Anybody thats upset that this video was so long is just upset because they're always upset. You did a thorough, concise job of explaining the new HOS rules regarding the split sleeper berth and I for one appreciate that!
It's fun watching, er, rewatching this video a year and a half after the fact. Your summation at the 24, 25 minute mark is perfect. The more you set yourself up for the split sleeper provision the better. You don't have* to take it, but it's great when it's available. A nuance that you didn't explicitly state: a reminder that the "short" split has to be not just off Duty OR Sleeper, it can be "or any combination thereof." [395.1(1)(ii)(A)(2)] PC counts as part of this, since it is Off Duty
This is totally the BEST video for understanding the HOS rules! DEFINATE #1 Thank you for taking the time to do this & clarifying everything. You were direct & to the point. I loved the fireworks at the end!
I really like your videos as I've said before very detailed and thorough. And what I really like also is that your well like many of us... YOUR A DRIVER oh that makes a difference, not a desk jockey, as for me that is good. Continue on Clutch your doing a great job!!
I've always found the split sleeper provision helpful. But not having the shorter break count against the 14 has been a game-changer. I'm also happy to say my ELD provider got it right from the start. We get an audible warning that we are about to run out of time on our original 14. For example, if I start at 5 am, take a 2-hour break from 9-11 am, at 6pm my tablet warns me I've got 60 minutes remaining. But my digital display shows I still have 3 hours. The difference, I know, is that those last two hours are dependent on me pairing with a sleeper break of at least 8 hours. I can ignore the audible warnings as long as I log sleeper at the end of the shift. You did a great job explaining it. Thanks for the good work.
Mike, just a tiny FYI for others on your excellent comment:. My ELD (Keep Trucking [now Motive] for Android) allows you to change the warning setting to one hour, 30 min, 15 min or OFF, also toggle the sound off if you wish.
Keeptruckin has updated our Split SB PROVISION. This morning 10/ 21 / 2020 We can now have an option to show a Split SB Clock. Finally they got tired of our relentless emails and demanded software repair
I think it's time to give KT the 🥾. They are giving us THEIR version of the new law because they are too lazy to rewrite their software. Any suggestions on a company that has this figured out?
New to your channel. Thanks for explaining everything. Gives me a better understanding of the new HOS . Look foreward to viewing your videos .Rusty is adorable.🐶🐶
👍 Thanks. Good insight and work. Your paper logs are clean and legible. I can’t believe rusty the magic meatball slept through that presentation. After 670 miles anyone wouldn’t mind a lil nap nap. Hold it in the road and hammer down. Peace.✅
Good content jus got me a straight truck waiting for my mc to go active I was going to go amazon and sum things off the load still trying to figure out how the e.l.d going to work with this
Still learning to master the split breaking method. Question, you had the longer 7 plus hour break in sleeper and took the shorter 2 plus hour break which stopped the 14. Then before you took another 7 plus in sleeper you took a 2nd break of 2 plus hours which to my understanding ...stopped the 14 hour clock again. That's my question .. Can you stop the 14 hour clock more than once?
Do you have citation that yard move can be used at a truck stop? I’ve been seeing it’s only allowed on property not granted to the public. Like a warehouse or company yard. Truck stop is accessible to the public.
The FM CSA does not officially say what constitutes a yard. And yes the public has access to truckstops but they are designated to go to separate areas cars are only allowed in the front section trucks are allowed in the back section there may or may not be signs saying so but because there are two separate areas for the two different types of vehicles in my opinion that means you can use a yard move at a truckstop and like I said FM CSA does not officially designate what a yard is
Okay, so same question as last video. At 17:07 you're suggesting drivers declare themselves to be in sleeper berth even if they don't qualify for the status?
Hey. Love your videos. Question regarding yard move. In your video u said a yard move can be made in a truck stop because it is a private parking lot. I've been doing this for two days now but my company changed it all to drive. He said I can not use yard move in a truck stop. Only a customer. Please help me fight this.
Here’s what’s I found. “FMCSA does not yet have a formal definition for a yard. CVSA, on December 4, 2019, requested that FMCSA provide a definition of a yard to reduce compliance confusion. In the absence of and until there is a formal definition from FMCSA, you likely need to have guidance that helps you avoid compliance problems.” Therefore, if someone is telling you it only applies to your company yard or a distribution center. Then they’re wrong. The FMCSA does not specify. So, in my opinion, any private, non-public highway can be considered a “yard.” Hope that helps
I think this will be a dumb question but here goes anyways... if I take 2 hours or more in the sleeper berth or off duty, my 14 hour clock stops? There has to be more to it than that right? Does my clock only stop if I also take the remaining hours to make up the 10 later to comply with split sleeper berth rules?
Yes and no. If you take at least two hours off or in the sleeper berth it does stop your 14 hour clock however the assumption is you will be pairing that with at least eight hours or seven hours which ever you need to total 10 hours for a total of two breaks total 10 hours. The good part is you can take a 2 to 3 hour break or even more and then later on take at least seven or whatever to qualify for your 10 but if you wanted to do a full 10 for the second break then you’d have a full reset after that and you were able to stop your clock earlier in the day to help you out
Can you please tell me what is allowed as far as HOS go once you restart a clock after more than two hours and return to the home terminal when yard moves, post trip and possible PC to go to park and go to sleeper or off duty. Our ELD provider is violating me even though I had several hours left On Duty. Can I take a 10 hour break instead of sleeper Berth time if I am at my residence off duty? Thanks
Unfortunately many ELD providers don’t have everything right. Yep hours off duty should always stop your 14. As long as it’s paired with at least 8 hours on sleeper later. And after leaving terminal you can use pc to go park somewhere. Also you can always do 10 off to get a reset of your 14 and 11
I just usually show sleeper berth as opposed to off duty. There is no limit or restrictions on how long you can be in sleeper. If you’re using it as the bigger of two breaks for a split, it must be at least 7 hours
I have to bob tail 6 hours to pickup a trailer if after I hook up the trailer could I take 2or3 hours in sleeper berth and then drive another 6 hours back using the spilt sleeper berth?
No. Because you would be over your 11 hours of driving. You could do 2 to 3 hours after picking up trailer. But would be limited to only 5 hours back before you need to do at least 7 in sleeper to get more hours. Hope that helps
CT...You are correct if there is a fence, gate, or sign (this does not inclde no trespassing signs) not allowing 4-wheelers. Otherwise, the area is deemed open to public travel...including campers/motor homes.
That's my understanding as well. It may be a gray area with FMCSA but my company (Werner) will only allow yard move at shipper, consignee, terminal or drop yard. And you have to indicate which you are at when you activate it. If they caught me using it at a truck stop it would activate a violation from the company even if it weren't one per FMCSA. That said, you are right, there's no excuse for doing a 30 at the fuel island anymore (there never was). Usually, I have to wait for a pump 10 minutes, 10 minutes fueling, then pull up and 10 minutes inside using the bathroom, getting food etc. As long as I keep the truck under 5 mph when I'm pulling up, I'm not thrown on line 3, and that whole 30 counts.
@@mehardin Thank you.👍 I don't believe we are the only drivers who have this understanding. More backup info is here: eld.kellerencompass.com/resource/blog/top-10-faqs-about-the-eld-yard-move-special-driving-category?=106327 Stay safe out here.
@@Gary-ld6ht Having said that I think FMCSA *should allow yard move at a truck stop. If you go on line 4 to scale, you shouldn't have go back to line 3 to pull off the scale, slide your tandems, and go back and reweigh. You should be able to stay on line 4 the whole time, but that's not how it is. I just stay on line 3 to scale, it's not worth the hassle. As long as you don't scale on lines 1 or 2 should be fine.
I had a similar day were I drove 45 min to pickup a load, got 4.45 hours on the sleeper berth than drove another 2.55 hours to another location and take 2.15 hours on the sleeper berth than drive 1 more hours, toke 30 min off than drove another 1.15 hours toke 15 min off and drove for 2.42 hours before taking 10 hours off. For some reason the elog says that I'm in violation of the 14 hours ? Any thoughts about this?
What the ELD providers need to do is simple.. Allow the short break, if taken first, to extend your 14. If at the end of the day, when you sign and verify your logs, you do not have a corresponding long break to equal 10 hrs the ELD flags the violation. It seems like n easy software update. I just did your day as presented on the Big Road app and it put me in violation at original end of your day, not extending the 14 to allow for the short break. Its a problem across the board for ELD providers. Demand a refund!
You can find it at eld.fmcsa.dot.gov/HOSRuleTool/EventList where you can create your own trip plan or select from the 4 examples under the box on the right with a header of "Or select an example below".
Clutch, I've got a question that just came up last night while discussing the new HOS reg's. Does your ON DUTY time count against your 70 hour/8 day drive time?
Yes. The only thing that does not count against your 70 is your off-duty or sleeper berth time all on duty and driving time counts ‘gainst your 70 hour week
Don't forget you can always WORK after your 70 is up, just not DRIVE. I.E. you work at a warehouse and sometimes fill in driving. You could forklift for 12 hrs a day for five days, drive 10 hours the next day. That's 70 hours in six days. The seventh day you can't drive, but you could still forklift, work in the shop, paperwork, whatever, just not operate a CMV on the road.
Thanks man!!!! That really put a hammer this f&nail in head.... cuz I’ve been back and forward with those dumbs from bigroad. And they never understand me or what I’m trying to explain them. Maybe now I can show them your video explanation and they maybe will understand
I started a new trip and did 6 hrs of driving then took 7 hours in the sleeper. Then I drove another 5 hours and took 3 hours off duty. Was that legal ???
@@ClutchTrucker Say, if I drove 9 hours not 6, then took 7 hours in the sleeper, I'd only had 2 hours of driving available before I had to take 3 hours off duty, correct ?
Adverse conditions gives u two extra hours of driving, and two extra hours on your 14. So you’re limited to how far you can drive in those two extra hours
do you have to be in a 14 h shift to do thet or , can you take a 4 sleep after 1 h on duty 7 drive , and then drive drive the rest of your 11 h [ 4h ] , dose your 14 h shift pause or not ??
As long as you have a shorter period and a longer period both adding up to at least 10 then both of them stop the 14 hour clock or pause it as you said
I'm sorry. You were very detailed but im still confused and used to the 11 and 14 hour rules originally. I'm trying to understand it lol. Feels like in in CDL school again
I'm liking your videos with great info, but do see one difference. Yard moves cannot be used at a truckstop. It is only to be used on private property where the general public is not allowed, such as shippers and receivers with a gate.
The FMCSA. Has never stated what a “yard” is. The quote u mentioned is the CSA’s interpretation. It’s not really clear. I say cars aren’t really allowed in the sections of truck stops where the trucks are. Just like we can’t park our trucks in the car section. Until the FMCSA clearly defines what a yard is, I say it’s up to interpretation.
Thats true Clutch, but I think what matters is how the officer decides to interpret it the day we get inspected. I'd love it if someone such as yourself could spend some time with an actual inspector at a weigh station!
I was going to opine on this thought too. My boss told me to use YM only at shippers and receivers because he is probably going off this same guidance. However, I use YM all the time at our home base (small company, twenty trucks, office, full shop, fuel tank, drop trailers, etc) because quite literally we all refer to the place as ....... the yard. 🤣 Clutch, in the future you might address the fact that carriers can, and sometimes do, disable the YM and/or PC function on their ELD system to drivers. To me that's insane, should be completely disallowed, and probably contributes to unnecessary violations,low scores, driver turnover, etc. SMH!
My argument is I only have to be on duty to check in and hit a door. After that I am either off duty or in sleeper. Been audited a few times on both Elogs and paper doing exactly that and never had an issue.
People Net sent a new update and E-Log compliance said this will fix all the issues😡😡😡. ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! They still insist you must satisfy with the 2nd breAk before they can show it not coming off your 14. (THIS IS A JOKE AND THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT). So frustrating 😱😱
Clutch Trucker I did go on FMCSA web site and it seemed that they took them sample logs down. Will you check to see if they are still up when you get a chance. (Maybe I’m not seeing them ) Id really love to show them to my safety department.
I just wasted 3 weeks trying to work for Gardner what a joke , had to go out with a trainer ! one day HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO DO PAPER LOGS?? and bragged about being in prison for TEN YEARS. Well what do you expect from a CRST company!! When I drove into the parking lot there were drivers smoking weed!!
All these rules "to keep every one safe" but Law makers will stay in session for days and then pass legislation and make laws at 2 or 3 in the morning. Seems to me they should follow the rules you are restrained by.
Driving truck is not a mechanical but biological process thus HOS can not dictate when I have to be tired and when I have to drive. The HOS as is now it's a wrong approach to the safety of the roads. The statistic of the fatalities on the roads is proof of it.
Yesterday 60 Minutes Australia posted a video talking about the lack of rest drivers down under are dealing with. See: th-cam.com/video/b56MpwyrAhI/w-d-xo.html Take a look and let us know how and if the US system could help things down there. Nothing is perfect, but maybe you could let us know what your definition of the best system would be.
Anybody thats upset that this video was so long is just upset because they're always upset. You did a thorough, concise job of explaining the new HOS rules regarding the split sleeper berth and I for one appreciate that!
It's fun watching, er, rewatching this video a year and a half after the fact. Your summation at the 24, 25 minute mark is perfect. The more you set yourself up for the split sleeper provision the better. You don't have* to take it, but it's great when it's available.
A nuance that you didn't explicitly state: a reminder that the "short" split has to be not just off Duty OR Sleeper, it can be "or any combination thereof." [395.1(1)(ii)(A)(2)]
PC counts as part of this, since it is Off Duty
Yes
This is totally the BEST video for understanding the HOS rules! DEFINATE #1 Thank you for taking the time to do this & clarifying everything. You were direct & to the point. I loved the fireworks at the end!
I really like your videos as I've said before very detailed and thorough. And what I really like also is that your well like many of us... YOUR A DRIVER oh that makes a difference, not a desk jockey, as for me that is good. Continue on Clutch your doing a great job!!
I've always found the split sleeper provision helpful. But not having the shorter break count against the 14 has been a game-changer. I'm also happy to say my ELD provider got it right from the start. We get an audible warning that we are about to run out of time on our original 14. For example, if I start at 5 am, take a 2-hour break from 9-11 am, at 6pm my tablet warns me I've got 60 minutes remaining. But my digital display shows I still have 3 hours. The difference, I know, is that those last two hours are dependent on me pairing with a sleeper break of at least 8 hours. I can ignore the audible warnings as long as I log sleeper at the end of the shift.
You did a great job explaining it. Thanks for the good work.
Thank you for watching
hi, newbie here. HoS hours are for the last 24h? It's not like from 00am - 11:59pm?
@@mihailoj2762 It's per shift, and you need a ten hour break to reset to begin a new shift.
Mike, just a tiny FYI for others on your excellent comment:. My ELD (Keep Trucking [now Motive] for Android) allows you to change the warning setting to one hour, 30 min, 15 min or OFF, also toggle the sound off if you wish.
Keeptruckin has updated our Split SB PROVISION. This morning 10/ 21 / 2020
We can now have an option to show a Split SB Clock. Finally they got tired of our relentless emails and demanded software repair
Finally
No working for the shorter break. I updated it and tested it.
I think it's time to give KT the 🥾. They are giving us THEIR version of the new law because they are too lazy to rewrite their software.
Any suggestions on a company that has this figured out?
Would love to hear one that’s got it right
You have done your homework. Did not know they jerk you around like that! Thanks for taking the time to explain insanity to us. Michigan 🤗
Thanks. It makes more sense. Keep them coming.
New to your channel. Thanks for explaining everything. Gives me a better understanding of the new HOS . Look foreward to viewing your videos .Rusty is adorable.🐶🐶
Woof
Keeptrucking finally doing updates on all these new rules
Got the email from my company yesterday. Only three weeks late
Asholes! Keep me updatrd
You are helpful and interesting to watch,thank you
👍 Thanks. Good insight and work. Your paper logs are clean and legible. I can’t believe rusty the magic meatball slept through that presentation. After 670 miles anyone wouldn’t mind a lil nap nap. Hold it in the road and hammer down. Peace.✅
Good content jus got me a straight truck waiting for my mc to go active I was going to go amazon and sum things off the load still trying to figure out how the e.l.d going to work with this
Still learning to master the split breaking method.
Question, you had the longer 7 plus hour break in sleeper and took the shorter 2 plus hour break which stopped the 14.
Then before you took another 7 plus in sleeper you took a 2nd break of 2 plus hours which to my understanding ...stopped the 14 hour clock again.
That's my question ..
Can you stop the 14 hour clock more than once?
Yes. As long as you pair the breaks
Yes and the say I cannot use the split sleeper this day on March 24/22 because I’m a Canadian and dinged next twice for being over 14 hrs bull shit
Yrs. Bs
Do you have citation that yard move can be used at a truck stop? I’ve been seeing it’s only allowed on property not granted to the public. Like a warehouse or company yard. Truck stop is accessible to the public.
The FM CSA does not officially say what constitutes a yard. And yes the public has access to truckstops but they are designated to go to separate areas cars are only allowed in the front section trucks are allowed in the back section there may or may not be signs saying so but because there are two separate areas for the two different types of vehicles in my opinion that means you can use a yard move at a truckstop and like I said FM CSA does not officially designate what a yard is
Okay, so same question as last video. At 17:07 you're suggesting drivers declare themselves to be in sleeper berth even if they don't qualify for the status?
No. You would have to have a sleeper unit on truck. If u are a day cab, unfortunately your only option is to go off duty.
Hey. Love your videos. Question regarding yard move. In your video u said a yard move can be made in a truck stop because it is a private parking lot. I've been doing this for two days now but my company changed it all to drive. He said I can not use yard move in a truck stop. Only a customer. Please help me fight this.
Here’s what’s I found. “FMCSA does not yet have a formal definition for a yard. CVSA, on December 4, 2019, requested that FMCSA provide a definition of a yard to reduce compliance confusion. In the absence of and until there is a formal definition from FMCSA, you likely need to have guidance that helps you avoid compliance problems.” Therefore, if someone is telling you it only applies to your company yard or a distribution center. Then they’re wrong. The FMCSA does not specify. So, in my opinion, any private, non-public highway can be considered a “yard.” Hope that helps
There's no fighting it. As long as your company's policy is not less restrictive than FMCSA, they can set rules on where you can use YM and PC.
I think this will be a dumb question but here goes anyways... if I take 2 hours or more in the sleeper berth or off duty, my 14 hour clock stops? There has to be more to it than that right? Does my clock only stop if I also take the remaining hours to make up the 10 later to comply with split sleeper berth rules?
Yes and no. If you take at least two hours off or in the sleeper berth it does stop your 14 hour clock however the assumption is you will be pairing that with at least eight hours or seven hours which ever you need to total 10 hours for a total of two breaks total 10 hours. The good part is you can take a 2 to 3 hour break or even more and then later on take at least seven or whatever to qualify for your 10 but if you wanted to do a full 10 for the second break then you’d have a full reset after that and you were able to stop your clock earlier in the day to help you out
Can you please tell me what is allowed as far as HOS go once you restart a clock after more than two hours and return to the home terminal when yard moves, post trip and possible PC to go to park and go to sleeper or off duty.
Our ELD provider is violating me even though I had several hours left On Duty.
Can I take a 10 hour break instead of sleeper Berth time if I am at my residence off duty?
Thanks
Unfortunately many ELD providers don’t have everything right. Yep hours off duty should always stop your 14. As long as it’s paired with at least 8 hours on sleeper later. And after leaving terminal you can use pc to go park somewhere. Also you can always do 10 off to get a reset of your 14 and 11
Thank You, This is Very Helpful Maybe some safety employees can learn from this Video.
17:05 Sleeper for 45 minutes... does that count? I thought it was minimum 2hrs for the sleeper...
I just usually show sleeper berth as opposed to off duty. There is no limit or restrictions on how long you can be in sleeper. If you’re using it as the bigger of two breaks for a split, it must be at least 7 hours
Please provide us with the link to download those example logs
Didn’t save the link. Just go to the FMCSA website, and under hours of service they post them there
Why does the fmcsa website sais there must be an 8hr sb brake?
Must be at least 7 sleeper. You can match that with a 3 hour or more off duty
I have to bob tail 6 hours to pickup a trailer if after I hook up the trailer could I take 2or3 hours in sleeper berth and then drive another 6 hours back using the spilt sleeper berth?
No. Because you would be over your 11 hours of driving. You could do 2 to 3 hours after picking up trailer. But would be limited to only 5 hours back before you need to do at least 7 in sleeper to get more hours. Hope that helps
Yard Move - I understand yard move can only be used where 4-wheelers are restricted from free access (ie, fenced / gated areas). Source: J.J. Keller.
Technically 4 wheelers are not allowed in the areas we are at a truck stop. Some even have signs depicting tgat
CT...You are correct if there is a fence, gate, or sign (this does not inclde no trespassing signs) not allowing 4-wheelers. Otherwise, the area is deemed open to public travel...including campers/motor homes.
That's my understanding as well. It may be a gray area with FMCSA but my company (Werner) will only allow yard move at shipper, consignee, terminal or drop yard. And you have to indicate which you are at when you activate it. If they caught me using it at a truck stop it would activate a violation from the company even if it weren't one per FMCSA.
That said, you are right, there's no excuse for doing a 30 at the fuel island anymore (there never was). Usually, I have to wait for a pump 10 minutes, 10 minutes fueling, then pull up and 10 minutes inside using the bathroom, getting food etc. As long as I keep the truck under 5 mph when I'm pulling up, I'm not thrown on line 3, and that whole 30 counts.
@@mehardin Thank you.👍 I don't believe we are the only drivers who have this understanding. More backup info is here:
eld.kellerencompass.com/resource/blog/top-10-faqs-about-the-eld-yard-move-special-driving-category?=106327
Stay safe out here.
@@Gary-ld6ht Having said that I think FMCSA *should allow yard move at a truck stop. If you go on line 4 to scale, you shouldn't have go back to line 3 to pull off the scale, slide your tandems, and go back and reweigh. You should be able to stay on line 4 the whole time, but that's not how it is. I just stay on line 3 to scale, it's not worth the hassle. As long as you don't scale on lines 1 or 2 should be fine.
I had a similar day were I drove 45 min to pickup a load, got 4.45 hours on the sleeper berth than drove another 2.55 hours to another location and take 2.15 hours on the sleeper berth than drive 1 more hours, toke 30 min off than drove another 1.15 hours toke 15 min off and drove for 2.42 hours before taking 10 hours off.
For some reason the elog says that I'm in violation of the 14 hours ? Any thoughts about this?
Unfortunately a lot of the E log providers still have not gotten their programs updated correctly
What the ELD providers need to do is simple.. Allow the short break, if taken first, to extend your 14. If at the end of the day, when you sign and verify your logs, you do not have a corresponding long break to equal 10 hrs the ELD flags the violation. It seems like n easy software update. I just did your day as presented on the Big Road app and it put me in violation at original end of your day, not extending the 14 to allow for the short break. Its a problem across the board for ELD providers. Demand a refund!
Yes!
Good explanation 👍🏻
Appreciate it driver
You are the MAN!!!
Gosh. Thanks!
Good stuff! It seems Samsara has it right except adverse provision. I may have missed it but why are you on paper?
1999 engine.
Where did you find the sample log of the short break first pausing the 14 hour clock I cant find it
It was somewhere on the FM CSA website I can’t remember exactly where
You can find it at eld.fmcsa.dot.gov/HOSRuleTool/EventList where you can create your own trip plan or select from the 4 examples under the box on the right with a header of "Or select an example below".
great info , the video was helpful
Somebody said Rusty was missing several of the Bacon Bites out of his bag.
Rusty wisely refused to name the only possible Suspect.
😂
Clutch, I've got a question that just came up last night while discussing the new HOS reg's. Does your ON DUTY time count against your 70 hour/8 day drive time?
Yes. The only thing that does not count against your 70 is your off-duty or sleeper berth time all on duty and driving time counts ‘gainst your 70 hour week
Don't forget you can always WORK after your 70 is up, just not DRIVE. I.E. you work at a warehouse and sometimes fill in driving. You could forklift for 12 hrs a day for five days, drive 10 hours the next day. That's 70 hours in six days. The seventh day you can't drive, but you could still forklift, work in the shop, paperwork, whatever, just not operate a CMV on the road.
Thanks man!!!! That really put a hammer this f&nail in head.... cuz I’ve been back and forward with those dumbs from bigroad. And they never understand me or what I’m trying to explain them. Maybe now I can show them your video explanation and they maybe will understand
Hopefully so please send it to them if you can I’ve sent some of my videos to keep trucking but they just ignore me
I started a new trip and did 6 hrs of driving then took 7 hours in the sleeper. Then I drove another 5 hours and took 3 hours off duty. Was that legal ???
Yrs
And after that three off, you would’ve gotten back the six from before the 7 in sleeper
@@ClutchTrucker Say, if I drove 9 hours not 6, then took 7 hours in the sleeper, I'd only had 2 hours of driving available before I had to take 3 hours off duty, correct ?
when using adverse conditions is there a limit to how many miles you can drive or do you have to go to the nearest safe haven? Thank you in advance
Adverse conditions gives u two extra hours of driving, and two extra hours on your 14. So you’re limited to how far you can drive in those two extra hours
do you have to be in a 14 h shift to do thet or , can you take a 4 sleep after 1 h on duty 7 drive , and then drive drive the rest of your 11 h [ 4h ] , dose your 14 h shift pause or not ??
As long as you have a shorter period and a longer period both adding up to at least 10 then both of them stop the 14 hour clock or pause it as you said
Do you still have your rexing dash cam? Also, just subscribed. Keep them videos coming. Thanks.
Yes my Rexing is still running strong. Will be posting some more time lapse tonight
Yeah, do not take breaks in fuel island! 👍👍👍
It’s a giant sin
Thanks, B Safe. Stay Real.
I'm about to give keeptruckin the boot. Can anyone suggest an ELD that has it together?
Yes, please comment I also want to know!
I never get headaches, but trying to listen and figure all this out gave me a major one
The ELD’s are suppose to make this Easier and Simpler and that is Clearly NOT The Case.
True
I'm sorry. You were very detailed but im still confused and used to the 11 and 14 hour rules originally. I'm trying to understand it lol. Feels like in in CDL school again
The rules are way more complicated than they should be
Gonna have to watch this over and over and probably still wont understand
Yard moves are being studied and a new guidance will be issued. It is a grey area.
Very grey! I wish FMCSA would just declare what it considers a yard to be!
I'm liking your videos with great info, but do see one difference. Yard moves cannot be used at a truckstop. It is only to be used on private property where the general public is not allowed, such as shippers and receivers with a gate.
I get this from the fact it states "a non public area" and of course that would exclude truckstops.
The FMCSA. Has never stated what a “yard” is. The quote u mentioned is the CSA’s interpretation. It’s not really clear. I say cars aren’t really allowed in the sections of truck stops where the trucks are. Just like we can’t park our trucks in the car section. Until the FMCSA clearly defines what a yard is, I say it’s up to interpretation.
Thats true Clutch, but I think what matters is how the officer decides to interpret it the day we get inspected. I'd love it if someone such as yourself could spend some time with an actual inspector at a weigh station!
I was going to opine on this thought too. My boss told me to use YM only at shippers and receivers because he is probably going off this same guidance. However, I use YM all the time at our home base (small company, twenty trucks, office, full shop, fuel tank, drop trailers, etc) because quite literally we all refer to the place as ....... the yard. 🤣
Clutch, in the future you might address the fact that carriers can, and sometimes do, disable the YM and/or PC function on their ELD system to drivers. To me that's insane, should be completely disallowed, and probably contributes to unnecessary violations,low scores, driver turnover, etc. SMH!
"Krap" trucking 😂😂😂
Legally!?! What kind of screwball operation you running? Hahaha...jk
They can't get mad but the company sure does 🤣👍
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Awesome
If I weren't confused enough before this, I'm certainly now.
So sorry. The split sleeper is just redonkulous.
@@ClutchTrucker I may be going back with Swift for trucking and watching your winter related and log related vids put the fear back in me 😂
@@ClutchTrucker does the split rest you hos for your next 11 hours of driving if they total 10 hours?
Can you get away with 15min loading unloading time? Never had ussues at scale house? We all know that's unrealistic. Just curious
My argument is I only have to be on duty to check in and hit a door. After that I am either off duty or in sleeper. Been audited a few times on both Elogs and paper doing exactly that and never had an issue.
People Net sent a new update and E-Log compliance said this will fix all the issues😡😡😡.
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! They still insist you must satisfy with the 2nd breAk before they can show it not coming off your 14. (THIS IS A JOKE AND THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT). So frustrating 😱😱
Short of blowing up people net, unfortunate we have to wait until they pull their heads out of their asses. And when they finally do. Demand a refund.
Clutch Trucker I did go on FMCSA web site and it seemed that they took them sample logs down. Will you check to see if they are still up when you get a chance. (Maybe I’m not seeing them ) Id really love to show them to my safety department.
@@244-badnews2 The sample logs can be selected on the box on the right side of the page at eld.fmcsa.dot.gov/HOSRuleTool/EventList
Great information. New subscriber here
I just wasted 3 weeks trying to work for Gardner what a joke , had to go out with a trainer ! one day HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO DO PAPER LOGS?? and bragged about being in prison for TEN YEARS. Well what do you expect from a CRST company!! When I drove into the parking lot there were drivers smoking weed!!
Kind of frightening as it sounds like you did the light right thing and left
Good explination
KeepTruckin Still not working
No surprised
Someone needs to explain this to Keep Trucking
I’ve contacted them many times and they keep telling me I’m wrong
All these rules "to keep every one safe" but Law makers will stay in session for days and then pass legislation and make laws at 2 or 3 in the morning. Seems to me they should follow the rules you are restrained by.
I like it makes perfect sense
If you have 7 meat balls for breakfast then 3 meat balls for dinner ..... how many do I get the next day.? 🙃
As many as u want. 😂
What if you take a 30 minute break after 3 hrs drive and wind up claiming the adverse conditions, is another 30 minute break required?
Only if u drive more than 8 hours
Driving truck is not a mechanical but biological process thus HOS can not dictate when I have to be tired and when I have to drive. The HOS as is now it's a wrong approach to the safety of the roads. The statistic of the fatalities on the roads is proof of it.
Yes. That’s why we shouldn’t be burdened by hourly restrictions. However. The née rules do let me sleep when I need to and not get penalized for it
Yesterday 60 Minutes Australia posted a video talking about the lack of rest drivers down under are dealing with. See: th-cam.com/video/b56MpwyrAhI/w-d-xo.html Take a look and let us know how and if the US system could help things down there. Nothing is perfect, but maybe you could let us know what your definition of the best system would be.
I’ll try to do that
I would take his advice carefully. Lots of false statements
If I think I’m wrong. Pleas explain
If U think I’m wtong
When he said he is running paper logs, I clicked off
Just because I run paper doesn’t mean I don’t understand the rules