Why People are Leaving Hawaii (Hawaii Together)
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Join Keli'i and his guest in the studio as they discuss why people are leaving the Hawaiian islands.
The host for this episode is Keli'i Akina. The guest for this episode is Joshua Mason.
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Why don't you get down to the real reason of the high cost appropriated by our politicians. Who really supported the approval of rail. Who is supporting the expenditures of our democratic government and controls our politicians. Wouldn't that be a eye opening disclosure.
RAIL ?
On a small Island only 36 x 34 miles?!
Ludicrous!!
They will never give the real truth.
I moved away due to the ugliness of rail, no way I wanted to look at that mess. Good Luck
@@alexandrakaan8013 oh it's ugly, especially through Pearl City
@@SunnyIlha lol and they can not even finish constructing yet. And keep asking for more funds. Total failure of management committee.
If the top was Trump, they are FIRED!
This is so sad. My heart goes out to the people of Hawaii. It's very simple. The issues have come down to rampant greed. Hawaii has allowed wealthy real estate investors to drive up the cost of housing until average people can no longer afford to live there. While the lands in Hawaii are precious, everyone there should have an affordable opportunity to own a reasonable home. The other issue is how greedy corporate businesses are. The hotel business is the worst. They refuse to give their employees a living wage and reasonable benefits. On top of that, the education and healthcare system is substandard compared to the rest of the country. There needs to be legislation to correct these issues. There need to be both educational and career paths created to uplift the people. Unfortunately, the legislators seem to represent corporate interests more than the people of Hawaii. The imbalances caused by greed have gone too far.
This is what has happened in Australia, also. Just shocking.
I've tried Hawaii (from California) for about 8 months now and I am leaving. The whole paradise thing is PR and wishful thinking. I guess we all need for there to be "some place" (over the rainbow?) where everything is nice and wonderful. I wish it were true. I'm not enthused about going back to relative cold weather. But I am saddened more that my dream of this place (the same dream everyone else has) didn't work out for my retirement like I had hoped. In case you didn't know, here are some facts about Hawaii (Maui and Oahu, the 2 islands I've spent time at): Except for nights (which are very nice), it's warm and humid most of the time. In the summer it's hot and horrible. While the ocean water temperature is perfect, the beaches are mostly shore break. That is, it gets deep fast. Wet sand is not hard packed like in CA, but soft, so don't expect to jog or take long walks by the water (unless you want to ruin your ankles). At the beaches with nice waves, it's always crowded and 95% of the water-goers are male teens and macho acting guys. The equatorial sun is merciless. I (light olive skin) sat completely covered by an umbrella for 2 hours on a beach at noon, and got the worst sunburn on my legs I think I've ever had. The bacteria count at beaches every time I checked was always moderate or worse. If you leave any visible valuables in your car (wherever you park), there is a good chance you'll have a window broken and the items taken. Everything is kind of run down and seedy. If you've been in Hollywood, it's like that, particularly Honolulu. When driving, everyone makes a big show of "being nice." That is refreshing, but that's not the culture here. I have yet to find a laundromat that had carts. People steal them. The resentment of native Hawaiians towards those who look like the usurpers who stole their land is palpable. They fly the Hawaiian state flag (often upside down) to show their loyalty. Many non-native Hawaiians fly the stars-and-stripes as a reply. (Actually, I don't know which group started that first.) Overall, the place is very racialized compared to CA, although I'm White. I'm sure a Black person (of whom there are hardly any in Hawaii) would immediately recognize the situation. Local government is liberal, but most the White Americans I spoke with are on the right-wing side. As you might expect from all this, there are quite a few nutty people. It's not a healthy culture, and that takes a toll on people, or they just have no problem with it and stay. Incompetence is huge compared to CA. Generally people don't care, and the educational system is low quality. I would be very reluctant to see a doctor or have my car repaired here. For a vacation, definitely go for it. You'll have luxury room, a nice change of scenery, warm weather in the winter, fun things to do in a relaxing frame of mind. You can float above all this stuff. I might come back here in a while and see the islands as a tourist. They're perfect for that. But 2 (very expensive) weeks tops. Living here is a whole different experience.
Leaving af26 lyears in Hawaii. Love it here but wages don't keep up with expenses. My rent went up $300.00 in one month. It's a studio but I'm just paying for someone else's lifestyle.
So very exactly, precisely true.
And, I am stunned and shocked at $300.00 increase in one month.
That should be investigated by the State Attorney General as illegal.
People in the mainland are not that friendly and dont know the meaning of aloha
every since Hawaii became a state- its been down hill since!
Hawaii is for wealthy people. It’s not for natives and locals anymore.
Brah amen to that. That’s something I’ve been saying for the past 7-8 years now. Hawaii’s illegal American government and the politicians throwing this Aina to the shithole. Too much reliance on tourism. That’s not what Hawaii and Native Hawaiian values are about brah
Give it 20 years and the number of natives will be nonexistent. The older generation is dying. The younger generation sees that they won’t have to struggle if they move away. Why stay in an old home with ten family members when you can move away and have your own place for a fraction of the cost, in a place with good schools for your children? You won’t have to spend $10 for one gallon of milk. You won’t have to pay half your salary for gas. You can save for retirement.
You’ll never be able to do that in Hawaii. The islands are dying a slow, painful death.
And foreign buyers have driven housing pricing sky high. Banning foreign buyers would help housing costs exponentially, but that’s never going to happen.
It’s sad, but a lot of natives would rather suffer and stay put than sell and leave. Their pride won’t allow them to go, so they’re trapped in a place that doesn’t care about them.
For real brah. These foreign haole mainland buyers are contributing to the rental/housing prices going up. Couple that with the fact that Hawaii’s “politicians” aren’t for the little guy, contrary to what they would have you believe. They’re all about profits and the color green. They could care less about creating infrastructure that would benefit Native Hawaiians and locals who can trace their ancestry to the too-oft-forgotten plantation workers brought here from Asia. Haoles think Hawaii, they think oh Paradise. But they are so out of touch with the daily struggles that us Native Hawaiians go through. There’s so much more to say about this issue brah. And it’s very frustrating. All we get are doors slammed in our faces, run around a from state offices, the lot. What can we do, when those in power won’t let our voices and our pleas be heard.
Really frustrating. The majority of foreign and mainland buyers don’t care about the culture or the traditions, which is why so many either leave after a few years of contributing nothing or were never here and are just collecting rent from abroad. The ones who do care and are respectful and kind can’t afford to stay. I’m telling you, once I explain it to mainland friends, they abandon the dream to live here and decide to come on vacation and learn.
So sad...our future is at stake! #GodBlessHawaii
Seven times the average income and $500 per sqft? That’s insane and it’s not sustainable. I hope your market levels out soon.
This guy keeps thinking that there can be SFO suburban sprawl on Oahu and Maui. There just can't. He says "we don't want high rises all over the place." But why not? There are already plenty of mid and high rises on Oahu, that's why rent prices aren't really all that high on Oahu. You see 30 story buildings all the time on Oahu, but San Francisco limits most of their buildings to 4 stories high. That's why rent tends to be somewhat affordable on Oahu.
I’m 50 with an associate degree in electronics an have 10 years experience and I’m at a entry level groundkeeper job for the government struggling to live from pay check to pay check!! Daughter just graduated from high school an now in college on mainland! Me an the wife planing on moving to the mainland now so we both can have jobs in our fields of education an live in a place where cost of living is a lot cheaper!! You can never get ahead in Hawaii! Job opportunity and cost of living on the mainland is reason to leave for us!!
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You both have just revealed like a low tide how mortgage loans are faked.
This has been a real hard occurrence fact since this started in 1984-85.
The host is impressive. He is very good.
The problem is most Hawaiians dont participate in elections.
Self interested people count on them not voting, and get easy wins.
The people are miserable and not represented because they refuse to participate. So they blame Haoles and tourists.
If they want real change, they have to change.
The damage is so bad that it wont change in a week, but its a start.
Not voting has consequences.
No matter how bad they dont want to be a part of the system, they are. They might as well participate.
In 2016, the people spoke, and it shocked the establishment with a Trump win.
Id love to see Hawaiians win and get real representation. The people that vote, and win, care more about the turtles and environment more than the plight of the people.
Vote for true representation or quit complaining.
Taxes, property crime/petty theft, homeless, batu/drugs, economy in trouble for decades, cost of housing,crowded /traffic vs aina food weather Aloha etc... for some yes, others no. Me vacation for six months a tear is perfect.
You can't developed because of sacred Ancient Hawaiian burial place keep the land sacred.
It’s not rocket science, there’s room for 1.5 million and 8billion want to live there.
Born and raised on Maui now I'm retired and don't think I can afford to live on the land that was deeded to my family by the king over 100 years ago
Please don't sell it.
I surmise you are multi generation Local.
I miss my home of Hawai'i and wish I could go back. To much money to live there, priced out.
3 bedroom homes for $150,000 in Alabama.
Byron Bay tweed heads is like hawaii expensive
It's america for you canada is better
Are you supporting the rezoning of our agricultural land to residential/commercial designation? Are you supporting the politicians?
Hey tacky Oklahoma journalist with the red aloha shirt.....here’s an idea, give sovereign reign back to the Hawaiians (the TRUE NATIVE HAWAIIANS), tell the American government to pack up their shit and go, and then let us govern in a way that true Hawaiians would benefit and not these haoles or these bananas lining their pocket and filling their thirst for greed
Umm BIGOTRY
I'm fortunate to earn over $100,000 from my job here, but I still can't afford a decent single family home. I could buy a condo (more in my price range), but IMO the quality of what you get is still very poor. All it takes is one look at the mainland housing market to realize it is possible to achieve a better standard of living for less. It all boils down to what you can accept as a standard baseline of living. I've had multiple family members and friends move to the mainland within the past few years. I think I might be next.
You should move off island. If you’re going to work hard, you should aim to get the best value for your money. Standard of living in the states is much much higher...food quality as well. I used to live in Hawaii and would not move back and I love the islands.
@@jarsshew2722 Thank you for your input. I can easily transfer to several places on the mainland, but I'm just weighing out my options between each. Living here all my life, even just visualizing leaving is damn hard. I'm pretty sure the grass is greener is there, but I just gotta do it.
calpitoc definitely go for it. One life to live. There world is a huge place. There’s ton to see, do and experience out of our hometown!
I had 3 jobs when i was back home and i still could'nt afford the rent and food
Unreal.
It's actually criminal.
The food here in the mainland is terrible they use hawaii's restaurant names like L and L or aloha kitchen but the food can't beat the taste back home
I like that he mentioned the "hawaiians in arizona" facebook group. I'm part of that facebook group. There really is a sense of community there. People even type in pidgin.
Before me and my family moved to Hawaii in 2009, we lived in tuscon for a year. My mom and siblings ended up moving back to Tucson in 2016, while me and my dad ended up living there until late 2018. Their reasons were mostly financial, but also my mom started to miss some of our relatives we have in arizona, since we have no relatives in Hawaii.
While they were in Tucson and I was in Honolulu, I would call my mom somewhat regularly and sometimes she would tell me about how things are so much cheaper in tucson (sometimes taking pictures of price tags in the grocery store and sending them to me). Of course I would think "wow that's pretty cheap", especially when she sent me a picture of the price tag for milk inside of Fry's or Safeway where it said $1.99.
I had set up a 5 day trip out to Arizona to visit my family as I hadn't seen my mom or most of my siblings in 4 years (this was 2019). When I was there I noticed how much cheaper everything was there and enjoyed the change in scenery since all I knew for the past 10 years was Honolulu. Me and my girlfriend both agreed that it would be nice to move to Tucson, especially because it would be cheaper and we could feel less worried about our finances (and get an apartment with it's own washer and dryer). We ended up moving to Tucson in October 2019 - a mere month and a half after coming back from our trip.
Now that we're well settled in, my feelings about this place have completely changed. For one, I pay MUCH MORE in monthly living expenses. This is in part due to the fact that in tucson, a car is a NECESSITY here, so I am financing a car since I wanted something that was more reliable then beater I had previously. Also during the summer months it's VERY HOT so we keep the AC on in the house. My electric was $170 last month. My total household living expenses (just bills, not things like food and gas) add up to around $1800 a month. In Hawaii my total was around $1220 a month. I didn't need a car there, so I just had a moped for when I needed to go to the store or just for when I didn't feel like walking a couple blocks to work.
Another thing is that a majority of our stay here has been consumed by the COVID-19 pandemic. Safe to say, once this pandemic is done with, I don't want to keep living in a city that reminds me of those days. When covid's over, me and gf are going back to the 808.
Lastly, I have come to a realization that, despite always having cold AC in every car I've owned here, at work, and at home, I really hate temperatures above 95 degrees, and also don't like the desert scenery that much. I've spent the vast majority of my life in places where green grass, thick forests, and waterfronts are the norm. Luckily it has been a pretty rainy summer here in southern AZ so everything is starting to look green, but still it's not the same. Whenever I'm up on a hill or something looking into the distance, I can see the city, but it just feels like at the end of the horizon I'm supposed to see the ocean. Just the realization that the closest beach (in the U.S.) is more than a 400 mile drive from where i'm at just makes me feel a little isolated.
Sometimes I just go to phoenix whenever I feel like i'm isolated in the desert. The greater phoenix area is MASSIVE and it's easy to not feel like you're in the middle of a desert wasteland while there. Hell, the greater phoenix area is BIGGER than oahu and all that space is developed too.
Good grief
Bumbye O'ahu gon be Cultural desert.
Most of my family in hawaii is all gone now and its never the same) we have only cousins living back home and my brother and i left to be able to afford to rent a place to live but not everyone here in the mainland are not that friendly) and they have no beautiful beaches or places that you can go camping
It is cheaper in most instances but the average price for a gallon of milk on the mainland is $3.48 haven't found anywhere for a $1.80
I left back home and now i live in las vegas i been here since2005
I miss home
If living back home was'nt expensive i would'nt have moved to the mainland the weather during the summer is so hot and winter is too cold
In las vegas and they have no beach,i never did camp out i'm scared about the insect and everything else
What did she witness in the legislature that made her still move away?
Exodus.
Beginning since 1980.
Hawaii need afforable rent
Hawaii is as affordable as anywere else
it's relative to where you llive .
@Joshua Mason really ok
So how many places in the United state's do you no where you can buy property off a paved street with power and water within walking distance to the ocean for under $12 000 dollars ?
I no of 3 counting Hawaii
@Joshua Mason I understand
woody ahh affordable property close to the ocean is pointless if you cannot find a decent paying job to live comfortably. Some states in the mainland, while pay is lower the cost of living is also significantly lower. It’s all math in the end.
I am 61 gonna be 62. I am planning on leaving. The economy is bad. Hawaii is not the same, and don’t consider it My home anymore. There’s a lot of stereotyping going on and racism. The homeless population is growing and nothing is being done. There is a lot of homeless elderly people on the streets. If I stay, I have to continue working just to pay rent. I will never be able to collect My Social Security.
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