Did you say Adam Cole had a 16 year ongoing career? He's rookie of the year in 2010 the year my son was born and he's 14. That's impressive having a 16 year career in just 14 years. Talent.
Paul Heyman was 19 years old and working for a hot club in New York when he booked a show that debuted Bam Bam Bigelow and was attended by Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes.
Here's a fun fact about Marc Mero: After his wrestling career ended he had one of the most viral videos ever on the internet when going from school to school doing motivational speaking, he talked about using drugs and losing his mother. Vince was enamored with Sable and because Marc couldn't legally be that Johnny B Badd character for the WW(F)E for fear of a lawsuit Vince scrapped him after having him humiliate himself to put over his wife only to have her in real life cheat on him with her now husband Brock Lesnar, all the while posing for playboy then suing WW(F)E and leaving because she was being sexually harassed by Vince and others. Had Marc found success in the WW(F)E he may be a statistic today of another young wrestler gone too soon.
Jack Victory was a warm body they threw in last minute when they needed one more person in the midnight vs midnight feud that fizzled out when I think it was Dennis left again. They literally brought him in to lose and leave.
When Dustin was being trained Dusty wasn't involved because Dusty was running WCW/JCP as booker and talent. Both Dustin and Cody talk about how they were trained by others and not their father in interviews. Dusty was barely home during this time.
Fun fact: Steve Austin was hand picked by Paul Heyman to be the final member of the Dangerous Alliance when Dusty pitched the idea to Paul for the group which Dusty had factored in Rick Rude perhaps the greatest heel of all time. Paul thought it would benefit Steve to ride with he and Rick from town and town and learn the business on the road in those car rides that are now so famous. Steve told a story that Rick didn't like anyone using the Lord's name in vain and Steve got a little heat with Rick on one car ride because he just couldn't not say it. Bobby Eaton, Larry Zbysko and Arn Anderson weren't a bad learning tree either.
Brian Pillman was a small jobber whom Ric Flair liked and Flair had the book. He had a couple of matches with Flair and then Flair left after falling out with Herd and Dusty got the book. Dusty put Pillman and Austin together but when they started getting over split them up. Pillman then came up with an idea and by then Bischoff was running WCW at which time it was thought that Brian who had accidentally caused Bobby Hennan to curse on live television with his loose canon gimmick was working for WCW even after he went to the WW(F)E. Unfortunately, Brian had his accident where they had to fuse his ankle just after signing with the WW(F)E and then was found dead later in his hotel room from an apparent overdose. Great in ring worker until his ankle injury and good talker despite his issues with throat cancer and surgeries therewith. Should be on same tier with Liger. Very similar work.
Tom Zenk was almost a star. When he first broke through he worked in the AWA, Mid South and Portland for more than a year then became part of the Can-Am Connection with Rick Martell in October of 86. They were a great in ring team headed up by the highly underrated veteran Rick Martell. Unfortunately, the WW(F)E in it's global expansion had employed quite a number of great wrestlers some of which were established tag teams like the British Bulldogs and some were thrown together by Vince and company like the Killer Bees and the Can-Am Connection. Had Zenk and Paul Roma both not had a run in with the Cream Team leader Pat Patterson and lost their positions and pushes due to not allowing Pat to assault them who knows how far they both could have gotten and Paul Roma is the worst Horseman ever. Barry was actually a great Horseman.
Sean O'Haire was talented and like Jindrak and a couple of others who came over during the invasion angle he just got lost in the shuffle of WWE. Lance Cade also comes to mind.
Petey Williams...the first time I saw his finisher I thought how does he do that without killing someone. For a little guy his inverted pile driver is sick.
Gary Albright was a big guy who I only saw one or two times and don't really remember those matches. After reading his wikipedia page I realized why: He married into the famous Anoaʻi family, wrestled for Stampede the last year it was open and had success in Japan. He died in the ring at the age of 36 and while I never really saw him work I do plan to try to see a match of he and Mike Shaw as a tag team in Stampede. I hope there's a good one on here. Shaw brought his post Norman the Lunatic alter ego Makhan Singh to Global several years later and was an excellent heel there. Here's a match of interest though Gary wasn't particular good in it: th-cam.com/video/AW7Zr60WREA/w-d-xo.html
Did you just say Demolition was better? You do realize Demolition was created because Vince couldn't get the Road Warriors. Not too long after he created Demolition he finally signed Hawk and Animal for the first time but Hawk didn't like the WW(F)E during that first run and left months into their run. Still, I think Bill Eadie was a legend of whom there wouldn't have been a demolition without as seen when Smash became the Repo Man. Even now they are together at conventions and Smash is the character for which Darsow is remembered. The Road Warriors had incredible runs against the Horsemen, Midnight Express and the Russians.
I gotta say you have no idea how to rate these...Barry should be Good Vibes, Dr. Death should be pops, Brad Armstrong should be mid although his in ring work was excellent, Brad Rheingans was the drizzling $h!t$ and now you put the Road Warriors one of the top five greatest tag teams of all time on a lower tier with Dr. Death. Insane.
Two stories about Dr. Death Steve Williams of whom Stone Cold had to change his name to Austin from Williams when Dutch Mantell told him to come up with a name and he didn't Dutch picked Austin: So Dr. Death once saved a motorist in an accident by ripping the door off the car while it was on fire. Also, Jim Cornette tells a story about Jimmy Garvin and Michael Hayes along with their returning Freebird Terry Gordy who had just come back from Japan where he was tagging with Dr. Death going against the good Dr. and the Midnight Express. Jimmy and Michael were on steroids and thought they shouldn't sell for Bobby and Stan though Bobby could work circles around both of them and Stan was no slouch either. They made the mistake of trying to treat Dr. Death the same way and the All-American from Oklahoma picked up a wooden folding chair and destroyed it over Jimmy Garvin's raised arms while yelling "Fu@k with me" before every swing. Jimmy had to have his elbow scoped afterward with bone fragments where the chair had found it's mark. Terry just looked on while Jimmy begged Doc to stop hitting him lol.
Another quick story about Dr. Death: So I forget which maybe Dutch Mantell I think it was told recently about a time when Dr. Death and Road Warrior Hawk started shooting during a match then went to the back into a room locked the door and beat the hell out of each other until they were satisfied then unlocked the door and exited and had some beers. Gotta miss the Golden Age of wrestling.
Liger was a great wrestler who was more like a young Owen Hart or maybe on par with a young Eddie Guerrero but to put him top tier is hard because most of his success came in Japan but when he worked against wrestlers state-side he didn't speak English well and so their matches much like The Great Muta weren't as good as they could have been. Jericho and a young Benoit under his mask are also on par with Liger in his prime.
Goldberg recently sat down with Stone Cold on the Broken Skull Sessions and admitted he is still green and never was a great wrestler. Bret Hart says as much but shew was Bill over.
Brad Rheingans was horrible but they were really high on him because of his amateur background. Had the US not boycotted the 1980 Summer Olympics, Rheingans could have beaten Kurt Angle in becoming the first gold medalist in Professional Wrestling. As far as his in ring work though he wasn't great as a pro wrassler. Brad Armstrong however was an incredible in ring worker whom it was said was one of the funniest guys backstage but his personality for whatever reasons never translated on camera. He remains the best in ring worker in that family that includes his brothers Steve and Road Dogg Jesse James and his legendary father Bullet Bob who could go well into his 60's as seen in Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
Perro had a few things happen to him in that match with Rey and company and may have been injured when he went out of the ring before the set up for the 619. When he and his partner both were set up on the rope for the move his partner realizing something was wrong called off Rey via the Ref and then Conan came over and shook the $h!t out of him which didn't help either. Perro was a good wrestler but would have been a midcard at best for one of the bigger companies. Paul Wight aka the Giant aka the Big Show was/is a great big man who had some success in the WWE with a fairly long career there especially for a big man. They kept changing him from a bad@$$ to a comedy act though and this sours his legacy for me somewhat but bad booking aside he was still entertaining especially as part of Jerishow.
When I saw the thumbnail I clicked on this video hoping to see a retrospective look with objectionable understanding of the talents rated therein. Instead I stopped the video after two of you admit you've not watched Barry Windham ever. How are you going to rate something you've never seen? It'd be like me having an opinion on Shawarma. Here's some interesting facts for you: Barry Windham was called the best worker in the 80's by Ric Flair. Barry Windham did one of the greatest standing drop kicks of all time standing 6"6". Barry Windham did an innovative running bulldog, lariat and a float over super plex that at the time no one else did. His grasp of psychology was excellent and his fluid moveset and story telling were main event. He had memorable runs as Arn Anderson's tag team partner while in the 4 Horsemen, as Lex Luger's partner before his heel turn, and with Dusty Rhodes as they took on the 4 horsemen prior to Luger and Sting joining the company. Had Luger and Sting not become part of the company Barry most likely would not have turned heel and would have been the top singles baby face in the company after Dusty retired considering Magnum TA had been hurt in that horrific car wreck that nearly took his life. As it happened, Sting did join and between Sting and Luger the singles in WCW was tied up prior to Hogan joining the company. Both Sting and Luger were over and Flair made them both his pet projects as they were green while Windham had been in wrestling all his life and was a veteran in his early 20's. His lack of motivation and decision to marry and work less dates were also factors in his becoming less of a presence until he left WCW. He and Brad Armstrong were two of the great wrestlers from JCP that got lost in the shuffle under Herd and future management.
Bob Sapp was a huge muscular man who was at the power plant when they trained Goldberg. Bob took stupid fights and didn't prepare is the reason his MMA/Kickboxing record is so awful. The fights he shown in were early on and the rest were money grabs. Had he applied himself at all he would have been a huge star. As it was he did not and he was not. You need a new tier under $h!T$.
Wow! This looks interesting!
RICEMAN!!!
The LNG dojo is back!
Did you say Adam Cole had a 16 year ongoing career? He's rookie of the year in 2010 the year my son was born and he's 14. That's impressive having a 16 year career in just 14 years. Talent.
The Rey Mysterio one was worse. Tope is predicting his retirement in three years.
Paul Heyman was 19 years old and working for a hot club in New York when he booked a show that debuted Bam Bam Bigelow and was attended by Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes.
spectacular
Blitzkrieg was so good his wikipedia page is more about the guy who took over his gimmick after he retired than it is about him.
Here's a fun fact about Marc Mero: After his wrestling career ended he had one of the most viral videos ever on the internet when going from school to school doing motivational speaking, he talked about using drugs and losing his mother. Vince was enamored with Sable and because Marc couldn't legally be that Johnny B Badd character for the WW(F)E for fear of a lawsuit Vince scrapped him after having him humiliate himself to put over his wife only to have her in real life cheat on him with her now husband Brock Lesnar, all the while posing for playboy then suing WW(F)E and leaving because she was being sexually harassed by Vince and others. Had Marc found success in the WW(F)E he may be a statistic today of another young wrestler gone too soon.
RICEMAN 🗣️🗣️
Jack Victory was a warm body they threw in last minute when they needed one more person in the midnight vs midnight feud that fizzled out when I think it was Dennis left again. They literally brought him in to lose and leave.
When Dustin was being trained Dusty wasn't involved because Dusty was running WCW/JCP as booker and talent. Both Dustin and Cody talk about how they were trained by others and not their father in interviews. Dusty was barely home during this time.
Riceman!
No idea about Jun but Mikey was fun to watch in his youth. His ECW run was his best work.
The real is back
Fun fact: Steve Austin was hand picked by Paul Heyman to be the final member of the Dangerous Alliance when Dusty pitched the idea to Paul for the group which Dusty had factored in Rick Rude perhaps the greatest heel of all time. Paul thought it would benefit Steve to ride with he and Rick from town and town and learn the business on the road in those car rides that are now so famous. Steve told a story that Rick didn't like anyone using the Lord's name in vain and Steve got a little heat with Rick on one car ride because he just couldn't not say it. Bobby Eaton, Larry Zbysko and Arn Anderson weren't a bad learning tree either.
pop
Brian Pillman was a small jobber whom Ric Flair liked and Flair had the book. He had a couple of matches with Flair and then Flair left after falling out with Herd and Dusty got the book. Dusty put Pillman and Austin together but when they started getting over split them up. Pillman then came up with an idea and by then Bischoff was running WCW at which time it was thought that Brian who had accidentally caused Bobby Hennan to curse on live television with his loose canon gimmick was working for WCW even after he went to the WW(F)E. Unfortunately, Brian had his accident where they had to fuse his ankle just after signing with the WW(F)E and then was found dead later in his hotel room from an apparent overdose. Great in ring worker until his ankle injury and good talker despite his issues with throat cancer and surgeries therewith. Should be on same tier with Liger. Very similar work.
Tom Zenk was almost a star. When he first broke through he worked in the AWA, Mid South and Portland for more than a year then became part of the Can-Am Connection with Rick Martell in October of 86. They were a great in ring team headed up by the highly underrated veteran Rick Martell. Unfortunately, the WW(F)E in it's global expansion had employed quite a number of great wrestlers some of which were established tag teams like the British Bulldogs and some were thrown together by Vince and company like the Killer Bees and the Can-Am Connection. Had Zenk and Paul Roma both not had a run in with the Cream Team leader Pat Patterson and lost their positions and pushes due to not allowing Pat to assault them who knows how far they both could have gotten and Paul Roma is the worst Horseman ever. Barry was actually a great Horseman.
Sean O'Haire was talented and like Jindrak and a couple of others who came over during the invasion angle he just got lost in the shuffle of WWE. Lance Cade also comes to mind.
RICEMAN
LET'S GOOOO
Petey Williams...the first time I saw his finisher I thought how does he do that without killing someone. For a little guy his inverted pile driver is sick.
Sabin is a good worker. Should be in Pops.
Gary Albright was a big guy who I only saw one or two times and don't really remember those matches. After reading his wikipedia page I realized why: He married into the famous Anoaʻi family, wrestled for Stampede the last year it was open and had success in Japan. He died in the ring at the age of 36 and while I never really saw him work I do plan to try to see a match of he and Mike Shaw as a tag team in Stampede. I hope there's a good one on here. Shaw brought his post Norman the Lunatic alter ego Makhan Singh to Global several years later and was an excellent heel there. Here's a match of interest though Gary wasn't particular good in it: th-cam.com/video/AW7Zr60WREA/w-d-xo.html
Young lions good
I’m a Regal Crown Club Member
Did you just say Demolition was better? You do realize Demolition was created because Vince couldn't get the Road Warriors. Not too long after he created Demolition he finally signed Hawk and Animal for the first time but Hawk didn't like the WW(F)E during that first run and left months into their run. Still, I think Bill Eadie was a legend of whom there wouldn't have been a demolition without as seen when Smash became the Repo Man. Even now they are together at conventions and Smash is the character for which Darsow is remembered. The Road Warriors had incredible runs against the Horsemen, Midnight Express and the Russians.
I gotta say you have no idea how to rate these...Barry should be Good Vibes, Dr. Death should be pops, Brad Armstrong should be mid although his in ring work was excellent, Brad Rheingans was the drizzling $h!t$ and now you put the Road Warriors one of the top five greatest tag teams of all time on a lower tier with Dr. Death. Insane.
Two stories about Dr. Death Steve Williams of whom Stone Cold had to change his name to Austin from Williams when Dutch Mantell told him to come up with a name and he didn't Dutch picked Austin: So Dr. Death once saved a motorist in an accident by ripping the door off the car while it was on fire. Also, Jim Cornette tells a story about Jimmy Garvin and Michael Hayes along with their returning Freebird Terry Gordy who had just come back from Japan where he was tagging with Dr. Death going against the good Dr. and the Midnight Express. Jimmy and Michael were on steroids and thought they shouldn't sell for Bobby and Stan though Bobby could work circles around both of them and Stan was no slouch either. They made the mistake of trying to treat Dr. Death the same way and the All-American from Oklahoma picked up a wooden folding chair and destroyed it over Jimmy Garvin's raised arms while yelling "Fu@k with me" before every swing. Jimmy had to have his elbow scoped afterward with bone fragments where the chair had found it's mark. Terry just looked on while Jimmy begged Doc to stop hitting him lol.
Another quick story about Dr. Death: So I forget which maybe Dutch Mantell I think it was told recently about a time when Dr. Death and Road Warrior Hawk started shooting during a match then went to the back into a room locked the door and beat the hell out of each other until they were satisfied then unlocked the door and exited and had some beers. Gotta miss the Golden Age of wrestling.
Liger was a great wrestler who was more like a young Owen Hart or maybe on par with a young Eddie Guerrero but to put him top tier is hard because most of his success came in Japan but when he worked against wrestlers state-side he didn't speak English well and so their matches much like The Great Muta weren't as good as they could have been. Jericho and a young Benoit under his mask are also on par with Liger in his prime.
Goldberg recently sat down with Stone Cold on the Broken Skull Sessions and admitted he is still green and never was a great wrestler. Bret Hart says as much but shew was Bill over.
Brad Rheingans was horrible but they were really high on him because of his amateur background. Had the US not boycotted the 1980 Summer Olympics, Rheingans could have beaten Kurt Angle in becoming the first gold medalist in Professional Wrestling. As far as his in ring work though he wasn't great as a pro wrassler. Brad Armstrong however was an incredible in ring worker whom it was said was one of the funniest guys backstage but his personality for whatever reasons never translated on camera. He remains the best in ring worker in that family that includes his brothers Steve and Road Dogg Jesse James and his legendary father Bullet Bob who could go well into his 60's as seen in Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
Wait what
Perro had a few things happen to him in that match with Rey and company and may have been injured when he went out of the ring before the set up for the 619. When he and his partner both were set up on the rope for the move his partner realizing something was wrong called off Rey via the Ref and then Conan came over and shook the $h!t out of him which didn't help either. Perro was a good wrestler but would have been a midcard at best for one of the bigger companies.
Paul Wight aka the Giant aka the Big Show was/is a great big man who had some success in the WWE with a fairly long career there especially for a big man. They kept changing him from a bad@$$ to a comedy act though and this sours his legacy for me somewhat but bad booking aside he was still entertaining especially as part of Jerishow.
Lita got over better than Essa Rios. He was so good he had to go home to get over.
You couldn't find a fun fact about a man with no name...interesting.
Rey is the greatest lightweight in the history of Professional Wrestling.
He's not the G.O.A.T. though dang guys. You put him over Stone Cold?
When I saw the thumbnail I clicked on this video hoping to see a retrospective look with objectionable understanding of the talents rated therein. Instead I stopped the video after two of you admit you've not watched Barry Windham ever. How are you going to rate something you've never seen? It'd be like me having an opinion on Shawarma. Here's some interesting facts for you: Barry Windham was called the best worker in the 80's by Ric Flair. Barry Windham did one of the greatest standing drop kicks of all time standing 6"6". Barry Windham did an innovative running bulldog, lariat and a float over super plex that at the time no one else did. His grasp of psychology was excellent and his fluid moveset and story telling were main event. He had memorable runs as Arn Anderson's tag team partner while in the 4 Horsemen, as Lex Luger's partner before his heel turn, and with Dusty Rhodes as they took on the 4 horsemen prior to Luger and Sting joining the company. Had Luger and Sting not become part of the company Barry most likely would not have turned heel and would have been the top singles baby face in the company after Dusty retired considering Magnum TA had been hurt in that horrific car wreck that nearly took his life. As it happened, Sting did join and between Sting and Luger the singles in WCW was tied up prior to Hogan joining the company. Both Sting and Luger were over and Flair made them both his pet projects as they were green while Windham had been in wrestling all his life and was a veteran in his early 20's. His lack of motivation and decision to marry and work less dates were also factors in his becoming less of a presence until he left WCW. He and Brad Armstrong were two of the great wrestlers from JCP that got lost in the shuffle under Herd and future management.
Pops
i hear ya.
Bob Sapp was a huge muscular man who was at the power plant when they trained Goldberg. Bob took stupid fights and didn't prepare is the reason his MMA/Kickboxing record is so awful. The fights he shown in were early on and the rest were money grabs. Had he applied himself at all he would have been a huge star. As it was he did not and he was not. You need a new tier under $h!T$.