Tbh I like that they made their relationship in the show ambiguous, bc the way I see it is: they are *partners* and they always will be good together. Imo their relationship is very well-developed, I mean you can obviously tell that tiger cares deeply for bunny and vice versa. They got each other’s back and trust one another with their life that’s all there needs to be for their relationship to be enjoyable to watch, so I enjoy the freedom to interpreted them in both a platonic and/or romantic ways! Also find it amusing that they act like an old married couple in season 2 (^^) It’s my fav comfort show so thanks for making this !! It was delightfully entertaining! tiger bunny needs traction it so underrated
As a T&B brainrot enthusiast. The staff of T&B consider their relationship romantic, and have addressed that certain situations in the series are completely intentional (For example, on the Tiger Side OVA, Kotetsu started reading magazines featuring an actress that "he saw in a dream", said actress looks quite similar to Barnaby). Same happens with the Merch, Digital Clocks with interactions, Manga, CD Dramas, and even gacha games, that all interactions portrayed are in fact canon and established (The Interactive Clocks have some interesting audios of both Kotetsu and Barnaby, as if they were talking on the same bed) According to the creators "Kotetsu and Barnaby have a romantic relationship, that's how we see them but we let others have the freedom to not interpret their relationship that way", there is also to note that both Masakazu Katsura (Original mangaka and character designer) and Hiroshi Ueda (current Mangaka) do encouraging illustrations about this romantic interpretation of their relationship, mostly Ueda to be honest.
Thank you so much! It's insane how canonised the relationship is! Have you got the source for that romantic relationship quote? If I ever do another T&B video I would love to use it!!
Hey!! Just wanted to make a kind correction that Nathan/Fire Emblem is actually canonically Transfem while being attracted to men ^^ OVERALL AMAZING VIDEO LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I think watching it with the dub gave me a really warped perception of Nathan's character since they are presented so differently compared to canon! But thank you so much!!
@@garfieldkermit Understandable since in the rising they changed her quote from, "they said a man is made of courage, and a woman is made of love, so what does that mean for people who are [both]" to gay instead which can create some confusion. But yes they use the feminine pronoun "watashi" when referring to herself in japanese!! either way i'm glad they didn't erase her queerness even if they changed it a bit in the eng dub
I got the impression FE was Nonbinary due to the use of "Both" and uses Watashi to primarily give themselves a big sister-type vibe (DK uses Boku, a masculine pronoun, despite identifying as female still), and the first episode of season 2 opens with Mario reffering to FE as "They" throught his Hero TV announcer commentary if I recall. Their expression is clearly on the femminine side regardless, though.
while i love the romantic interpretation of kotetsu and barnaby's relationship, i like that they kept it ambiguous in canon. i think that i prefer portrayals that are more open to interpretation when romance isn't one of the most important points of the story, even if it's in regard of a (seemingly) het pairing
They have eleven released pairs of rings you can buy, which is a crazy number to think about. Happy to see someone discuss this genuinely, I do love a good bit of "omg, they absolutely are romantic, look at this." type of discussion but it's nice to see someone going into a bit of depth AND talking about fire emblem as well. Their scene in the rising was really touching as a queer person myself, and I enjoy how they improved their character over the seasons. (Also, Ryan telling T&B they're made for eachother, and that they're the only partners for one another in the rising? lmao)
I dont think its queerbaiting because I think that what their relationship is suppsoed to be its close but the two of them dont need to confirm it though the creators have confirmed it can be read either way I just think it suits the characters to not talk about their feelings that could potentially ruin their relationship Also Tiger could still be wary of his dead wife Which is why in my opinion their relationship is potrayed as a will they wont they but not in a baiting way more in a will these two dumbass finally realise that its love Or it coukd be read as a QPR
@@garfieldkermit I've been rewatching the series and knowing that her crush remains one sided, it makes me more comfortable in enjoying her pining as the adorableness of youth.
@@garfieldkermitI actually love that this is one instance where the crush was used to develop Karina as a character and not to make kotetsu seem cool, witch is what female character admiration for a male character is usually used for. Instead it’s used as the catalyst to see what she wants to do with her life and what means to be a hero for her specifically, and it’s never shown kotetsu considering this as a romance whatsoever
This was a great video, when it comes to queer rep, have you ever watched double decker? By the same studio that made tiger and bunny, it got a bit of hate because when it was announced people wanted another tiger and bunny season and instead that show was released. But it continues the studios style of having casual queer characters on the story and a lot of diversity, I gave it a second watch and it was super fun and sweet, and I think it shows an improvement on their representation that started with tiger and bunny. I also recommend watching the little watch party interviews that season 2 included here on TH-cam, where the creators talk about their work and how society has changed and reflecting on characters like Nathan, they give fantastic insights on their efforts
In my opinion I think tiger and bunny are just partners. I like the idea that the show can exist without the need to romanticize its characters and while I did like the blue rose x tiger idea it felt kinda off, and blue rose did decide to stop pursuing him. I think all the characters just being friends adds to their professionalism as superheroes, so they don't get caught up in all that drama. idk I think this is my aromantic brain taking but they did leave it ambiguous for a reason and I intend on using it for my personal enjoyment.
I was literally thinking the same thing!! Like tiger and bunny’s bond can just be happily summarized as just partners that look out for each other romantic or plantonic it doesn’t matter cause yk they got that typa “heart to heart” (yes the mac demarco song and the ace ppl showing love trend tiktok commonly paired with said song) comforting trust and aura to their relationship that it just don’t needa to be verbalized! Periodd🔥 (Lol srry for nerding out but frfr agreed dude)
I think that definitely is a plus of them leaving it ambiguous is that it lets people enjoy different readings of the characters - romance can often feel like it comes out of nowhere in shows, so I'm glad you could enjoy this one more because it wasn't shoehorned in!
🤦🏽♂️. People are really reaching there acting like bromances were never a thing . Tiger and bunny are unlikely best friends that work together as a team like rush hour/ men and blk. If this came out in 2005 it wouldn’t even be a question. But in 2023 two men that are close friends = gay. Bunny might be gay because his relationship with his friend in season 2 is suspect but him and tiger no way.
why is bunny’s relationship with mattia any different? theyre also just 2 friends. Your logic isnt making sense, also most of the creators of the show say it was meant to be romantic but left it open for interpretation for the viewers so everyone can enjoy
Lmao, people have been shipping bromances waaay before 2005, tiger and bunny came out in 2011 not 2023 and has had a fanbase for more than 10 years where the relationship between kotetsu and barnaby is one of the main pillars, why do you act like it’s so crazy for people to think they are romantically involved
Kotetsu and Barnaby is as straight as Phoenix and Edgeworth
Tbh I like that they made their relationship in the show ambiguous, bc the way I see it is:
they are *partners* and they always will be good together. Imo their relationship is very well-developed, I mean you can obviously tell that tiger cares deeply for bunny and vice versa.
They got each other’s back and trust one another with their life that’s all there needs to be for their relationship to be enjoyable to watch, so I enjoy the freedom to interpreted them in both a platonic and/or romantic ways!
Also find it amusing that they act like an old married couple in season 2 (^^)
It’s my fav comfort show so thanks for making this !! It was delightfully entertaining! tiger bunny needs traction it so underrated
Glad you enjoyed it, and really hope it gets a third season one day!
As a T&B brainrot enthusiast. The staff of T&B consider their relationship romantic, and have addressed that certain situations in the series are completely intentional (For example, on the Tiger Side OVA, Kotetsu started reading magazines featuring an actress that "he saw in a dream", said actress looks quite similar to Barnaby). Same happens with the Merch, Digital Clocks with interactions, Manga, CD Dramas, and even gacha games, that all interactions portrayed are in fact canon and established (The Interactive Clocks have some interesting audios of both Kotetsu and Barnaby, as if they were talking on the same bed)
According to the creators "Kotetsu and Barnaby have a romantic relationship, that's how we see them but we let others have the freedom to not interpret their relationship that way", there is also to note that both Masakazu Katsura (Original mangaka and character designer) and Hiroshi Ueda (current Mangaka) do encouraging illustrations about this romantic interpretation of their relationship, mostly Ueda to be honest.
Thank you so much! It's insane how canonised the relationship is! Have you got the source for that romantic relationship quote? If I ever do another T&B video I would love to use it!!
Do you know where to find the audios or quotes of the interactive clocks? :(
My favorite of this instances was the manga artist saying that if they were going to marry Barnard signs on the wife space of the marriage certificate
So no
Hey!! Just wanted to make a kind correction that Nathan/Fire Emblem is actually canonically Transfem while being attracted to men ^^ OVERALL AMAZING VIDEO LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I think watching it with the dub gave me a really warped perception of Nathan's character since they are presented so differently compared to canon! But thank you so much!!
@@garfieldkermit Understandable since in the rising they changed her quote from, "they said a man is made of courage, and a woman is made of love, so what does that mean for people who are [both]" to gay instead which can create some confusion. But yes they use the feminine pronoun "watashi" when referring to herself in japanese!! either way i'm glad they didn't erase her queerness even if they changed it a bit in the eng dub
I got the impression FE was Nonbinary due to the use of "Both" and uses Watashi to primarily give themselves a big sister-type vibe (DK uses Boku, a masculine pronoun, despite identifying as female still), and the first episode of season 2 opens with Mario reffering to FE as "They" throught his Hero TV announcer commentary if I recall. Their expression is clearly on the femminine side regardless, though.
No... He's not, but whatever...
she’s nb 😌 watashi is not exclusive to female 😅
while i love the romantic interpretation of kotetsu and barnaby's relationship, i like that they kept it ambiguous in canon. i think that i prefer portrayals that are more open to interpretation when romance isn't one of the most important points of the story, even if it's in regard of a (seemingly) het pairing
honestly i think u put their relationship perfectly into words🤞great video
Thank you so much, glad you enjoyed it!!
Kotetsu is a bisexual king who we love
They have eleven released pairs of rings you can buy, which is a crazy number to think about.
Happy to see someone discuss this genuinely, I do love a good bit of "omg, they absolutely are romantic, look at this." type of discussion but it's nice to see someone going into a bit of depth AND talking about fire emblem as well. Their scene in the rising was really touching as a queer person myself, and I enjoy how they improved their character over the seasons.
(Also, Ryan telling T&B they're made for eachother, and that they're the only partners for one another in the rising? lmao)
So glad you enjoyed it! Really hoping we get a third season, but with Netflix I don't want to get my hopes up
I dont think its queerbaiting because I think that what their relationship is suppsoed to be its close but the two of them dont need to confirm it though the creators have confirmed it can be read either way
I just think it suits the characters to not talk about their feelings that could potentially ruin their relationship
Also Tiger could still be wary of his dead wife
Which is why in my opinion their relationship is potrayed as a will they wont they but not in a baiting way more in a will these two dumbass finally realise that its love
Or it coukd be read as a QPR
Couldn’t have said it better myself, PREACH 👏
Didn’t the creators confirm that there relationship is open to both sides of the spectrum here?
No
Honestly the coupling of Kotetsu and Barnaby is a lot better than Kotetsu and Blue Rose
Definitely, their age gap in s1 especially is part of why her crush on him feels gross
@@garfieldkermit I've been rewatching the series and knowing that her crush remains one sided, it makes me more comfortable in enjoying her pining as the adorableness of youth.
@@garfieldkermitI actually love that this is one instance where the crush was used to develop Karina as a character and not to make kotetsu seem cool, witch is what female character admiration for a male character is usually used for. Instead it’s used as the catalyst to see what she wants to do with her life and what means to be a hero for her specifically, and it’s never shown kotetsu considering this as a romance whatsoever
This was a great video, when it comes to queer rep, have you ever watched double decker? By the same studio that made tiger and bunny, it got a bit of hate because when it was announced people wanted another tiger and bunny season and instead that show was released. But it continues the studios style of having casual queer characters on the story and a lot of diversity, I gave it a second watch and it was super fun and sweet, and I think it shows an improvement on their representation that started with tiger and bunny. I also recommend watching the little watch party interviews that season 2 included here on TH-cam, where the creators talk about their work and how society has changed and reflecting on characters like Nathan, they give fantastic insights on their efforts
I love seeing people doing this introspective cuz nowdays i barely seen Tiger & Bunny fans 😔😔
Nice video ;)
Glad you liked it, hope the series doesn't stay underrated forever!
In my opinion I think tiger and bunny are just partners. I like the idea that the show can exist without the need to romanticize its characters and while I did like the blue rose x tiger idea it felt kinda off, and blue rose did decide to stop pursuing him. I think all the characters just being friends adds to their professionalism as superheroes, so they don't get caught up in all that drama. idk I think this is my aromantic brain taking but they did leave it ambiguous for a reason and I intend on using it for my personal enjoyment.
I was literally thinking the same thing!! Like tiger and bunny’s bond can just be happily summarized as just partners that look out for each other romantic or plantonic it doesn’t matter cause yk they got that typa “heart to heart” (yes the mac demarco song and the ace ppl showing love trend tiktok commonly paired with said song) comforting trust and aura to their relationship that it just don’t needa to be verbalized! Periodd🔥 (Lol srry for nerding out but frfr agreed dude)
I think that definitely is a plus of them leaving it ambiguous is that it lets people enjoy different readings of the characters - romance can often feel like it comes out of nowhere in shows, so I'm glad you could enjoy this one more because it wasn't shoehorned in!
I can't be the only one who thinks Barnaby is very gay-coded...
Surprise! Kotetsu and Barnaby are parthers, but like romantic parthers!!!🤭🤭🤭🤭
marriage ova when tho
@@garfieldkermit OH GOSH
……
Not everything is Gay😞
Not yet
They aren't gay, they are just roommates.
"Oh my gad, they were roommates 😮"
🤦🏽♂️. People are really reaching there acting like bromances were never a thing . Tiger and bunny are unlikely best friends that work together as a team like rush hour/ men and blk. If this came out in 2005 it wouldn’t even be a question. But in 2023 two men that are close friends = gay. Bunny might be gay because his relationship with his friend in season 2 is suspect but him and tiger no way.
why is bunny’s relationship with mattia any different? theyre also just 2 friends. Your logic isnt making sense, also most of the creators of the show say it was meant to be romantic but left it open for interpretation for the viewers so everyone can enjoy
they been gay in 2011 cry mad about it 🥱
Lmao, people have been shipping bromances waaay before 2005, tiger and bunny came out in 2011 not 2023 and has had a fanbase for more than 10 years where the relationship between kotetsu and barnaby is one of the main pillars, why do you act like it’s so crazy for people to think they are romantically involved