sad those videos are not stock models. The dash was analog and there were no LED lights. This is the 80's. I know, I have one. and original owner. She is garaged now due to parts problems the cash to fix it but I still turn over the engine every month.
when mine blew the 2.6, dropped in a 4.3 chevy turbocharged with 6 speed camaro trans, ran like a bat out of hell.
Neighbor's son totaled their new black Conquest TSI back in the 80s. Can remember seeing him rip around the corners and thought to myself - "now that is a sweet car I'd love to own one day!"
GM tested a turbo variant. It put the corvette to shame. That was one of the reasons Pontiac was restricted from continuing the brand.
gmc cyclone was the same, killed off cause it out ran the vette. also with all wheel drive cornered way better than a vette
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Love my 88 Fiero. Swapped the old 92hp duke with a 3900 vvt lz9. Has some work done to it and making just under 300hp. Not a lot in todays numbers but such a blast to drive.
Conquest is the best looking and best performance on this list.....
Fierro, I remember never seeing one that wasn't damaged. It became a game among everyone I knew to point out any fierro that didn't have body damage.
Always figured they were made cheap and handled poorly.
Actually, they handle rather well, even by today's standards where everything feels like a go-kart. But you are spot-on with the observation of poor quality. Even back when the cars were new, you had to be careful with the interior plastics - especially if you were swapping out a radio. It was easy to snap the plastic bits, crack pieces, or totally bore out the plastic holes in the dash meant to accept metal screws. You had to be very delicate. Now that the earliest Fiero is 40 years old, the plastic components are that much more brittle. The door panels and the bumpers used a flexible plastic, and after all of these years, you can usually still bend those components without harm. The hood, roof panel, and decklid, which many mistake for fiberglass, are not flexible - they break just as easy as a fiberglass panel would. Front fenders and lower rear skirts below the belt line are yet another type of plastic - the kind that cracks nicely when hit hard. The good news is all of the panels can be repaired rather easily. I'm the second owner of a Fiero I drove when it was still very new, and I was just a young guy.
I would loved to have owned a AMC Eagle. I also do miss my Pontiac's for me specifically My 86 Sunbird, 88 and 92 Grand AM's and 99 Grand PRIX. But the Fiero was a nice car.
Another car not mentioned was the the Chevrolet Beretta.
I LOVE the Chrysler Conquest! And still do. My 1st car was a Mustang SVO, 4 cylinder turbo with a 5 speed manual.
My Grandmother had an AMC Eagle that she bought new in 1986. 400K miles !!!!!!! And was still running when she passed away in 2019. Damn good car. -- Also, Who the heck actually misses a Caddy ??
The Cimarron was such a great car. Its Opel platform did really well in Europe and competed well there against rivals from BMW and VW. Adding a V6 seemed to give it the power Americans wanted, yet it still flopped. Same with the Catera 15 years later. Also same with the Pontiac G8. All were great sports sedans that just didn’t hit the fancies and whims of the American market I guess
G8/GTO was dropped cause it outran the vette, and was an aus import built by holden in aus.
Had a 1986 Conquest TSI Red 5-speed that car was great had offset wheels for handling drove great that was great car 1 wish never traded it in on a new car 😭
which wheels did it have? there were 2 differnt sizes dependinng on model, 7 inch front and 8 inch rear for standards, 8 inch front 9 inch rare for limiteds. mine had 8's and 9's. ran 235/30/16 front and 265/30/16 rear.
I had an 87 Mitsubishi starion in gold. I loved that car. Unfortunately it got stolen and when I got it back it was pretty much stripped.
Those Grand Nationals were beautiful cars and were fun to drive.
I sold Fords in the 80's and drove them all. The Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coup should have been on this list. They were a very fast and fun car to drive, and came in a 5-speed. Classy too. A customer trade in his red Starion for one, and I got to drive it. Loved that thing! A friend owned a black one. And the Taurus SHO with the Yamaha built aluminum block? Thing was a rocket!
Bro goes straight to "hold me beer" mode with the AMC Eagle. 😂
I had a Eagle SX4 and loved it. I was going to the mountains to ski back then and the Eagle was great in the snow. And BTW, the Cimeron was a POS, my
sister had one for a while and it was a cheap Cad that was falling apart after 6 months.
I’ve always loved the Fiero. I even liked the Cimaron. Rode in one once. The Reagan \ Bush sticker on the one in the video is hysterical.
The Caddy with a turbo Quad Four, 5MT, and the FE3 suspension out of a Z24 would be one heck of a sleeper build.
Grand National is a sorely missed car
The way I remember the Fiero is that sales tanked because they became nearly uninsurable. Pontiac gave it a v6 and body kit but the car had terrible handling. By the time the car finally got a great suspension and 5spd, it was already too late
I had the 88 Fiero GT with t-tops, and that car was not only a looker, but it was fast
My 7\8 grade spanish teacher had 2 Fieros and LOVED them!
Had a boss who had 3 Starion's over 4 years. 2 of them blew up and the last one which he swapped for a Liberty survived but it was a non-turbo. Had a neighbour who had a Subaru Leone GL4TA. Both the GL4T and GL4TA shouldn't have been axed. They were only made for a couple years. Reason for them being axed was they only needed to produce a limited number for the World Rally Championship 1986-1987. In 1988 it was replaced by the Impreza, Later the Impreza WRX. GL was the trim level (base level), 4 as they were 4x4, T was for the 1.8 Turbo and the A on the end designated Automatic. They also produced the Vortex with the same drive chain and interior but the Vortex had a longer life than the 4 door Leone GL4T.
You included the Cimeron, a Ford Fairmont with hemorrhoids, and not the Eagle Talon TSi??? That car was a blast to drive!
I’ve watched a few of these types of videos. I’m disappointed my favourite car in my younger years is never in a list. I had a Monza Spyder and loved it. It was a pretty good beaver retriever
I love the people on here commenting that the Cimmeron was a rebadged Cavalier. As if they're the first one to notice that.
Imagine an AMC Eagle wagon with the 190hp 4.0 liter inline six. That would have been awesome to drive right now. It would have challenged the Subaru Outback quite easily.
I had an Eagle, the manual, hydraulic Clutch Assist was a pain and leaky....I overhauled 2 and replaced 3 with factory rebuilds, since there were no new ones available in the mid '90s....
Loved the Starion/Conquest. Was almost my first car, parents didn’t go for it.
I remember test driving that Mitsubishi. It talked to you and told you everything that was wrong with it.
the Cimarron was a POS Cavalier
But.... it had leather seats!
I loved my Eagle wagon. I was planning to buy a 1985 Starion, but I took a test drive, and it broke down, I got an RX7 instead, and kept it 25 years.
Man, that Starion was a real nice car. Call me crazy, but if they made that car today, I think people would buy it...
1990-95 VW Corrado G60/ VR6 would be one of my picks
The AMC Eagle suffered from two things: One, it was far ahead of it's time, and two, it was an AMC. I lived in Colorado Springs for 3 years and well-kept Eagles were all over the place. Shame for AMC that their brand died, and the idea took another few decades to become the formula that killed most traditional cars. Now many automakers have stopped making cars at all in favor of jacked-up AWD hatchbacks called crossovers - the new AMC Eagles.
Owned two 1987 Chrysler conquest TSIs beautiful car,very underrated and only problem is I live in New England and didn't have a garage to keep them in during winter and didn't drive them much in the snow they were death traps😂😂😂 on winter road conditions but still had fun and yeah,they were made of fuckin God awful steel the frame and body by the time I crashed one and sold the utta they were so rotted that they couldn't pass inspection!!!
I still look for them💯😁but only from FL,AZ,CA,and TX where rust is none-extremely minimal but they're definitely an awesome classic I called them the IROC and 5.0 killers because they're more than capable and I have granted the stangs and maros were most likely stock but then again my black conquest wasn't stock but my red one was,miss those cars!!😢
hahahaha. had an '88, made the mistake one witer( CDA idaho area) of not changing out from summer tires, 265/30/16 to winter tires, 225/70/16 snow tires, and put in the median a couple times that winter on interstate 90 from spokane to CDA. miss that car.
@@GMCOGRE DAMN!!yeah someone told me I should "stud" the tires on mine once and I said huhaha🤌🤣whatta fahhkin idiot as I'm calling triple A and telling insurance company "danm bucks,they just run outta nowhere!!!"got plenty for check but technically car wasn't totalled and owned 3 but #3 was spare parts car so both fenders/hood/grill/radiator and fan/by some miracle intercooler was fine!!!🤣🤣🤣paid my cousins bodyshop to paint it,had enough leftover to buy the girlfriend a vacuum cleaner!!!nah a necklace and dinner I'm not suicidal!!!🤣🤣🤣
@@GMCOGRE originally said owned 2 but really had 3 but she was a parts/roller ya know, nice talkin to ya fella,take care and God bless 💯🇺🇸
@@uttasyda9746 i got lucky, fresh soft snow 2 1/2 ft deep stopped it with out any damage, just had to get a friend to pull me out
@@GMCOGRE great friend!!!saddest part is when we lose them as we grow up!!a lotta people called me a madman w/my conquest TSI's...probably staring at my taillights and popular guys w/lotta friends looked at me differently as I smoked thier boys whose parents bought em stangs n maros but yeah had my crew,we didn't have much/got laughed at a lot but not after I humbly showed em all up!!!"Lmfao dudes n chicks literally WTF is that thing???"btw brotha...didn't keep my turbos stock!!!🤌💯🤣🤣🤣
As a kid, I loved the mitsubishi. Loved it the Cannonbull run film 😅
Whoever owned a Pontiac Fiero had one or more engines replaced.
The Chevy citation x11 should've been on that list. That car was a freeway flyer.
You know I didn't realize that station wagon 4 by 4 was in production all the way up to 1988. They were rare I lived in Southern California when I was a kid and I would only see one occasionally.
I knew a man that worked on the Cadillac cimeron, all they quality and performance, were taken away by bean counters, he wasnt very happy about finally product, but it did pave the way for caddy front wheel drives in the 90s and on
I can’t believe no other GM cars used the turbo 6 from Buick.
the Seville description ... "more affordable " ... it was the MOST expesnsive car in the Cadillac line up when introduced
The Starion was one awesome looking car for its time.
Fun fact- the mitsubishi Starion was originally supposed to be called the Stallion but due to a misunderstanding when Mitsubishi tried to pronounce “Stallion” it was interpreted by the U.S as “Starion”
Wish Mitsubishi would reintroduce the conquest
Had a 84 Fiero. Seriously a crappily made car but looked cool. Raced mine but frame flex was so bad I had to replace the whole thing with a tubular chassis.
Ahh the Starion ESI-R, aka my ole baby, 88 Conquest TSi - I raided a parts catalog of a company never heard of - HKS ! Adjustable boost valve, mandrel-bent exhaust, PFC Fcon computer add-on (I think), and then we butchered some intercooler and finally a sorta home-made ram air-- that little thing boogied down the 1/4 mile at 13.96 at 101.94, and that was a 100 degree day at the old Englishtown Raceway of NJ. Cooler days she ran better and winter, forget about it, she couldn't lose -- Vette's, IROC's, 5.0's, whatever else was around then- destroyed 'em!
hahahaha. first person in a long time i have heard of that knows "khs". blew my 2.6 up over boosting it so installed chevy 4.3 with camaro 6 speed and just ripped everything alive with it, almost 500hp to the rear wheels.
The problem with all these cars is the company started out cheap and ended where they should have started.
When you showed the comparison between the Cadillac cimeron and chevy cavalier, i noticed a pic of the earlier two headlight cavalier was used. a pic of the 4 headlight cavalier would have made a better example of why it was just a cavalier with leather interior. The 4 headlight cars were almost identical to the Cadillac version. But then again same can be said for a escalade and a taho or Yukon.
My buddy had a conquest back in 90s with 2 nitrous bottles in passenger side floor
I remember seeing Starions on the street, they looked way better than anything on the road
The Cimarron? When they cancelled that car (which was a cavalier at double the price) it was a favor to everyone.
I'm not a fiero guy but an MR2 guy. However, I would love to see a Fiero with GM's 3.6 V6 from the Camaro, rated at 335hp and high revs, mated to a 6spd. I think out of all of GM's modern engines, this is probably the best overall fit for the size and style of the Fiero. GM's turbo 2.0 4 cylinder would also make a good fit but the V6 sounds better and revs higher
better yet, chevy SBC fits in the back real easy.
@@GMCOGRE IF I was going to do a V8 I'd go with an LS. Weight is an issue for me. However, I don't think a V8 fits the character of the Fiero. I really believe the 335hp 3.6 V6 from the Camaro would be a better fit for the Fiero.
my buddy had a starion . So beautiful
and, the 1984 Fiero definitely gets its styling cues from the X 1/9...
The Mitsubishi starion was one of my favorite cars once I changed out the engine.
The AMC Eagle was so far ahead of its time. I have no doubt that if it was produced today it would be a great seller. I think it would be a big hit for new fathers. You know the ones. The new dad's that have a car or truck that has no practicality at all. So this would fill that void of having to get rid of their dream car. My Mom had a brown wagon model. I think it was an 82, but don't hold me to that. I was on 5 I think when she b6it. I just remember me & my brother sitting in the bed of a pickup in the showroom watching The Flintstones.
Cooling issues/ reliability killed the Fiero , cooling lines from front to back. The Mitsubishi was super cool, needed an Evo engine. I sure liked the last OG style 81 Trans Am turbo, white, love to do 5.3 forged turbo swap in one of those with a 5 speed manual , Eaton posi , 3.73’s. That 301 was weak and turbo tech was too. Cimeron was the lamest/ugliest Caddy ever. The Pontiac GTA was a cool ride too , black.
the AMC Eagle was a vacuum leak nightmare. Built like a tank, but DEQ emmisions on a smoky engine = unreliable. They left many drivers stranded.
had one, never had an issue with it, ever.
That 2.5 Liter cylinder engine was a GM component, exaclty half of the infamaous DZ 302 used in 69 Z28 Camaro. Go look up the bore and stroke, identical.
My wife and I were teen parents in the '80's and she wanted a Conquest. I hated the tyle but its grown on me. I really hated the Knight Rider inspired voice messages. Open the door and it said "Door Is Open." Duh. I talked her into a Cherokee. Since then ive been a work truck/street sport bike guy. But at 63 i am digging my 'new' 2001 Eclpse Spyder GT with a 5 speed.
The Fiero was interesting, mid engine and plastic body panels. The V6 power didnt compensate much for added weight and the body panels, cooling issues...yeah it had potential but bad press and more money for expected sales volume-smart biz decision to kill it. Same with the Vega story. Sorted out the market was gone. Better to focus on cars in their line up that sold and justified newer, modern generations.
The Mitsubishi Starion was a great car and fun to drive-unlike most Mitsubishi cars it has a more timeless look. I still wish I had one today! It was not as reliable as a Toyota.
had only 2 weak points, 2.6 truck engine, and 5th gear would rip the splines off in the trans.