As someone with an anxiety disorder, sometimes you actually NEED to have tough love in order to level your head. Coddling does nothing but enable the manipulation people often feel is happening
I have a saying, “If you want to be a parent, be ready to be a single parent”. The future is not certain, and anything can happen. It’s even less as he and his parents made it clear that they want nothing to do with OPs daughter.
The Daughter expects the BF to stay with her and be a Father, and the Mother expects it too . Yet, both are completely ignoring the fact that OP, the Father of the Daughter isn't with the Mother.
"Paying child support is not being a father. It's barely being responsible." ThISSSS 👏👏👏 Making sure your child doesn't STARVE is doing the bare minimum. That doesn't make you a responsible father.
If a man has no say in whether a child is born or not he has no obligation to support said child. Funny how if a vvoman doesn't want a baby she can end it but a man is on the hook for life no matter what.
@TheRationalist. I've said it once I'll say it again. The real cost of a pregnancy is not finances. It is lives. If men want the opportunity to have a say in whether or not that baby is carried to term, it should be mandatory they play russian roulette first or a game where there's multiple drinks but one is filled with poison or more realistically, multiple types of poison with different degrees of effect on the body.
Story 1: NTA you were being realistic with her, if the boyfriend is not on beard with the baby now, is most likely that he won't be on board once the baby is born. The system can make boyfriend pay child support, something that is owed to the child, but they can't force the boyfriend to fullfil his parental role or to stay with OP's daughter. Your daughter needs to get herself used to the idea that she'll be a single mother and so does your ex wife, because the responsibility of taking care of the grandkid will fall on her.
The daughter will struggle to find another relationship with anyone, men older than her who want to date her are already a red flag, but even so they wouldn’t want to take on the responsibility of being a father, boys her own age will stay away from her like she’s the plague because they too don’t want to be responsible for being a step father I don’t think she’s realised yet how hard it’s going to be, and that she WILL be alone, with millions of childless women out there, why would anyone just starting their lives go for the single mother? She’ll end up as one of the single mothers that make being a single mother their entire personality because she won’t have much else going on in her life The ONLY way that doesn’t happen is if OPs ex steps up and takes on all the babysitting duties, but frankly I don’t see that happening
When one of my nieces married a man from Sierra Leon the wedding was a mixture of American traditions and traditions from Sierra Leon. Both my brother and sister in law walked her down the aisle. There also were parts for all the little kids to play in the ceremony. It was a great wedding.
Way too many girls get pregnant and think it’s just gonna be a happily ever after with their boyfriend that’ll man up and a perfect baby that won’t be hard to raise, and parents that’ll step in and take all the hard stuff.
So, absentee dad wants to walk you down the aisle? Easy solution: Let's say the aisle is 40 feet long. You are 28 years old. Divide 40 by 28. You get 1.4285714286 or 1.429 feet. Your father was an active participant in your life for 10 years. So 10 × 1.429 = 14.29 feet. Both your mom and dad start walking you down the aisle, but your dad drops out at 14.29 feet. Just as he dropped out of your life when you were 10 years old. Your mother continues to walk you down that aisle just as she continued to be a loving parent ever since the divorce. Bonus points if dad's seat is 14.29 feet behind mom's place of honor.
Getting petty with math, I like it! But seriously, dude just drops out of her life for long stretches, he deserves nothing. Heck, make it easy, he doesn't get to come to the wedding at all. Drama llama.
Father NOT walking down the isle story: Oh boy Op NTA by a mile . As a single father myself I wouldn't miss a thing for my sons for anything. There were times I'd switch shifts, I worked in a hospital, just to attend an important event in my child's life. Your father I can't call him a dad any man can be a father but, not every man can be or take on the role of dad missed years of your life and now he wants to just brush it under rug? Nope! He's lucky he's even getting an invite.
My mother gave me the best advice anyone can have during a pregnancy scare when I was younger, which the OP of the first story seems to know as well. "Children cannot raise children." That line is a double-edged lesson. Either the young parent will be forced to grow up too soon and too swiftly and lose out on a lot of life experiences, or they will NOT raise the child they wanted once reality shows them it's not like a doll they can just put away when they get bored. it gets shoved onto the most conveniently available and easiest to manipulate adult nearby. I hope she chooses to adopt out that child and arranges things before it is born. Babies are very popular for adoption cases. Childless couples incapable of conceiving will wait for YEARS for a chance at having a newborn infant to raise.
Story 1: So the ex is delusional. If the daughter wants to raise a child then she needs the hard truth to make an informed decision. She needs to speak to a teen mother and find out just how hard it is. She needs to know exactly what will happen and that the boyfriend will not be a father if he doesn't want to. He is a teen and unlikely to be paying any child support. I'd be surprised if the parents of the bf will have to pay child support for a child that isn't even theirs. Good on you for helping her to see the situation clearly. She has some hard decisions to make with no great choices just the best one for her. Hopefully she will learn to close her legs or at the very least use contraception correctly.
This is from a lawyer btw if both parents are under 18 (and unemancipated) at the time of the child’s conception, their parents (the child’s grandparents) share primary responsibility for supporting the child. This responsibility lasts until both minor unemancipated parents become age 18 or are emancipated.
CAr accident story: NTA Would Op be an AH if the person who hit his car was a boy instead of a girl? I hate how women get a free pass on being emotional, but men are told to man up or get over it. the misandry is real
my cousin got his girlfriend pregnant when he was 16 and the girl was 18, he was taken to court for child support and courts ruled he couldn't be forced to pay till he was 18. he married her when he turned 18.
Story 1: NTA. I'm so glad OP was being realistic with his daughter. It's so important that parents tell their children the truth so they can make informed decisions instead of making decisions based on emotions.
Story 1: "I told my ex if she wants to raise another kid to anywhere to 6-8 years that is on her" 100% correct, if the baby daddy doesn't want to be in the baby's life the most the courts can do is make him pay child support, they can't force him to parent the kid if he doesn't want to, if the daughter wants to keep it she has to accept the fact she's going to be a single mother if the dad wasn't to be in the kids life, the ex can help her out if she wants but if the daughter is adult enough to decide on her own to have the kid she's adult enough to take care of it without OP taking care of it. Actions have consequences.
#4: "Crying won't help one avoid accountability." Just because she was crying doesn't mean she isn't responsible for damaging his vehicle. Too many times crocodile tears come out.
I only ever see that "He'll come around once the baby is here" BS from woman and I'm saying this as a man that it is 100% NOT how shit works and having a baby expecting that to happen is insane. The mom is setting her daughter up to fail and the baby will be the one to really suffer because of it.
That boy is a teenager. No surprise he doesn't want anything to do with a baby. Not saying he's right just not surprised in his actions. OP is giving his daughter a reality check on how things will most likely be should she have this baby and keep it. Definitely NTA for letting his daughter know that she will most likely be a single parent which means her life is going to be a struggle for several years.
My dad and I were just talking about this. In the past, men were shamed into doing "the right thing" and marrying a girl they knocked up. But society doesn't do that anymore. I don't know that this is better.
@@mysteryfan15I have friends and family, from significantly older to younger, that have lived with: Parent that stayed but didn't want kids, Parent left and the Kid learned early that they didn't want kids, and Parent left but the Kid didn't learn why they left. Personally, it's best that the Parent leaves and says that they didn't want to be a Parent, it solves a lot of future problems when there's instant closure when they start asking questions without the layers of lies and false hope.
#5: "As the stay at home Mom, you need to make food that people want to eat. We DO NOT want tuna just because you like tuna so much." Why can't the wife listen? Two people out of three do not want to eat tuna. She doesn't respect him, or his kid.
I love the comment saying “It’s up to the daughter what she decides to do with her own body”. That person obviously doesn’t live in half the US these days. Vote like it’s the last election of your life if that’s your expectation.
At least it sounds like her dad would be willing to drive her to another state to terminate it. Some of these poor kids get stuck with religious nutters who think a teen pregnancy is a "miracle".
Tuna is a BIG fish, high up in the aquatic/fish food chain...so, it contains a lot of (concentrated) mercury. There are cautions about humans eating tuna only once a week, so that this mercury does not build up and cause problems in a human body.
Accident Story: While I get having anxiety over an accident I caused, OP said multiple times, "Not to worry", "Accidents happen." and so on. I can see how, after reaffirming her multiple times, how he was getting a little frustrated with her.
Story 1: I think what this girl needs is a robot baby, like one you might see in high school classes. It’ll simulate the reality of being a teen mom for her, which is what she desperately needs here. Hopefully something can be legally worked out with the (ex?) bf and his legal obligation, but I am with OP on this. The boy will probably not step up, and while it is sad for the daughter, she has to move forward for her child. She has made an adult decision, and now mist continue to do so, especially if she chooses to keep the baby. Wishing them the best.
Story 1: Thank goodness dad has his head on straight and is refusing to enable his child. Even if the baby daddy steps up, unless the adults financially pool together to pay for daycare while they're in school at least one of them is going to have to drop out or do distance learning. If the daughter's highschool doesn't have a student-mother's daycare, she's going to have to be made to do remote schooling from home on the days she's set to live with dad or dad is going to have to give full/primary custody of daughter to mom and pay more child support. And the mom is going to likely change her mind fast when she has to pay for childcare or arrange her own work to be able to take care of her grandbaby while daughter attends school.
She was crying and carrying on, you told her to stop carrying on. She is driving, she needs to get a hold of herself. If her mother wasn't there, she would've been rendered useless. She needs to take a deep breath and deal with the situation.
This. The responders also seem to forget that she was in hysterics when OP showed up (so before he even got there), while they were waiting for the cops, and as OP was leaving. That is a long time to go without being able to calm yourself down to the point of just stopping your crying. OP is Nta, girl was being way too much.
The tuna sandwich story: there's not really cooking involved in a tuna sandwich unless it's like grilling or baking a fillet of tuna that you then put on a sandwich. But what comes to mind when making a tuna sandwich is opening a can, mixing with condiments, maybe chopping some pickles or veg to add to mix, and slapping that on bread. The wife's daughter can do that much herself and the wife can actually cook a meal for the family. Also because of mercury and the like in fish, especially tuna, it's advised to not consume it too frequently. Best to reduce it to at least once a week.
Tuna patty melt? Mix canned tuna with preferred condiments, slap it on some bread, add cheese then top with some bread, and grill it on the stove like you would grilled cheese.
The car accident story, I understand being nervous about the repercussions over things like this but the girl needs to take a chill pill. She didn't do it on purpose, she didn't leave the scene, she didn't ruin OP's car, she didn't hurt anybody, etc. She will probably have to pay for damages but that would just be through her insurance. Anyways, these kinds of things happen all the time, she isn't the first and definitely won't be the last. Hopefully this will be her one and only accident. But crying over it isn't going to help. OP is NTA, he could be a little kinder but he's still not the AH.
"Cooking" tuna sandwiches twice a week...... :') What are the other meals she 'cooks'? Bag of Doritos or TV dinners? She isn't a SAHM, she is a SAHW. OP will see a lot less of his daughter very very shortly.
@@lilletrille1892 Guy condones his daughter eating tuna sandwiches two times a week instead of dinner but has a fit over burger and fries. That was probably the most healthy meal she had in a year.
"Imagine being a stay at home and everytime you want to go outside having to ask your husband for money" imagine having a job (stay at home mum) not doing your job and still expecting to get paid
Don't listen to the commenter, the girl is overplaying her part. Seen plenty of that and judges letting those brats off easily, then they get into a bigger auto crash because they didn't learn anything...🤦
Im british and i would likely have behaved in exactly the same way as the gf. Its not cultural. Its polite and reasonable. Either they are very judgemental. Or he is. I mean we dont know if it came from him, but what they said and did does seem like it was true. The family sounds awful and very rude and yes, sexist
No, it’s absolutely OP’s fault for equating financial support to emotional support. Even now he talks like her having a baby is just a business proposition weighing pros and cons and being absolutely brutal. No wonder daughter tried to fill the emotional hole, left by her father, by having sex with some guy and trying to babytrap him so she would have a happy family while receiving love from bf and baby.
Last story: What a toxic relationship. The parents are both AH's, the daughter and stepdaughter are innocent and just trying to eat foods they enjoy. The stay at home wife with two essentially adult human beings is a lazy jerk who doesn't care about her stepdaughter's needs and the dad is a jackass who has to micromanage everybody's lives. OP, who the hell are you to "not allow" your grown ass daughter to eat whatever she wants to eat? That's some next level hubris there. Besides, fast food occasionally isn't going to threaten her health, FFS. Good grief, what a pair. You deserve each other while the daughters deserve emotionally mature people in their lives.
Story 2: OP NTA: Being British I can say though, the getting paralytic at a wedding is a British tradition for some reason, I don’t drink, and turning down a cuppa when offered is technically a capital crime in the UK. 🤣 I hate tea and coffee as well, so I offend people on a daily basis, but I have to keep quiet about it or they might revoke my British citizenship! 😉 The rest has gone nothing to do with being British just with them being arseholes!
It doesn’t paint him in a goofy light that he thinks his family’s complaints are valid (she got dressed before breakfast! 😱) AND that he dumped all this ridiculousness on op, but that he blew off her impressions of his family and told her she was being rude. Bf and his family are not very self-aware.
"The rest has nothing to do with them being British but with them being arseholes." Wrong, mate. This has everything to do with being British. This is typical upper class snobbish behaviour of Brits that carry that "Downton Abbey" vibe. They still have the mindset of "The British, the British, the British are best. So up with the British and down with the rest." And they let everyone feel it.
car hit story. NTA the girl was being dramatic. she had THREE PEOPLE say its good and no one was hurt and in the time that the cops got there she was still crying??? what that would take 20-50 min since no was died/was hurt. yeah no way. and i love every commit was like "you dont know what she went though" yeah? and we dont know what he went though? whats your point? man that sub reddit love to coddle people at times.
“She knows she’s not allowed to eat junk food” Um, she’s 18, she can eat whatever the hell she wants. This reason alone is enough to say ESH for the last story, but they also have so many other issues.
Wow, that's such a tough situation! The fact that both parents are seeing things so differently is definitely going to cause some tension down the line.
Parents do not pay child support for their children's kids. It just doesn't work that way. Wait, what did I just hear? OP dared to put clothes on for breakfast? The nerve of her. She didn't eat enough or wasn't "friendly" enough to little kids. The world is coming to an end. Naturally a female crying over an accident is clearly trying to be manipulative. Geeze.
This is directly from a usa lawyer if both parents are under 18 (and unemancipated) at the time of the child’s conception, their parents (the child’s grandparents) share primary responsibility for supporting the child. This responsibility lasts until both minor unemancipated parents become age 18 or are emancipated.
I was a new driver and was in a 1 car meets building accident. It took me a week to not burst into tears randomly. It really shakes you up. I wasn't even worried about "being in trouble". My nervous system was in a panic.
@miss_mish well, unfortunately at that time, decades ago, my car dragged me into a building. Scars all over my leg. Did I make a stupid decision trying to gently push my lemon out of a very dark intersection before i got t-boned? Yup. But the electrical shorted and even my hazards weren't working. I made a silly decision. Fortunately, car vs building left car destroyed and building lost a small chunk of brick. Is still standing and fine to this day.
It’s unbelievable that all the things that teenage girls could be focused on or faced everyday, and getting pregnant should be the least of these things with a teenager, because not everyone is going to have a village to help you raise your kid or be one big happy family
1 - NTA. Maybe BF will come around, maybe he won't. You can't count on that. If your daughter doesn't get an abortion or adopt out, her life is over. I'm sorry you're dealing with this, and I see why you're divorced by how dumb your ex is acting.
Tuna Sandwiches: Unless the wife is buying raw tuna steaks to cook, I don't see how you 'cook' a sandwich. That said, the compromise is to prepare the salad and bread, and then substitute cheese or baloney or some deli meat for the tuna. ESH, the husband and wife for their pettiness, and the children for not preparing their own food.
S1: The only way OP's child support payments for his 16 yr old daughter would increase is if the court legally determines one or both sets of grandparents responsible to pay child support until the bio father is of age and can make the money to take over the payments. Child support obligations generally do not increase just because the minor child has a baby as her bio parent is typically not on the hook to pay for the grandchild. OP is NTA for giving his daughter the blunt wake up call that she needs about the reality of her situation. She is having a baby, not a baby doll! She needs to realize that if she gets to attend and finish high school without opting for her GED or attend college it will be a blessing. There will not be hanging out with friends, late night parties, weekend getaways, long trips, or free time that isn't spent on a job between parenting and school work. Too many young mother's love the idea of having a baby to dress up in matching outfits, take adorable Instagram pictures with, or to show off on social media and are completely overlooking and deluding themselves about the hard work, stress, long hours, late nights, and financial woes that come with being a parent. You potentially have most of your life to become and be a parent, just be happy being a kid while you can because you can never get that time or lack of responsibilities back!
If you are a stay at home mom, and you have sandwich nights twice a week for dinner? (A stay at home to a 17 and 18 year old mind you.) you deserve to be divorced and get 0% of the marital assets. What could you POSSIBLY be doing that would make the best effort you could do, sandwiches twice a week, especially tuna only, when the other daughter hates it. This is laughable, and half of Reddit goes, “wait it’s a woman tho she must be in the right! Wow OP you sound controlling!” Yeha if only his wife could control the stove and actually cook. Lmfao. One of her few duties she has in her child level life. She does less than 4 hours of work a day, guaranteed.
S3: Weddings, funerals and Christenings! NOT the time to 'mend relationships'. Mending a relationship takes a lot more than a one-off display of tolerance for the sake of keeping the peace.
I do not understand why that one comment said they treated op "like a woman"...... like, HUH?... They treated her like she doesn't deserve to say no or have her boundaries respected. Pretty sure that's a flaw on their part. What does getting dressed for breakfast have to do with being a woman? Or going with the bf to the store? They don't respect ops autonomy. Crap family and crap bf. Op deserves better
I think that's what the commenter meant. They wanted her to conform to stereotypical female norms, staying with the women, watching/playing with children, etc.
Not to mention their "classist" ideals all while being fall-down drunk at a wedding? Really classy there. It was more like OP was civilized and it contrasted with the way they conduct themselves.
Last story. ETA. It sounds like this couple hardly discussed anything before they married! Wife said she's not responsible for caring for her SD? The family will "have to get used" to tuna 2X a week? OPs response is valid, but he should get his kid into a cooking class. I don't think this marriage is going to last.
I dont get why these teen moms keep expecting a baby will lock-in a guy that doesnt want to stick around🤨 as if a baby ever kept a runner around🙄, historically we've all seen the price of my body my choice "mom path" the guys that never signed up for a baby dont stick around and only if by some miracle he's half decent you might get some child support, but the sad reality is that if you keep it youre on your own. I only feel bad for the poor kid that in most of these cases gets bounced around like unwanted luggage on reluctant relatives who feel bad for the poor child while the teen mom finally gets hit with the reality that having a baby isnt like having a doll you can just drop once you get bored or tired😞
Last story: Tuna sandwiches for dinner? I can understand for lunch, but not for dinner. You can pep up tuna into something more substantial for dinner. Having said that, OP has a failure to communicate issue that is escalating at the speed of sound.
I really don't get why these bfs who decide to get their young gfs get off the hook and their parents refuse to have their sons face the consequences of their actions. Yeah they might be horny but if they decide to do the deed they are purposefully attempting to make a baby every time they do it they can't be 😲 and they need to take responsibility. NOT RUN AWAY OR HID BEHIND MOMMY AND DADDY
There seems to be some misconceptions about whether or not the parents/grandparents can be forced to pay for the child While ive seen it first hand (USA) Dont take my word for it this is a quote from a lawyer if both parents are under 18 (and unemancipated) at the time of the child’s conception, their parents (the child’s grandparents) share primary responsibility for supporting the child. This responsibility lasts until both minor unemancipated parents become age 18 or are emancipated.
If it is possible i think op should see if he borrow or get one of those baby dolls that has keys for the actions a baby needs and let his daughter see if she coukd really take care of a baby
Okay hol upl. We left Thursday evening and came back yesterday. What? Do we know what day of the week that is? Monday, Tuesday yesterday, Thursday, etc
1st story. Thoose teens stopped being children when they engaged in adult activities. And just hearing the young mans parents saying they're going to protect him? Where was this protection when he was having unprotected sex. Im a mother of three boys and i taught them from a young age about responsibility and not being stupid. And getting any one pregnant was a get a job and pay child support deal, because that girl didnt impregnate herself. Note none of my boys got that stupid either. Now That boy and his daughter dont have to marry, but he should be responsible. Be a better dad and take that boys family to court and make your daughter get a job as well. Saying you'll not help and placing the blame on your daughter makes you the butt. Im glad your being realistic but be realistic towards the other 16 year old in this. And his dam parents
The first car accident I got into was when I was 18 sobbed the whole time and I remember the cop tried to joke that I "didn't need to get dressed up to go to an accident". I kept crying.
Dramatic driver: You know, not everything needs to be said out loud. You displayed a shocking lack of class when the right thing to do would have been to continue to ignore her dramatics, just as you had done the entire time. Think whatever you want, but you did nothing to improve the situation with your remarks, so what did you hope to accomplish? I certainly hope your own lack of tact made you feel good about yourself.
Story one: we have GOT to normalize telling young mothers "You're dropping out now and getting a job to support your baby." She doesn't get to go to college; high school is a maybe. She was old enough to choose sex, she's old enough to be a mom. Same to the father, but until murder rights are taken from loose women, I can't say he should be held accountable since, well, if she gets mad she can kill his child.
Last story: nothing to do with the story really more to do withe the comment: just cause someone is 18 does not mean they suddenly have to start buy stuff for themselves. They could still be in school. Kids can turn 18 at the beginning of the school year. It could be summer and the daughter is getting ready to leave for college in the fall. Can we please stop using 18 as suddenly this magic number that makes someone an absolute responsible adult. Just because the government says so does not mean they are suddenly ready for a house car and full time job
16:36 the food issue. I think everyone is the idiot. His strict lines, the 18 year can occasionally cook for themselves, and all the control issue the other commenters say.
Last story NTA. OP’s a boss for telling the wife to suck it. Wants a Gucci bag when she doesn’t work and passive aggressively makes Tuna twice a week? lol. The YTA commenters are misandrists for attacking him for controlling the money. It’s his damn money she wants to blow on a bag when his kid isn’t even fed properly. Get a life.
Nice try to the daughter can take her to court and he's going to have to force to pay child support so here's the thing you may not want to be a parent who does it mean you're going to not be able to pay child support unless you gave up your rights that's not how the world works and yes if you made that kid then you face the consequences and pay for that kid does it mean you have to be the parent it means you still have to support that kid you shouldn't have sex if you don't expect to have kids cuz no protection in the world can still fail and you can still end up being a parent but yeah you do need to pay for your kid unless you want to take away your custody rights that's the only way for you to stop paying but guess what doesn't mean that your kids not going to come find you in call you a deadbeat parent
As someone with an anxiety disorder, sometimes you actually NEED to have tough love in order to level your head. Coddling does nothing but enable the manipulation people often feel is happening
“Paying a bill does not make a parent.”
This! This a thousand times over!
#1: "Honey, life doesn't work that way. I can't force anyone to do anything."
That boyfriend is going for milk and never coming back,the mother and op will rise this baby and the next one
I'm pretty sure the boy already considers himself the ex-boyfriend and OP should get that through to his daughter.
@@ebayrose yeah you’re right that boy is gone
I'm so glad I got the snip as soon as I could and before it was too late!
Nah, I'm thinking he's going out for a pack of smokes lol
Sad but true. Looks like they'll be doing it on their own.
I have a saying, “If you want to be a parent, be ready to be a single parent”. The future is not certain, and anything can happen. It’s even less as he and his parents made it clear that they want nothing to do with OPs daughter.
The Daughter expects the BF to stay with her and be a Father, and the Mother expects it too . Yet, both are completely ignoring the fact that OP, the Father of the Daughter isn't with the Mother.
"Paying child support is not being a father. It's barely being responsible." ThISSSS 👏👏👏 Making sure your child doesn't STARVE is doing the bare minimum. That doesn't make you a responsible father.
The child support a teen could pay still won't keep the kid from starving. That girl is a moron.
If a man has no say in whether a child is born or not he has no obligation to support said child. Funny how if a vvoman doesn't want a baby she can end it but a man is on the hook for life no matter what.
@@samanthasmiles9112 child support can’t be as little as 20$ the best thing for the kid is not being born
@TheRationalist. I've said it once I'll say it again. The real cost of a pregnancy is not finances. It is lives. If men want the opportunity to have a say in whether or not that baby is carried to term, it should be mandatory they play russian roulette first or a game where there's multiple drinks but one is filled with poison or more realistically, multiple types of poison with different degrees of effect on the body.
@@Lillypop93 That's an incredibly stupid take, at least in the second half.
Story 1: NTA you were being realistic with her, if the boyfriend is not on beard with the baby now, is most likely that he won't be on board once the baby is born.
The system can make boyfriend pay child support, something that is owed to the child, but they can't force the boyfriend to fullfil his parental role or to stay with OP's daughter.
Your daughter needs to get herself used to the idea that she'll be a single mother and so does your ex wife, because the responsibility of taking care of the grandkid will fall on her.
@@despinasgarden.4100 you’d be shocked how people can’t get out of child support some men give as little as 20$ a month
The daughter will struggle to find another relationship with anyone, men older than her who want to date her are already a red flag, but even so they wouldn’t want to take on the responsibility of being a father, boys her own age will stay away from her like she’s the plague because they too don’t want to be responsible for being a step father
I don’t think she’s realised yet how hard it’s going to be, and that she WILL be alone, with millions of childless women out there, why would anyone just starting their lives go for the single mother?
She’ll end up as one of the single mothers that make being a single mother their entire personality because she won’t have much else going on in her life
The ONLY way that doesn’t happen is if OPs ex steps up and takes on all the babysitting duties, but frankly I don’t see that happening
And suppose he decides to lie down at home and refuse to work while mommy and daddy house him?
Well said! It’s all about being realistic, not feeding into false hope.
When one of my nieces married a man from Sierra Leon the wedding was a mixture of American traditions and traditions from Sierra Leon. Both my brother and sister in law walked her down the aisle. There also were parts for all the little kids to play in the ceremony. It was a great wedding.
Way too many girls get pregnant and think it’s just gonna be a happily ever after with their boyfriend that’ll man up and a perfect baby that won’t be hard to raise, and parents that’ll step in and take all the hard stuff.
So, absentee dad wants to walk you down the aisle? Easy solution: Let's say the aisle is 40 feet long. You are 28 years old. Divide 40 by 28. You get 1.4285714286 or 1.429 feet. Your father was an active participant in your life for 10 years. So 10 × 1.429 = 14.29 feet.
Both your mom and dad start walking you down the aisle, but your dad drops out at 14.29 feet. Just as he dropped out of your life when you were 10 years old. Your mother continues to walk you down that aisle just as she continued to be a loving parent ever since the divorce.
Bonus points if dad's seat is 14.29 feet behind mom's place of honor.
Getting petty with math, I like it! But seriously, dude just drops out of her life for long stretches, he deserves nothing. Heck, make it easy, he doesn't get to come to the wedding at all. Drama llama.
Tell the Pops he already gave you away years ago.
Haha, that’s a very mathematical way to look at it! But yeah, only the people who were there from the start should get that honor.
Father NOT walking down the isle story: Oh boy Op NTA by a mile . As a single father myself I wouldn't miss a thing for my sons for anything. There were times I'd switch shifts, I worked in a hospital, just to attend an important event in my child's life. Your father I can't call him a dad any man can be a father but, not every man can be or take on the role of dad missed years of your life and now he wants to just brush it under rug? Nope! He's lucky he's even getting an invite.
My mother gave me the best advice anyone can have during a pregnancy scare when I was younger, which the OP of the first story seems to know as well. "Children cannot raise children."
That line is a double-edged lesson. Either the young parent will be forced to grow up too soon and too swiftly and lose out on a lot of life experiences, or they will NOT raise the child they wanted once reality shows them it's not like a doll they can just put away when they get bored. it gets shoved onto the most conveniently available and easiest to manipulate adult nearby.
I hope she chooses to adopt out that child and arranges things before it is born. Babies are very popular for adoption cases. Childless couples incapable of conceiving will wait for YEARS for a chance at having a newborn infant to raise.
Story 1: So the ex is delusional. If the daughter wants to raise a child then she needs the hard truth to make an informed decision. She needs to speak to a teen mother and find out just how hard it is. She needs to know exactly what will happen and that the boyfriend will not be a father if he doesn't want to. He is a teen and unlikely to be paying any child support. I'd be surprised if the parents of the bf will have to pay child support for a child that isn't even theirs. Good on you for helping her to see the situation clearly. She has some hard decisions to make with no great choices just the best one for her. Hopefully she will learn to close her legs or at the very least use contraception correctly.
This is from a lawyer btw
if both parents are under 18 (and unemancipated) at the time of the child’s conception, their parents (the child’s grandparents) share primary responsibility for supporting the child. This responsibility lasts until both minor unemancipated parents become age 18 or are emancipated.
@@Lillypop93 that may be true where you live but it absolutely isn't where I am. I am assuming this varies throughout the world in varying degrees.
@@miss_mish 🇺🇸 USA btw
CAr accident story: NTA Would Op be an AH if the person who hit his car was a boy instead of a girl? I hate how women get a free pass on being emotional, but men are told to man up or get over it. the misandry is real
my cousin got his girlfriend pregnant when he was 16 and the girl was 18, he was taken to court for child support and courts ruled he couldn't be forced to pay till he was 18. he married her when he turned 18.
And are they still together?
Story 1: NTA. I'm so glad OP was being realistic with his daughter. It's so important that parents tell their children the truth so they can make informed decisions instead of making decisions based on emotions.
1) my dad hasn't so much as bought me a bar of soap since I was 4. Op is the smart one here. The mom is sus.
Story 1: "I told my ex if she wants to raise another kid to anywhere to 6-8 years that is on her" 100% correct, if the baby daddy doesn't want to be in the baby's life the most the courts can do is make him pay child support, they can't force him to parent the kid if he doesn't want to, if the daughter wants to keep it she has to accept the fact she's going to be a single mother if the dad wasn't to be in the kids life, the ex can help her out if she wants but if the daughter is adult enough to decide on her own to have the kid she's adult enough to take care of it without OP taking care of it. Actions have consequences.
Story 4 has my mind blown tfffffffff. What is this marriage made of! Why is she a sahm to some grown kids? None of this makes any sense.
I was thinking the same thing! Also, making tuna sandwiches is not cooking 😂😂😂 Sis got it easy 😭
#4: "Crying won't help one avoid accountability."
Just because she was crying doesn't mean she isn't responsible for damaging his vehicle.
Too many times crocodile tears come out.
I only ever see that "He'll come around once the baby is here" BS from woman and I'm saying this as a man that it is 100% NOT how shit works and having a baby expecting that to happen is insane. The mom is setting her daughter up to fail and the baby will be the one to really suffer because of it.
That boy is a teenager. No surprise he doesn't want anything to do with a baby. Not saying he's right just not surprised in his actions. OP is giving his daughter a reality check on how things will most likely be should she have this baby and keep it. Definitely NTA for letting his daughter know that she will most likely be a single parent which means her life is going to be a struggle for several years.
My dad and I were just talking about this. In the past, men were shamed into doing "the right thing" and marrying a girl they knocked up. But society doesn't do that anymore. I don't know that this is better.
@@mysteryfan15I have friends and family, from significantly older to younger, that have lived with: Parent that stayed but didn't want kids, Parent left and the Kid learned early that they didn't want kids, and Parent left but the Kid didn't learn why they left. Personally, it's best that the Parent leaves and says that they didn't want to be a Parent, it solves a lot of future problems when there's instant closure when they start asking questions without the layers of lies and false hope.
#5: "As the stay at home Mom, you need to make food that people want to eat. We DO NOT want tuna just because you like tuna so much."
Why can't the wife listen? Two people out of three do not want to eat tuna. She doesn't respect him, or his kid.
I love the comment saying “It’s up to the daughter what she decides to do with her own body”. That person obviously doesn’t live in half the US these days. Vote like it’s the last election of your life if that’s your expectation.
At least it sounds like her dad would be willing to drive her to another state to terminate it. Some of these poor kids get stuck with religious nutters who think a teen pregnancy is a "miracle".
That was sadly my thought as well
Tuna is a BIG fish, high up in the aquatic/fish food chain...so, it contains a lot of (concentrated) mercury. There are cautions about humans eating tuna only once a week, so that this mercury does not build up and cause problems in a human body.
Story 2: Run. Run fast and run far.
Accident Story: While I get having anxiety over an accident I caused, OP said multiple times, "Not to worry", "Accidents happen." and so on. I can see how, after reaffirming her multiple times, how he was getting a little frustrated with her.
Story 1: I think what this girl needs is a robot baby, like one you might see in high school classes. It’ll simulate the reality of being a teen mom for her, which is what she desperately needs here. Hopefully something can be legally worked out with the (ex?) bf and his legal obligation, but I am with OP on this. The boy will probably not step up, and while it is sad for the daughter, she has to move forward for her child. She has made an adult decision, and now mist continue to do so, especially if she chooses to keep the baby. Wishing them the best.
Story 1: Thank goodness dad has his head on straight and is refusing to enable his child. Even if the baby daddy steps up, unless the adults financially pool together to pay for daycare while they're in school at least one of them is going to have to drop out or do distance learning.
If the daughter's highschool doesn't have a student-mother's daycare, she's going to have to be made to do remote schooling from home on the days she's set to live with dad or dad is going to have to give full/primary custody of daughter to mom and pay more child support. And the mom is going to likely change her mind fast when she has to pay for childcare or arrange her own work to be able to take care of her grandbaby while daughter attends school.
She was crying and carrying on, you told her to stop carrying on. She is driving, she needs to get a hold of herself. If her mother wasn't there, she would've been rendered useless. She needs to take a deep breath and deal with the situation.
This. The responders also seem to forget that she was in hysterics when OP showed up (so before he even got there), while they were waiting for the cops, and as OP was leaving. That is a long time to go without being able to calm yourself down to the point of just stopping your crying. OP is Nta, girl was being way too much.
The tuna sandwich story: there's not really cooking involved in a tuna sandwich unless it's like grilling or baking a fillet of tuna that you then put on a sandwich. But what comes to mind when making a tuna sandwich is opening a can, mixing with condiments, maybe chopping some pickles or veg to add to mix, and slapping that on bread. The wife's daughter can do that much herself and the wife can actually cook a meal for the family. Also because of mercury and the like in fish, especially tuna, it's advised to not consume it too frequently. Best to reduce it to at least once a week.
Tuna patty melt? Mix canned tuna with preferred condiments, slap it on some bread, add cheese then top with some bread, and grill it on the stove like you would grilled cheese.
The car accident story, I understand being nervous about the repercussions over things like this but the girl needs to take a chill pill. She didn't do it on purpose, she didn't leave the scene, she didn't ruin OP's car, she didn't hurt anybody, etc. She will probably have to pay for damages but that would just be through her insurance. Anyways, these kinds of things happen all the time, she isn't the first and definitely won't be the last. Hopefully this will be her one and only accident. But crying over it isn't going to help. OP is NTA, he could be a little kinder but he's still not the AH.
"Cooking" tuna sandwiches twice a week...... :') What are the other meals she 'cooks'? Bag of Doritos or TV dinners? She isn't a SAHM, she is a SAHW. OP will see a lot less of his daughter very very shortly.
I came to say the same. Making sandwiches isn't cooking!
Sandwiches aren't dinner!
@@lilletrille1892 Guy condones his daughter eating tuna sandwiches two times a week instead of dinner but has a fit over burger and fries. That was probably the most healthy meal she had in a year.
@@Cl0ckcl0ck yup
"Imagine being a stay at home and everytime you want to go outside having to ask your husband for money" imagine having a job (stay at home mum) not doing your job and still expecting to get paid
Don't listen to the commenter, the girl is overplaying her part. Seen plenty of that and judges letting those brats off easily, then they get into a bigger auto crash because they didn't learn anything...🤦
yeah, sounded like she was being a drama llama
And even if she wasn't trying to be manipulative it absolutely sounded like she was wallowing unnecessarily. I would have been annoyed too either way.
@@ynmonroebeen there, got put on mood stabilizers. Better for everyone when you don't go into "the world is ending" mode over every little screw up.
Gotta love all the clown commenters calling OP TA for that one. They're probably brats themselves, lol
Why is last OP's wife a SAHM to a 17 and 18 year old?
Why can the 'child' who doesn't like tuna make their own food?
While family seems dysfunctional.
car crash story, im with op, people are overdramatic because they know they will get coddled
also abolish child support
If the kid is that stressed over a minute bumper bump, they definitely shouldn't be driving
Im british and i would likely have behaved in exactly the same way as the gf. Its not cultural. Its polite and reasonable. Either they are very judgemental. Or he is. I mean we dont know if it came from him, but what they said and did does seem like it was true. The family sounds awful and very rude and yes, sexist
Last story -NTA. Stay at home wife? And she cant even pull her end of the deal?
no 1, the mother is why the daughter is like this. 'maybe he'll come around once its born' omg such bs
No, it’s absolutely OP’s fault for equating financial support to emotional support. Even now he talks like her having a baby is just a business proposition weighing pros and cons and being absolutely brutal. No wonder daughter tried to fill the emotional hole, left by her father, by having sex with some guy and trying to babytrap him so she would have a happy family while receiving love from bf and baby.
Last story: What a toxic relationship. The parents are both AH's, the daughter and stepdaughter are innocent and just trying to eat foods they enjoy. The stay at home wife with two essentially adult human beings is a lazy jerk who doesn't care about her stepdaughter's needs and the dad is a jackass who has to micromanage everybody's lives. OP, who the hell are you to "not allow" your grown ass daughter to eat whatever she wants to eat? That's some next level hubris there. Besides, fast food occasionally isn't going to threaten her health, FFS. Good grief, what a pair. You deserve each other while the daughters deserve emotionally mature people in their lives.
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Story 2: OP NTA: Being British I can say though, the getting paralytic at a wedding is a British tradition for some reason, I don’t drink, and turning down a cuppa when offered is technically a capital crime in the UK. 🤣 I hate tea and coffee as well, so I offend people on a daily basis, but I have to keep quiet about it or they might revoke my British citizenship! 😉 The rest has gone nothing to do with being British just with them being arseholes!
It doesn’t paint him in a goofy light that he thinks his family’s complaints are valid (she got dressed before breakfast! 😱) AND that he dumped all this ridiculousness on op, but that he blew off her impressions of his family and told her she was being rude. Bf and his family are not very self-aware.
"The rest has nothing to do with them being British but with them being arseholes." Wrong, mate. This has everything to do with being British. This is typical upper class snobbish behaviour of Brits that carry that "Downton Abbey" vibe. They still have the mindset of "The British, the British, the British are best. So up with the British and down with the rest." And they let everyone feel it.
car hit story. NTA the girl was being dramatic. she had THREE PEOPLE say its good and no one was hurt and in the time that the cops got there she was still crying??? what that would take 20-50 min since no was died/was hurt. yeah no way. and i love every commit was like "you dont know what she went though" yeah? and we dont know what he went though? whats your point? man that sub reddit love to coddle people at times.
#3: My wedding, my choice.
"You weren't there for me, my Mom was."
“She knows she’s not allowed to eat junk food” Um, she’s 18, she can eat whatever the hell she wants. This reason alone is enough to say ESH for the last story, but they also have so many other issues.
Wow, that's such a tough situation! The fact that both parents are seeing things so differently is definitely going to cause some tension down the line.
Parents do not pay child support for their children's kids. It just doesn't work that way.
Wait, what did I just hear? OP dared to put clothes on for breakfast? The nerve of her. She didn't eat enough or wasn't "friendly" enough to little kids. The world is coming to an end.
Naturally a female crying over an accident is clearly trying to be manipulative. Geeze.
In my country they DO! Horrible but True.
That's literally how my sixteen and pregnant friend got her child support
This is directly from a usa lawyer
if both parents are under 18 (and unemancipated) at the time of the child’s conception, their parents (the child’s grandparents) share primary responsibility for supporting the child. This responsibility lasts until both minor unemancipated parents become age 18 or are emancipated.
The last story, the last commentary was spot on. The OP needs to re-evaluate the relationship.
Story 1 NTA: I bet the ex-wife baby trapped OP and now has raised her daughter to believe that baby trapping is the best way to keep a guy
Finally, The Last Commenter nailed it.
Telling someone who is wreck to "calm down" has never once ever calmed them down. Her Mom was there. Walk away and let Mom do it and let it go.
'Chewna' fish sandwiches😌
I was a new driver and was in a 1 car meets building accident. It took me a week to not burst into tears randomly. It really shakes you up. I wasn't even worried about "being in trouble". My nervous system was in a panic.
Sounds like you shouldn't have been driving at all.
@miss_mish well, unfortunately at that time, decades ago, my car dragged me into a building. Scars all over my leg. Did I make a stupid decision trying to gently push my lemon out of a very dark intersection before i got t-boned? Yup. But the electrical shorted and even my hazards weren't working. I made a silly decision. Fortunately, car vs building left car destroyed and building lost a small chunk of brick. Is still standing and fine to this day.
It’s unbelievable that all the things that teenage girls could be focused on or faced everyday, and getting pregnant should be the least of these things with a teenager, because not everyone is going to have a village to help you raise your kid or be one big happy family
1 - NTA. Maybe BF will come around, maybe he won't. You can't count on that. If your daughter doesn't get an abortion or adopt out, her life is over. I'm sorry you're dealing with this, and I see why you're divorced by how dumb your ex is acting.
Story 1: NTA. Girl definitely needed a reality injection. So does her mom. And if that kid is over 18 call the cops.
Tuna Sandwiches: Unless the wife is buying raw tuna steaks to cook, I don't see how you 'cook' a sandwich. That said, the compromise is to prepare the salad and bread, and then substitute cheese or baloney or some deli meat for the tuna. ESH, the husband and wife for their pettiness, and the children for not preparing their own food.
S1: The only way OP's child support payments for his 16 yr old daughter would increase is if the court legally determines one or both sets of grandparents responsible to pay child support until the bio father is of age and can make the money to take over the payments. Child support obligations generally do not increase just because the minor child has a baby as her bio parent is typically not on the hook to pay for the grandchild.
OP is NTA for giving his daughter the blunt wake up call that she needs about the reality of her situation. She is having a baby, not a baby doll! She needs to realize that if she gets to attend and finish high school without opting for her GED or attend college it will be a blessing. There will not be hanging out with friends, late night parties, weekend getaways, long trips, or free time that isn't spent on a job between parenting and school work. Too many young mother's love the idea of having a baby to dress up in matching outfits, take adorable Instagram pictures with, or to show off on social media and are completely overlooking and deluding themselves about the hard work, stress, long hours, late nights, and financial woes that come with being a parent. You potentially have most of your life to become and be a parent, just be happy being a kid while you can because you can never get that time or lack of responsibilities back!
S1: Yes, you can't force the boyfriend. You can shame him. Modern society needs more shame.
If you are a stay at home mom, and you have sandwich nights twice a week for dinner? (A stay at home to a 17 and 18 year old mind you.) you deserve to be divorced and get 0% of the marital assets. What could you POSSIBLY be doing that would make the best effort you could do, sandwiches twice a week, especially tuna only, when the other daughter hates it. This is laughable, and half of Reddit goes, “wait it’s a woman tho she must be in the right! Wow OP you sound controlling!” Yeha if only his wife could control the stove and actually cook. Lmfao. One of her few duties she has in her child level life. She does less than 4 hours of work a day, guaranteed.
S3: Weddings, funerals and Christenings! NOT the time to 'mend relationships'. Mending a relationship takes a lot more than a one-off display of tolerance for the sake of keeping the peace.
I do not understand why that one comment said they treated op "like a woman"...... like, HUH?... They treated her like she doesn't deserve to say no or have her boundaries respected. Pretty sure that's a flaw on their part. What does getting dressed for breakfast have to do with being a woman? Or going with the bf to the store? They don't respect ops autonomy. Crap family and crap bf. Op deserves better
It’s Reddit bringing sexism where it isn’t relevant
I think that's what the commenter meant. They wanted her to conform to stereotypical female norms, staying with the women, watching/playing with children, etc.
The commenter explained what they ment.. did you not listen
The cat one: NTA the mother did all the work, not the girl. Crying thag much is to much
Not to mention their "classist" ideals all while being fall-down drunk at a wedding? Really classy there. It was more like OP was civilized and it contrasted with the way they conduct themselves.
She needs to give up the child for adoption.
Story 4: NTA. Your family needs to bite it. Why doesn't OP get credit for being in an emotional situation???
Last story. ETA. It sounds like this couple hardly discussed anything before they married! Wife said she's not responsible for caring for her SD? The family will "have to get used" to tuna 2X a week? OPs response is valid, but he should get his kid into a cooking class. I don't think this marriage is going to last.
I dont get why these teen moms keep expecting a baby will lock-in a guy that doesnt want to stick around🤨 as if a baby ever kept a runner around🙄, historically we've all seen the price of my body my choice "mom path" the guys that never signed up for a baby dont stick around and only if by some miracle he's half decent you might get some child support, but the sad reality is that if you keep it youre on your own. I only feel bad for the poor kid that in most of these cases gets bounced around like unwanted luggage on reluctant relatives who feel bad for the poor child while the teen mom finally gets hit with the reality that having a baby isnt like having a doll you can just drop once you get bored or tired😞
Everyone talks like adoption is so easy... it really is not!
Last story: Tuna sandwiches for dinner? I can understand for lunch, but not for dinner. You can pep up tuna into something more substantial for dinner.
Having said that, OP has a failure to communicate issue that is escalating at the speed of sound.
To the car accident story, nta and 🤣🤣🤣 to the yta comments
9:01 wow. Judgmental family and double standards
So basically that mom just fixing tuna fir uer family is just "a few sandwiches shy of a picnic" then? Lol! 😂🤣😅
First story is perfect for faux prolifer’s……
Yeaahhhh the BF isn't coming anywhere 😑....probably going to buy milk as we speak....😒
I really don't get why these bfs who decide to get their young gfs get off the hook and their parents refuse to have their sons face the consequences of their actions. Yeah they might be horny but if they decide to do the deed they are purposefully attempting to make a baby every time they do it they can't be 😲 and they need to take responsibility. NOT RUN AWAY OR HID BEHIND MOMMY AND DADDY
There seems to be some misconceptions about whether or not the parents/grandparents can be forced to pay for the child
While ive seen it first hand (USA)
Dont take my word for it this is a quote from a lawyer
if both parents are under 18 (and unemancipated) at the time of the child’s conception, their parents (the child’s grandparents) share primary responsibility for supporting the child. This responsibility lasts until both minor unemancipated parents become age 18 or are emancipated.
Last story: she's a gold digger, he wanted a new mommy and bang maid. Now they're both shocked this toxic crap isn't working.
If it is possible i think op should see if he borrow or get one of those baby dolls that has keys for the actions a baby needs and let his daughter see if she coukd really take care of a baby
OP 1st story GD DAD👑🎯💯✊🏼
Okay hol upl. We left Thursday evening and came back yesterday. What? Do we know what day of the week that is? Monday, Tuesday yesterday, Thursday, etc
Why would the child support be around the parents salary
NTA in car story
NTA sahw story.
Last story- I ain’t saying she’s a g-. But why is she a stay home wife? It’s not like she actually takes care of the kids…
There’s no future for relationship here.
1st story. Thoose teens stopped being children when they engaged in adult activities. And just hearing the young mans parents saying they're going to protect him? Where was this protection when he was having unprotected sex. Im a mother of three boys and i taught them from a young age about responsibility and not being stupid. And getting any one pregnant was a get a job and pay child support deal, because that girl didnt impregnate herself. Note none of my boys got that stupid either.
Now That boy and his daughter dont have to marry, but he should be responsible. Be a better dad and take that boys family to court and make your daughter get a job as well. Saying you'll not help and placing the blame on your daughter makes you the butt.
Im glad your being realistic but be realistic towards the other 16 year old in this. And his dam parents
Welcome to the inevitable world of men are practical and women are emotional
The first car accident I got into was when I was 18 sobbed the whole time and I remember the cop tried to joke that I "didn't need to get dressed up to go to an accident". I kept crying.
Dramatic driver: You know, not everything needs to be said out loud. You displayed a shocking lack of class when the right thing to do would have been to continue to ignore her dramatics, just as you had done the entire time. Think whatever you want, but you did nothing to improve the situation with your remarks, so what did you hope to accomplish? I certainly hope your own lack of tact made you feel good about yourself.
Story one: we have GOT to normalize telling young mothers "You're dropping out now and getting a job to support your baby." She doesn't get to go to college; high school is a maybe. She was old enough to choose sex, she's old enough to be a mom. Same to the father, but until murder rights are taken from loose women, I can't say he should be held accountable since, well, if she gets mad she can kill his child.
You had good points, until you hocked up "murder rights". What a joke. Tell that crap to Sarah Varney.
@DrownedInExile babies are babies, Margaret Sanger. Y'know, the eugenistic who wanted to kill black babies via Planned Parenthood.
@@emilycurrent7489babies are babies
Bundles of cells aren’t
Happy Saturday!
Last story: nothing to do with the story really more to do withe the comment: just cause someone is 18 does not mean they suddenly have to start buy stuff for themselves. They could still be in school. Kids can turn 18 at the beginning of the school year. It could be summer and the daughter is getting ready to leave for college in the fall. Can we please stop using 18 as suddenly this magic number that makes someone an absolute responsible adult. Just because the government says so does not mean they are suddenly ready for a house car and full time job
Car accident story. NTA. Stop crying and grow tf up.
16:36 the food issue. I think everyone is the idiot. His strict lines, the 18 year can occasionally cook for themselves, and all the control issue the other commenters say.
Story 1 Daughter needs to exercise her reproductive rights
i don't think that's the question
Story 1: NTA and op isn’t wrong here .
Story 2: NTA and op isn’t wrong here in the slightest
Last story NTA. OP’s a boss for telling the wife to suck it. Wants a Gucci bag when she doesn’t work and passive aggressively makes Tuna twice a week? lol. The YTA commenters are misandrists for attacking him for controlling the money. It’s his damn money she wants to blow on a bag when his kid isn’t even fed properly. Get a life.
Didn't eat enough? The food was British!! Yuck 😝. 6 bites and you passed the test dear. How many dishes had pork and beans? 😂
That couple in the last story seems like they are not made for each other and even compromise on things
Story 1….. sounds like another idiot recommending sabotaging protection to win his back. (Yes referencing another story)
Story 3: NTA and go no contact op if you can .
Last story I find it ridiculous you expect your wife to cook for your 18 year old brat. Op is a controlling troll.
Nice try to the daughter can take her to court and he's going to have to force to pay child support so here's the thing you may not want to be a parent who does it mean you're going to not be able to pay child support unless you gave up your rights that's not how the world works and yes if you made that kid then you face the consequences and pay for that kid does it mean you have to be the parent it means you still have to support that kid you shouldn't have sex if you don't expect to have kids cuz no protection in the world can still fail and you can still end up being a parent but yeah you do need to pay for your kid unless you want to take away your custody rights that's the only way for you to stop paying but guess what doesn't mean that your kids not going to come find you in call you a deadbeat parent