The North Woolwich Railway: A Series of Unfortunate Events
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- North Woolwich railway station is one of the most prominent abandoned stations in London. Some would say it was always destined to be so. Let's look at the phenomenal run of bad luck that plagued the North Woolwich Railway.
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🤣 Hysterics all round!
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If I saw that station building from a distance I would straight away think "That has to be a Weatherspoons"
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It's pronounced Neverspoons 😉
The toilets would be at Tidal Basin.
A Wetherspoons? Thankfully it hasn't suffered that fate.
@@Calum_S Lets not forget its in the same area as an arsenal
"If you've ever taken the Woolwich Ferry, you might have noticed this building here, either getting on or getting off."
I'd definitely notice a building using a ferry, I have to say.
... I'll get my coat.
Boom boom 🦊
"This map has it listed as Tidal Basin Urinal Station..." Taking the p*ss there aren't we, Jago?
😂 Indeed - an unfortunate juxtaposition of wording on the map . . . !
sensibly it's near a pub which may have been the Railway, later the Artful Dodger.
No just taking a piss there.
I don’t know, I think it flows quite well.
@@chrisamies2141 useless bit of information: we have a cafe called the Artful Dodger near us here in Melbourne. 👍👍
My flat was in this video 🙂 I often run on that creepy footpath and in fact all round almost every location in this! I wonder if I saw you in my neighbourhood and chalked you up as another pesky TH-camr. I write this comment on the DLR overlooking Millennium Mills. Love your vids.
Keep up the good work, gentlemen!
Docks, bridges, tunnels, ferries, air raids, football and DLR, oh my.
But no castles :/
@@dennistay9980 and no Yerkes?
My goodness, you went on longer than the “North Woolwich”! And no hopes dashed! Thank you!
I hope that building gets cleaned up soon, that's a pretty sad story. I feel like the building understands😅
Just a shame it's now owned by a bunch of religious nutjobs who milk the gullible for money.
Shame to see the terminus building standing derelict , be great to see it once more restored to its former glory and put to good use for the public benefit
Be also great to see the pier also restored and also back in use perhaps for river tours.
Sadly the terminus building is owned by a bunch of rather exclusive happy clappy Christians.
@@martinr1834 Nice Jesus doesn't care about material possessions, such as Grade II listed buildings. The owners should be made to take care of it or give up ownership.
@@AtheistOrphan I would rather some happy clapping people restore and make use of this building rather to see is being derelict and run down. We know what happens to buildings that get to the point of disrepair.
@@johnm2012 I'm sure they will be made to take care of building as we know it's listed.
@@keepingitrealandtruthful.5081 Unfortunately, listing a building doesn't preserve it and it doesn't oblige the owner to maintain it. It simply puts certain restrictions on how it can be modified.
Fond memories of a Geography school trip I organised in 1986 from Camden Road to North Woolwich to show the students the ideas of the London Docklands Redevelopment Corporation. Gazing over the depressing abandoned King George V Dock from the lockgates, I tried, not entirely successfully, to enthuse the students to imagine the view in the 21st century, but the area has actually changed far more than anyone imagined then. We also went on the Woolwich Ferry and back through the foot tunnel, which judging from the screeching echoes, my charges enjoyed far more.
12 minutes? You’re spoiling us sir!
Keep up the good work fella and stay safe 🚂
Used to knock around there when I was a kid. Get the bus from Greenwich to Woolwich, cross over the river on ferry, I used to image I was a great explorer, daring to be so far from home (SE10). That or walk through park to Blackheath, then get bus to Charlton Lido, the water there freezing even in the hottest summer. Walk down from Shooters Hill to Ferry. Halcyon days.
A bit of a slap in the face for the Queen Mother, for it was she who opened the Museum way back in the 80s and had even arrived at North Woolwich hauled by the Flying Scotsman.
Must be the ghost of Charles Yerkes hitting the dislike button! I can think of no rational reason why anyone would dislike this video!
I think it's the most boring one he's done
I disagree with the detractors. I can't say it was riveting. But, it was far from boring. Thanks for the extra effort!
The reason maybe to tell TH-cam what they like and don't like so as to get better recommendations. It's likely not personal.
Maybe they're Plane-Spotters?
Or they find 12 minutes too long? Either way, I can't think of a valid reason either. 🤔
Yes, I enjoyed the longer format video! Between 7-12 minutes is a nice length for in-depth discussion of historical details. Thank you!
Once a busy terminal station and goods yard for the great eastern railway long ago , the museum that used to be housed on the premises of north wool with old station was a hidden gem , every Sunday after for a free day with my mum as a kid , brilliant little museum , Shame on Newham council for closing it .
The Woolwich Ferry. Ah, the very name conjures up the smell of the engines that used to propel it in the early sixties, that you could see hammering away. Nostalgia at it's best. Looking forward to that video in particular.
But that smell was nothing compared to the "bad eggs" smell from the nearby gas works.
In those days I remember the Thames smelled pretty bad too.
@Roger: "Nostalgia at *its* best" not *it's* (it's - it is). The smell of those old British diesel engines was quite something! I remember it well! 😊
You didn't have long to wait - it appeared 2 days later. Very appropriate.
Yknow when I found your videos I wasn't a train guy but I was a 'likes short, well produced documentaries about things people are passionate about'. Thanks to you, I now think I'm both.
Great video. I went to the Train museum as a child back in the 90s and it was wonderful. It's such a shame that it closed down.
Please do a video on the old gallions reach train station and the p&o ferry terminal.
I can’t help feeling that this Jago character with his superior knowledge should be educating on a wider scale. I hope this extended video, (thanks, Jago) reaches a bigger audience than before and future videos continue in this vein. Hat politely doffed to you, Sir.
I did once go inside the North Woolwich station building when it was still a booking office, and went from there on a train to Palace Gates pulled by a class 21 diesel loco.
"This video was rather longer than usual" but, if this is remotely possible, even more informative, captivating, educational, enjoyable, - Oh dear, I seem to have gone on rather longer than usual. Thank you, Mr H. Another superb contribution to your readers (viewers?). Simon T
That museum used to be an absolute highlight for me as a kid, tragic that it became abandoned. A shame also that the gorgeous old pub opposite was bulldozed about 20 years ago and now remains mere wasteland. That little corner had such warmth and soul in the late 80's.
An extra large dose of Jago this morning
many happy memories taking my son to the museum, such a shame it closed, it is sorely missed
That was such a splendid museum. I was so sorry it closed.
Most instructive, enough information to require a second viewing, thank you.
This is one of the few videos I've watched where I felt the need to pause and take a deep breath at the end of the video, as after a long sprint. That was a lot of history in 12 minutes.
I saw the museum once and I was very impressed with the turntable. Shame it closed.
i hadn't noticed the length until you mentioned it. That is a very good thing. Excellent! Thank you. 🖖
Longer than usual Jago video? Count me in. Really interesting as always!
We lived in Beckton in the 1980`s when the kids were very young, and we loved the North Woolwich Old Station Museum, with the preserved booking office.
We would get the train from the new station, and it would take us all the way to Kew Gardens with no changes. Kew station had a bar that opened onto the platform.
Great memory. 👌🏿
What a useful arsnal of information!
I did travel on a heritage steam engine from the Woolwich station it travelled a short distance along the line then back again, I even got to ride on the footplate, and also took photos of the parked teak railway carriages used as activity centres, I also fondly remember the museum itself. I also have photos of the sidings in the area taken when I worked there in the 1980s, rusted lines and a derelict diesel shunter engine.
What a wonderful video, a real trip down memory lane for me. I had the pleasure to visit the North Woolwich Station Museum back in the 1980's and 90's with my family. It was an absolute treasure box of local railway history and I most definitely remember the turntable. I just wonder what happened to most of the items? Thanks for this video, a joy to watch!
I had noticed the building whilst alighting said ferry, however I have never witnessed the building getting on/off the afore mentioned boat!
Buzz. Repetition of "building"!
@@johnm2012 Just a minute...
I can't even imagine seeing a building getting on or getting off of a ferry. That really must be an amazing sight.
The North Woolich station Museum was a great place to visit especially at Easter, my children loved it. Such a shame it closed.
There's an incredible amount of history in that part of town, considering it's not THAT old compared to West London where it's like "this was built in 1705....and it's still the same now". Haha
Thank you Jago, a very complicated history of this line explained. Truly hope the building can be saved and re-used for public benefit. Listing does not always protect buildings fully.
First ten years of my working life were at Uni of Greenwich, starting in 1992 at Woolwich and finally moving to other campuses when they closed Woolwich down in 2000-and-something, Thanks for filling a gap in my local knowledge that my laziness failed to fill at the time. Never used the ferry, never visited North Woolwich.
Back in the mid 80s, this was part of my commute from south east Essex to a contract job in Woolwich. South Woodham Ferrers to Wickford, Wickford to Stratford, then Stratford to North Woolwich, before using the pedestrian tunnel to get across the river. I spent many a happy hour wandering around that little museum and remember that little blue Great Eastern class 209(?) loco well. Sad to learn that the museum and loco are now gone and that the station is in such a poor state.
Thank you JH for this trip down memory lane. (God I feel old!)
I really enjoy when you incorporate information on the London docks. I remember calling at the Tate and Lyle sugar berth on the Thames in Silvertown in the 70's, I believe it used to have its own pub inside the dock which was only open when a ship was alongside (but I could be imagining that!)
As videos about the North Woolwich railways go, this is up high with the best.
Lemony Snicket, A Series of Unfortunate Events. Great books I read all of them growing up.
A trip along Barking Road would certainly be "ruff"! LOL
Did you know, the German for 'barking' (with a small b) is 'bellend'? True!
@@peterdean8009 Ja, das ist doch richtig! (Yes, that is correct!)
Wow, what a history. I never knew it was so layered. Did use the station in the mid nineties to get friends in Canonbury - it was looking tired then, but delighted to see most of the sections reused.
I was absolutely fascinated by this video. The beautiful North Woolwich station building is magnificent to behold. In my
imagination, I can see it being turned into a wonderful family home. Or even a first class restaurant. So many useful
opportunities that would be accepted by the community. May the demolishers never swing their smashing ball anywhere
near that precious little building. It must be preserved. It should never fall.
I've driven past that imposing-looking building several times in recent years after travelling northwards on the ferry. I had no idea what is was until watching thus video!! 😎
Having grown up just down the road I visited the museum a few times as a lad. Would have loved to have seen it become a heritage line.
So much backstory in just one line! I really hope something nice is done with the North Woolwich station building - bring the museum back?
I remember visiting that museum when I was at university on the other side. Still have the book I bought in the museum on the North Woolwich Line. Walked through the foot tunnel to it but got the ferry back. Happy days...
What a "glorious" walk it is alongside the tracks. In days gone by there were all sorts of bits of industrial relics around there, and some fairly modern low-rise "affordable" housing.
I really must take some time to see what the area is like these days.
I went out there last month. The station looks sadder than ever and there are buildings going up in the corner by the old pier.
I learn so much through your videos and two things today totally surprised me!
Woolwich is split in two by the Thames, I hadn't really noticed North Woolwich before
The DLR only started running to Woolwich as recently as 2009!
I think I need to watch this video again in the morning. My brain at midnight cannot cope with the glory of the North Woolwich Railway.
Another VERY interesting video ! I travel between Woolwich and Stratford High St daily. I remember the old Silverlink trains running past the sugar factory at Silvertown to Stratford and the museum at North Woolwich. Thank you for another great video to 'stir' the memories! 👍🙂
Facinating glimpse of things from my childhood, thank you.. My dad was last Superintendant of Woolwich Arsenal's in-house power station.
Travelled to North Woolwich many times from 2002 to 2007 to use the old ferries..good breath of river air!
What a lovely building. Surely someone can lovingly put it to use?
3:37 - Destination Docklands! That view brings back memories of the Jean-Michel Jarre concert I attended there in October 1988.
So presumably, when the Woolwich ferry closed down in 1844, not only did it leave a gap in the market, but also a gap in Woolwich.
Looking forward to the video about the Woolwich ferry.
Always loved that old station - excellent video on the history surrounding it!
"Tidal Basin Urinal Station". 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I see what you did there
Many memories of my youth have once again been brought forth by your excellent knowledge. Thank you.
Twelve minutes, Mr Hazzard? You do spoil us :)
I can only imagine how long it took to draw that map at 2:56. Mad respect
I think that's the rather fantastic Rail Map Online, it shows current and former railways (you can select to display only historic or current or both together.) www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php
great video north woolwich feels like a very strange place hope you can do a video on the palace gates end. i cannot believe how ugly that wood green shopping centre is one reason to be a timelord and change history for the better,
I caught the the train from Stratford to North Woolich every weekend, walked through the Woolich foot tunnel and caugh another train from woolich dockyard in my teenage years to visit a good friend that had moved to Erith. In those days the line from Stratford to North Woolich was known as The Silver Link and had purple stock. The same stock that were running on the First Great Eastern from Liverpool Street to Romford just with different wraps on the outside. I had no idea the station was now disused much like i have no idea why im sharing this pointless story, alas im enjoying being down the habbit hole on your channel at the moment. Subbed!
I've been looking forward to this video since a brief image of North Woolwich Station on your Surbiton Station video sent me down a Googling rabbit hole. Thank you, I was not dissapointed.
Used the North Woolwich line from ‘66 to ‘71 travelling from Stratford to Silvertown. Used to huddle in a coal fired waiting room at Stratford after one train after another was cancelled and when I finally arrived at work (Keiller’s) there would be a red line drawn at 8:10 p.m after which time you were recorded as late.
strangely, the mention of Woolwich area, prompted me to google again for my ancestor's place of birth ( i had been looking in the wrong parts of Charlton and Royal Arsenal), early 1850's little Marlborough street Greenwich. this series of Most Fortunate Events has now unravelled the answer, namely, that little Marlborough street is parallel to Marlborough street which is now named Lassell St in Greenwich. So thank you Jago.
What a shame, lovely old building.I remember riding
on the old steam ferry. Learnt some things I was
unaware of ,very interesting.
I went on the Woolwich ferry many years ago. It stopped mid-Thames as there was a problem with the ferry coming the other way. We sat there for almost an hour, and as the ferry rocked from side to side I got sea sick. Never been on it since....
They've got some swanky new hybrid diesel ferries now, so that shouldn't happen. Only issue is knowing when it's running due to industrial action.
'Never been on it since...' I can't blame you. I took the ferry once from the south side just for the sake of it.
There's the foot tunnel as an alternative, assuming you're not put off by the stories of it being haunted.
@@johnm2012 Alas the class 3 HGV I was driving was too wide for the foot tunnel....
Somewhat longer than usual...? Fftttt. Time flies when yer havin' fun.... Great as always, sir!
I've never seen that building getting on or off the Woolwich Ferry.....😮😮
Thank you once again !
I have ridden in and out of that station when it was operational. Once again thank you, very ineresting
Fantastic video you have answered all the questions I had when I used to use the ferry and see the old lines, thanks for you content dude
Used to go to parties in the pub (The Royal Pavilions) that stood opposite the station and used the line on a few occasions to get home after. Also used to walk through the foot tunnel in the mornings which was always an experience!
The outside 'chill' area was right near the old pier and always wondered what it was.
On a sunny afternoon in the 90s I took the NLL down to North Woolwich from Stratford, I pretty much had the train to myself and remember thinking "this line won't survive much longer", it rattled and lurched and made it's way very slowly down the line. I'm glad I did it, it was like a forgotten branch line.
I used to live near woolwich, on the south side, back in the 60's and we used to cross the river on the ferry but I don't remember seeing that old station, but I was only a kid at the time.
Thanks very much for this fascinating video, it brought back many memories from when I lived in the area. Looking forward to the video about the ferry.
Thanks Jago. You're the unique maxim to my regular viewing.
"You are the optimism to my dashed hopes"
I lived there in 2001/2, and never even realised this route existed! I used Woolwich Arsenal Station.
Huzzah, another great Hazzard video ! - - - Sorry, I'll get my coat.
I don't live anywhere near London or the underground, but i always enjoy your videos. There's so much history behind even the most ordinary sites
I use to go to the museum a lot as a child, there was also a model railway there, good times
I really like this longer video. The others really are too short. Thanks.
The loco that was displayed in the turntable pit at the museum can be seen in its working days on a photo used by Jago in a show about the Decapod locomotive at 6m35sec.The 229 was the star exhibit.
Lockdown here in New Zealand so what better way to go and see these places and thankyou Jago Hazzard I get to view my favourite city and see so many places of interest, great when we can get to return to the UK, makes me home sick well tourist sick if there is such a thing
I remember the museum very well❤️❤️❤️❤️
pity it closed it would have been nice to referb it one day great video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I drove past this building the other day and was wondering what it was, great timing. It's fun to see videos about the place you live, great stuff
North Woolwich, although based in East London used to be considered by many as a segregated part of South London...and still do to this day. Also other parts like Silvertown, Beckton, Crossharbour, Mudchute and Millwall..basically the whole Docklands area that borders the River Thames.
Great video Jago
As always 😉
Thanks for putting this together, I've always been interested in this station. I found this video a little hard to follow, it would have been helpful to have more diagrams and visuals when you were talking about all the different changes and a bit more info on the museum that was there and why it closed.
Loved the longer video 😀😀😀😀
Really enjoyable video Jago.
Somehow it is all rather sad. Historic buildings should not be able to be sold to people, organisations, churches etc, who do not at least maintain them in the "as aquired" state, if a listed building receives no atttention in 2 years it should be open to proposals by the surrounding community and if a good one is given then the owner should fund the initial restoration and repurposing of the said building.