“The Shareholder” she keeps referring to is Cirrus’ parent company, AVIC, which is owned by the government of China. Translation: Cirrus is developing aircraft for the Chinese government. Ultimately Cirrus is a Chinese company now.
@@bruceatkinson5357 I hear you, but it's not like any American company stepped up to the plate to buy Cirrus. Was Cirrus distressed at the time they were purchased?
In February 2011, Cirrus was sold for US$210M to China Aviation Industry General Aircraft (CAIGA), a subsidiary of Aviation Industry Corporation, which is wholly owned by the Government of the People's Republic of China. Hard pass.
Too bad Textron refuses to innovate in the small piston market. They'll continue to make ancient 172s and 182s until they exit the market or go out of business.
@@Brimstin I’m in HVAC for 44 years now and sadly we suffer from non~USA made products. I wish we were more self contained as a country on our supply chain and manufacturing areas.
@@WhEE443 Hi WhEE. That's pretty sharp, and I like it. I thought it was cool how it was obvious that something important was missing but Paul was not going to fill the blank for us.
The issue here is that there is a dangerous trend by Chinese companies buying US and European companies to “access” their IP and knowledge and then once they have it, effectively mothball the original company, or leave it as a shell of its original self.
That's just the more obvious moves by the Chinese government. There are large venture capital companies operating in the US that are funded by the Chinese government that actively invest in a wide variety of American tech (often startups) including telecommunication equipment for the Pentagon, lab equipment for the Department of Commerce, space tech for NASA, renewable energy for the Energy Dept, electronics and communications equipment for the Pentagon, military machining tech for the US military, space technology for NASA, and a bunch more. Bottom line, China's early investment in the next generation of American tech (which gives China easy access to the inner workings of that tech) will help give China a huge advantage in the 21st century. Much of these deals fly totally under the radar, because the American startup's founders can get rich off these deals, and don't want the gravy train interrupted by American government oversight.
Don’t care for her tap dancing around that this will be used by the Chinese military. The kit SR22 is kind of dodgy too - it becomes a Chinese aircraft to build /market. Why was the sale of Cirrus to the Chinese approved? I have a sense that this will bite us in the future.
What you mean by approved? I don't think the FTC could've done anything to stop the sale. Cirrus is and always was a private company. It's a simple foreign investment deal. Epic (US) and Diamond (Austria) have also been bought by the chinese. Diamond even developed recently the DART trainer which will find its way to China in the near future.
This women's voice is positively grating, another of the sounds of Yapping Yorky canines (along with the Firing Line host, PBS News Anchor Amna Nawaz, Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett and now two generations of other females who should have learned to speak at the "timbre" of a Candace Bergen or, even, Barbara Walter's. Eesh ! Depressing.
It was very nice of the good people at Cirrus to discuss a product they aren't marketing to this audience. I hope they all can find good jobs in 20 years when AVIC guts Cirrus and offers their own reverse engineered competitor aircraft here for half the price.
Nobody needs a Part23 Cirrus SR10 3-seater like this one. That’s totally of market in the US and Europe. The LSA market is the future and coming up more and more. Cirrus doesn’t think about that market at all. A stupid mistake. A Cirrus SR 10 LSA 2-seater with Rotax 915 or 916 would be a blast. If they oversleep this opportunity, they are stupid in my opinion. The brand Cirrus is world wide well known. And they don’t think of this advantage in the LSA market. Now the Chinese make the rules and that is not always smart.
I tried to make it through this one but the Cirrus rep's pathological inability to answer a direct question got on my nerves. And I'm *far* from the target customer for that airplane.
@@publicmail2 Oh, I've no problem with the questions. Had they not been good questions - typical of Paul - then she might have felt she could answer them 😂
Ivy admits the SR 10 project is from Chinese state owned AVIC, and slips in a casual admission military training is involved. Rotax power makes sense because Zongshen already contracts with AVIC to make Rotax clones. Continental aircraft engine company is also owned by AVIC. Makes it a lot easier to make military trainers under economic sanctions.
Reading between the lines…feels like a foreign adversary used a work around to develop a new airplane for said adversary’s market via USA brainpower/horsepower….wonder what they have up their sleeve next? 🚨 🚨
Indeed. Cirrus is owned by a Chinese state-owned company under U.S. sanctions for aiding the Chinese military. Cirrus itself has avoided legal issues... so far.
@@BradleySpahn actually it's American software on hardware assembled in Vietnam by a Taiwanese company since assembly has shifted away from China due to geopolitical concerns with China.
Well Cirrus is Chinese owned which is one of the reasons behind its success and prevented cirrus bankruptcy. She talks about "Shareholders' with a kind of attitude. What I mis is all about the flight characteristics , its stall behaviour, if it is allowed to spin etc etc
As an ex student of business, I didn't fully understand what Ivy meant by "The Shareholder" either, do the CCP own shares in the company? I'd be VERY wary of trading with the CCP, very rarely, do, medium to long term, western companies come out of such deals well.
So, all the hemming and hawing from Cirrus' rep came down to a certain discomfort over the Chinese ownership discussion. Cirrus is probably right to be stealthy, given the market failure of the China-built Cessna Skycatcher. And while "woke" corporation customer backlash is a different discussion, consumers have discovered their power and are willing to flex it. A lower-priced Rotax-powered Cirrus might be the perfect entry aircraft for the company, but MOSAIC will likely change the entire landscape. What if the only distinction between an SR 10, and say a factory-build Sling TSI, is a negative perception of Cirrus, post Klapmeyer ownership? Notch it up a level and pit the drop-dead gorgeous Textron Italy-built Panthera and Chinese-owned Cirrus SR 22: will buyers care about things like human rights, spying and regional military aggression? Read the previous comments; American pilots tend to be patriotic and traditionally conservative, so my money says buyers will think twice.
I knew something was odd. I put it down to a "Cirrious" approach with no trademark dry humor, but you're right. The mustache fell off. Or maybe it melted down in FLA.
Almost 23 minutes of marketing speak, like getting an intravenous injection of ether into the carotid artery, then watch sand move and paint dry. Through all the fog we still don't know it's GW, EW, range........nada.
Got to be honest, have loved Cirrus the company for years now, but knowing that they are owned by the Chinese is quite disappointing. May have to rethink my support and purchase another one...
It seems like this interview could have been avoided with a press release explaining that the design and type certificate for the SR-10 was just a way to fast track approval of the foreign counterpart and that there are no plans to manufacture or sell it in the US because of the popularity of their other models.
@@galactictomato1434SR20s and now SR10s are pretty benevolent. They can also be used to train airline pilots. Other aircraft like the Diamond DART 750 however is definitely a military trainer akin to a Pilatus PC-9. Diamond, from Austria, is also Chinese owned.
She should stop saying "shareholder". AVIC owns Cirrus. Cirrus is a Chinese company now. Hard pass on Cirrus as a company. Sad, because Cirrus has done good work in the past.
I imagine that because US Cirrus doesn’t have the manufacturing capacity in the US this new model would have to be built in China, and as such, they don’t want to degrade the (comparatively) “high end” US brand perception by selling a made in China lower end aircraft in the US market. My guess/hope is that MOSAIC will bring lower price competition just below the SR20/22 in the US market, so it will be interesting to see how Cirrus responds, though there may be enough demand for them to simply keep chugging along.
@@flytoday The problem is with GA, no one can afford to build manufacturing capacity in anticipation of whatever demand there could conceivably be. In China the training market and pipeline are relatively fixed with big aviation academies pushing a certain number of cadets to the airlines, whereas flight school owners in the US and elsewhere are fickle and often say they want something, but decides not to buy when that 'something' appears on the market. Cirrus will go slow with the SR10, as existing US production capacity allows. It's a lower priced, lower margin product.
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I was waiting for the payload of the pilot optional version, and what sort of loiter time it had with the surveillance pod. All the kerfuffle over military pilot training, and we have guys in Duluth designing ChiCom aircraft under contract. But, really, it’s an SR10 that won’t be an SR10 but it looks like a small SR20, so really it’s just a training plane for their “institutional training fleets”.
The China Cirrus. I bet it's still over $400K. All new GA aircraft are to the point where no one in middle class or upper middle class can afford them. Thanks to regulation and lawsuits it's all off the chart expensive. Most of us will be flying 1970's Cessnas-Pipers until they fall apart. The industry will die a slow death. The funny thing is the freedom of flight does not really fit China's lack of personal freedom but hey they need to train pilots to haul the masses around...I love the SR22 but the prices of the new ones are insane along with all the new GA aircraft...
Why not use Rotax’s 916 FADEC engine, almost 15% extra power c/w 915, without sig. added weight. I’ll go one step further, with no offence intended. The major stakeholder of Cirrus is now, I believe, pushing for a new-age (FADEC) engine. I think that is delightful and will be a really nice extension of Cirrus’ immaculate planes. For the naysayers, fly a FADEC, and you’ll see and hopefully enjoy exactly what I mean! Blue Skies, and cheers AvWeb and Cirrus
Who is this mysterious “shareholder”? The Chinese government I assume. Worst interviewee I’ve seen in awhile. I feel sorry for Paul having to be nice to this legalistic mouthpiece.
Nordy, she has a job to do. I don't know all the legal in's and out's, but if you cross your employer, you're probably going to get fired. I think she did okay. The interview did improve toward the end.
"There's no market for...a cheaper airplane to produce and aquire". Yeah right. Got it. So there are no flight schools here looking for cheaper alternatives? That's why many of them are using 60 year old airplanes.
I wonder if the higher accident rate and 2-3x's insurance for the SR's vs comparable will apply to these? Remember the chute was required by the FAA to be certified because Cirrus could not meet the spin recovery in 1 turn.
I was a CSIP for many years. I watched the transition to Chinese ownership from a position closer than the general public. It gave me the creeps. I left the Cirrus family shortly afterwards. There are really good American employees working for the CCP. If you think they (CCP and therefore Cirrus) has good intentions, you are wrong.
HELLO , YOU MENTIONED THIS TYPE WILL NOT BE MARKED IN NORTH AMERICA, MY SOURCES ARE TELLING ME THE UNITED STATES MEXICANOS, COLOMBIA, AND THE UNITED STATES OF BRAZIL ARE NEGOTIATING TO GET SOME FOR CADET TRAINING. SALUDOS , GREAT PRESENTATION ❤
Looks very similar to the Mooney Three seat, composite, M10…. From their Chinese share holder experience! Also was a clean sheet design… But, Jet/diesel fuel was important back in the day… 😃
Still not understanding WHY this airplane came into existence, lots of things just don't add up. The SR20 already has the TRAC model for training so why the SR10?
It's a strange situation for sure... you have to wonder if the Chinese government has other plans for these. Maybe modifying them for use as drones against Taiwan. 🤔
Rest of world is developing and passing us by. We can’t do anything but watch and stay behind. Red taped to the level where no progress is possible anymore. Our well deserved punishment.
This interview could use a serious energy boost! 🚀 The interviewer's dry and monotonous style really made it feel like a trial rather than a conversation. Ivy could have had a better interview to shine. Let's hope for a livelier discussion next time!
A trial paradigm is the appropriate tone to take. The Chinese, it was always said, will sell you with a smile on their face the rope you’re going to hang yourself with. The only difference now is, you’re making the rope for them to sell back to you.
Why cannibalize the current SR series by introducing this? That would kill the +1 million $ price tags because everyone knows the parachute is the selling attribute not the spring-loaded side stick, for example.
Hence why it won't be coming to the US. Puppet master just wanted brain power of cirrus engineers to design a cheap model to make overseas for their market
Even I know, Cirrus is now Chinese owned, the concept of the Cirrus SR10 is also interesting for the North American and Europe market. But not as a Part 23 certificate. That’s nonsense and is to close to the SR20 market. The demand is in the up coming LSA market. Nobody needs a 3-seater plane there. But a Cirrus SR10 2-seater aircraft with the Rotax 915is or 916is would be a blast. That makes sense. Cirrus sleeps here and doesn’t understand the LSA market. There are some great products coming up like the VL 3 or the Bristell. Even flight schools will gain this market and more and more GA pilots. For less than 50% of a Cirrus SR20 you get awesome high performance airplanes. I don’t get the need of a 3-Seater SR10 with Part 23? Only the gas mileage and maybe the price will give you a fortune compared to the well known SR20 in the market. Of course, if the Chinese want this plane, they will get it. But smart and global market thinking goes different in other direction. A SR10 2-Seater LSA from Cirrus with that world wide best known brand will sell as a next bestseller. Maybe Cirrus will understand this some day, before other brands own the big cake of it. 😊
Paul at his usual best but wasn't Ivy great! 17 years in with the company and she's knockin'em outta the park! Excellent back and forth makes for a informative and interesting video viewing. Well done and THX!
Having hundreds of millions in revenue per year they are in a unique position to cost optimize production dramatically if they have the intelligence to realize the value of doing so. A plane is a quite simply construction and can be made drastically cheaper than they are doing now. And their SRs are a bit more modern than the post WW2 tractors but only modestly. It's not a particularly aerodynamic design, nor light nor any kind of modern engine. Nor retractable gear. And of course the huge potential is ditching the awful piston prop in favor of two small turbofan jet engines and a sleek pressurized cabin. Without developing nonsensical notions about 7 figure price tags. Their SR22T is already absurdly overpriced. This widespread mental affliction in aviation that things have to be 10x overpriced should really be dispensed with. If a composite hot tub can retail for 5k, why is it 900k when you include a briggs and stratton.
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“The Shareholder” she keeps referring to is Cirrus’ parent company, AVIC, which is owned by the government of China.
Translation: Cirrus is developing aircraft for the Chinese government. Ultimately Cirrus is a Chinese company now.
Not to mention that they are probably going to be using these aircraft to launch new training of Chinese pilots in China, versus in the US.
You can see how uncomfortable she is with this.
Cirrus was an American company based in Duluth, MN. They sold out to the Chinese. Patriots. Right?
@@bruceatkinson5357 I hear you, but it's not like any American company stepped up to the plate to buy Cirrus. Was Cirrus distressed at the time they were purchased?
The Share Holder is the holder of her job. Share Holder owns Cirrus and Continental Engines.
Share Holder=Dear Leader
The shareholder is literally the Chinese government.
Buy/own a Cirrus = supporting a war on the independent nation of Taiwan.
@@galactictomato1434
CCP=Dear Leader
You are correct. They own Diamond Aircraft as well.
Exactly.. Loads of double talk
In February 2011, Cirrus was sold for US$210M to China Aviation Industry General Aircraft (CAIGA), a subsidiary of Aviation Industry Corporation, which is wholly owned by the Government of the People's Republic of China. Hard pass.
Too bad Textron refuses to innovate in the small piston market. They'll continue to make ancient 172s and 182s until they exit the market or go out of business.
“Shareholder”= China government. 10:50
Diamond is also under Chinese ownership. Piper is owned by Brunei. Foreign ownership of GA manufacturers isn't as uncommon as most people think.
@@Brimstin no one cares if it's foreign,they care that it's a country that has said they want to destroy the usa for decades.
@@Brimstin I’m in HVAC for 44 years now and sadly we suffer from non~USA made products. I wish we were more self contained as a country on our supply chain and manufacturing areas.
There is a palpable creepiness in this conversation.
Title of this video should be “Paul interviewing a politician”
A trainer airplane for new Chinese fighter pilots to destroy our aircraft carriers.
Look what is happening in Ukraine, drones are a bigger threat to the aircraft carrier
@@flytodayPerhaps these will be converted to drones 🤔
Paul should have noted that Cirrus is Chinese owned. That would have made this conversation a bit more intelligible.
He must know that. I wonder why he felt compelled to leave that fact out???? Odd.......
Agree.
I think he probably assumed we all knew that.
@@WhEE443 Hi WhEE. That's pretty sharp, and I like it. I thought it was cool how it was obvious that something important was missing but Paul was not going to fill the blank for us.
"the shareholder" = the Chinese government.
The issue here is that there is a dangerous trend by Chinese companies buying US and European companies to “access” their IP and knowledge and then once they have it, effectively mothball the original company, or leave it as a shell of its original self.
LOL, I have the London bridge to sell to you for £20.00 ha ha
That's just the more obvious moves by the Chinese government. There are large venture capital companies operating in the US that are funded by the Chinese government that actively invest in a wide variety of American tech (often startups) including telecommunication equipment for the Pentagon, lab equipment for the Department of Commerce, space tech for NASA, renewable energy for the Energy Dept, electronics and communications equipment for the Pentagon, military machining tech for the US military, space technology for NASA, and a bunch more.
Bottom line, China's early investment in the next generation of American tech (which gives China easy access to the inner workings of that tech) will help give China a huge advantage in the 21st century. Much of these deals fly totally under the radar, because the American startup's founders can get rich off these deals, and don't want the gravy train interrupted by American government oversight.
Don’t care for her tap dancing around that this will be used by the Chinese military. The kit SR22 is kind of dodgy too - it becomes a Chinese aircraft to build /market. Why was the sale of Cirrus to the Chinese approved? I have a sense that this will bite us in the future.
USA = good, Chine = bad ? ha ha , too funny . . .
What you mean by approved? I don't think the FTC could've done anything to stop the sale. Cirrus is and always was a private company.
It's a simple foreign investment deal.
Epic (US) and Diamond (Austria) have also been bought by the chinese. Diamond even developed recently the DART trainer which will find its way to China in the near future.
This women's voice is positively grating, another of the sounds of Yapping Yorky canines (along with the Firing Line host, PBS News Anchor Amna Nawaz, Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett and now two generations of other females who should have learned to speak at the "timbre" of a Candace Bergen or, even, Barbara Walter's. Eesh ! Depressing.
It was very nice of the good people at Cirrus to discuss a product they aren't marketing to this audience. I hope they all can find good jobs in 20 years when AVIC guts Cirrus and offers their own reverse engineered competitor aircraft here for half the price.
Nobody needs a Part23 Cirrus SR10 3-seater like this one. That’s totally of market in the US and Europe. The LSA market is the future and coming up more and more. Cirrus doesn’t think about that market at all. A stupid mistake. A Cirrus SR 10 LSA 2-seater with Rotax 915 or 916 would be a blast. If they oversleep this opportunity, they are stupid in my opinion. The brand Cirrus is world wide well known. And they don’t think of this advantage in the LSA market. Now the Chinese make the rules and that is not always smart.
There is something so suspicious about this whole thing.
I wouldn’t be surprised if these aircraft are ultimately going to be used to train Chinese military pilots, or national airline pilots.
@@bobjohn2000Of course they are. That's the whole point of the model existing.
I tried to make it through this one but the Cirrus rep's pathological inability to answer a direct question got on my nerves. And I'm *far* from the target customer for that airplane.
That was tuff, Indeed!!
@@williamsmith286what questions did she fail to answer?
That's the new gen speak. Every question is great!!!!
@@publicmail2 Oh, I've no problem with the questions. Had they not been good questions - typical of Paul - then she might have felt she could answer them 😂
So why interview someone about airplane that is not going to be sold in the U.S. ?
She didn't want to say "military". Weird.
She should become a politician. No straight answers.
Ivy admits the SR 10 project is from Chinese state owned AVIC, and slips in a casual admission military training is involved. Rotax power makes sense because Zongshen already contracts with AVIC to make Rotax clones. Continental aircraft engine company is also owned by AVIC. Makes it a lot easier to make military trainers under economic sanctions.
Epic Aircraft and Diamond Aircraft (from Austria) are also in the hands of the chinese government.
Friends don't let friends fly a cirrus
Or drink Merlot. Just kidding, there are some nice Merlots out there.
By “the shareholder” she means the Chinese government? 😆
"Grasshoppers" dancing on rice paper.
Reading between the lines…feels like a foreign adversary used a work around to develop a new airplane for said adversary’s market via USA brainpower/horsepower….wonder what they have up their sleeve next? 🚨 🚨
Cirrus drones
Indeed. Cirrus is owned by a Chinese state-owned company under U.S. sanctions for aiding the Chinese military. Cirrus itself has avoided legal issues... so far.
A "Foreign adversary"? ROFL, you have been fed too much propaganda ha ha . . .
The U.S. and china cooperate on developing tons of projects, likely including whatever device you’re watching this on.
@@BradleySpahn actually it's American software on hardware assembled in Vietnam by a Taiwanese company since assembly has shifted away from China due to geopolitical concerns with China.
Well Cirrus is Chinese owned which is one of the reasons behind its success and prevented cirrus bankruptcy. She talks about "Shareholders' with a kind of attitude.
What I mis is all about the flight characteristics , its stall behaviour, if it is allowed to spin etc etc
Does it have a parachute? I think maybe not, because the "shareholder" obviously wants it to be as cheap as possible.
Nice tap dance.
That's the new gen speak. Every question is great!!!!
Kept quiet because they don’t want sales to slump.
As an ex student of business, I didn't fully understand what Ivy meant by "The Shareholder" either, do the CCP own shares in the company? I'd be VERY wary of trading with the CCP, very rarely, do, medium to long term, western companies come out of such deals well.
Yes, via a Chinese investor.
@@morthomer5804 Thanks, understood now. As I wrote, I'd be very wary indeed.
Cirrus is fully owned by AVIC, a Chinese state-owned entity.
Cirrus is Chinese owned.
@@ericmaglio Thanks, wow! I didn't know that, all makes sense now. Thank you 👍
Beautifully executed technology transfer with testing included.
So, all the hemming and hawing from Cirrus' rep came down to a certain discomfort over the Chinese ownership discussion. Cirrus is probably right to be stealthy, given the market failure of the China-built Cessna Skycatcher. And while "woke" corporation customer backlash is a different discussion, consumers have discovered their power and are willing to flex it. A lower-priced Rotax-powered Cirrus might be the perfect entry aircraft for the company, but MOSAIC will likely change the entire landscape. What if the only distinction between an SR 10, and say a factory-build Sling TSI, is a negative perception of Cirrus, post Klapmeyer ownership? Notch it up a level and pit the drop-dead gorgeous Textron Italy-built Panthera and Chinese-owned Cirrus SR 22: will buyers care about things like human rights, spying and regional military aggression? Read the previous comments; American pilots tend to be patriotic and traditionally conservative, so my money says buyers will think twice.
That particular “ Share Holder “ owns too many Shares of America.
Almost didn’t recognize Paul without his staple mustache
Perhaps he forgot to staple it on? :-)
I knew something was odd. I put it down to a "Cirrious" approach with no trademark dry humor, but you're right. The mustache fell off. Or maybe it melted down in FLA.
Almost 23 minutes of marketing speak, like getting an intravenous injection of ether into the carotid artery, then watch sand move and paint dry.
Through all the fog we still don't know it's GW, EW, range........nada.
Got to be honest, have loved Cirrus the company for years now, but knowing that they are owned by the Chinese is quite disappointing. May have to rethink my support and purchase another one...
It seems like this interview could have been avoided with a press release explaining that the design and type certificate for the SR-10 was just a way to fast track approval of the foreign counterpart and that there are no plans to manufacture or sell it in the US because of the popularity of their other models.
I’m increasingly concerned about the west chasing those Chinese bucks… we’re giving them so much IP
Cirrus is Chinese owned.
Cirrus is Chinese owned.
These planes will be used to train Chinese fighters pilots for a war against the independent nation of Taiwan.
@@galactictomato1434SR20s and now SR10s are pretty benevolent. They can also be used to train airline pilots.
Other aircraft like the Diamond DART 750 however is definitely a military trainer akin to a Pilatus PC-9.
Diamond, from Austria, is also Chinese owned.
She should stop saying "shareholder". AVIC owns Cirrus. Cirrus is a Chinese company now.
Hard pass on Cirrus as a company. Sad, because Cirrus has done good work in the past.
I imagine that because US Cirrus doesn’t have the manufacturing capacity in the US this new model would have to be built in China, and as such, they don’t want to degrade the (comparatively) “high end” US brand perception by selling a made in China lower end aircraft in the US market. My guess/hope is that MOSAIC will bring lower price competition just below the SR20/22 in the US market, so it will be interesting to see how Cirrus responds, though there may be enough demand for them to simply keep chugging along.
It's going to sell in numbers like the 172
@@flytoday The problem is with GA, no one can afford to build manufacturing capacity in anticipation of whatever demand there could conceivably be. In China the training market and pipeline are relatively fixed with big aviation academies pushing a certain number of cadets to the airlines, whereas flight school owners in the US and elsewhere are fickle and often say they want something, but decides not to buy when that 'something' appears on the market.
Cirrus will go slow with the SR10, as existing US production capacity allows. It's a lower priced, lower margin product.
There are already aircraft in the works for mosiac that will bring competition to part 23 aircraft.
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I was waiting for the payload of the pilot optional version, and what sort of loiter time it had with the surveillance pod.
All the kerfuffle over military pilot training, and we have guys in Duluth designing ChiCom aircraft under contract. But, really, it’s an SR10 that won’t be an SR10 but it looks like a small SR20, so really it’s just a training plane for their “institutional training fleets”.
China's military doesn't use cirrus or cessna anyway, they use CJ-6
@@pgdaszzz7399 I doubt very much that’s still their primary trainer.
The China Cirrus. I bet it's still over $400K. All new GA aircraft are to the point where no one in middle class or upper middle class can afford them. Thanks to regulation and lawsuits it's all off the chart expensive. Most of us will be flying 1970's Cessnas-Pipers until they fall apart. The industry will die a slow death. The funny thing is the freedom of flight does not really fit China's lack of personal freedom but hey they need to train pilots to haul the masses around...I love the SR22 but the prices of the new ones are insane along with all the new GA aircraft...
Why not use Rotax’s 916 FADEC engine, almost 15% extra power c/w 915, without sig. added weight. I’ll go one step further, with no offence intended. The major stakeholder of Cirrus is now, I believe, pushing for a new-age (FADEC) engine. I think that is delightful and will be a really nice extension of Cirrus’ immaculate planes. For the naysayers, fly a FADEC, and you’ll see and hopefully enjoy exactly what I mean! Blue Skies, and cheers AvWeb and Cirrus
The Rotax 916 iS has the same continuous power as the 915 iS. Only takeoff power (for 5 minutes) is increased.
Simply because this was certified before the 916 even came to market. Not worth re-filing the paperwork.
As if her job literally depended on an every answer being in line with the party line.
Who is this mysterious “shareholder”? The Chinese government I assume. Worst interviewee I’ve seen in awhile. I feel sorry for Paul having to be nice to this legalistic mouthpiece.
Nordy, she has a job to do. I don't know all the legal in's and out's, but if you cross your employer, you're probably going to get fired. I think she did okay. The interview did improve toward the end.
The Chinese Government owns Cirrus 100%. This will be a military plane. She is in effect a foreign agent.
@@roderickcampbell2105 If you cross this employer, the CCP will find the nearest 13th story window and throw you out of it.
Jeez. These comments are enlightening. I had no idea how deep the PRC is involved in GA. Why we allow this is baffling....
"There's no market for...a cheaper airplane to produce and aquire". Yeah right. Got it. So there are no flight schools here looking for cheaper alternatives? That's why many of them are using 60 year old airplanes.
Yea I know, yea, everyone in the US loves paying half a million dollars for a new build c172 lol.
I wonder if the higher accident rate and 2-3x's insurance for the SR's vs comparable will apply to these? Remember the chute was required by the FAA to be certified because Cirrus could not meet the spin recovery in 1 turn.
The SR10/AG100 is going to do huge numbers, I predict it will dominate the sales charts for 20 years
A chicken in every pot; an AG100 in every hangar.
I predict they'll convert them into drones to kill Taiwanese.
A market potential of over two billion people
So, we train in old crap.
@hotprop92 Probably not. Schools & institutional & CCP only.
Free Hong Kong .
I was a CSIP for many years. I watched the transition to Chinese ownership from a position closer than the general public. It gave me the creeps. I left the Cirrus family shortly afterwards. There are really good American employees working for the CCP. If you think they (CCP and therefore Cirrus) has good intentions, you are wrong.
HELLO , YOU MENTIONED THIS TYPE WILL NOT BE MARKED IN NORTH AMERICA, MY SOURCES ARE TELLING ME THE UNITED STATES MEXICANOS, COLOMBIA, AND THE UNITED STATES OF BRAZIL ARE NEGOTIATING TO GET SOME FOR CADET TRAINING. SALUDOS , GREAT PRESENTATION ❤
Are students learning in this plane going to be taught a Cirrus pattern?
What is a Cirrus pattern?
"we hired a substantial number of engineers" (in Chyna)
I would not be surprised if the Chinese government told him what he is allowed to say or not say.
Looks very similar to the Mooney Three seat, composite, M10…. From their Chinese share holder experience!
Also was a clean sheet design…
But, Jet/diesel fuel was important back in the day… 😃
No there is no demand in China for this airplane , it’s a product we built just for the central government to see that we’re doing something
Still not understanding WHY this airplane came into existence, lots of things just don't add up. The SR20 already has the TRAC model for training so why the SR10?
It's a strange situation for sure... you have to wonder if the Chinese government has other plans for these. Maybe modifying them for use as drones against Taiwan. 🤔
Trainers for the PLAAF and to mothball Cirrus for drone tech.
Cirrus wants to open a production line in China in case they get sanctioned for training Chinese military pilots.
Now coming to China... 10 mile finals! 😂
Rest of world is developing and passing us by. We can’t do anything but watch and stay behind. Red taped to the level where no progress is possible anymore. Our well deserved punishment.
That sales graph is completely pointless unless compared against the overall GA market.
This interview could use a serious energy boost! 🚀 The interviewer's dry and monotonous style really made it feel like a trial rather than a conversation. Ivy could have had a better interview to shine. Let's hope for a livelier discussion next time!
A trial paradigm is the appropriate tone to take. The Chinese, it was always said, will sell you with a smile on their face the rope you’re going to hang yourself with. The only difference now is, you’re making the rope for them to sell back to you.
Its a chineese company
Time to sell cirrus. They sold out
Its all about the money,.........
Sounds like an ideal low cost trainer. Why not for the US?
because the "Shareholder" (CCP Govt) wants to train pilots to man their air force, not ours.
It's going to be used to train chinese military pilots as a basic trainer
Why cannibalize the current SR series by introducing this? That would kill the +1 million $ price tags because everyone knows the parachute is the selling attribute not the spring-loaded side stick, for example.
Hence why it won't be coming to the US. Puppet master just wanted brain power of cirrus engineers to design a cheap model to make overseas for their market
because they want the $$4 to go tot eh china govt, not america.
I loved Cirrus up until they sold to the Chinese government.
No Cirrus for me. There are sooooo many other nice options out there.
No chicom aircraft for me.
Even I know, Cirrus is now Chinese owned, the concept of the Cirrus SR10 is also interesting for the North American and Europe market. But not as a Part 23 certificate. That’s nonsense and is to close to the SR20 market. The demand is in the up coming LSA market. Nobody needs a 3-seater plane there. But a Cirrus SR10 2-seater aircraft with the Rotax 915is or 916is would be a blast. That makes sense. Cirrus sleeps here and doesn’t understand the LSA market. There are some great products coming up like the VL 3 or the Bristell. Even flight schools will gain this market and more and more GA pilots. For less than 50% of a Cirrus SR20 you get awesome high performance airplanes. I don’t get the need of a 3-Seater SR10 with Part 23? Only the gas mileage and maybe the price will give you a fortune compared to the well known SR20 in the market. Of course, if the Chinese want this plane, they will get it. But smart and global market thinking goes different in other direction. A SR10 2-Seater LSA from Cirrus with that world wide best known brand will sell as a next bestseller. Maybe Cirrus will understand this some day, before other brands own the big cake of it. 😊
Not buying Chinese.
Chinese airplane. No thanks.
Where is your iPhone made?
@@henryD9363iPhone is different from an airplane. Also, no options for a USA made phone
@@henryD9363maybe China but more currently in India, etc.
@@henryD9363final assembly, the most important Chips are from Taiwan, not China in spite of what Beijing / CCP claims.
iPhone/apple isn't Chinese GOVERNMENT owned like Cirrus is. iPhone won't be used to bomb Taiwan like Cirrus will.
Paul at his usual best but wasn't Ivy great! 17 years in with the company and she's knockin'em outta the park! Excellent back and forth makes for a informative and interesting video viewing. Well done and THX!
Paul's nonverbal reactions speak volumes. We are all concerned about the CCP
Dude, what? Are you an employee of Cirrus?
Wait, wut?
"Nor?"
Having hundreds of millions in revenue per year they are in a unique position to cost optimize production dramatically if they have the intelligence to realize the value of doing so. A plane is a quite simply construction and can be made drastically cheaper than they are doing now. And their SRs are a bit more modern than the post WW2 tractors but only modestly. It's not a particularly aerodynamic design, nor light nor any kind of modern engine. Nor retractable gear. And of course the huge potential is ditching the awful piston prop in favor of two small turbofan jet engines and a sleek pressurized cabin. Without developing nonsensical notions about 7 figure price tags. Their SR22T is already absurdly overpriced. This widespread mental affliction in aviation that things have to be 10x overpriced should really be dispensed with. If a composite hot tub can retail for 5k, why is it 900k when you include a briggs and stratton.
In these comments; people getting mad about the results of a free market
over 400k, chinese rip off, hard pass
NOR
STOP doing virtual talks
Ok Kow boy, you going to PAY GOOD MONEY for Paul to fly around the world to do interviews hey bro ??
Strong disagree. I enjoy them and doing face to face isn't always possible.