Thanks for taking the time, and your opinion... Helps... Sounds good... I have Soldano slo100 and TSL100... I was to impatient for restocking of 2203x, so bought the Soldano... Love Marshall sound better...
Solid video. Thanks for the comparison. While the Reissue is a great sounding amp, the Original has way more dynamics to it. Gives it more life. But wouldn't complain about using the reissue. If you plan on doing more comparison videos, get yourself a Morley ABY so you can match settings on the amps and switch between them in real-time. Keep the cool videos coming!
Thats good advice, thanks. Actually planning to record a jtm45 vs 1987x comparison video. But I cant find the time to do that… eventually I will do it though
If you are interested in my opinion: this original has more higher mids and has a lot more dynamic range while playing. It will cut better through a mix. It is also even louder than the reissue. It feels like the tubes are getting cooked more because of higher bias/amperage, which I did not check. The pots in the original are less effective, so You are Not that flexibel. But if you dont want extreme bright or dull sounds, than there is no need for extreme sound changes and this isnt a problem. The gain and compression of the original feels more natural and feels more inspiring. However, if you trying to figure out which one you should get, you should absolutly test the original before buying. The original ones out there are quit different. There are really good ones but also bad amps because of the lack of quality control back then. New ones quality are a lot more consistent. I hope this helps evaluating the comparison :)
I Appreciate your Reply and analysis. Thanks.Thay want Alot of Dough for this reissue it Should be Amazing sound. I own a 1984 jcm 800 112 combo. 4010. Yes the sound Reflects the current 2000$ Ask ing price. Thanks
The "original£ JCM800 2203 were the vertical input and sounded almost identical to the 70s JMPs, this gorizontal input, if I recall, sound darker. I like them anyway 🙂
LOL not almost identical, the JMP 2203 and JCM 800 2203 are 2 different amps as far as sound goes, their core tone is the same sure but the delivery and texture is totally different on both amps: The JCM 800 2203 (vertical input) will deliver the sound more like a ''punch'' with an accentuated high mid bark, with a more of a immediate and stiffer touch/feel. The JMP 2203 is overall fatter sounding, with a ``grinding`` texture to it similar to a hot rodded plexi (its understandable since it is basically a gateway amp between both plexi and the jcm 800 historically speaking). Both vertical and horizontal input JCM 800s will be identical except for the accentuated mid bark thing: Where the Vertical input will have the upper mids bark accentuated and the Horizontal the lower mids accentuation.
The vertical input 2303/2204 had “flying leads”. Knobs were connected to the circuit board by short but not stressed wires. The “horizontal input” 2203/2204 had the knobs (potentiometers) soldered directly to the circuit board, which would eventually become intermittent after a couple of years of transport. The later 2203’s also had a value change in the large capacitors. Which some say changed the sound. The metal toggle UK and Canadian versions had more safety fuses in the power supply and output stages in order to conform to British and Canadian electrical standards.
The reissue is a tad bit crunchier and crispier (words like stiff and hard are normally used 😂 lol), anyways, the reissue just needs broken in and played more I'd reckon.......the original one has gained a bit of sound 'character' over the years from filter caps settling and ageing as well as resistor/coupling/bypass cap drift.
but but... doesn't the reissue have more capacitors so it should be 10x better, right.... but but... the 88 has horizontal inputs... that's gotta be bad, right? but but.....
Who knows what parts were replaced in the original and which schematic it’s based on now. It doesn’t take much to change the tonality of an amp so those comparison are often misleading.
The difference is negligible. It's a no brainer to get the newer one. Has a warranty new parts and an effects loop. If you were playing live no one in hell could tell the difference.
Try two 2203’s from 1988 and they will also differ in sound. Most think the old sounds better just because it’s old and that is what people wanna hear. Old is always better when it comes to guitar gear it seems😁.
@@matsandersson8857 yes, there are huge differences in the old amps due to a less strict quality Control for the Parts used. You can get an old one which sounds killer or an old one which sounds way worse. The newer ones are more even in that regard. The factoring process and the parts beeing used are Monitored more strictly
the reissue uses vietnam made transformers, there is a difference not only in the midrange but string separation and note clarity, it sounds more like a dsl than an 800.
It is incredible loud, like, you will think „Holy Crap Marshall, what did you think by making it that loud“. Your drumming will Need some ear Protection 🤣
The 2203x is an effects loop, original does not. The presence of one makes a drastic difference in the beef/balls/dynamics of an amp, all things remaining equal. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Mike Soldano told me so himself
the new 2203 sounds drastically different and sounds more like a dsl than a 800. The new 2203 uses Vietnamese made transformers and it totally changes the character and feel of the amp.... on top of using cheaper transformers, they kept the price the same which is an outrage! its not that he didnt dial the amp right, its literally not the same. jcm 800 has unique note clarity and muscular sounding low end and midrange, the new transformers make the amp sound more like a modern marshall where the attack is soft and you cant dial it out...
I have an ‘87 2204 and a 2015 2203x. The ‘87 2204 is hands down angrier and nastier. Both clean up equally with the guitar volume……it’s a drastic difference.
They sound exactly the same. None of you with blindfolded eyes will tell the difference. If any, they are nuances of slightly darker/lighter type, but the type of sound is the same.
Well maybe you can’t tell the difference but to people who actually have been playing guitar for a while and have a good ear can tell the difference even in this video lmfao
@@helio1055 Not in a live mix. there is no way in a hell a guitarist who is in the audience could tell which one is being used. New amp, warranty, effects loop. It's a no brainer to get the new one.
Also they sound different from one another. Hell, the same amp might sound different in a day vs the next day. Those valves are subject to environment conditions too. So nerding about which one is the holy grail and whatnot is plain stupid.
Hard to believe that guitar is intonated by the looks of the saddles hehe. Great tone..
Because they are straight in line? 😁
Hahah yes. A tell tale sign.
Thanks for taking the time, and your opinion... Helps... Sounds good... I have Soldano slo100 and TSL100... I was to impatient for restocking of 2203x, so bought the Soldano... Love Marshall sound better...
Glad I could help! Soldano is super cool as well. But there is just something special about the dirtyness of a marshall.
@dekay2266 My Marshall just sounds better... Not knocking the Soldano, but when I plug into the Marshall, it feels like home...
Solid video. Thanks for the comparison. While the Reissue is a great sounding amp, the Original has way more dynamics to it. Gives it more life. But wouldn't complain about using the reissue. If you plan on doing more comparison videos, get yourself a Morley ABY so you can match settings on the amps and switch between them in real-time. Keep the cool videos coming!
Thats good advice, thanks. Actually planning to record a jtm45 vs 1987x comparison video. But I cant find the time to do that… eventually I will do it though
If you are interested in my opinion: this original has more higher mids and has a lot more dynamic range while playing. It will cut better through a mix. It is also even louder than the reissue. It feels like the tubes are getting cooked more because of higher bias/amperage, which I did not check. The pots in the original are less effective, so You are Not that flexibel. But if you dont want extreme bright or dull sounds, than there is no need for extreme sound changes and this isnt a problem. The gain and compression of the original feels more natural and feels more inspiring. However, if you trying to figure out which one you should get, you should absolutly test the original before buying. The original ones out there are quit different. There are really good ones but also bad amps because of the lack of quality control back then. New ones quality are a lot more consistent.
I hope this helps evaluating the comparison :)
I'm a believer...
I Appreciate your Reply and analysis. Thanks.Thay want Alot of Dough for this reissue it Should be Amazing sound. I own a 1984 jcm 800 112 combo. 4010. Yes the sound Reflects the current 2000$ Ask ing price. Thanks
False claim it will cut through a mix better. No one can tell the difference during a performance.
I had an ‘81 I’m looking at my old paperwork now
Dose the reissue still use the 6550s ?
The "original£ JCM800 2203 were the vertical input and sounded almost identical to the 70s JMPs, this gorizontal input, if I recall, sound darker. I like them anyway 🙂
Yeah, they built a lot quit different versions of the Jcm 800 in the 80s. I am pretty sure the very first version even has 4 Inputs like the Plexi
LOL not almost identical, the JMP 2203 and JCM 800 2203 are 2 different amps as far as sound goes, their core tone is the same sure but the delivery and texture is totally different on both amps:
The JCM 800 2203 (vertical input) will deliver the sound more like a ''punch'' with an accentuated high mid bark, with a more of a immediate and stiffer touch/feel.
The JMP 2203 is overall fatter sounding, with a ``grinding`` texture to it similar to a hot rodded plexi (its understandable since it is basically a gateway amp between both plexi and the jcm 800 historically speaking).
Both vertical and horizontal input JCM 800s will be identical except for the accentuated mid bark thing: Where the Vertical input will have the upper mids bark accentuated and the Horizontal the lower mids accentuation.
@@oyvey8526 I agree, not identical but very very similar. 800s after 85 have different voltages than the vertical input and they are darker overall.
The vertical input 2303/2204 had “flying leads”. Knobs were connected to the circuit board by short but not stressed wires. The “horizontal input” 2203/2204 had the knobs (potentiometers) soldered directly to the circuit board, which would eventually become intermittent after a couple of years of transport. The later 2203’s also had a value change in the large capacitors. Which some say changed the sound. The metal toggle UK and Canadian versions had more safety fuses in the power supply and output stages in order to conform to British and Canadian electrical standards.
So why. .does the Original Amp sound so much healthier and has way more presence?
Maybe an ampbuilder is capable to evaluate that, I am not 😁
Good question. The reissue sounds a bit cleaner to me, no sizzle like he said. Probly biasing
Probably better transformers in the OG
@ 4:30 what chords are you playing?
I am Not Sure, its been a while sry
The reissue is a tad bit crunchier and crispier (words like stiff and hard are normally used 😂 lol), anyways, the reissue just needs broken in and played more I'd reckon.......the original one has gained a bit of sound 'character' over the years from filter caps settling and ageing as well as resistor/coupling/bypass cap drift.
How many Filter caps are in the 88 ?
@@yourockchannel6245 dont know
@@dekay2266could you have a look behind the backplate?
why were you rolling knobs and not playing?
but but... doesn't the reissue have more capacitors so it should be 10x better, right.... but but... the 88 has horizontal inputs... that's gotta be bad, right? but but.....
Who knows what parts were replaced in the original and which schematic it’s based on now. It doesn’t take much to change the tonality of an amp so those comparison are often misleading.
The difference is negligible. It's a no brainer to get the newer one. Has a warranty new parts and an effects loop. If you were playing live no one in hell could tell the difference.
Try two 2203’s from 1988 and they will also differ in sound. Most think the old sounds better just because it’s old and that is what people wanna hear. Old is always better when it comes to guitar gear it seems😁.
@@matsandersson8857 yes, there are huge differences in the old amps due to a less strict quality Control for the Parts used.
You can get an old one which sounds killer or an old one which sounds way worse.
The newer ones are more even in that regard. The factoring process and the parts beeing used are Monitored more strictly
To me The old one sounds more full. Gives a full spectrum of notes.
the reissue uses vietnam made transformers, there is a difference not only in the midrange but string separation and note clarity, it sounds more like a dsl than an 800.
How loud is it? With a reeeeelly heavy handed drummer can you still get cleans out of it with high volume or will it start to break?
It is incredible loud, like, you will think „Holy Crap Marshall, what did you think by making it that loud“. Your drumming will Need some ear Protection 🤣
The 2203x is an effects loop, original does not. The presence of one makes a drastic difference in the beef/balls/dynamics of an amp, all things remaining equal. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Mike Soldano told me so himself
Thats my experience Too, espacially with marshalls.
the new 2203 sounds drastically different and sounds more like a dsl than a 800. The new 2203 uses Vietnamese made transformers and it totally changes the character and feel of the amp.... on top of using cheaper transformers, they kept the price the same which is an outrage! its not that he didnt dial the amp right, its literally not the same. jcm 800 has unique note clarity and muscular sounding low end and midrange, the new transformers make the amp sound more like a modern marshall where the attack is soft and you cant dial it out...
The effects loop can be totally by passed with a switch.
@@jojo-qu1qjAnd you know the transformer is different🤔. They haven’t been manufactured in the UK since long. I think they were made in Malta before.
@matsandersson8857 no it can't. As long as it is still present in the amp, it effects the tone
Old for me, more character, but the reissue has its own (modern) thing
Ребята, купил недавно 2203x 2012. Звучит превосходно, куда ж еще ярче ??
Congrats Bratan !!!
@@valjsanfrancisco2044 😊✊🤝
Where the reverb comes from?
From the daw I used
I have an ‘87 2204 and a 2015 2203x. The ‘87 2204 is hands down angrier and nastier. Both clean up equally with the guitar volume……it’s a drastic difference.
That description actually fits very well for the comparison of this video, too. The 88‘ hits you more in the face. The reissue sounds more tame.
@@dekay2266 Your comparing a 50 watt to a 100 watt. Not the same.
@@guitarexpert2245 no, it is a 100w Head
They sound exactly the same. None of you with blindfolded eyes will tell the difference. If any, they are nuances of slightly darker/lighter type, but the type of sound is the same.
Well maybe you can’t tell the difference but to people who actually have been playing guitar for a while and have a good ear can tell the difference even in this video lmfao
@@helio1055 Not in a live mix. there is no way in a hell a guitarist who is in the audience could tell which one is being used. New amp, warranty, effects loop. It's a no brainer to get the new one.
@@helio1055 So what's your point?
Also they sound different from one another. Hell, the same amp might sound different in a day vs the next day. Those valves are subject to environment conditions too. So nerding about which one is the holy grail and whatnot is plain stupid.