if u know how to aim and have basic positioning u can just sit 70m away and click on heads, her problem is that the maps and lack of a second tank lets her get away with murder, literally.
@@sonny3946 last time i checked winton doesn't have a 70m long jump. but this honestly doesn't matter anymore since sombra is getting buffed and widow is getting her hp back to 175 so yeah sombra can actually kill widow now and widow is not gonna be as strong, even the game devs said the felt she was too strong lol
@@iSuckAtGamesGG then again most maps inst even that long. only map i can really think of that for me playing widow and no one can really dive me is the first part of junker town.
@@sonny3946 Yeah that's true in metal ranks that's about it. In metal ranks, widow isn't a problem and for good reason. The players have bad positioning and they can't aim. Nobody low rank is complaining about widow... "just go dive" doesn't work in higher ranks
These people wanting her one shot gone obviously have never played a fps game before. One shotting to the head is literally the ENTIRE point of a sniper. The difference between her and other one shots is she has way less utility other than her one shot. Hog could tank really well and the hook was super easy to land even for noobs, sojourn had mobility and could draw people out with her grenade thing. The only thing most of widows kit does is help her hit those headshots and the trap is useful but nothing broken.
@@catalyst2155 over watch is not your typical fps. 1 shots like widow don't belong in this game simply because of 5v5 now a single pick has a tonne more value than in overwatch 1
@@catalyst2155 Widow makes support heals feel useless.. you can't heal someone who gets one-tapped. And now we only get 1 tank in the team, so if that one tank picks someone without a shield, the other 4 members finna get one-tapped by that purple b!tch..
@@hishamadamu9889 She is so easy to counter though unlike hog and Sojourn were. Shields and cover lower her value substantially. I think if they make it so she can only one shot if she let's her gun charge to 100 percent and maybe give her some bullet drop or something. It would slow her down a bit without taking away the fact that she is a sniper. And making her shots harder to land means that widow would still be good just less people would play her because they wouldn't be able to.
I agree except for Hanzo. The arrow is a slow moving projectile with a long charge. He’s only viable with one shot capability, but the hit box could be ever so slightly smaller. I’d rather the hit box be only the size of an ear bigger than the arrow itself on either side.
The widow crying is unreal, it's the same as sniper in TF2. IF someone is good enough to consistently kill you, you play around it. Neither characters are invincible.
What people don’t understand is that being overpowered isn’t a bad thing, only being overpowered with a low skill floor. The pro level heroes SHOULD be overpowered because the harder you have to work to make them viable the more viable they should be.
@@gummygrenade how? ur saying getting a headshot with ashe is harder than doing so on widow? i actually think its the opposite way around since widow has a better scope also genji is way harder to play than widow yet u get way less value out of genji than widow
@@iSuckAtGamesGG Yes, it’s easier with Ashe because she shoots faster and it’s harder to trace her bullets if you’re the enemy. And Genji gets plenty of value.
i think its fair. i mean its hard to get to a widow thats really far away and if you do get to her youll actually have a chance at killing her now before she gets peel. and it will seperate the good aim only widows, from the good game sense AND good aim widows imo
there're 3 reason why widow are stong 1.sniper one shot in the head in other shooting game are fine cause all gun are hitscan,or all gun are projectile so it ok to fight against sniper but in ow half of the gun are projectile some are hitscan with dmg falloff some are limited range projectile and some hero don't even have gun to shoot, then we got this hitscan one shot from max range. 2.dev don't want counter pick but widow is literally absolute counter to all projectile with limited range and hero with only melee. 3. in order to be good at this game you need good position good cooldown management aim mapknowledge etc but widow require none of that all you need is good aim and basic position of sitting far away in the back.
The funny thing about widows is that it takes skill to be good at her. But against a good widow there's not much counterplay. They nerfed her hp but she's still really strong. I dont want them to nerf her damage tho, it would render her useless. Maybe maps need more cover idk
For context a charged shot is 300 to head. This nukes every dps and support except for 3 due to their sheild health and my God are 450 hp tanks gonna suffer against that
Her charged headshot should be 250 damage. Still a one shot on every squishy but not so terrible against tanks. Also yes, the maps need more cover, flanks, and alt routes.
@@gummygrenade snipers in cod takes skill to be good with so people think that they arn't broken, the problem is that they are but it just takes skill to use the broken weapon. same thing is happening with widow imo, but she isn't as nearly as broken to use as cod snipers, it was just a comparison
It doesn't matter that shes a sniper, A hitscan ranged hero who can one shot doesn't fit a 5v5 environment, they got away with it in 6v6 because 1 pick didn't lose the team fight, completely different in 5v5
what i would do is put her back to 175 hp, and make it to where she gets a laser sight when she scopes in. it would make her 1 shot feel less annoying and give u the option to counterplay her before u even die. like when we are playing junkertown 1st point what usually happens is we get rolled because widow is sitting so far that she is undiveable and she just headshots my team. but as soon as we get second point we start rolling the enemy team because the widow can't sit 70 meters away lol
what laser? u want a big red ray from her riffle rofl? or just a dot? the TF2 sniper have a laser dot, and it is easy to hide it. Widow have a loud shoot sound and a bullet trace. Its more than a laser dot.
@@bykvojezkabykvojedov8909 the bullet tracer is only useful when she misses, its literally usless if ur dead lmao. i was thinking more of a semi transparent red laser thats not glowing. a dot like the sniper has in tf2 would also work imo
Widow is balanced, if someone is extremely good at her then you can just cry or be careful, not like they need to nerf her cause someone has good aiming?
overwatch should be more than good aiming tho, i would nerf her by putting her back to 175 hp like she used to be, and hiving her a laser sight when she scopes. its nothing too crazy but it would make her more than a headshot bot
She is OP because the game is 5v5 now and one pick often decides the team fight, it was different in 6v6 because one pick didn't decide team fights, one shots are unhealthy and need to be removed, especially considering she can just sit back and do fuck all and just click on heads, its not a problem as much in Low elos but as soon as you get to Masters to GM it just ruins the games balance
I won’t say she’s not balanced, but even if she is a sniper. Getting 1 shot from across the map is hella annoying especially in a rank like this. She’s frustrating as to play against once someone actually masters them like kenzo. I’m not saying she’s broken but widow definitely needs a rework.
For real. People keep saying "just pick Winston or Ball!" Nigga only 1 member of the team can pick those! The rest get one-shotted as soon as they peak corners
Imo 1 shots should just be removed all together and thats coming from a hanzo main, it doesnt matter if the character is "balanced" when it makes the game impossible to enjoy, if I see a widow or hanzo on the enemy team I immediately know I'm gonna get pissed at getting one tapped out of nowhere lmao
One shots ruin the game They should do the same they did to sojourn to widow and hanzo, 195 damage on a headshot. Meaning you have to hear 1 fully charged head plus a tiny bodyshot. Gives you time to run/get healed. Counter play!
@@RoyalJester17 Because the others heroes ARE NOT SNIPERS lol. It's a shooter game, so... u have to learn how to aim, tracking and reaction. Team Fortress is not a competitive game, just being alive for his casual community. Ow 2 is a competitive game and people want to improve. If u don't want to learn, just go and play Team Fortress 2.
people think she should get nerfed because theyre thinking of hogs oneshot and how that was op. hog had 600 hp and widow has 200 lmao. widow is so counterable
@@fangyang8465i have no idea why you would bring this up but to answer your question he can tell his dps to switch to sombra, genji or widow. Or he can swith to ramatra or orisa.
I think i have played against you earlier tonight, (about 2,5 hours ago,) you were playing as genji and we were getting rekt completely 🤣 couldn't even get out of spawn lol
Widow and hanzo are the most balanced, or even the weakest characters in the game. They require a lot of skill. I started playing widow lately due to kenzo, and let me tell you, for someone who sucks at aiming, she’s hard as hell to play. Being able to perfectly flick for headshots or trace for headshots isnt easy. Hanzo is harder since with him you have to predict your shot, since he has bullet drop. People who hate them for being able to 1 shot are just bad. They are snipers. Thats what they do.
"People who hate them for being able to 1 shot are just bad." That's the most subjective gold take I've heard in a while. Widow can be one of the most oppessive in high elo considering her 1 shot and range, not like you would understand considering you have bad aim. Since overwatch introduced 5v5, opposed to 6v6, that has indirectly buffed the hero becuause there's one less tank to contest her.
@@chthussy widow is very oppressive in high elo. since overwatch has transitioned to 5v5, that leaves one less tank to contest widow, meaning widow has less pressure on her. even her existing prevents people from peaking/contesting her bc she can one shot
@@chthussy every support except brig dies to a widow one shot, tanks have to get to the widow which is frustrating to do when u have 4 ppl blocking u while ur team mates are getting killed So it’s either one of ur team mates play a character to bully the widow out from her spot or you have to fight your way through to close the gap
She's legit easy lol. I ain't saying she takes no skill but you just click heads and that's all lol. I main mercy and Kiriko and widow is legit free value in most games. Tbf thats because no one wants to die instantly so people ignore her way too much. She needs to be hunted down. Which is why I go kiriko. I'm a hell of an assassin kiriko. Creep over and kill widow or if shes good and evasive just waste her time and that helps your team. Just don't die to her, they get cocky. Cocky widows are the scariest.
She has the most linear connection between player skill and character viability
if u know how to aim and have basic positioning u can just sit 70m away and click on heads, her problem is that the maps and lack of a second tank lets her get away with murder, literally.
@@iSuckAtGamesGG you realise you have 2 dives in a team the widow basically cannot play the game. go winton and genji gg go next.
@@sonny3946 last time i checked winton doesn't have a 70m long jump. but this honestly doesn't matter anymore since sombra is getting buffed and widow is getting her hp back to 175 so yeah sombra can actually kill widow now and widow is not gonna be as strong, even the game devs said the felt she was too strong lol
@@iSuckAtGamesGG then again most maps inst even that long. only map i can really think of that for me playing widow and no one can really dive me is the first part of junker town.
@@sonny3946 Yeah that's true in metal ranks that's about it. In metal ranks, widow isn't a problem and for good reason. The players have bad positioning and they can't aim. Nobody low rank is complaining about widow...
"just go dive" doesn't work in higher ranks
These people wanting her one shot gone obviously have never played a fps game before. One shotting to the head is literally the ENTIRE point of a sniper. The difference between her and other one shots is she has way less utility other than her one shot. Hog could tank really well and the hook was super easy to land even for noobs, sojourn had mobility and could draw people out with her grenade thing. The only thing most of widows kit does is help her hit those headshots and the trap is useful but nothing broken.
its unhealthy for the game lol
@@hishamadamu9889 How is it unhealthy for an fps game to have a sniper?
@@catalyst2155 over watch is not your typical fps. 1 shots like widow don't belong in this game simply because of 5v5 now a single pick has a tonne more value than in overwatch 1
@@catalyst2155 Widow makes support heals feel useless.. you can't heal someone who gets one-tapped. And now we only get 1 tank in the team, so if that one tank picks someone without a shield, the other 4 members finna get one-tapped by that purple b!tch..
@@hishamadamu9889 She is so easy to counter though unlike hog and Sojourn were. Shields and cover lower her value substantially. I think if they make it so she can only one shot if she let's her gun charge to 100 percent and maybe give her some bullet drop or something. It would slow her down a bit without taking away the fact that she is a sniper. And making her shots harder to land means that widow would still be good just less people would play her because they wouldn't be able to.
That 175hp nerf coming in hot
she has a lot of counters she’s definitely balanced. also you need to be good at the game to play her well
Yea just go winston/dva and time ur boosts/jumps on her right and she can’t play the game
but devs dont want counter picking to be a thing, widow legit forces counter picking, also oneshot hitscan makes no sense
@@haku7828 they buffed Orisa earlier this season as a counter pick to hog being bonkers lol
@@haku7828 i mean- snipers in games in general are supposed to one shot people if they get a headshot lol
wow i didn't know winston can jump across the whole 1st point of junkertown lol
When i get humbled by a good widow I’m not even mad, i just respect the skills, if it was that easy everyone would be out here pulling hs
Every other gm game is run by a widowmaker rn
@@IIkaine where’s ur evidence doe?💀
@@IIkaineBro misspelled Sojourn 💀
@@chthussy I’m in GM and widow ruins the rank. All you need is good aim, she kinda just skips the good game sense part.
Good widows are just terrifying, not just the ones that can nail HSs, but ones that use the most bizzare and unexpected angles to rack them picks.
Now that hogs nerfed people complain about widow now
Widow should be the only character capable of oneshoting
I agree except for Hanzo. The arrow is a slow moving projectile with a long charge. He’s only viable with one shot capability, but the hit box could be ever so slightly smaller. I’d rather the hit box be only the size of an ear bigger than the arrow itself on either side.
The widow crying is unreal, it's the same as sniper in TF2. IF someone is good enough to consistently kill you, you play around it. Neither characters are invincible.
She is getting nerfed for good reason tbf
@@jfudge9732 and for what reason?
@@user-qd5sz1bo1p snipers have to have a less health bc their oneshot
@@sombrabestdps fair enough
Tf2 sniper is insanely broken
Lmaooo and here I was thinking a couple weeks ago maining widow on console would reap me the same results time🙄
i fell for that too 😔
I’m not a great sniper… but I have the awareness that if I’m versing a great sniper I have to change it up
do you recommend to play on multiple accounts?
Playing against a good sniper is annoying in any game, but I know that they put an insane amount of time into mastering them
What people don’t understand is that being overpowered isn’t a bad thing, only being overpowered with a low skill floor. The pro level heroes SHOULD be overpowered because the harder you have to work to make them viable the more viable they should be.
@@gummygrenade the problem is that a gm widow is way more impactful than a gm ashe
@@iSuckAtGamesGG Because Ashe is more effective at a lower level. See?
@@gummygrenade how? ur saying getting a headshot with ashe is harder than doing so on widow? i actually think its the opposite way around since widow has a better scope
also genji is way harder to play than widow yet u get way less value out of genji than widow
@@iSuckAtGamesGG Yes, it’s easier with Ashe because she shoots faster and it’s harder to trace her bullets if you’re the enemy. And Genji gets plenty of value.
That mercy definitely has seen some shit
Sombra damage buff plus widow health reduction was best news ever for widow counter
She will still be good, but now they can’t complain she has no counters overall big W
@@OmniJohnny yeah I like the nerf, she’s still gonna be extremely powerful and oppressive as fuck but atleast I can shred her a little faster.
What do you think about the widow nerf for the next season?
i think its fair. i mean its hard to get to a widow thats really far away and if you do get to her youll actually have a chance at killing her now before she gets peel. and it will seperate the good aim only widows, from the good game sense AND good aim widows imo
whats happening to her? i cant find anything about it
@@reverently 175 hp
@@reverently 175 hp
I love u kenzo, You are the idol that made me play widow.
Now with the new nerf im pretty sure people will keep crying #widowmakerthebesthero
I do think that the hook she has with 200hp was REALLY good and kinda bullshit, 175hp is good or 200hp but another power instead of the hook
@@7dana474 Yes, I do think the grapple is a bit of an issue, but no one complains about that.
Yo kenzo what is that mouse pad it looks cool
Everytime i see your vids i feel good it is the most enjoy i ever got
deadly is the real name
there're 3 reason why widow are stong
1.sniper one shot in the head in other shooting game are fine cause all gun are hitscan,or all gun are projectile so it ok to fight against sniper but in ow half of the gun are projectile some are hitscan with dmg falloff some are limited range projectile and some hero don't even have gun to shoot, then we got this hitscan one shot from max range.
2.dev don't want counter pick but widow is literally absolute counter to all projectile with limited range and hero with only melee.
3. in order to be good at this game you need good position good cooldown management aim mapknowledge etc but widow require none of that all you need is good aim and basic position of sitting far away in the back.
The funny thing about widows is that it takes skill to be good at her. But against a good widow there's not much counterplay.
They nerfed her hp but she's still really strong. I dont want them to nerf her damage tho, it would render her useless. Maybe maps need more cover idk
For context a charged shot is 300 to head. This nukes every dps and support except for 3 due to their sheild health and my God are 450 hp tanks gonna suffer against that
Her charged headshot should be 250 damage. Still a one shot on every squishy but not so terrible against tanks. Also yes, the maps need more cover, flanks, and alt routes.
@@gummygrenade snipers in cod takes skill to be good with so people think that they arn't broken, the problem is that they are but it just takes skill to use the broken weapon. same thing is happening with widow imo, but she isn't as nearly as broken to use as cod snipers, it was just a comparison
What’s your dpi on widowmaker
May i ask can u show your tattoo and does it have a meaning?
Thank god she’s getting nerfed, one tank makes her super bursted
i love how no one ever says anything about hanzo
I love the videos they make my day better and better
You happy now Kenzo? You got our widow nerfed :(
thanks for the vid man
11:38
What a fuckin' shot!
What’s your dpi and sens for widow maker
nerf genji again plz
is that a junkrat complaining about widow🤯while playin the single most braindead hero in the game
Imo junk at a high level is more skillful than widow
It must be very annoying to have someone pick your main and then not pull their weight in the match :(
There is no point complaining about SNIPERS hitting headshots, it is their role
i agree
petition to let Ana have headshots too!
@@lune-3214 Ana is not a DPS and she shoots darts
It doesn't matter that shes a sniper, A hitscan ranged hero who can one shot doesn't fit a 5v5 environment, they got away with it in 6v6 because 1 pick didn't lose the team fight, completely different in 5v5
@@noahldejong dont cry
First they nerf hog and now widow ? Why !!!
Thank fucking god.
Hog was overpowered
of cause it's the junkrat player
what i would do is put her back to 175 hp, and make it to where she gets a laser sight when she scopes in. it would make her 1 shot feel less annoying and give u the option to counterplay her before u even die.
like when we are playing junkertown 1st point what usually happens is we get rolled because widow is sitting so far that she is undiveable and she just headshots my team. but as soon as we get second point we start rolling the enemy team because the widow can't sit 70 meters away lol
they are changing it back to 175
what laser? u want a big red ray from her riffle rofl? or just a dot?
the TF2 sniper have a laser dot, and it is easy to hide it.
Widow have a loud shoot sound and a bullet trace. Its more than a laser dot.
@@bykvojezkabykvojedov8909 the bullet tracer is only useful when she misses, its literally usless if ur dead lmao. i was thinking more of a semi transparent red laser thats not glowing. a dot like the sniper has in tf2 would also work imo
i feel like now since they nerfed her range they should give her 200 hp back since she’s forced to get close to the field
Widow is 🥵🥵
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Widow is balanced, if someone is extremely good at her then you can just cry or be careful, not like they need to nerf her cause someone has good aiming?
overwatch should be more than good aiming tho, i would nerf her by putting her back to 175 hp like she used to be, and hiving her a laser sight when she scopes. its nothing too crazy but it would make her more than a headshot bot
@@iSuckAtGamesGG got your wish
@@untitled1245 half of my wish, but beggers can't be choosers lol
thats the definition of not balanced...
@@iSuckAtGamesGG Ow still being a shooter, it's obvious that you're gonna destacate if you have good aim, and that's basically Widow's fortress
I hate play against widow but she's not OP people cry too much, was the same thing with genji when he was ""OP"" because of the dps passive
She is OP because the game is 5v5 now and one pick often decides the team fight, it was different in 6v6 because one pick didn't decide team fights, one shots are unhealthy and need to be removed, especially considering she can just sit back and do fuck all and just click on heads, its not a problem as much in Low elos but as soon as you get to Masters to GM it just ruins the games balance
@@noahldejong So, learn to aim and stop crying.
Kenzo,I beg you in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth to make some livestreams that are for everyone and not for subs only 😢
I won’t say she’s not balanced, but even if she is a sniper. Getting 1 shot from across the map is hella annoying especially in a rank like this. She’s frustrating as to play against once someone actually masters them like kenzo. I’m not saying she’s broken but widow definitely needs a rework.
For all those saying just counter her, it’s pretty hard to in a rank like this.
For real. People keep saying "just pick Winston or Ball!"
Nigga only 1 member of the team can pick those! The rest get one-shotted as soon as they peak corners
Imo 1 shots should just be removed all together and thats coming from a hanzo main, it doesnt matter if the character is "balanced" when it makes the game impossible to enjoy, if I see a widow or hanzo on the enemy team I immediately know I'm gonna get pissed at getting one tapped out of nowhere lmao
do you think one shots by dps heros belong in overwatch?
Yea
Yeah but only for characters who need it to be viable (widow, hanzo, etc)
Yea. The only time it’s annoying is when the player is good. And they have a lot of counters
Yes
It’s an fps…
One shots ruin the game
They should do the same they did to sojourn to widow and hanzo, 195 damage on a headshot.
Meaning you have to hear 1 fully charged head plus a tiny bodyshot. Gives you time to run/get healed. Counter play!
The better nerf is putting a laser on her gun so you know where she is and if you're going to die removing her one shot kills her charecter
that makes widow completely unviable
its a fucking sniper, they have to do a oneshot headshot lol. Skill issues.
@@sombrabestdps why? Other hero shooters don't do that.
The game ow is based on, team fortress, the sniper does not oneshot.
Brain issue?
@@RoyalJester17 Because the others heroes ARE NOT SNIPERS lol. It's a shooter game, so... u have to learn how to aim, tracking and reaction.
Team Fortress is not a competitive game, just being alive for his casual community. Ow 2 is a competitive game and people want to improve. If u don't want to learn, just go and play Team Fortress 2.
Good video!
people think she should get nerfed because theyre thinking of hogs oneshot and how that was op. hog had 600 hp and widow has 200 lmao. widow is so counterable
what hog gonna do while widow oneshot ppl cross the map?...
@@fangyang8465 that... wasnt what they were saying
@@fangyang8465i have no idea why you would bring this up but to answer your question he can tell his dps to switch to sombra, genji or widow. Or he can swith to ramatra or orisa.
@@alfiekennedy1657 sorry none of these can counter widow(her one shot ability) and only think hog can do to deal with it is not playing hog..great.
@@alfiekennedy1657 in short, i dont agree that widow is counterable,only thing we can do is hoping she misses heads but hoping is not countering
I think i have played against you earlier tonight, (about 2,5 hours ago,) you were playing as genji and we were getting rekt completely 🤣 couldn't even get out of spawn lol
Widow and hanzo are the most balanced, or even the weakest characters in the game. They require a lot of skill. I started playing widow lately due to kenzo, and let me tell you, for someone who sucks at aiming, she’s hard as hell to play. Being able to perfectly flick for headshots or trace for headshots isnt easy. Hanzo is harder since with him you have to predict your shot, since he has bullet drop. People who hate them for being able to 1 shot are just bad. They are snipers. Thats what they do.
Calling a top tier dps one the weakest characters in the game just bc your ass at aiming is weird.
Haha no
"People who hate them for being able to 1 shot are just bad." That's the most subjective gold take I've heard in a while. Widow can be one of the most oppessive in high elo considering her 1 shot and range, not like you would understand considering you have bad aim. Since overwatch introduced 5v5, opposed to 6v6, that has indirectly buffed the hero becuause there's one less tank to contest her.
Look at leaderboards theres so many widow players you cant call her weak
@@johannlemberg2526 bro, you’re bad, just get good
I think she is the most balanced character in the game
Shes kinda nuts and the most balanced charecter is probably sigma tbh
widow is too oppressive in ow2
skill issue
@@chthussy widow is very oppressive in high elo. since overwatch has transitioned to 5v5, that leaves one less tank to contest widow, meaning widow has less pressure on her. even her existing prevents people from peaking/contesting her bc she can one shot
whats the point having tank/support roles if some heroes just one shot ppl....?
because those tank/supports can counter the one shot?
@@chthussy every support except brig dies to a widow one shot, tanks have to get to the widow which is frustrating to do when u have 4 ppl blocking u while ur team mates are getting killed
So it’s either one of ur team mates play a character to bully the widow out from her spot or you have to fight your way through to close the gap
She's legit easy lol. I ain't saying she takes no skill but you just click heads and that's all lol. I main mercy and Kiriko and widow is legit free value in most games. Tbf thats because no one wants to die instantly so people ignore her way too much. She needs to be hunted down. Which is why I go kiriko. I'm a hell of an assassin kiriko. Creep over and kill widow or if shes good and evasive just waste her time and that helps your team. Just don't die to her, they get cocky. Cocky widows are the scariest.
Dva is unbalanced as fuck , you have to kill her 2x but if she gets her Mech back , you have to kill her another 2x and that would be 4x