I have never had a bowline fail. but a more secure knot is never a bad thing when you are trusting life and limb on it. When I want to make it solid I do a Yosemite bowline with a extra turn. It locks p solid as a rock.
I doubt a 4 year old comment would ever see this, but the only thing that makes this knot insecure is that if it comes out of tension, it can deform enough to undo the knot. Which is actually one of its benefits, that is it can come undone easily after a heavy load.
@@ScorpionRegent got it. Never seen people do this before because normally i have only seen bowline follow through all the way(just like bowline on a bight), or a bowline with yosemite finish or stopper knot, or just bowline with double loop. And stopper knot. I wonder, what would be the safest bowline for tie into the harness actually? The one that dont have any unnecessary extra knots, but at the same time, the one that mitigates or removes any chance of failure. Im leaning towards the bowline follow through.
Bowline was designed for use with natural fibre ropes not braided core or kevlar type cordage. I'm a merchant seaman not a climber, if you are relying on a Bowline for a life saving knot you shouldn't be climbing, as they say 'a little knowledge is dangerous'
You're absolutely right, it's only ever used on light loads up the tower or down the tower, we need an 5k Anchorage point to tie off too with our 100% saftey gear, which is also designed to handle 5k. If you can't hang a truck off of it don't tie off to it basically. Much respect for your career btw
I think you could do the same thing by tying a better half after your bowline. Or If you want to keep your tail out of the loop you can just do a Yosemite finish.
In a situation where you are clipping at the waist but it is hard or impossible to see what you are doing (pulling out of a roof to less steep ground for example) it is an advantage to have only a single strand leading back to your belayer. This is really really knit-picking, I always use a bowline w/ yosemite finish - but some people like a really clean strand for clipping in. Also a yosemite bowline needs to be dressed correctly so this is a more "surefire" way of tying in. Those are the only two advantages of this knot over a yosemite. I prefer the yosemite finish.
This doesn't work great for tying in to your harness, the double overhand butts up to your tie in points when falling and can in some cases push the tail through the double overhand making it an uncompleted unsafe knot. Adding a Yosemite finish then tying your double overhand is much safer and less fidgety.
A bowline was never designed to be "flapped in the breeze" Nor was it invented at a time when braided/plaited cords were available. It was created by a sailor to make a loop in a rope that could be used as a secure method of forming such a loop, and that will not slip under load, whilst still being easy to untie. You want a knot to place your climbing life line on, learn to tie an alpine butterfly hitch. Almost anything can be made to look unsafe when taken away from its design parameters. Tosser
Phil Menzies ... Dear Mr Menzies , I thought it was only me that was inundated with these crap people trying to complicate a simple effective hitch that sailed & discovered the world as we know it today .... cheers and thank u from new zealand..
I like the slow turn by turn explanation, plus your hands didn’t get in the way of the camera. You did a good job with lighting and background color.
I have never had a bowline fail. but a more secure knot is never a bad thing when you are trusting life and limb on it. When I want to make it solid I do a Yosemite bowline with a extra turn. It locks p solid as a rock.
I doubt a 4 year old comment would ever see this, but the only thing that makes this knot insecure is that if it comes out of tension, it can deform enough to undo the knot. Which is actually one of its benefits, that is it can come undone easily after a heavy load.
What do you mean “with a extra turn” ?
@@spider121 A bowline is a bight threaded through through a loop. A extra turn would be making the loop double.
@@ScorpionRegent got it. Never seen people do this before because normally i have only seen bowline follow through all the way(just like bowline on a bight), or a bowline with yosemite finish or stopper knot, or just bowline with double loop. And stopper knot. I wonder, what would be the safest bowline for tie into the harness actually? The one that dont have any unnecessary extra knots, but at the same time, the one that mitigates or removes any chance of failure. Im leaning towards the bowline follow through.
@@ScorpionRegent but dou le loop with Yosemite finish do sound very very secure
Lots of loop knots to choose from here: th-cam.com/play/PLc7bqVSkVAp5I06yqemSNMdFu5Q70X5R6.html
Bowline was designed for use with natural fibre ropes not braided core or kevlar type cordage. I'm a merchant seaman not a climber, if you are relying on a Bowline for a life saving knot you shouldn't be climbing, as they say 'a little knowledge is dangerous'
You're absolutely right, it's only ever used on light loads up the tower or down the tower, we need an 5k Anchorage point to tie off too with our 100% saftey gear, which is also designed to handle 5k. If you can't hang a truck off of it don't tie off to it basically. Much respect for your career btw
I like the eskimo bowline, and I learned how to tie it using the marlin spike hitch.
I think you could do the same thing by tying a better half after your bowline. Or If you want to keep your tail out of the loop you can just do a Yosemite finish.
Thank you that could save my life if needed.
Never seen a bowline fail but I usually do a half hitch to get the end out of the way
Thanks, this will help to know.
Why not do a Yosemite with a double overhand so the tail isn't in the bight?
Yes that is certainly an option.
In a situation where you are clipping at the waist but it is hard or impossible to see what you are doing (pulling out of a roof to less steep ground for example) it is an advantage to have only a single strand leading back to your belayer. This is really really knit-picking, I always use a bowline w/ yosemite finish - but some people like a really clean strand for clipping in. Also a yosemite bowline needs to be dressed correctly so this is a more "surefire" way of tying in. Those are the only two advantages of this knot over a yosemite. I prefer the yosemite finish.
I was going to just say that. XD
Very nice instructions and a great way to secure the bowline !! 😊
is that second knot the constrictor knot?
10 puntos gracias ! Lastima que no hay subtitulado al español. Saludos desde Argentina Buenos Aires
This doesn't work great for tying in to your harness, the double overhand butts up to your tie in points when falling and can in some cases push the tail through the double overhand making it an uncompleted unsafe knot. Adding a Yosemite finish then tying your double overhand is much safer and less fidgety.
Love it....
A bowline was never designed to be "flapped in the breeze" Nor was it invented at a time when braided/plaited cords were available. It was created by a sailor to make a loop in a rope that could be used as a secure method of forming such a loop, and that will not slip under load, whilst still being easy to untie. You want a knot to place your climbing life line on, learn to tie an alpine butterfly hitch. Almost anything can be made to look unsafe when taken away from its design parameters. Tosser
Phil Menzies ... Dear Mr Menzies , I thought it was only me that was inundated with these crap people trying to complicate a simple effective hitch that sailed & discovered the world as we know it today .... cheers and thank u from new zealand..