I genuinely want to know why there is so much hate for vertigo? Its not like it is my favourite map either, just want to know what are the issues with it which I am not aware of
well everyone named cobble but only because cobble was the worst of the best lol. cobble was a fantastic map and if you looked at all the maps that have been in the comp pool, cobble would be in the upper half for sure, with most of the today's pool being at the bottom. basically everyone says cobble becaues cache, overpass and train have been staples for so many years (and they have been staples for a reason, they were all fantsatic), while cobble was still just a soldi map.
@@zezanje1 Everyone said cobble, because the new version of cobble is terrible. That map would be the worst map to ever exist in competitive if it made its way down there.
@@tioh5915You know the saying "old but gold". Dust2 is a classic , you can't say CS without this map , especially for the 1.6 era , it will remain in peoples hearts as the main icon map of the game - if they would remove those maps you listed , it will be a completely new game so is not worth it , switch to Valorant if you want more map rotations and new locations - CS should remain a classic not a pace full of changes which eventually will collapse the current state of the game.
@@FEVERtkt I know that CS hardcore fans, especially the Russian ones, are mainly conservative in nature. Doesn't change what would be the right decision for the game, especially to attract new players and reactivate leaved players. No, the solution isn't to rotate out the already few relatively new maps. The solution is to rotate out the old ones for a certain period of time to create variety. The pass has done nothing in terms of player numbers. Disappointment is growing throughout the player base. New content is needed - now and, above all, on a regular basis.
tripping. vertigo was perfect in csgo... you could say that about black gold map maybe... that was the first map i played and it reminded me of cod and i never even played a fps game before csgo lol
really? im not a huge vertigo fan but i don't get "counter strike vibe" i mean it is an OG CS map at the end of the day I used to play it in 1.3. The fact they have to keep updating it though might hint that hey its not that good if u have to change it 100x times. Still iv grown to like it a bit personally
@@ScoopsIsTheGoat BEST MAPS FOR AWPERS... ramp, mid, retaking B, awping at B entrance , awping on B site entrance stairs, using steel beams to peak for awping, that secret edge on CT side to B site is beast at peak awping retaking B, A site sandbags, A site boxes looking at A ramp, ramp sandbags, rushing mid and awping T's coming up stairs for mid, awping at T's from mid sandbags, awping A site mid to CT's running thru CT spawn to A site from B site after bomb planted
They're probably having it just for the sake of diversity, since vertigo is the only map with the most verticality, and majority of the playerbase is into more horizontal maps like mirage/ancient
Honestly what Aleksi is saying is true. Sometimes making a lot of changes and feeling things out is a good thing, like Nuke and Overpass had a lot of changes and ended up being great. But Vertigo needs to go and make space for another map, it's like polishing a turd at this point.
As someone who actually likes the current iteration of Vertigo, true! Maybe put it in the Reserve pool and put Overpass back in. I'd really like new maps to replace Dust2 and Mirage at once, just so people choose something else in matchmaking. Even if the new ones are bad in the beginning, there's still Nuke, Ancient, Anubis and Inferno.
@@jeffreyespiritujr.4365 Yes, I'm actually just suggesting putting objectively worse maps in the place of Dust2 and Mirage just for the sake of freshness. Will it make the pros angry? Yeah. Will it be way more fun to watch them play the new maps? Hell yeah. Maybe not Overpass then, but anything new will be cool.
The old (~2016) Cobble was the best map to play as an advanced player. Only in pro matches it had some problem because of the smoke problems. Titanic B fight & drop are so fun to play. Even the rotations to A or retakes are pretty fun. I played about 1,000 matches there.
i was not an advanced player but that map was terrible in comp back then lol. no one ever went mid, long rotates, easy to get stuffed, 30% of the map is redundant empty space around T spawn. im good.
I used to include cobble in the queue, but most games I would just tilt because it feels less individually skill expressive and more-so just how good you are as a team due to how many angles you have to smoke/moly off and consider, meaning it's more RNG than skill for a player pushing alone, kind of like Mirage.
I never liked Train, everywhere you go as T is horrific. A main has dozens of tiny angles to be aware of, drop is literal death, both B site lower and upper are narrow, ivy is long and narrow. However, I'm fine with cobble never coming back, never liked that map.
Train good to watch horrible to play. You could called me skill issue but I never enjoy got snipe from people under the train or using train gap to snipe me... It's may not be like that anymore but still. You can't erase a terrible memory. Old train was like cs2 italy.
I used to hate Train but once I was forced to play it more I learned to like it. It's actually one of my favorite maps of all time, but T side is definitely rough on Train, I would change a few things if it were up to me.
Valve BRING CACHE BACK!! It's been too long, the map was puggy when it was in the pool but I think with how the game has evolved over the last 5 years we could see some really cool new strats on it. These pros would get to play in that sandbox again with a new overlook on the game and I believe it will lead to innovative ideas and tactics.
tuscan is such a nice map with so much history as a staple of cs esport + valve actually bought the map at the end of go like they did with anubis. absolutely baffling that it still hasnt returned or even been mentioned
where the fuck, is season. Dear god just bring it back already, it was in two operations in like 2015 and that's it. Never a competitive map, never in rotation.
They reworked it, it was great, and we never heard about it again. The map pool choices can be so frustrating sometimes. I just want to play cache, season and old cobble again.
The concept of Vertigo is cool imo. You are attacking a building site on the last top floor of a skyscraper if you are a T and defending it if you are CT. I like the ramp fights for control and the new changes. Not _as_ bad as lots of cs fans claim imo.
I think Dust 2 is way less exciting for the spectator. Vertigo isn't the best but I'm a bit biased to it because I like construction and seeing tall unfinished skyscrapers. I also think Train is a really poor spectator friendly map because of how dark it is. IMO best maps that get me hyped the most when my favorite teams play are: Nuke (best), Mirage, Anubis and Inferno!
Aztec was fucked beyond belief in a competitive setting, ngl. Nobody even wants to remember, I guess. At least we have Ancient to cover the aesthetics.
If you don't know why de_aztec is out… I'm not sure what to tell you. Seriously. That map was flawed from the very beginning. It is the most CT sided map ever created. As CT you should aim to win EVERY round. If the T's even gets a single round, you WILL loose. I'l bet that you miss de_dust as well? (hint, that's just aztec, but in reverse)
id bring back back old cobble any day of the week before the ass factory that is cache. I would agree though that cobble and train would be as boring to watch as overpass. Original cobble and inferno were my go to maps. High win rate for me. People were just bad at them. Then they ruined cobble and made changes to inferno and economy which honestly ruined a lot of maps. Despite what people say. many maps are now T sided now. They definitely didnt need eco changes on T. They already have the best and cheapest rifles, which literally makes no sense that the AK is cheaper then both M4s. They countered that by making m4a1-s have 25 bullets, but then changed it back again.
1:39 a lot of creative tactics on cbble?? really?? i agreed with aleksib with cbble tho.. its boring map especially for viewers.. not many "insane" highlights coming from that map if you compared it with other map like cache/inferno/train... its really just B long, mid and drop, because rotation takes forever especially with T side.
Cbble has some legendary plays and calls. Fallen's clutch, Cold's clutch, Olof, JW and of course, Snax and the big apple. Many more legendary moments including the Nothing/Shroud C9.
cobble has some insane highlights from fpl/rank s but not too much in pro play, a little rework to t side roofs for better executes, and give us back old sites then hell yea
based Aleksib, reject Vertigo, embrace original Cobble. I used to love original cobble, literally if they bring that back instead of Vertigo or Train, i'd start saying CS2 is good lol... well maybe not that far.
@@bane8305 honestly tho I like train but an A main/z rework would be a little nice. Just have one less lane looking towards main cuz you already have close olaf, hell, green, camera, bomb, z and ebox, and if they take pop then you gotta clear that first like, mad annoying to do every round.
Wow I never really liked cobble as a map, it's interesting to see that it's one of the least favorite between the pros as well, even after seeing in a lot of media that it's loved by the community
As a viewer who doesn't own a good computer to play cs I did not know they changed cobblestone what the heck :( I watch old games just to see play on that map.
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Aleksib: yeah so fuck vertigo in particular.
cringe
@@iamapokerface8992like you
I genuinely want to know why there is so much hate for vertigo? Its not like it is my favourite map either, just want to know what are the issues with it which I am not aware of
aleksi spitting facts as always
Love the dude
He's so chill bro such a great captain
He's so beautiful 😍😍
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So basically: "Actually Vertigo, but other than that [insert map here]!"
Almost everyone: "Besides Vertigo, don't bring back Cobble"
Malbs: "I like Cobble :D"
well maybe because vertigo already is back in cs2?
well everyone named cobble but only because cobble was the worst of the best lol. cobble was a fantastic map and if you looked at all the maps that have been in the comp pool, cobble would be in the upper half for sure, with most of the today's pool being at the bottom. basically everyone says cobble becaues cache, overpass and train have been staples for so many years (and they have been staples for a reason, they were all fantsatic), while cobble was still just a soldi map.
@@zezanje1 Everyone said cobble, because the new version of cobble is terrible. That map would be the worst map to ever exist in competitive if it made its way down there.
@@zezanje1Cobble is the worst map in pro map pool of all time
I like how there were multiple answers that said, yeah I don't want to play this map but it would be better than Vertigo
pls more aleksi rants accompanied with the finnish hymn
Maybe it was estonian hymn?
@@chairpersonofthecharlotteh5646 Same composition, different lyrics
Aleksi's last name translates to "Estonian", illuminati confirmed
@@alexaender1992 Virolainen means Estonian
Aleksib: "kind of unpopular opinion"
Also Aleksib: *says the exact opinion everyone has*
at least he made a point to also call out the old version and say it's boring
Everyone else said old cobble was fun whilst new cobble was bad whilst he said that old cobble was kinda boring. Not exactly the same.
Me when I don't watch the vide:
@@Jane-qh2yd I did. I watched this "vide".
It's the endemic Saarijärven Paavo type modesty!!!
+cache -vertigo, there u go valve, you have entertaining cs again.
nah train rather than cache
-mirage +train, -vertigo + cache.
Vertigo gives Aleksi some bad memories.. (A ramp, galil ar, 30 bullets, enemy full flashed)
we don't talk about that, it never happened
what happened in Vertigo stay in Vertigo. OK?
@@NaaaaaRK I fully agree
@@Snow-el7yp Agreed
LOLL
Valve really fucked up with that awful update of site A of cbble.
i miss the old days
Aleksib said it correct. Rather see a new map
bruh i thought your pfp was a whole wiener..
Get a new map and get Mirage, Nuke, Inferno and Dust out of the rotation. All these boring old maps.
@@tioh5915You know the saying "old but gold". Dust2 is a classic , you can't say CS without this map , especially for the 1.6 era , it will remain in peoples hearts as the main icon map of the game - if they would remove those maps you listed , it will be a completely new game so is not worth it , switch to Valorant if you want more map rotations and new locations - CS should remain a classic not a pace full of changes which eventually will collapse the current state of the game.
I would rather experience dynamic downfall than death of boredom and starvation@@FEVERtkt
@@FEVERtkt I know that CS hardcore fans, especially the Russian ones, are mainly conservative in nature. Doesn't change what would be the right decision for the game, especially to attract new players and reactivate leaved players. No, the solution isn't to rotate out the already few relatively new maps. The solution is to rotate out the old ones for a certain period of time to create variety. The pass has done nothing in terms of player numbers. Disappointment is growing throughout the player base. New content is needed - now and, above all, on a regular basis.
aleksi is spot on about Vertigo. It just doesn't have the counter strike vibe to it. It's more like a COD deathmatch map vibe.
tripping. vertigo was perfect in csgo... you could say that about black gold map maybe... that was the first map i played and it reminded me of cod and i never even played a fps game before csgo lol
really? im not a huge vertigo fan but i don't get "counter strike vibe" i mean it is an OG CS map at the end of the day I used to play it in 1.3. The fact they have to keep updating it though might hint that hey its not that good if u have to change it 100x times. Still iv grown to like it a bit personally
@@bane8305‘vertigo was perfect in csgo’ 🤣🤣 Worst opinion of all time
@@ScoopsIsTheGoat BEST MAPS FOR AWPERS... ramp, mid, retaking B, awping at B entrance , awping on B site entrance stairs, using steel beams to peak for awping, that secret edge on CT side to B site is beast at peak awping retaking B, A site sandbags, A site boxes looking at A ramp, ramp sandbags, rushing mid and awping T's coming up stairs for mid, awping at T's from mid sandbags, awping A site mid to CT's running thru CT spawn to A site from B site after bomb planted
They're probably having it just for the sake of diversity, since vertigo is the only map with the most verticality, and majority of the playerbase is into more horizontal maps like mirage/ancient
Aleksi for president!
if aleksi dealt with content and ropz dealt with mechanics they could give enough feedback for Valve to fix CS2 I swear
Cache needs to fucking return i dont know what they're waiting for
Its in the making
Honestly what Aleksi is saying is true. Sometimes making a lot of changes and feeling things out is a good thing, like Nuke and Overpass had a lot of changes and ended up being great. But Vertigo needs to go and make space for another map, it's like polishing a turd at this point.
As someone who actually likes the current iteration of Vertigo, true!
Maybe put it in the Reserve pool and put Overpass back in. I'd really like new maps to replace Dust2 and Mirage at once, just so people choose something else in matchmaking. Even if the new ones are bad in the beginning, there's still Nuke, Ancient, Anubis and Inferno.
@@SyRose901overpass is soo ct sided that’s why it had been replaced by dust 2.
@@jeffreyespiritujr.4365 Yes, I'm actually just suggesting putting objectively worse maps in the place of Dust2 and Mirage just for the sake of freshness. Will it make the pros angry? Yeah. Will it be way more fun to watch them play the new maps? Hell yeah.
Maybe not Overpass then, but anything new will be cool.
@@SyRose901clueless
Wdym? Nuke is dogshit
My glorious succulent magnanimous exuberant lustrous king aleksi always spitting facts
The old (~2016) Cobble was the best map to play as an advanced player. Only in pro matches it had some problem because of the smoke problems. Titanic B fight & drop are so fun to play. Even the rotations to A or retakes are pretty fun. I played about 1,000 matches there.
i was not an advanced player but that map was terrible in comp back then lol. no one ever went mid, long rotates, easy to get stuffed, 30% of the map is redundant empty space around T spawn. im good.
I used to include cobble in the queue, but most games I would just tilt because it feels less individually skill expressive and more-so just how good you are as a team due to how many angles you have to smoke/moly off and consider, meaning it's more RNG than skill for a player pushing alone, kind of like Mirage.
Laughed hard at the last part. Vertigo rant evolving into an art.
I never liked Train, everywhere you go as T is horrific. A main has dozens of tiny angles to be aware of, drop is literal death, both B site lower and upper are narrow, ivy is long and narrow.
However, I'm fine with cobble never coming back, never liked that map.
I feel you but I remember those rounds when ENCE pushed there, so much smokes and flashes it was super entertaining.
train is great for clutch moments or wingman
Train good to watch horrible to play. You could called me skill issue but I never enjoy got snipe from people under the train or using train gap to snipe me... It's may not be like that anymore but still. You can't erase a terrible memory. Old train was like cs2 italy.
I used to hate Train but once I was forced to play it more I learned to like it. It's actually one of my favorite maps of all time, but T side is definitely rough on Train, I would change a few things if it were up to me.
train is od horrible
Valve BRING CACHE BACK!!
It's been too long, the map was puggy when it was in the pool but I think with how the game has evolved over the last 5 years we could see some really cool new strats on it. These pros would get to play in that sandbox again with a new overlook on the game and I believe it will lead to innovative ideas and tactics.
first creator needs to finish map
Cache is nostalgia same as cobble
Cache is still being built, maybe in a few months its done.
Valve is not in charge of Cache
Stop glazing, nothing changed the map is still puggy
Aleksib: demolish that damn building
When I saw Rain and train in one frame I got some nasty flashbacks..
1v4 against VP to take it to overtime, what a historic clip
You could also say the same thing about Cache, his 1v5 against Envyus, arguably an even better clutch.
I am sure about one thing. People forgot about de_prodigy... no updates since like 1.3 ;(
what do you mean since 1.3 ? it was in source and it sucked ass, so incredibly CT sided
@@francescomancetti8327 sorry, never played source, sticked to main version.
Aleksi, the hero and captain we dont deserve
New cobble was literally stack 4B as ct simulator
tuscan is such a nice map with so much history as a staple of cs esport + valve actually bought the map at the end of go like they did with anubis. absolutely baffling that it still hasnt returned or even been mentioned
I just wanna see office in pro tournaments. ❤
where the fuck, is season. Dear god just bring it back already, it was in two operations in like 2015 and that's it. Never a competitive map, never in rotation.
That map is really only known for the IBP throw these days but I remember it was pretty fun to play
They reworked it, it was great, and we never heard about it again. The map pool choices can be so frustrating sometimes.
I just want to play cache, season and old cobble again.
bringing back piranesi over cobblestone would be a cool way to shake things up.
Bring SEASON back!
Cache smokes are gonna get crazy in CS2, can’t wait for it to release
1:00 Speech 100
I Like the old Maps so much
Based alexib wanting to bring new maps instead of bringing back old ones. Lets see Basalt, abbey and grind in the map pool.
The concept of Vertigo is cool imo. You are attacking a building site on the last top floor of a skyscraper if you are a T and defending it if you are CT. I like the ramp fights for control and the new changes. Not _as_ bad as lots of cs fans claim imo.
Scarier for pros can be return of Dust 1
Since no one said Port or Tides I'm expecting Valve to bring them back in the next update
Cache is probably one of the best maps that have been in the game. Only played cache and a couple others in go and it sucks not having it in cs2
0:18 biggest lie in history
All cs skins ads are basically scam
I think Dust 2 is way less exciting for the spectator. Vertigo isn't the best but I'm a bit biased to it because I like construction and seeing tall unfinished skyscrapers. I also think Train is a really poor spectator friendly map because of how dark it is. IMO best maps that get me hyped the most when my favorite teams play are: Nuke (best), Mirage, Anubis and Inferno!
Depois deste vídeo, Gaben irá introduzir Cobblestone ao competitivo, isso é certo
aleksi's opinion cooked, prepared, and ate with no crumbs
why is the estonian anthem being played in the background of finnish player aleksib's rant
You actually gave aleksi finnish national anthem. Lmao
things keep being bad for a year and he's gonna start answering "i fucking hate veritgo" to random "hello's"
If there was a Cutiepie of the Year award FlameZ would be perennial champion
It's insane how everyone agree in the same way. We love old cbble new change f it up. But I wonder how no one mention aztec?
Aztec was fucked beyond belief in a competitive setting, ngl. Nobody even wants to remember, I guess. At least we have Ancient to cover the aesthetics.
If you don't know why de_aztec is out… I'm not sure what to tell you. Seriously. That map was flawed from the very beginning. It is the most CT sided map ever created. As CT you should aim to win EVERY round. If the T's even gets a single round, you WILL loose. I'l bet that you miss de_dust as well? (hint, that's just aztec, but in reverse)
These inteviews with the worlds best should be MORE than enough for valve to throw vertigo away for Cache, Train, Overpass or Thera
Cobblestone is fun, on the CT side at least. But yeah, if valve deletes vertigo, no one would miss it.
Yes, new cobble is awful, but i rly liked the old one, also i liked Halloween period, especially for that dark castle wibe with pumpings.
"I'm a cash lover myself"
- AleksiB
id bring back back old cobble any day of the week before the ass factory that is cache. I would agree though that cobble and train would be as boring to watch as overpass. Original cobble and inferno were my go to maps. High win rate for me. People were just bad at them. Then they ruined cobble and made changes to inferno and economy which honestly ruined a lot of maps. Despite what people say. many maps are now T sided now. They definitely didnt need eco changes on T. They already have the best and cheapest rifles, which literally makes no sense that the AK is cheaper then both M4s. They countered that by making m4a1-s have 25 bullets, but then changed it back again.
Cobble was so cool
“Let’s say it’s a decider map, an opening map or a second map…”
Just don’t say it’s a BO5, right Alexsi?
What about de_season?
Everyone is like "Make Cobblestone Great Again"
Bring train back
Valve: lets bring cobblestone back.
Why do pros hate cobble? It was such a nice map to play and watch. New cobble was kinda ass but old cobble is straight S tier map.
Valve Back cache, cobblestone and train.
tuscan in competitive map pool would be fun
THE VOICES OF THE PEOPLE!!!
Which new update did they made to cbble? WHICH???
Imagine bo5 grand final and the decider is Vertigo 💀
Yes Yes Yes! Rid us of Vertigo and Mirage please! Train and cache any day!
Give us Cobble, Cash, Train and Aztec. Bigger map pool!
Thank god im not the only one who hates vertigo
Why does everyone hate Vertigo? Map is great
i honestly dont want to see dust 2 ever again
You could make an separate video on pros hating vertigo. I almost feel bad for vertigo how much people dislike it.
1:39 a lot of creative tactics on cbble?? really?? i agreed with aleksib with cbble tho.. its boring map especially for viewers.. not many "insane" highlights coming from that map if you compared it with other map like cache/inferno/train... its really just B long, mid and drop, because rotation takes forever especially with T side.
Cbble has some legendary plays and calls. Fallen's clutch, Cold's clutch, Olof, JW and of course, Snax and the big apple. Many more legendary moments including the Nothing/Shroud C9.
cobble has some insane highlights from fpl/rank s but not too much in pro play, a little rework to t side roofs for better executes, and give us back old sites then hell yea
The game has come a long way since Cobble was last in it, would love to see the tactical evolution on it.
@@daanishgupta even Taz had an ace while rushing drop on cobble lol People just have a lot of recency bias.
@@TrykusMykus Ikr! The new version is bad but if they bring the old one back, it's legendary.
Maybe valve can bring one older map and a new one, switching 2 maps after the future majors
I don't understand the vertigo hate , it's such a fun map
Alexi micromanaged his team in cbble in his 20 seconds of interview already
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based Aleksib, reject Vertigo, embrace original Cobble.
I used to love original cobble, literally if they bring that back instead of Vertigo or Train, i'd start saying CS2 is good lol... well maybe not that far.
Why no community maps? Valve turned out to be just as greedy as every other game company, they are just slightly less on the nose about it.
We all love Aleksib
biskela mandou a real! chega de vertigo!
100% agree with aleksi. Never liked cobble old or new
cache instead of vertigo and there you go you will have 100k more activ player...
Dust2, Inferno and mirage did their time, lets go for new cache, train and cbble !
I ship this
Cbble is a garbage tier map, it should never be brought back
@@Kajuk L take.
@@Kajuk
Do you mean the rework or the old one?
@@otakurt1149 Yes
Never been a fan of Cobblestone. But if it's to replace Vertigo, I'd take it
Used to love de_season. But it has been gone for to long😢
I still miss Old Cobblestone man Revert that shit PLEASE Valve
Aleksi lookin zooted in this one
lmao the main answer is cobble but only cause volvo fucked it
To be fair old cobble was also an incredibly flawed map, nostalgic for sure, but being realistic not one that should be added back to the pool
nope its train because all those metal railcarts and the entrance to A and B sites are horrible
Old cobble was just as bad. Super unfair and unfun after a few hours on it
@@bane8305 honestly tho I like train but an A main/z rework would be a little nice. Just have one less lane looking towards main cuz you already have close olaf, hell, green, camera, bomb, z and ebox, and if they take pop then you gotta clear that first like, mad annoying to do every round.
@@bane8305 im talking about the answers in the video
I miss OG Cobble 😢
Add in tuscan, season, train. Remove anubis, mirage, vertigo.
Wow I never really liked cobble as a map, it's interesting to see that it's one of the least favorite between the pros as well, even after seeing in a lot of media that it's loved by the community
the old one is mostly loved and missed. They're all hating on new cbble.
Dust 2. We e been playing this map for over 2 decades. Just let it rest as a casual map
I miss train so much
Idk why but I love vertigo 😭
Vertigo being in the map pool is all the evidence we need to know that valve hates CS.
I'd love good old de_dust to come back.
I really miss rialto
As a viewer who doesn't own a good computer to play cs I did not know they changed cobblestone what the heck :( I watch old games just to see play on that map.
Gotta love aleksi
in short, bring back classic cobblestone