SIPs Framing Update 2023 - Extreme Panel System Install w/ Will King
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- Matt and Will King sit down with the Extreme Panel Technologies team to answer all your questions about Extreme SIPs. They sit down with builder and developer, Matthew Churnock to talk about speed, cost-efficiency and how Matthew has transitioned his projects. This is a real deep dive to answer all your Extreme SIPs questions - covering topics like cost and advantages of using Extreme SIPs over traditional stick framing.
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I'd like to see a follow-up episode specifically on installing all the electrical, plumbing and HVAC. Very great system, would love to design a house specifically using your SIPS.
My question exactly
Mine too. Especially plumbing
Matt, thanks for covering SIPs! Any chance you guys can cover metal/steel SIPs?
Good idea! Let me work on that. Appreciate the feedback
@@buildshow Whoa, that'd be pretty cool🙏
@buildshow Matt come check out my build with steel sips and EAS windows going up soon in upstate ny
@@magictrading8903 up state ? What town I lived up in Cambridge near Bennington VT side .
@@magictrading8903 where in upstate NY ? I am building in Catskill. Can you post a video ?
I built a 30x40 urethane SIP shop in 2004 outside Tucson AZ. It had SIP roof panels and 20x30 apron in front with roof, it took a crew of 4 guys only 2 days to set up. I put radiant heat in the floor connected to a solar heated water tank and was happy all winter long. I got a mini split AC and turned it on for about 2 hours a day in the summer. I just loved working in the shop...
That is Amazing!
That is absolutely mind blowing how fast these guys can put up the stuff the energy efficiency as a total package is mind blowing
Can you tell about your radiant heat system? I am very interested in how that really works. Thanks.
Please show electrical, plumbing, and hvac installation with sips 😊
Hey there! Thanks for the collaboration Build Show team! We're thrilled to have had the opportunity to answer all your questions about Extreme SIPs. We hope your viewers found the deep dive informative and helpful. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask! 🏗️🔩
I will definitely have to check them out to get an estimate on my simple home design. Since I am hoping to do most of the work myself on 1000-1200 sqft home, this could make things alot easier on me and I won't have to plan so much for all the air sealing and structural items like hurricane ties (i'm in south GA but some of these hurricanes have made it close to us in the past few years so i would like to see a little extra strength in my home design).
It be interesting to get a video of an electric/ plumber install
indeed cavaliers! that would be great!
2 questions I have:
1. you say you can hang (almost, im sure) anything anywhere. what about those electrical & plumbing raceways...are those protected or just soo out of the way that you won't have to worry about putting a screw thru it??
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2. i should mention i love, love the construction technique! what about damage after a fire or water . . . how easy/difficult is it to repair that? maybe go into a little detail please and thank you gents! good stuff for sure : )
What is the Density Per Cubic Ft. on the EPS Foam in the SIP?
I used to run a company back in 2008 to sell small buildings as offices etc.
There were many other competitors to me but I was the only one to offer sips construction. As I was a solo operator, I didn't have a real chance to compete.
I managed to sell one. As far as I know, it still standing. I was built better than the owners house as far at earthquakes go. The planners ask me for shear wall plans and I explained to them that the whole building was a shear wall. Long beach planners had never seen a sips project before.
I rented a penske truck and drove the whole thin out there. May Dad tagged along for moral support.
I spent 3 week busting my arse to put this thing together while my Dad enjoyed the best 3 weeks of his life.
When I got it finished, I drove my dad to Huntington beach and he waded into the Pacific. That was the prize for him. Me, I was knackered. I got a rental car the next day to drive all the back to MD.
The inspector came to look over my build and The building was better than the owner's house.
I still have ptsd from that event. If I drive on the first road that memories appear.
Thanks, Matt and Extreme Panel, for having us on this episode!
Hope one day they take SIPs to the next level and start making ZIP-SIPs.
Eco-Panels of Tennessee
A friend of mine is a SIP builder. He gets his panels from Extreme which is about a 7 or 8 hour drive from the Black Hills. He does blower door tests on all his homes and He is extremely finicky about fitment and sealing. I"ve toured the Extreme panel plant and my cousin built some of the early equipment for SIP manufacturing. Next time you talk to Perry Penske or whomever you speak with, ask them about the curved roof panels they built for an architect in the Minneapolis suburbs. I've seen the house and it's damn cool. Funny, I wrote my remarks before you went to Kansas so I was a little surprised to see Perry on the jobsite. My builder friend has flown or driven to remote build sites to erect SIPS homes.
I am lucky enough to know your builder friend. He is building a house for me these days.
It would be interesting to see ZIP sheathing on the exterior and really streamline the dry in process
Eco-Panel of Tennessee has the zip exterior sheathing as an option. But I haven’t found any manufacturers west of the Mississippi, and I’m in Idaho. I have a couple of the manufacturers close to me who I asked if they would do it as an option, and they aren’t interested. I’m trying to figure out a breathable self adhering membrane, I can apply on the ground…. I’m designing for a 12:12 pitch on the south facing roof to mount solar panels to, and being able to get a water barrier on it while on the ground would make life much easier.
@@randallthomas5207 Why not apply Delta Vent SA after it's built, the traditional way? I assume it'll go faster and be more water-tight. My plan is to wrap the whole house in that from foundation to roof ridge. I checked with the manufacturer that it can be used as the only roofing underlayment. Also, Eco-Panel does ship anywhere in the country as far as I could tell.
@@stevemarton5620 Shipping cost becomes quite high shipping from Tennessee to Central Idaho. And I will want to dry it in as soon as it is up. I’m going with SIPs because I can erect them with a couple of helpers. There will be a daylight basement, planning on it being ICF, with an ICF concrete ceiling which will function as the floor of the upstairs of the house. The lot has a ten foot drop over 15-ft from the upper level to where the basement will daylight. So wrapping half of the upper floor will involve erecting scaffolding. If I could rent an all terrain man lift, locally I would wrap after the SIPs are up. And with a 12:12 roof pitch for much of the south side with the basement walls and the main floor walls combining for a twenty foot drop from the roof edge, I want to have the roof deck ready to install the metal roof, with a minimum of work on e south facing roof. A 12:12 is a bit steep. The north roof is a 4:12. Lots more comfortable to work on, particularly with only a 12-ft drop on that side.
@@randallthomas5207 Are you certain on this shipping? EcoPanel of TN is actually shipping mine to New York in a few weeks. But the cost of shipping vastly beats our higher cost of labor. Plus I was interested in the ZIP.
@@jamespetty1510 Haven’t gotten quotes, but Idaho, and Montana are both very non-Union, and have extremely low wages. And Tennessee is a long ways from Idaho. I will probably ask them to quote the package, and double check that though, the use of Zip Sheathing would eliminate some of the other concerns. Particularly on the roof panels.
Re Electrical: It is really fast if you make up some plywood template, and use a router with a plunge panel bit to cut the boxes in. You end up with a hole a little larger than your box, which is true and plumb, the depth of the box. Once you see it done, it is really easy.
How do you secure the wires if there are no studs?
@@jaybbuilder To the box. The code normally requires the staples because it is exposed , and they don’t want it jerked loose if something snags on it. Since it is in the chase, it can’t get snagged.
I would really enjoy watching you and Extreme Panel Systems build a start to finish home in Texas.
Matt, please continue making long videos like this. I watch content like this as pretty much my only source of entertainment (I don't watch regular TV programming.
Matt, this was a really helpful video and I hope you do more on SIPs. I'm a residential designer and the one thing I found missing was a discussion about how to accommodate geometry that's a bit more complicated than a gabled rectangle. From a designer's perspective, I'd like to design for efficient use of SIPs but not at the expense of having to eliminate a bunch of design features such as L-shaped plans, steeper roofs, perhaps with dormers, porches, etc.
I like the roofing aspect. I think it would be cool to merge ICF walls with SIPs roof. I think ICF has better natural disaster prevention, no thermal break from slab to roof, and it's a lot harder for a rodent/bugs to eat through concrete.
Same here. I would love to see an ICF foundation and wall and then this for the roof.
I agree, ICF walls and a SIP roof with ZIP sheathing used on the outside panel.
This is how I came to this video. Seems like a real good idea, if you don't want to do ICF roof pours.
I've been waiting for a live SIP build video. I was hoping to see more install details highlighted but hopefully The Build Show will take on a SIP build and highlight the build with the various details of the panel installation but also of the electrical, plumbing, and mechanical systems being installed. Seems like this would be a great collaboration with Extreme Panel Technologies...wink, wink...
100% looking forward to that!
For the life of me I can’t understand why there isn’t more coverage and usage of steel sips. Totally superior in every way to even a plywood sip panel. Lighter. Stronger. Can be structural as well
Oh and let’s talk about wood splines and spray foam between panels. Take a look at steel sip panels. Goes together with male - female connectors
Same! I've been researching this topic for over a decade.. There are even more advantages than what you listed with steel sips over wood. Blows my freakin mind🙃
Well I put my money where my mouth is and I’m building with steel SIPs panels. I did a ton of research and could not phantom building with formaldehyde glued particle board over foam instead….
You make them very tight sealed around Plumbing and so on ! and sealed properly in between them then you put whatever on them rubber even whatever you want lay down two-by-fours laid flat vertical walls and roof then you can put steal whatever plywood osb again even, your doing a
cold roof and the walls at the same time then vent.
He didn't explain the electric or plumbing well enough. How do you fish the wire for normal outlets? Or main panels?
Plumbing must be a nightmare.
Matt, have watched Build show for years and years. Love to see the new set and you leveling up your youtube game. The sound on the interview though had such an echo that it was distracting. Sound treating the room would really help in getting clearer audio.
The folks down in Maui need these NOW!
Such a great video Matt, confirms a lot about what I think and feel about SIP building. Would have liked to hear more about cost analysis. OK,10% more mats. cost, 30% less labor, but Navigate did not mention what the typical labor/materials cost mix is on stick or SIP building.
My 1954 house was designed by an architect, and it's the same design beams with sprayed foam ceiling with silicone coating roof. I only had to add zip r6 around the house, and energy savings are mind-blowing. It's a great design
We’re are using Eco-panel of Tennessee and they have been great so far. What I am struggling with is finding a HVAC person that understands SIPS.
I have been looking at Eco-panel of Tennessee for a future build myself. I like how they already have the electrical boxes and conduit built in. Was their "kit" as complete as the one they are talking about in this video?
Matt Risinger,
I have researched SIPS panel construction pretty thoroughly.
The one thing that is absolutely critical in building with SIPS is moisture control. There are documented large-scale failures of SIPS built communities in cold climates from moisture penatration into the chip board sheathing (which caused all the problems that come with sealed in moisture).
The panel joints must be sealed 100%, and the exterior wrap must be vapor permeable to not trap moisture in the wooden components of the structure. I would seal the interior SIPS joints with the proper tape style system if I were in a severe winter area.
I say this because in this episode, you mentioned wanting to see someone apply a liquid exterior moisture gaurd product. If someone did this with the wrong product in the wrong situation, it can be a costly mistake.
Thank you, for all the good information over the last several years!
The Alaska debacle was epic
Another great video. I'm looking at "building" a 1,600 sqft ranch w/basement, retirement home in Northern Wisconsin later this year (32' x 50'). I was originally thinking about buying a modular home but you have got me questioning my thought process. Using the panels as part of the floor system wasn't even on my radar as possibility. Insulating the exterior of the foundation, adding radiant floor heat in the basement slab and garage / workshop floors. A small traditional HVAC for heating and cooling the main floor. My mind is racing right now. I would also love to hear more about the low voltage lighting that was mentioned. The ceiling lighting still seems like the biggest question mark to me. Oh, and what is the approximate lead time to get the panels made? Thanks to everyone helping with the video.
How is it made hurricane proof? Hurricane strips, or is there something built into the walls and roof panels that is equally strong?
GREAT VIDEO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would like to see more videos with this SIP SYSTEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for this video. I have learned so much on SIPS.
So much for the guys narrating the wall assembly
Lots of good info been excited for this episode to drop.
$200/sf!! That's amazing. We're double that in New England for a very basic house. My next build in 2024 will be traditional stick built, but I'm strongly considering doing the garage with SIPs.
This is great, I've been waiting for something like this. I will be building in the next year or so and this is perfect. Thanks for this vid Matt!
Awesome! Very welcome
really excellent video. long form but I watched every bit of it
Can’t wait for yall to build one. I’m building next year and would love to see a step by step first.
Excellent !
Really love this video! I’m curious about metal SIP systems and how they compare. One worry I have with a SIP system is mice and bugs gaining entry over time.
I have that worry as well. But I'm not sure it's much worse than any other wood framing. Can you think of any reasons it would be worse? You have OSB on the outside either way, and some insulation inside of that, either batts or foam. Is styrofoam easier to burrow into than other open or closed cell foams?
@@stevemarton5620 I believe that there are some insecticide properties mixed in with the EPS. Plus, the seal so much tighter than batt insulation.
@@sambennett5441 Somewhere in there they talked about the OSB skin being treated with sodium borates for insect resistance.
Brilliant video.
Glad you enjoyed it
I framed a timber frame home 16 years ago with a SIP skin, walls and roof. We put together a 3200 sf house in 6 weeks, it had a fairly complex roofline.
I was always amazed I’ve never done another one. I was truly impressed with the product.
Great job Matt. Will meet you one day
So you said no Thermal bridging but what about your headers (both the top plates and the headers for doors and windows)? Realize it cuts out 90% of the thermal bridges, would be nice to maybe see in the future a mock-wood foam surround for all the header locations.
Second thought, the house you show is very simple construction with a straight wall and single layer roof, so the easiest of homes to build. What about more complex structures, does Extreme do those as well (like other SIP panel makers do)? And when you get inside to the lam beams, would you explain how those get installed (are there precut notches for them? are they glued or screwed or what is the method of affixing them)? And then inside if you want a modified ceiling, like tray or coffered, beamed or vaulted, do you simply attach 2x4s to the osb (screw penetration lengths?)? Thanks
A rep from Extreme Panel mentioned in the comments that they've done geometry as complex as geodesic domes.
I’d like to see Build show interview a high end builder that uses SIPS, seems like a lot of SIP construction is in relatively simple architecture, not complicated high end custom architecture homes
Great point. I’ve done three SIPs homes and they have been more simple forms/architecture but definitely were high end builds. Simplify the plans for best SIPs use
I'm one of the draftsman for Extreme and believe me we have done some ridiculously complicated buildings. We've even done some geodesic domes.
I’m a builder with extreme panel. A simple plan can help keep the cost down in the panel package.
Anything that can be stick framed can be done with SIPS.
@@nathanhoekstra6321 just saying I’d like to have seen a complex elaborate home design in this video. Don’t think I’ve ever seen a SIP build that was elaborate and complex architecturally speaking. Not saying you can’t do them, but there’s clearly a reason why most people avoid sips in architecturally, elaborate, and complex designs. Would have liked to see some commentary in the discussion about why this is; otherwise I thought the video was very fair and balanced regarding pros of sips and misconceptions of its weaknesses.
@@Ed-jg3ud Yes it seems like implementing complicated geometry would be easier to factory fabricate with automated precision cutting than leaving it to framers who have to measure every stick.
this was a very interesting show. Unfortunately you did not cover a few things i was hoping for. one was of course the detail between wall and roof. It looks like that is a big thermo bridge and also a possible air leak. The other was a lost opportunity with Matt. He explained that he buillt 2 SIPS houses and an identical stick house. Unfortunately he did not make a cost comparison between the 2 system. And he clearly said that was the purpose of using both techniques.
SIPs look highly flammable. I used 5" MIPs instead (metal insulated panels) to create a fireproof home, with R42 exterior walls and roof. They are expensive though, but the savings in labor is significant. They have finished metal skins on both sides: no OBS or plywood skins, no Tyvex, no finished exterior material no interior outer wall paint. My entire structure for my 1700 sq foot home is metal. There is virtually no wood in the home. I also used MgO instead of plywood and drywall for the 1-1/4" floors and 1/2" interior walls. About $150/sq ($240,000).
Rapid flame propagation across Reynobond MIPS were implicated in the disastrous 2017 Grenfell Tower fire.
Did I miss it in the video, was there a discussion about fire rating and wind shear. How would this withstand high winds compared to a stick home build?
Hi Matt, not sure how to contact you lol. I would love to see your input and ideas on log home air barrier techniques and other details such as wiring, plumbing and so on. Love your channel by the way !
Oh, also I’m in Canada and would love to see some more of your northern climate videos :) thanks for all the Great tips.
Very informative.
Misses and I are about to begin construction in Nova Scotia, Canada eh.
When you mention products on your show would you be so kind as to ask your suppliers about outlets on the east coast of that huge country on top of the USA (LOL).
Truly appreciate your show and all the other trades for sharing their experience.
I would have liked to see details on how the roof panels attach to the walls. How would this work for a metal roof? Will panels come with 3/4” plywood?
A great video
22:51 that man had me at 0.2, 0.3........
Now that you have done the deep dive, I would like to see a comparison between different manufactures. I assume that the R value, strength are comparable but what other little features set the different manufactures apart.
Nice content. Maybe not new technology as you mentioned but improved methods to utilizing it. Gives me ideas.
Matt, thanks for introduce us the SIP. I am looking for a better roof insulation yet first time know SIP. Would you mind to add installation details? 1) Screws only tight to bottom OSB, will the foam shifts so top/bottom OSB seperate? 2)how to add gutters? 3)how to fill ridge and board connection? 4)any suppplier for bay area CA?
I wonder if this would be possible with hemp instead of foam to help increase the environmental factor. Id honestly love a SIP house with an ICF basement.
Matt, you really do need to build a SIPs house soon! It's too late for me, I'm jumping in, with a decent SIPs company, but I hope there are not many pitfalls and costs that are not advertised and I haven't been able to sniff out. Or long term durability issues. Sure, electrical and plumbing are different, but we know the solutions there. I wonder if there are hidden pitfalls no one talks about which makes it less of a no-brainer. Really looking forward to you building one and giving an honest review of the pros, cons, and realistic costs involved. Because the package itself is not that expensive, especially on an expensive house.
We did a SIP addition from Extreme Panel. I did everything myself and it was a timber frame with a SIP shell. I can't overstate how down right impressed I was. I did stick frame the floor for plumbing purposes. I could see an argument either way on the floor. They didn't mention it here but at the Extreme Summit in Cottonwood, MN Josh was nice enough to invite us on a house tour and we got to see his SIP basement. If I was doing new construction that is probably the way I would go. But to speak on the readiness, professionalism, and quality, working with Extreme was top notch.
There’s a panel manufacturer here in Central Missouri that builds the panels and runs metal conduit, places the boxes for outlets, switches and lights, etc. inside the panel. Then they spray foam the panel.
AM i missing something? The continuous inch of solid wood at the bottom and roof are the points with the weakest cross sectional 'R' value. I am assuming that there is no further 'exterior insulation. In that case wont this be worse that having solid wood studs + exterior zip 9 system ? what are the pros for extreme SIP in terms of performance compared to say a zip 9 exterior insulation
Built a SIP home for a customer over 20 years ago. 2700 sq ft house put up by panel fabricator crew of three in five and a half days. The half day was spent foam sealing the roof panel joints.
Funny experience with customer and energy usage. The customer built a fire in his new fire place the first night he was in house. He forgot to close the fire place damper after his first fire. Many weeks later he realized he was using more fuel oil than expected. Several weeks later he recalled opening the damper and checked to see if he had closed it. He found it open, closed it and literally quit using fuel oil.
been following your content for a good while now and appreciate all of the information you make consumable for those not in the trades. what are your thoughts on sheetrock alternatives like plastermax?
Please schedule/plan a video about the Hercuwall wall assembly. It's manufactured in Arizona and has steel studs, poured concrete between insulation panels.
Awesome show!
I’ve had the exact questions in my head for a while. Definitely building my forever home like this.
It would be interesting to see how these panels perform in a seismic zone for lateral movement, didn't see any real anchorage to the foundations or hold downs. Lag bolting through the osb at the bottom to the sill plate seems questionable.
I also wonder what the time frame to build the panels in the factory is, this needs to be taken into account for construction time too.
I would mount electrical all on the surface similar to how you would in a shop. I like the look and it's super easy to access if you need to later on. I would order without the channels in the foam.
Why not coat the outside panel like a Zip sheathing panel? Or use a roll on liquid WRB?
What is the fire rating?
How can different heat (electric, wood, gas) / air conditioning /heated flooring be used and installed all the systems have different requirements for ducting and air exchange? Does all this come as part of the purchase?
I am in Chicago were you have to use conduit for your electrical, how do you do that in sips panel's
Awesome video. Why don’t they make their panels with Zip exterior…
I’m curious if you couldn’t use Zip Board for the exterior skin and forego the wrap.
Reading another comment has me curious about curved panels. I’m really getting excited about this product.
Thanks guys!
There are some manufacturers that use this "Eco Panels" is one.
I don't know if the company in the video does (I don't see why they wouldn't), but other companies do offer Zip for the outer sheeting.
How to you add reinforced areas for, lets say, toilet & shower grab bars, wide curain rods ect...? Is that done when they are manufactured?
What about hurricane bracing? Diaphragm bracing is awesome in this system but they didn’t address hold down bracing for seismic or straight line wind loads?
The metal installation screws cause a surprising amount of thermal bridging on the roof. Hopefully progress is made on some of the newer materials (basalt based stuff, etc.) that will eventually replace the metal. Good but could be better.
Yes, this is my understanding.
So I’m thinking why not a frame with the SIPs fastened from the interior? (In search for a better envelope). Easier to wire… yup it would cost more but.
Feel free to rain on my idea 😂. I built a house, made a lot of mistakes and I’m looking to avoid a repeat.
Why don't the splines come factory installed on one edge of the panel? Why ship them loose to the site when they could be attached with continuous fed adhesive at the factory on at least one panel edge and save time on the jobsite with dozens of those sausages? And how are ceiling fixtures handled - are the electrical chases already in the roof panel and do we need to fur out for recessed LED lighting?
I would add the extra 6-1/2” to the perimeter of the slab and build a 2x4 wall in the inside of it all. That would give you easy access for electrical and plumbing. I don’t like that you are depending on just 1-1/2” of osb to hold down the walls to the slab.
I'd like to know the details for what the finish surface options are for the interior.
Really, any surface could be attached to the interiar.
Cool!
So can/should a spray on vapor barrier be applied prior to or after erected? …think prosoco? Or similar…?
Is it possible to get SIPs with some kind of pressure treated coating or use pressure treated plywood?
Seems like the combo of the 3D printed shell, with SIP roofs would be a winning combination.
Besides the obvious detriment to the environment of toxic foam, how do you get the structural hold down integrity?
The thermal bridging at the top plate is a huge oversight in this design. Otherwise the panels themselves look great.
And I didn't see any slab edge insulation either...
I'm really interested in these for my own house. looks good and fast.....so saving the builder time never means savings for the customer.
Do they have a more traditional SIP over standard truss type of system some rooms will have a traditional attic?
What about wind ratings for hurricanes/tornadoes? I didn’t see any straps or anchors for that.
- SIPS is a system (Typically the second S) of Insulated Panels forming the Structure of the entire building... (The system part matters most)
As (I think the questioner means) asked below, is there a SIP manufacturer where the external sheathing has pressure activated adhesive backed building wrap preinstalled?? (we don't need Huber branding per-se).
Add solar to the roof and the build easily approaches some energy parity over an expected sub-unit lifetime.
Do they support the R51 wall for small interiors? e.g. a walk in fridge can work at R26, but is super efficient at R51.
Unsure. Give them a call
You can put anything in it .
So with sips how do you install the electrical and plumbing?
I’d be curious to find out if people with chemical sensitivity would fine it tolerable with envelope off-gassing?
At minute 4:45 you start talking about the fact that there is no thermal bridging in the walls or the roof because there are no wood studs or rafters within the SIP panels and therefore the building envelope acts las one continuous "system" of continuous insulation (like a styrofoam cooler) and yet in looking at the mockup there are two large wood top plates and that triangular spacer block that completely span from inside to outside. Also, at minute 8:25 you show two large bottom plates that act as thermal bridges.
These construction details seem to be a pretty big thermal break in the building envelope. How do you deal with this in the field, especially in climates that are a lot colder than Texas?
With a SIPS build, the thermal bridging is greatly reduced but not completely eliminated. Some lumber is still needed for support in certain areas but far better than a stick framed project.
@yansoo4000 - I thought about that too, as well as the voids in the insulation every few feet for electrical and plumbing runs. Not perfect, but better than stick built.
This has been the next big thing since the 1970's. I haven't seen them gain traction in all this time.
Probably because SIP-houses are very difficult to rebuild and have a very lousy sound insulation.
How do electricians install emt conduit which is required by code???
I could not find any info on wind ratings. Growing up in Florida, we worry about Hurricanes in construction. I heard you are traveling to Mississippi to build on the coast, but many of the houses I see built in Mississippi don't have the same wind codes Florida uses. I like ICF but the cost is limiting, but a Hurricane not destroy it. At the end you were talking of building one of these. If at all possible, I would love to see two homes built, near each other (same codes) one with SIPS and the other traditional. If the two homes were the same floor plans, you could compare apple to oranges for a real comparison. Maybe we as a community could team up with a charity like folds of honor to build two homes for them. The other advantage of this system I did not see mentioned, is the labor shortages. This faster build time would make a big difference on the shortage of help.
I was waiting to hear about termites and SIPs. I planned for a long time to build a SIP house but after retiring ended up with a spec house in The Chattanooga area. My builder was above average for the area but since the vast majority of people working in construction in this area are illegal immigrants 1970’s technology is cutting edge for them. People from Guatemala just can’t wrap their head around energy efficiency and our inspectors really just don’t care, my friend that’s a builder here has to show the inspectors things that are wrong and ask them to fail the inspection so they can force the subs to fix it.
Illegal immigration also short circuits the generational learning cycle. Historic Americans are cut out of apprentice work by low wage illegal labor.
would be awesome for Extreme Panel to offer a WRB adhered to the external OSB from the factory.
@sladeoriginal And they ought to install those splines into at least one panel edge at the factory as well instead of delivering them loose, would save half the labor on the onsite adhesive application.
As a prospective home owner who would like to USE a system like this ... when you ALSO use SIPS for SUBFLOORING, do you need extra wood built into the SIPS to attach the inner, 2x4"-inch wall framing/bases to, so that the screwed, or nail gun connection is strong enough? Do you use a glue, then place the interior framing over that? And is there a water barrier that needs to be taped down/applied to the SUBFLOOR SIPS panels? Certainly, it can be a huge problem if water gets through to the SIPS subfloor top sheathing layer.
And are you placing the subfloor ON shorter wood joists, I-Joists, Scissor Trusses, etc.? Or how many feet can your run the panels before you need a joist to prevent sagging over time. Thanks...
Give extreme panels a call and they can answer all your questions. Great company!
There is a thermal bridge between the top of the wall and the bottom of the roof. That triangle needs some insulation.
When there is vapor pressure in a cold climate winter heating time, how is vapor prevented from migrating through the roof panel joints and condensing as it reaches the dew point? As seen in earlier roof sip installations this can result in outside skin rot and discoloration of roofing material over the joints.
Sips are generally sold with a sealant which is applied at all the joints and sill connections to prevent vapor migration.
Could please talk about using SIPS with basement foundation.
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As far as I understand the foam in SIPS panels is petroleum-based and doesn't decompose, which would be the deal-breaker for many people and possibly some jurisdictions in the coming years as they try to make construction a bit more environmentally-friendly. I remember a whole movement to rid society of polystyrene food containers (at least here in Australia). If it a bio-degradable alternative material could be used, then SIPS would be awesome.
Would like to see a build with ICF walls and SIPs roof 😊
I thought the same thing, but I bet the SIP company wouldn't go for it as they are not in control of the whole thing, and if things don't go together, the homebuilder would take the blame.
@@markstipulkoski1389 I don’t think there will be a problem if Extreme Panel works with an architect and builder providing a light weight super strong insulated roof. Extreme Panels I bet would work with engineering of their roof for snow loads and support for spans of their products. I have 15 acres I’m looking to build on in the central mountains of Idaho, I want forest fire resistants, energy efficiency for winter and summer.
Check out Pure Living For Life SIP build lol
@@cheeseburger9232 Thanks for the suggestion. I skimmed through some of the videos, and what they built was an ICF walkout basement and SIP 1st floor. What I was talking about was an ICF basement AND 1st floor, topped off with a SIP panel roof. Where the SIP roof panels meet the ICF wall would be the area of concern. The SIP company would probably say "You're on your own with that" and make no guarantees that it would work. SIP panel roofs are not recommended for anything other than a simple gable or mono-slope roofs. Hips and valleys make using them difficult.
@@markstipulkoski1389 they had trouble with their sips they had to go back and spray foam into areas, he got all the over spray gobs and put it into the ridge , seems like it’s not wroth it.
I wonder if they could cut a licensing deal with Zip or another system to use for the exterior instead of untreated OSB. That would really cut down on the concerns with OSB.
Seems good, but what happens to the bond between the plywood and foam if Moisture gets between them. 20 years from now I see the roof getting blowen off.
Keep imagining. I ve been using sips since early 90s and the panels are as good now as they were when we installed them. Quality install is key and that’s across the board. It doesn’t matter what materials you use.
There is no in between. The whole inside surface of the OSB is coated with glue. If the right glue is use then the glue itself repels any moisture that gets near the bonded surface. This is the same with ZIP tape with the correct adhesive the tape will not peel of due to moisture.