Can We Build the Ultimate SAAB TURBO ???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Episode 193
The Saab project gets under way, and we catch up on the latest with Cal, Nat, Marc, Richard & the rest of the team!
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Project Wasaabi, someone likes watching Mighty Car Mods 😂
I hope nobody is ever comparing Retropower to the two comedians at MCM.
Immediately thought of them too. Their Wasaabi ate up a bit less money though.
@@freddofrosch1They called it upon them Wasaabi-ing it 😂
Same thought here😂
Unfortunately Wassabi was very poorly done. I did try to advise them but sadly they ignored everything i suggested. Paul @ The SAAB Clinic.
Columbo reference for the more mature viewer. Brilliant!
You know when you’ve made the perfect cup of tea but can’t get round to drinking it before it’s cold. Nats piece today.
Yeh first ! ☕️ in hand hope everyone is well 🇬🇧👍🏻 superb video guys as usual with some really cool projects , looking forward to progress ! 👍🏻😉🇬🇧
Saab renderings look amazing, will make one hell of a car
Don't like the looks of Saabs, but THIS profile rendition on this week's top page, is STUNNING!
awesome as usual , however , are Nats eyebrows growing at a silly rate , they are beginning to look like Dennis Healeys
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The Interceptors Hvac unit looks brilliant. Looks 'factory'. The Saab could really be your best-looking project yet! Gonna be stunning. Can I ask? If you are bining so much of the body work, what's the craic with the vehicles I.D? VIN, etc? Will it still officially be recognised as a SAAB by the powers that be?
No it’ll be put through an IVA (individual vehicle approval) test, and registered as a Retropower. It then gets assigned the reg plate of a brand new car; but you’re allowed to put any plate on car provided it doesn’t make the car appear *newer*. So the original registration plate number can put on retainer and placed on the car when the builds finished.
@Jonathan_Doe_ thanks bud
As always a great video, on the Audi donor for the Saab wouldn't a car of the Audi's age contain a fair bit of weld through structural adhesive in the underbody seams, are you not worried about losing this when you pyro it?
i just want to say that you have a aswome shop and some awsome cars! im building my saab 96 2stroke (1963) into a classic gp car. but first it needs to drive :)
It will probably be a very cool car but it can never be the Ultimate if it doesn´t have a SAAB engine.
SAAB used Triumph engines anyway, so I don't think it really matters
@@mattclarke6773 If they use a new Audi engine they can use the B2x4 T5 engines that was in NG900/OG9-3 that is a SAAB engine also even if it's a Triumph engine it was what the 900 came with which makes it a SAAB engine.
@@mattclarke6773 Also they created the B-engine TOGETHER with Triumph and later did the H-engine that was an evolution of the B-engine and was in the 900 by themselves in Södertälje Sweden.
@tetepeb yes, but they're 4 cylinder engines and I'm not sure if they reliably make large hp. A B235r engine can make big power but only with aftermarket/tuning company parts, then you get into reliability issues.
A VAG DAZA 5 cylinder engine is probably best or newer.
@@mattclarke6773 A B204 makes 500hp without breaking a sweat or opening the longblock and with the money these projects cost, having it rebuildt with forged parts and balance and so one is not a big cost for reliability. We Swedes now how to tune these engines, even the old T16 engines can make good hp reliably but not as well as the T5.
The proportions of the Scimitar and the Saab seem very similar, -(from this side of the camera)..
The Sabb project...Cold War Motors just started on an other splice project to bring one old rusty car back using the chassis and part of the body of one and the upper panels of another..no fancy scanning over there just a different way and level of end product !
Why is land cruiser still in shop ?
oops was watching just as mentiond about leak lol
Beautiful
Saab Meets Porsche 935, I like it.
Go to the tool icon in the top right bar and turn down the playback speed to 0.5x … takes Nate’s explanations to a whole new and fun level ! You’re welcome 😂
Engineering the hell out of bad idea to make it work. Ladies and gentlemen I give you the Porsche 911……..
i’d love to see what you could do with an SD1 and a Stag.
Think you need some microphones, really quiet this week.
Yes i guess number ONE would be to make it RWD or 4wd?
I’m with Nat on the German engineering. The ultimate example, I think, is the 911. A fundamentally bad design that has been engineered to achieve perfect benchmark performance.
Gonna be interesting to see how you tackle the clamshell bonnet line on the saab - it's an awkward problem that ruins most wide-arch saab projects... Render looks fantastic, though.
Nat you’re a man after my own heart when you talk about suspect German design and then engineering the hell out of it to make it work ,ahem, “properly”,,,, there’s no better example as the Porsche 911. Adrian Newey said in his book “How to Build a Car” that he had no fancy for a 911 whatsoever. Engine slung out the back end and concrete in the front bumper!! Not quite high technology to solve a problem but Porsche got away with it for a while. I would have a Porsche Boxster in a heartbeat,,,, a 911? not a chance.
BOOM 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Yes, convert it to rear wheel drive.
You are welcome.
If you put a Saab body onto an Audi you will have achieved nothing useful. Potential customers might as well buy the Audi instead
Are they not building exactly what the Customer wants🤔
Think is what a “custom” build involves….it’s custom
@@davidashton8021 but if the customer is discarding most of the Saab original, why bother ? There must be a better and more cost effective way to obtain an Audi that looks like a teenagers concept car idea where the dream was based on an old Saab production body but will ultimately be almost 100% new.
A waste of time and effort?
Forgot to mention loving the choice of colour with a harvest Gold only one paint shade
could possibly better and that's Leland hearing aid beige .l
@@grantp7975 don’t get me wrong, as a Saab 900 owner I’d normally be very dubious about binning almost everything. But from what I can tell from episodes so far, the concept is to maintain the quirky spirit of a 900 Turbo (hence the offbeat 5 cyl, turbo’d, not the usual big old V8 etc). I think the Audi part is irrelevant. If the right sized chassis and motor had been available from another brand, they’d have mated it with that. So it’s still a Saab in spirit .
I still think it ought to be called Saaudi.
With how thirsty 5 cylinders are, naming it after an OPEC nation would be fitting.
PIF
The Saab looks like it's going to be a stunning retromodded car just like the rest of the cars you build. I loved my Saab 95.
I've had 96, 99,900 and 9000 loved them heart broken when they stopped making them. Have not included vauxhall saabs, crap.
@@paulbriant4693 the 93 and 95 were meant to heavily based on the gm vectra running gear to save on costs but Saab changed so much of the platform. They even refused to use even the sat nav system because they believe their system to be better. Which having driven a vectra as it was badged here in the UK and having owned a 95 from 2000 to 2008 they were two very different driving experiences.
How is it there is 10k views now but only a thousand likes, come people. Well done retro power quality cars!!!
Nat's views on German engineering are so on point. Well said Nat.
Richard. What a score Retropower.
The total of all your team members continues to far exceed the sum.
Thank you for this channel.
I can remember a friend of mine missing a game of Sunday football. SAAB 900, father making up for lateness with his right foot, a humpback bridge and air. On impact the car folded writing it off. 😂 Nats friend wasn't the only one to bend a 900.
Thank you Nat for explaining about the air-con makeup,,,, and loosing me completely ten seconds after you started!! 🎵The knee bones connected to the thigh bone??🎵 I’m sure it’ll ALL fit together Nat 😂😂
_Eye bone / thigh bone!_
Like to go have a pint with Mark sometime
Bet that would be a hoot
He might not understand my Texas drawl
I will come over and a have a beer 😜
That render looks amazing! Looking forward to this build!
I guess the British summer is much like the Finnish; it's the best day of the year!
Indeed
So much to take in. One of your best episodes yet, such a mad variety! I love the way the more outlandish projects (Saab and Allegro) actually end up making some sort of sense.
A Saab900 with an Audi "angry wasp" under the bonnet - that's going to sound better than outlandish, if not stunning 🙂
Richards new sewing machine looks mightily impressive for £12.50 off Marketplace! Nice buy Nat!
Very excited about the SAAB Audi. The 5 cylinder turbo engine has a DAZA code.
My only concern is that the S4 front drive shafts emerge from the front of the gearbox and therefore the engines hang out over the front of the front axle. It is almost impossible to correct the horrendous understeer that results.
Is there anyway you can push the front axle/ wheels forward to address this? May have been better to get a TTRS front subframe and mount the 5 cylinder transversely?
Nat I absolutely agree with your dismay at manufactured engineering faults , when I worked at a Saab dealer back in the early 2000’s I had a conversation with a guy at the academy who said it was a constant battle between the designers and engineers around trying to keep things making sense for those of us who have to work on the the cars post production… I presume it’s still an argument that carries on to this day !! . Great work you guys are doing 👍.
I agree totally I worked for seat for a number of years and the conversations we had with management about that subject was on a regular basis normally that they engendered some.thing then basically built the car around it, the fact that the offending part took a short time to change but stripping the car down to gain access and putting back together was possibly 6 hours
Ease of build at the point of manufacturing will likely be far more important to the company than ease of possible maintenance some years down the road. For a start they would rather sell new then fix old and have to consider manufacturing and carrying stock of all sorts of batches of components that may or may not be used. Ever.
If you look at global vehicle regulations and the rate at which they change, manufacturers might conclude that regulation induced obsolescence will kick in within about 10 years even if they can make something capable of lasting 20 or more years with only regular consumables items maintenance for, say, 95% of the production and sales in any particular market.
So if you design something for fitting in an obscure place but don't really expect it to fail within the expected service lifetime of the vehicle or the part of the vehicle it is fitted to (i.e. an engine that might be expected to require a significant rebuild or replacement by the time the component life is over) it would not be logical to place great emphasis on ease of maintenance for the component.
On the other hand if the component or design (like timing belts running in oil?) is inherently flawed when put to everyday usage tests, one might make a different argument in full glare of the results of practical use.
Back in the day many engines were thought to be doing well if they reached 50k miles without too much rebuilding work. But they were quite simple to work on.
Now we expect much longer lives but regulations make them far more complex and so force compromise on matters of design. The result may be a greatly foreshortened life for the vehicle before it heads to the recycling facility.
A difficult to change small component and the high cost of such work will contribute to that shorter life. The political rule makers may be delighted by such an outcome.
I am a huge Saab fan but that “frankensaab ” is going to be an amazing car, can’t wait for the next episode
I don’t know if this is a sensitive question…. but I keep wondering how you seem to have gone full circle on the upholstery?
It seemed that you started with Dean as an in house trimmer, then he moved to his own premises ? Seemed to start doing other work ? Then you brought Richard in .. as an in house trimmer with the plan to offer his services out for doing other work ?
I suppose it’s none of my business - but I do keep wondering what the story is and whether you’ll still have work for Dean going forwards.
We had a 1976 reg Allegro in Antique Gold (reg. WGJ12R) which was only 10 away from the Triumph TR7 in the Detectorists TV series (reg. WGJ22R) quite likely sold by the same Leyland dealership.. I was thinking perhaps a hint of metallic or flake might be worth experimenting with I don't have a clue about paint but it is a particularly revolting colour in standard form.
Really looking forward to the mating of the SAAB and AUDI the ingenuity involved in the process is fascinating.
Churchill diamonds looking great!
On the re--engined SAAB to a 5 cyl turbo Audi engine , why not a FORD FOCUS 5 cyl turbo engine and chassis?
Coz ford's are shit??
@TheOriginalDaveJ it's actually a volvo
Because that is originally a Volvo engine, and if you put a Volvo engine in a Saab, your days are numbered!
@@BOLLOX64 it's also a transverse fwd while the saabs are set up like the fwd audis of old
Audi's are a good car, but if that Saab was mine, I think I'd be sitting it on an M series chassis. . .
@SavingSalvage will probably be interested in that V8.
As for the Saab parts, advertise them, plenty folk out there give you good money for them.
Man, I wish you guys were in Australia. I would love to come work for you.
I do have a British passport. Do you need a fastidious, ingenuitive mechanic?
I wish Australia had an equivalent workshop. Too many high end Australian workshops seem to only build a limited range/style/make of cars.
I have a mini van in harvest gold, terrible colour but some how a great colour
Don't tell Jonny Smith, but your baby poo Raptor appears to be the same colour as his aggro 😆
Me: "Door" is a single syllable word. RetroPowerCars: "Doo-oo-oo-ah"
07K is the code, presumably you're using the later aluminium block derivative? A VR6 would have been a good option too, again the later alloy block version is a bit lighter & they sound mega. I'm using an old style I5 20V in an older Audi project which is a bit of a boat anchor!
Yeah they'd want to use the alloy block version, those old Saabs were lead-tipped arrows with their factory 4 cylinder engine in them...
Can't wait to see Dave get involved, his RS001 build is bonkers!!!
So I did some looking into the DAZA to longitudinal gearbox, and as I suspected it appears to have the same difficulty as bolting the VW 2.5l 5 cylinder (an engine not sold in the UK but very popular in the US, and a relative of the DAZA). Namely the cam chain housing interferes with the top of the bellhousing. We generally solve it by cutting a piece out of the bellhousing, bolting them together, and fabricate an appropriate patch piece for the bellhousing and weld it in. The other main issue there, is none of the later 5 cylinder engines have a provision for an engine mount on the left side (when mounted longitudinally). Also a problem that's been solved, usually incorporating a mount into an aftermarket oil filter housing (iAbed Industries here in the US makes the filter housing)
Might want to acquire the DAZA and start looking into the fitment...
What happens to saab also the allegros regarding vin numbers ??
I think the guys need to address this matter at some point given the latest DVLA discussions on the current rules in place, people cannot keep sweeping it under the rug, it affects all modified cars including every road legal rally car and the likes of Singer, Alphaholics, Eagle E types etc etc, they simply do not meet the current UK registration rules for retaining the donor VIN and original V5 description. I am sure Retropower discuss it in depth with the owners prior to starting a project, and it is then ultimately the owners decision how they decide to put theirs cars on the road at the moment in the UK, post completion, but they could become expensive garage ornaments in the future.
Reply from @PS-ps8mo is very true.
There is also an insurance issue: many people seem hope that insurers are nice car nuts but in the real world they do their very best to avoid settlements.
A single vehicle inspection is also very unlikely to convince Police outside GB.
Shooosh. ❤
Cal honestly Austin Retropowers Oh Behave baby.
Richard that is some ravioli stitching just like mama used to make .
"Hey Mark, I have a B5 A4 needs an oil change. I hear the windscreen needs to come out to do so. You being a VAG master technician, fancy taking it on for me?"
I’m on my way 😂
I am hypnotised watching these familiar cars being revised Engineering problems recognised Solutions devised Cheers Guys
Several thoughts on this week's wonderful episode.
1. WaSaabi is a fabulous name for a spicy Swede.
2. Bobby has been a tremendous asset with his tool/jig/pattern making abilities
3. Nat, I hope you've learned that you should never piss off a painter
4. I share your sentiment about German cars, having endured many codependent and abusive relationships with older German machines, I finally had to switch to Japanese for my daily.
5. Richard is a very talented and creative trimmer. I like a craftsperson who says "sure, no problem."
wasaabi - what a nice nod to MCM
For the Saab project name, we kindly suggest Stig Carlsson or Eric Blomqvist.
anything but wassabi - name has been used at least 3 times on other peoples saab builds already
The Saab looks like it’s going to be amazing
Cant wait to see the process to get the finished vehicle
Keep up the fabulous work lads. 👍
Marc is a VAG master? Doesn't surprise me. Lads like that typically know their way around a VAG, all the ins and outs AND ups and downs.
If the Saab shell is not a good base for what you are expecting to achieve, why use it?
Based on that statement alone, could you refine the reason for the project taking the route that you have planned?
If the client wants a more technically advance 4wd chassis that happens to look like a Saab, why not simply hack the Audi body off the base vehicle and get someone to make a Saab lookalike to mount in whatever is left pluswhateve structural additions you feel are required?
Did you pay attention to what they said about using the entire Audi subframe, and how the Saab tin from the windscreen scuttle forwards and down is going in the metal skip? Think of the Integro/Allegra and what they did with that floorpan.
@@ChristopherHallett So the entire front will be nothing to do with the Saab and pretty much the only bit left, unless that too is later discarded, will be windscreen shape and the roof. Maybe the tailgate?
I'm reminded of the old story of someone asking for directions to go somewhere and the response that it would be better to start the journey somewhere else.
Might a well create a Saab themed body kit and mount it on an adapted Audi chassis.
Question possibly been answered before, the one of the project escorts is wearing an L plate as in 73 with the amount of engenering that’s gone into it, hasn’t it had to go for Iva as I should of thought as the allegros will
For the SAAB build, why didn't you use a 9-3 X SAAB? if you wanted a 4x4
Probably because the 9-3X is set up for a transverse engine whereas the Audi and 900 are both longitudinal mounted engines. And I imagine its just easier to get your hands on Audi body shells than for the 9-3
Marc, it looks like that is one genuine Audi, at least it has the proper Audi oil leaks. But if you say it's a good'un, then it must be.
No you cant ..
Loving the saab concept art ,its going to look and sound amazing -(we hope )
What a briliant episode - a superb array of skills plus some welcome insights into German engineering solutions.
Plenty of room for activities in the Saab engine bay
Would you consider taking on older cars with seperate chassis? Work could be done on the body while the chassis is modified to take substantially uprated running gear, suspension and brakes almost at the same time. I have in mind a Rover P4 with the engine and gearbox of an SD1 2600 or a BMW 5 series.
Unless you plan on the obligatory riot-gun mount, like the Police 900’s in Vail CO back in the 80’s, the build will be woefully incomplete.
Just a suggestion.
Sunday afternoon
Ready for the best entertainment around
Maybe too early for Bourbon
Probably better get a beer cause it’s 95 here in Texas
Too early for a bourbon? You need to move out of Texas, you're not tough enough to survive there.
Love the battery cosy 😁
I'm glad I stayed to the end - the quality of Richard's work is simply outstanding. Although whenever he speaks, I just can't help but check that I'm not standing on plastic*...
*one for the older film buff!
HAHAHA!!!! Richards touching cloth 🤣🤣🤣
I think an Audi / Saab is really strange. I am sure it is going to be great
A nice audi daza 5 cylinder without opf filters sounds fantastic and is as quick car
My 2004 S4 Avant 4.2 broken timing chain guides and blew up at 97k miles. absolute trash. Good riddance.
German engineering... Porsche Cayenne V10 diesel. Effectively, the procedure for replacing any accessory on the engine begins with "Remove engine..."
Trying to explain this to a customer is fun. "Sir, the engine is out for the xyz repair. Your vehicle has almost 100k miles. Given it looks a bit suspect, we recommend you replace the AC compressor now." Customer "No thanks, my wife will kill me if I spend any more."
3 months later, customer returns for AC check, "It's not cooling!" "Sir, your AC compressor has failed. The repair requires the removal of the engine."
So impressed with your work! The level of commitment is stunning (for example the 3D/CAD work amongst much more etc). Greetings from Australia.
Want to extend my thanks for the audio improvements noted these past couple of videos. Thanks!
Loving the sections on upholstery, keep it up.
I would love to see a whole upholstery episode on one of the projects
Having owned and lightly tuned some 25 SAABS over 25+ years I tend to agree. The 9000 were excellent but towing g with them usually ended up with the rear end of a 9000 pulling off! That happened 3 times. :(.
Had a couple of 900 Turbos in the early 90's and enjoyed them both immensely. Lots of unique design features if I recall, and extremely comfortable for the longer journeys. The price of petrol today you couldn't use one as a daily driver.
The German approach is to start with a slightly suspect design, and then engineer the hell out of it until it works...
Am I the only person to immediately think of the 911..?
Admit it people, come on....
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Hmmm.... So you're building a Saab but have thrown away the important bit to replace with some VAG crap?
Seems a bit backwards to me.
So the answer is....no, so we just reskinned an Audi, with all it's silly overcomplex suspension, but don't worry we didn't use the completely ridiculous engine. Well done i guess?
Hi Team ... brilliant channel .... can't believe you're not in the lillins of subscribers .... quick question if I may ... could you tell me a bit about your fly press ...it looks a monster ... what make/model is it please?
34:14 - "A slightly suspect design". Yeah, what were they thinking when they put the timing gear at the back of the engine? The dumbest idea on the planet.
Cherry red leather interior for jags of Churchill’s age , especially if your going for the chesterfield gentleman’s club look
If that saab looks like them renders with that powerplant! Sign me up. Wow!
A Question about the XJC, probably a little early. The door glass would pull away from the frame at speed, how will you improve that?
i was hoping the Saab was going to get the newer rs3 chassis with the i5 but that v8 is really nice, and low-key a Volvo swap from a awd i5 like a v70r keep it all Swedish
Saab being weak in the front is what made them safe for the occupants. Crumple zones absorb energy, not your noggin.
Would have rather seen a 2.3 liter Viggen/Aero engine, rather than the Audi. These engines can be tuned to put out serious power and are very durable.
Used to have a 900 turbo from 1983. It had a bit over 300hp on the wheels. Was a fun car
It’s interesting which cars customers think are worth spending big bucks on. More money than brains.
It is like the Sport Quattro 😲 But nicer! 😀 I subscribenow, this is so cool!