True, but also who are you tryna please by not saying no outright? I’m a gay dude, woken up 3 times with a coworkers hand down my pants. I should’ve said NO aggressively to his face. But at the same time, he knew I wasn’t interested, so who knows. But I’m speaking from my perspective, ASSERT YOURSELF DUDE. These men ain’t Shit. If anything it weeds out the bad ones. We have to own some of this, to take our power back. Or else we have no say in the narrative. Who wants that? Edit: was different coworkers, didn’t get assaulted by the same one each time lol, promise I’m not that slow.
I remember when justin bieber was accused of sa and he went to twitter dropped all the receipts of how it was a lie and impossible to have happened and cleared his name real quick, he was not playing that shit
@@ibetonlosinghorses bro where did you get that info from? 😭 there are so many flaws in Melanie's story, and the fact she unleashed her 12 year old fans on timothy
Timothy's old tweets are disgusting def, but we shouldn't assume all victims are squeaky clean. Like Tana, nobody forgot what she did but she still didn't deserve what happened to her.
Right !! I hate when I see people bring up how Timothy's a bad person and that's proof that she wasn't SAed or as if it justifies it. Nobody deserves to be assaulted.
FR !! And her having a boyfriend IN MY OPINION is a pretty big and clear “no” Edit:also the fact that melenie has songs that are all about how “silence isn’t consent” is just disgusting
Same, I couldn’t listen to her or support her anymore after hearing about this years ago and I’ve always hoped it would be brought to light more. Not saying ‘no’ doesn’t mean ‘yes’
Back in primary school I remember I was the only one of my friends that knew of Melanie Martinez and always hoped she would become more popular that people would talk about her. Now come yrs later this is not the talk I ever expected to hear
Exactly I enjoyed listening to her and making my multiplication cards when I was in the 3rd grade. i was never someone to be a super fan. I'm in the 8th grade and I really stopped listening to her as much before this came out. But I wouldn't be surprised if Melanie did it because of how everyone has been called out which is good.
@Unknownartist-qo7ne It was the exact same with me too. I stopped listening to her and getting involved with stuff about her for a while and then this pops up. Really shows no matter how they portray themselves you never really know who they are. It's extra crazy because I think one of her songs is about SA
Never getting justice on top of being called a liar and an attention whore is retraumatizing enough. Then her abuser goes out of her way to release a song to frame her as a liar and instill more hate instead of leaving her alone...I can't imagine how invalidating this must feel. Looking back, Melanie's strategy was almost the same as Colleen Ballinger's lmao.
@@ibetonlosinghorsesplease get a life instead of hateing on a celebrity, literally no one knows who is in the wrong and who is in the right go with your life from a person who literally has never heard of crybaby.
Girl, I used to cry myself to sleep thinking I was going to be alone forever, but then i met my husband and everything clicked. I promise your person is out there, stay positive ❤
another girl, madeleine carina (melanie’s former friend and makeup artist), came forward with her own experience when no one was supporting timothy, and said that melanie pressured her relentlessly into s*xual activity, until she gave in. (which is coercion and still SA imo.) it seems that madeliene and timothy are friends now.
I haven’t listened to Melanie since the allegations came out. Despite the internet’s consensus being “Melanie would never do that, and Timothy just wants attention”, I always believed Timothy. I had an incredibly similar experience to her and I had no idea what to do about it, how to work through it, how to move forward. I blamed myself for not fighting harder. I was so scared, he was my friend. It took me years to tell anyone, including my lovely therapist, what happened because of how much I blamed myself. I don’t know exactly 100% what happened with these two and can only project my own experiences onto the situation, but in the end the discomfort I feel toward Melanie hasn’t gone away since the allegations came out.
I just wanna say I do hope you’re doing better:) but that’s exactly why people shouldn’t be defending her with their lives. Experiences like yours and Timothy’s are totally valid and should be taken seriously.
@@destinymarie5401 I am doing much better and am engaged to an amazing man who respects my boundaries like no other has ❤️ I still unfortunately deal with lasting PTSD from the event but that has lessened over time and I believe someday I will be able to fully put it behind me if I keep working to do so. Seeing the defence of Melanie made my decision to not come forward with my story feel more justified; I thought no one would believe me anyway, and they would spout the same victim-blaming sentiments toward me as they did Timothy. Since then (inspired by the me too movement) I have told many people in my life and in doing so inspired my grandmother to come forward with her story after 50 years of silence. I hope someday no one will be afraid to share their story for fear of being mocked or not believed.
The funny thing is that neither Melanie nor Timothy are creating all this drama and despair like these idiotic people on social media. If it were really serious, Taria would have been in court and Melanie would have been sentenced a long time ago. WAKE UP PEOPLE It's no wonder that Melanie simply ignores this, and Timothy only commented on this because Melanie's fans only knew how to curse, complain and provoke Timothy all the time. IT'S SO SIMPLE, URGH
Girl, I was such a big fan of Melanie but then I heard abt this and I never listened to her the same… Like I was Melanie DOWN. Whether the SA occurred or not, the response DISGUSTED me. Turned me off her with that alone. Idk how other stans can just pretend this never happened and not feel icky riding for her all the same.
Off Topic- I went to her concert and I got like a weird feeling like I wasn’t feeling the spark I thought I would feel seeing my favorite artist and then this came out um im not saying I’m a physic but that’s pretty close 💅 but I’m glad for the experience sad about this situation.😬 glad to say I learned to stop idolizing people I do not know👍
Exactly and even if Melanie is (but probably not) guilty she's still gonna get some side eying from me. And the fans made it 100x times worse. I'll never call myself a crybaby again regardless of who the "bad guy" is.
I hate the fact that I feel icky listening to the songs themselves, because they're literally songs, and I love the lyrics a lot. Trying to separate the art from the artist is so hard.
Same. Plus, her old aesthetic is kind of giving me the ick. Like her sexual baby/grade schooler girl aesthetic with a whole ass pacifier is kind of giving pedo or pedo adjacent vibes. If she was a man doing that stuff people would be grossed out fr.
@@Moonqvv2 So with Melanies statement with saying "she never said no" meaning that Timothy didn’t verbally say it, doesnt stop the fact Timothy didn't say yes either nor did she consent to Melanie's actions. The response is vile and gross as this an horrible way and doesnt provide any sort of consent from the victim and which can lead to numerous situations of how it happened, with the main thing being overall Timothy never contested to what happened. Hopefully this helps out! Im always able to try and make it more easier to be understanble and more simplier if needed. 🎀
I remember when these allegations first came out and all the Melanie fans literally was dismissing everything, actually not surprised she was able to rebrand and have success still because her fans are die hard
right, and it seems like she knows her fans will do literally anything for her and even if it was true she could and probably would get away with it anyways
The funny thing is that neither Melanie nor Timothy are creating all this drama and despair like these idiotic people on social media. If it were really serious, Taria would have been in court and Melanie would have been sentenced a long time ago. WAKE UP PEOPLE It's no wonder that Melanie simply ignores this, and Timothy only commented on this because Melanie's fans only knew how to curse, complain and provoke Timothy all the time. IT'S SO SIMPLE, URGH
There’s really no defense for the slip up and saying “she never said no to the things we chose to do together.” How did you CHOOSE TOGETHER if you never got a yes or no?
Because Timothy was the one who bought the game to begin with and if you playing a s3x game with someone then that obviously mean both of yall consent but then again we weren’t there so we don’t know what truly happened rn it’s just words against words…
@@lannamascarenhas1597no let’s not go there! it was probably like 25 cents at the thrift store they bought it at, friends joke like that maybe that’s not your sense of humor. she wanted to do funny roles like “lick my elbow” and mel was being a weirdo and didn’t gaf tim was uncomfortable with it. you’re weird.
i am SO happy this is being talked about again instead of being swept under the rug for the billionth time. not only does it become even MORE public that melanie cant grasp a good idea of consent, but that her fans will call timothy an attention-seeker for restating the allegations when shes getting more popular as if they wouldn't do the same. people are really showing their true colors. + depending on your fans (on melanies side) to build a timeline and debunk it themselves isnt really a good look, especially when it comes to SA.
@@Night.1 the fact that first she admitted something sexual happened and then after thanked her fans when they ""disproved"" the fact is really shady because if you're innocent why would you retroactively say that actually nothing sexual happened when your own statement said it did? Plus "she never said no" is a really stupid phrase, for many people freezing in fear is the natural response and that doesn't make it consensual. I also heard another woman said she felt pressured by her into doing sexual stuff?
@chxilya Hey, I totally understand! I support Timothy, and her statement as of now, because I'd like to say I supported and alleged victim instead of an alleged abuser. I'm just looking at all of the facts and coming to my own conclusion, not just listening to everyone else. My comment above was saying that people need to stop trying to disprove it with dates, because she admitted something happened.
@@Night.1 Yes, absolutely! I'm sorry if I came up as confrontational, I was trying to validate your point of view adding information :), I'm not good at making clear my intentions apparently really sorry!
@@chxilya No no! It's okay! I'm also bad at getting my point across, especially over text, so I wanted to make sure that it was clear who's side I was leaning towards.
& it's sad bc a lot of people will believe melanie over timothy because shes famous so ppl will automatically choose melanie's side, and theres a high chance melanie will not say anything about it.
Timothy admitted she lied though so I really am just so shocked people keep talking about this not every victim is telling the truth and some do tell the truth there are sick people in this world it’s not a matter of if it’s a celebrity it’s a matter of who can get the most money or fame from situations in Hollywood
I had been a huge Melanie fan for a few years now and in fact half my remixes on my channel are instrumentals from her albums. I grew a bit out of her music a few months before and I didn’t really like how she was handling her prices and talking to some of her fans so months ago I distanced myself from her and her fandom especially. A few years ago I looked at all these allegations and I admit, I HEAVILY defended her on social media because EVERYTHING I saw had evidence that Melanie was innocent, but now that everything’s resurfaced and the more stuff comes out I find a lot of it can be debunked and fake but I swear a lot of this stuff is hard to find, I can’t tell what is actually true so I have not technically taken a side yet but I stopped supporting Melanie a while before, I don’t really like Timothy either because the stuff she’s also allegedly done has rubbed me the wrong way so it sounds terrible but I’ve avoided them both. But if she actually did get SA’ed, melanies “fans” are horrendous for justifying it and also apparently have hacked her account to make her look bad??? The fandoms so fucking insufferable as someone who despite only being a fan of hers for a few years, has been deep into the fandom in the past and jeez I’d love to tell you all some stories. I feel very lost because I had looked up to Melanie in the past but there’s something I realized and to younger fans you all HAVE to realize for yourselves. Melanie is playing a character, you love her for CRYBABY and her image which at least back then is not MELANIE, you “fans” including me at one point which I’m still coming down from as if it’s a literal addiction, have a very bad parasocial relationship with her, but at one point you’re going to realize that Melanie’s another millionaire. She has said before how “she’s human like all of us” but she has like what 400 dollars for a meet and greet?? You could argue it’s for funding her movie but even if that were an excuse there’s plenty of ways someone like her could handle it. I love and have an attachment to her music because It’s been a part of my life and while I might not listen/return to it like I used to, it’s a memory forever. I love the character she plays and I know a lot have said this but it really did make me open my eyes up to certain topics and realize my own childhood trauma, I am in a different place now where I don’t necessarily rely on it but I’ll get it in my head and listen to the instrumentals/stems, but I don’t think I’ll ever stream or give her money again. But aside from having nostalgic ties/attachment to her music, I don’t care about her herself. The hold she has on her young fans and the fact that there’s more weird stuff she’s apparently done, it really sucks because even if these allegations are fake I don’t think I can ever praise her for the person she is again, we don’t know her personally either and that’s a reason we should stop celebrity worship in general, a lot of the fans harassing people online are children too and it makes me sad. I send love to to all victims out there 💗
Here’s the thing. The fact that Melanie knew SO many people were making hate accounts and bullying Timothy relentlessly and never told them to stop, and then made a diss track about Timothy as well, kinda solidifies to me that she’s a trash person. I say this as someone who has always loved her music too.
@@19Carmelita92 Yes! This!! Like I tried to stay neutral and observe at first, because I always want to believe victims, but I had also had my life recently wrecked by my best friend making false allegations, so I was painfully aware that some women really will lie about that for their own gain, unfortunately. But having that experience myself just made Melanie's follow up that much more suspicious to me after a while. She subtly enouraged the harrassment with her second statement, and I don't think she was oblivious either. If I learned that kind of thing was happening to my ex-friend and her family, even after what she did to me, I would NEVER be okay with it. I would tell my fans to back the hell off so fast! She clearly knows how her fans can get, and that calling them out is the right thing to do, because she did it for her ex, Oliver Tree not long ago. Piggyback wasn't even the only thinly-veiled diss track. She said herself that she wrote Copycat around the same time as Piggyback, while she was in a dark place. I think it's interesting that she released it shortly after Timothy tried to come back from her first two year hiatus. None of it sits right with me, and even her initial statements read like lying through omission. I wanted her to be better, but I'm not going to delude myself for a millionaire I never met just because I liked her art.
She went out of her way to compose a whole ass song to diss Heller but never tried to prove her innocence, as well as CONGRATULATING her obviously biased fans acting like online detectives to "disprove" the allegations for her. If there's someone trying to "piggy back" on the whole situation is Melanie.
The fact Melanie has made multiple songs about how SA is NOT okay, she still did this. I used to love her, I don’t listen to her as much anymore as I used to but still, she needs to practice what she preaches.
Timothy’s statement was heartbreaking… I don’t even know how to process it without being overwhelmed with just sadness (maybe I’m just too emotional for my own good). Imagine letting all that happen to your “best friend” too when you had the power to just put an end to the hate alone without even needing commenting on the allegation. That’s fr just human decency…
I was thinking the same thing, like, Melanie just let her supposed best friend get shamed off of the internet while barely even touching on the subject, likely to just protect her own image.
I think there was a point everyone kinda forgot about what Melanie did or dismissed it saying it was "debunked', I never forgot. Plus, many many victims will "take back" their accusations because of the sheer amount of hate they get or being unable to fight back against the legal attacks from the accused
Personally, I believe in growth and change. If Melanie did something, she needs to take accountability, grow up from this, and face whatever consequences that come. If Timothy is lying, she needs to seek therapy, grow up and leave her alone. If the accusations are true, we can’t turn a blind eye to it. As a Crybaby, I will always love her voice, music, and aesthetic but she seriously needs to take accountability if it’s true. I also don’t support any fans calling Timothy horrible names, doxxing her, or hacking her account. Melanie’s brand taught us to be loving, empathetic, understanding, and respectful, not spreading hateful rhetoric and violence. If it is true, I hope that she apologizes, takes a step back from the spotlight, gets therapy and moves on to becoming a better person. Others might not agree with me and that’s completely valid and understandable as a person who has been SA’d before and maybe I’m just too nice and forgiving. Timothy deserves better than this and so do we as fans of creators EDIT: One more thing to add. To the toxic Crybabies, who still like the music and art, stop invalidating other’s feelings about what happened to them. You weren’t there, I wasn’t there, no matter how much you love Melanie, you didn’t see what happened. To the toxic Timothy fans, stop being hypocrites and spreading hate and 🍇 threats to people who either still support Melanie or are staying neutral on the topic. To toxic creeps, stop saying that you’d gladly accept being 🍇-ed by Melanie (yes that is something I keep hearing). You don’t know what it’s like to be in that vulnerable position where you’re being violated by someone who you thought you could trust and love. Stop it. It’s gross and disgusting and you need to seek therapy.
Thiss omg you’re one of the few melanie fans who’s opinion I actually agree/resonate with. I personally am choosing to separate the art from the artist and listen to melanie on platforms that don’t give her support, as I still like her music. I was never one for putting any celebrity/artist/whatever on a a pedestal of them being a pure angel who can never do anything wrong , because realistically we truly don’t know what anyone is like behind closed doors. And also can I just say, melanie defenders who comment stuff like “anyways stream portals” etc on timothy’s video is so incredibly rude. I understand liking her music (speaking as a fan since 2016 btw) but idolizing irl people to THAT extent, in general isn’t (and never will be) okay
@@veronicaenoshima403 Exactly, if Melanie did do something wrong, she definitely needs to take accountability. Like I said, I definitely believe people grow and change and who knows what state of mind they were in all those years ago. Even so, if Melanie is in the wrong, she should say something about it. I love her music and who she is as a person to speak up for important issues like Palestine, but still doesn’t exempt her from this.
@@leilag6230 idk how long it’s going to take Melanie to speak out idk if it’s her team or something but she would’ve literally said something by now ain’t no way she isn’t on social media at this exact moment
Also Melanie’s songs being about mental health, SA etc. is just gross… How can you advocate so much for feminism, MeToo and LGBTQ+ and then say “Well, she didn’t say no”. 🤢🤮
Plus she releases songs that are about trauma she doesn't have, she had a happy childhood and yet her first song was dollhouse (I myself grew up with parents in a very toxic marriage and had a really sad childhood.
@@littlewolfy27Even if its trauma that she didnt have, many artists do that (cheating, losing someone they havent, etc). It gives someone something to go and relate to. I dont see a problem with it is shes being respectful.
“Believe the victim first” that’s not a ok mindset to have with no solid proof. Like I could js go on tt and say “Oh ehm gee!1!1 Taylor swift 🍇 meee!!” Without any proof .. and seeing you , you would probably believe that in a flash
There’s no place for “I’m staying neutral” anymore, this has been going on for years with a whole fandom attacking one girl, making up stories about her, pretending to be her and apologise for “lying” At this point, with just a bit of research you can see that Melanie Martinez has been a shady person since the begging of her career. It really is such a shame that so many people forget about their morals for someone who would never care about them, someone they never even met. You can actively see her fans on just about any platform screaming “I’m still gonna listen to her” “She would never do this” I can only imagine how this affects the alleged victim\s and other sa survivors
I’m staying neutral and I’m saying this as a victim of SA… I’ve been following the whole situation since it happened and ends up NONE of it is clear even to this day. Timothy Heller needs to take serious legal action and not just express her side on the internet.
@@aquaaria3489 whats the history sa victims have been having with the law? especially starting a case against a millionaire, and after it happened years ago. And like I said, we’ve been seeing Melanie Martinez become more and more of an a$$, I think sometimes “staying neutral” can come up as a bit ignorant
THANK YOU I’ve been talking about this for YEARS. Any time I told diehard fans of hers about it, they wouldn’t even bother to listen. I really hope more people cover this because it needs to be heard. Just because it’s two woman doesn’t mean it’s not sexual assault. Just because they were very close before does not mean it’s not sexual assault. Just because she didn’t say ‘no’ does not mean it wasn’t sexual assault. I’ve hardly seen any TH-camrs talk about these allegations expect for EdwinsGeneration around the time they originally happened, and I was a fan of Melanie at the time but stopped supporting her or listening to her pretty soon after it just felt wrong. The story resonated with me a lot because at the time I had been SA’d not long before and had a few people say similar things to me that “it wasn’t SA because I didn’t say no. because I was close with the person, because I didn’t realize right away that it was SA so it couldn’t actually be that”, the things it seemed Melanie’s fans that knew about this were saying about Timothy at the time. The fact that no one would take this seriously has always been something that’s pissed me off. Her fans will die on her side of the hill because they don’t want to see that their fave could be problematic.
Glad this is coming back to life, it always felt weird how everyone dismissed this and forgot abt it. And when I bring it up I would get jumped my Melanie fans screaming “there’s no proof”…
Real, I was in the same boat :/ 14, no social media of my own, and hearing all the details through the grapevine of my friends who did have social media. When they told me that everything had been “debunked” and showed me that fake insta story screenshot, I believed that Melanie was innocent. I’m glad that I’m older now and can see this situation through a more matured lens
When the allegations came out, I was 13. I didn't like Timothy and refused to read her claims. Instead, I decided to shame her and left mean comments on her TH-cam videos. Now that I'm older, I choose to stay neutral. However, I don't support harassing Timothy. I am open to hearing what she has to say. It's important for people to have outlets and safe spaces when sharing their experiences. 💗
Normally I’m the type of person to hear both sides before officially believing someone, but the “she never said no” response says a lot. I definitely believe Timothy here in this situation.
It’s very strange to me how the “she never said no” response is the main thing people focus on when it was a direct response to Timothy saying in her statement that’s she “kept saying no”. I’ve looked at Melanie differently ever since and I don’t think what she said was ok by any means but the way this statement has been taken out of context is extremely Bizarre.
It could be that most people didn't put together the fact that the response was made when Timothy alleged that she told Melanie no numerous times. Most probably thought the Melanie's response is one that is out of context.
@@yoursweetestdream1770 Yeah that makes sense. It’s just so bizarre to be so aggressive about something and be misinformed while attacking someone else about misinformation. That’s kind of been the convos I’ve seen on both sides.
Yeah, it sounds like a response to Timothy's post. If you think about it, her sending her "light and love" at the end is worse because how you gonna respond to a sa allegation from a close friend like that? Her post sounds more like responding to someone jealous accusing her of copying and stealing.
@@evasdorling7555 Yeah I don’t think she handled that well AT ALL. She was 22 at the time so idk if that’s why?? But in all honesty idk what she could’ve said to make people believe her. Like there’s absolutely nothing that could’ve made me think she was completely innocent. It’s just one of those things that you can’t move past without valid evidence.
OMG thank you!!! the channels I've seen covering this are mostly fans of Melanie. They always try to make excuses for her and then move on like nothing happened, so I'm glad you're talking about it, both times it felt like they swept it under the rug.
as a long-time fan of melanie’s music & style - MAD RESPECT TO YOU FOR ADDRESSING THIS !!! it’s such a shame how her fans refuse to acknowledge this :( I remember hearing about this case in middle school but i never really knew the details, as an adult now learning more I cant see Melanie Martinez the same way at all. I’m heartbroken for Timothy Heller Regardless of where you even stand there’s no justification for the amount of harassment she’s gotten for this. Hoping Timothy Heller is doing well these days 🤍
@@aura9773 yeah Timothy got harassed for speaking out with Is very immature I love Melanie’s music I’m neutral in this situation as if right now but the way us Melanie fans are acting is immature same thing for Timothy supporters I just hope we hear Melanie sides so then we can piece together this situation (I will gladly not support Melanie anymore if it’s true)
i’ve been a fan of melanie for almost 10 years at this point, and i remember only hearing about these allegations like two years ago? at the time i was shocked by what melanie had been accused of but i saw many people say that timothy admitted to lying for attention & seeing “proof” of her doing so - and i shouldn’t have just brushed it off like that now that i look back on it :/ i stopped listening to melanie all together ever since these allegations came up because i can’t listen to her the same after what timothy talked about in her video. i’m an s/a victim myself and i genuinely cannot imagine opening up about my experience only to be bombarded by hate and having to turn away from the internet. i shouldn’t have brushed off the allegations when i first heard them & i’ve loved melanie’s music but it’s a huge letdown that she hasn’t addressed this at all recently + her initial response too
okay so here’s my opinion on the entire thing: both of them are telling the truth. in some situations the truth can be subjective, and i believe this is one of those cases. melanie might not believe it was SA, but that doesn’t negate the fact that timothy perceived it as a traumatic experience. both of their truths can exist simultaneously. also let’s not forget that it has been confirmed they did have sexual relations. i think melanie should have handled this way better and acknowledged timothy’s feelings instead of trying to invalidate/discredit her. those are my two cents.
I love that you feel like you are chatting with a friend when you make these videos bc that's how I feel watching them, like fr I'm having breakfast and listening to the new gossip/news (whether it's something light or a serious topic like this one).
the thing is, i sympathize and support Timothy as a VICTIM. so many people use the fact that she's made shitty choices and decisions to try and excuse the fact that they are potentially discrediting a victim's experience. I was SA'd a month ago. I came out about my truth but the girlfriend of the guy who assaulted me took his side and called me a liar. it's not as severe as Timothy's slander / harassment, but it definitely reminded me that I understand what it's like to be called a liar for coming out about my experience. unfortunately, that wasn't the first time that I was accused of being a liar.
I literally was a huge fan of them both, I was big fan of Dresses the duo she (Timothy) was a part of in 2014. When this came out it devastated me and I still stream Dresses and Timothy's own music. It's true and has happened to others in Melanie's circle too.
Keisha 5:10 you are perfectly right in thinking that the choice of words “she didn’t say no” is completely wrong. As a multiple SA victim myself. The victim doesn’t HAVE to say the words “no”. In my experience the first time I don’t actually recall saying “no”. I recall just freezing not being able to say anything anymore. the second encounter it was more vocabulary like “stop” and “please” more so pleading with the person. And I have also done lots of reading and a victims body language, state of mind and other factors can come into play when a person does not want to do something. And again in my experience (not from SA) but being victim I can see some flaws with people mindsets. And most people still believe that if a person doesn’t say the exact word “no” then it doesn’t classify it as SA. and I for one and OVER IT. So yeah Keisha you are completely correct in thinking that those choice of words are a little suspicious and they could have worded it like “she was willing to” “she didn’t show any signs” “she made it clear to me”
Neutral on this. Not happy with the way it's being handled. - "She never said no [...]" but did she say yes? If you're asking Melanie, yes. She claims she would "never be intimate with someone without their absolute consent", and that they "chose to do [this] together." That quote directly addresses Timothy's claim that she "said no multiple times" and it only sounds bad without the context of Timothy's statement. Although this implies a verbal "no", Timothy's own statement might even contradict her claim, saying she was silent, or that she said no in multiple WAYS, e.g. excuses or body language. If that is true and Timothy never said no verbally, Melanie could have missed the body language entirely, and read the excuses as a "not now" rather than a "no" on the previous couple nights. Obviously this doesn't mean Timothy consented but it's clear Melanie was under that impression. They were also both high which would make logical thinking harder in that situation. If you're asking Timothy if she said yes... maybe. it's not specified because the question is not about whether she consented initially, it's about whether she revoked it. - "But why didn't Melanie just say 'she said yes'"? Because that's irrelevant. If she doesn't dispute the claim that timothy "said no multiple times" then having a "yes" doesn't matter because consent can be revoked. "CHOSE to do together" already implies initial consent. - "Timothy was exposed for lying" Not exactly. She never admitted to lying, the screenshot of her saying that is fake. - "Melanie admitted to it" Also no. She acknowledged that something happened between them but she claims (and obviously believes) everything was consensual. - "Timothy lied about the date" As irresponsible it might've been to include a date when it wasn't confirmed, and it wasn't necessary for the accusation, this doesn't make her a liar. They WERE intimate with each other, the question is about consent. - "I believe Timothy because why would she lie about something like this?" I understand this sentiment, but there are better reasons to believe Timothy. This comment feels like it turns a blind eye to most false accusations. The two stopped being friends, for one, and there are screenshots of Timothy commenting on Melanie's fame. People use the statistic that a very small proportion of SA allegations turn out to be false - but we miss that this is a statistic on REPORTED SA. Timothy is not a part of that percentage because she did not report it. A much larger proportion of false accusations ruin lives because they spread in communities despite never being reported. - "Why would Timothy come back if she was lying" or "Why is she bringing it up again" Her coming back doesn't prove anything because she didn't feed the situation. She just gave an update on her life and talked about the harassment she faced. This situation was exposed in 2017, happened in 2015 when Melanie was 19 and Timothy was 22. Arguably the harassment would have gotten worse if she didn't stick with her story so it doesn't prove how truthful she is. - "Timothy should have taken this to court/police" Many other comments explain why she wouldn't have done this. She doesn't have evidence, that's one thing, but also she might not have wanted to do that to Melanie at the time. - "Melanie is being silent" This did happen in 2017 and she did make a response, although it wss obviously muffled and a bit poorly worded, but this isn't news. She's not obligated to respond again to an audience that wasn't involved, although I would personally like to see her clear up what she meant in her statement. Not because I don't know what she meant, it's just not obvious to everyone. - "Melanie is a 🍇ist" honestly even in the worst case scenario we can't say this. It's so clear that she thought the intimacy was mutual, given what I said about: - giving excuses, which might read as a "not yet" or "not now" and not necessarily as a "no". - they already had an intimate relationship - the sex game - weed all of this muddying the waters a little. She did not force Timothy into anything and the reasons above also lead me to believe it was not coercion either. You could call this SA but 🍇 is a stretch. - "I'll support her even if she's proven to be a 🍇ist" "She would never" etc. Obviously mostly kids saying this because that's messed up. If you MUST listen to a proven 🍇ist then please do it indirectly in a way that doesn't financially support them. Also, you are the audience, don't pretend you know your idols. - "Timothy's statement sounds like what happened to me which is why I believe her." Pretty much exactly the same thing happened to me, and as much as I was angry at myself for not revoking consent, I don't blame my ex because he was obviously convinced I was consenting. I never showed discomfort and I agreed pretty enthusiastically. I don't think victims have to be BLAMED to acknowledge that miscommunication leads to uncomfortable situations. I don't blame myself anymore, nor do I blame him. We both know better now. To me it seems like Melanie and Timothy viewed that night differently and never knew of the others view until the allegations came out. - "Always believe victims" It's "always listen to victims". You are absolutely allowed to be neutral in situations like this where nobody knows what happened but the two of them. Support the victim, but don't go spreading accusations with no weight to them like they're fact. I will not "support" Timothy because she's a bit of a terrible person, reasons unrelated to this situation, but I do sympathise with her. Even if she was lying about what happened, I wouldn't block out whatever she has to say. - "Timothy stuck with her story and there are inconsistencies in Melanie's story" Timothy definitely didn't stick with a singular story. Inconsistencies are to be expected anyway from a victim as that is a trauma response, but Timothy does miss some details that change the nature of that night completely in her original statement. If you see her interviews after reading her statement they don't quite align. - "But Melanie took back what she said" Melanie thanking her fans for pointing out inconsistencies is not her denying anything happened, just being thankful they're not blindly believing a story that was inaccurate. Especially since parts of it were straight up wrong, and other parts of it misconstrued Melanie's intentions. False accusations are very serious. - "Piggyback was a disstrack" Response, vent, whatever it was, it was not a disstrack. It's weird to call it that. - "Timothy accused other celebrities of SA" not that I know of, she just said things that didn't quite go down well with them, although i have heard she accused someone else who wasn't a celebrity. - "Victims aren't perfect, the things she did don't mean she couldn't have gotten SA'd" This is 100% true. That being said, I think it's often being used in response to people who question her reliability, because if someone has a history of lying, that has to be taken into consideration. If you've seen Timothy's twitter and tiktok, you can form your own opinion, but the way she talks about the situation feels off to a lot of people. BUT we should always still listen to victims and look into their stories. Known liars could be telling the truth (an unfortunate boy who cried wolf situation) and seemingly honest people can lie, even unintentionally if they are influenced to do so. The idea is to hold the 🍇ist accountable and keep the victim safe, and help them heal. Remind victims it's not their fault. Hell, even if you're like me and being a doormat gets you where you are now. It's still not the victim's fault. There's a lot more but I'll have to add to this later. HARASSMENT AND DOXXING ARE NOT HOW WE DEAL WITH THIS.
@@Dave102693 The thought of going to the police to report SA is already scary, but going on the internet to accuse your abuser with little to no evidence and no prospect of eventually reporting them to the police is just unthinkable. Legal actions need to be taken. We shouldn’t scare off victims with this way of thinking. And this is not just a matter of seeking justice, but also a way to let all people know that THEY ARE a criminal.
@@Dave102693oh, this is completely true and I’m taking it into consideration, however at this point it is needed (not that it wasn’t before), yk? Even more considering that people have been threatening her life ever since she posted it online. There’s also a power dynamic going on in this situation but maybe it could be a way of protection since all these aspects of her life are already being affected in the worst way possible by Martinez’s fans. Having said that, it is important to encourage people to seek justice against any abuse they go through, it’s a way of fighting against it. I’m not taking a side when I say this, though. I can totally see where you’re coming from and the system is rlly fucked up but in this case she’s already struggling and the fact that she is going through all this shit and not trying to protect herself other than talking abt it on the internet is shady to say the least. I’m also pointing out that Melanie’s lack of action is also extremely suspicious and can be an indication of what is going on bc if it wasn’t true they could have easily taken legal action against Heller.
I like Melanies Music and I really didn't believe Timothy before when I was younger, but assuming her story is true, I just feel so bad for her. Melanie has definitely contradicted herself and I think she should, but probably won't, make a public statement about this.
i’m so glad u did this. i used to be a huge Melanie fan she was my idol. I related to her music and honestly reading timothy hellers original tweet was really triggering to a situation that happened w me. so i decided officially not to listen to her anymore which was really hard since she played a huge part in my elementary, middle and high school
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y'all can attack me for this, idgaf. all of this is coming from a former fan of melanie martinez. it's always "she got the dates wrong!!" melanie quite literally said that it happened herself. "she's a bad person!!" that doesn't matter at all. the majority of the things she supposedly did were made up by melanie fans and even if they were true, it doesn't mean she wasn't sexually assaulted. "sarah morgan exposed her!!" she isn't even a real person. "she dressed up as melanie!!" many victims stay friends with their abusers after it happens. some even stay dating or are forced to live with them. timothy explained that she was still friends with melanie at the time and was on tour with her when the pictures were taken. (update: i found out that those pictures were taken before the allegations even came out.) "she promoted her music after making the accusations!!" she released her song months before. "she didn't go to the police or court!!" what would the police be able to do without evidence? the legal system treats sexual assault cases horribly, especially when it's women on women. most sa cases don't have any evidence. and if timothy really is lying, why hasn't melanie sued her for defamation? "timothy bought the game!!" yeah, as a joke. she never consented to having actual sex. "melanie was in the handcuffs!!" ever heard of this thing that happens in games called taking turns? "melanie made songs about how rape is bad!!" hypocrisy is a thing that exists. "she's only speaking up now that melanie is more popular!!" no, she's speaking up now because she was ran off the internet. even if that were the case, why shouldn't she? her story deserves more recognition and support. not to mention there's this globelamp person who wasn't even actually friends with timothy and is an abuser herself. several friends of mine were sexually assaulted, you gonna tell them that they're lying too? they can't remember the dates or when it happened so i guess that means they're clearly lying. you're all just a bunch of victim blamers. it's very common for people who have been traumatized to not remember dates. and what about madeleine carina? y'all love to forget that she exists and that she was also sa'd. and before you bring up the whole "she said it was consensual!!" thing: if you have to be begged over and over again while you're intoxicated until you finally give in to having sex, then it's not consent, it's coercion, which is still a form of sexual assault. melanie also never even bothered to address what she said. another thing: why would timothy come back after years of harassment, being doxxed and getting sent death threats if all she wanted was "attention"? why would she put herself through all of that again if that were the case? she isn't gaining any "fame" from this, she's just receiving the same thing she did 7 years ago: being harassed by melanie's fanbase and getting called a "liar". everyone also just loves to ignore the fact that melanie changed her story. first she said that she did something with timothy and then backtracked on it when she thanked her fans for pointing out her "false" statements. did it happen or not? melanie's first statement is also horrendous. "she never said no" is abuser language. the full sentence does not matter because it doesn't change anything. if it isn't a definitive and enthusiastic yes, then it's a no, period. it's always "believe the victim!!" until it's timothy and madeleine.
Also it’s easy for people to get the dates wrong if they’ve been traumatized. The people using that as a way to call her a liar obviously have never gone through something like that. I’ll never understand why people judge what others do in a situation they’ve never been in.
This is the 3rd time these allegations have cropped up. I love Melanie's music a lot, but man... 🙁 The way the fans covered it up day one has always irked me. I hope Timothy is well after all these years.
Has Timothy ever addressed the fact that she dressed up as her abuser for Halloween after the SA took place? She also remained friends with Melanie within the 2 years she stayed quiet about it which is also a bit weird considering she said that Melanie wanted to end their friendship and did but when she was asked if they were still friends before she put out the SA story she said yes. I really wanna believe Timothy cause I'm an SA survivor myself and see myself in this story but there's too many wholes in it.
When you read her whole post she said about she said something about how she didn’t believe it was r@pe at first because Mel was her friend and they were both girls and how it took her time to realize that it was r@pe and Timothy said that after the sa Mel and her stayed friends for while but then Mel texted her that she (Mel) had to cut people out in her life. So they could have stayed friends for about two years after the sa until Mel texted Timothy that and a little while after that Timothy came out saying Mel saed her. I’ve done hours of research on this and the timeline kind of makes since once you put some pieces together
melanie doesn't relate to her songs. she had said once that she had a good childhood in an interview i think, the songs are about crybaby which is just a character not her. edit: she actually relates to crybaby (the song) cause people used to make fun of her as a kid for being very sensitive and her teeth gap
Actually, there are a couple songs that Melanie relates to. She said in an interview that she was bullied as a child for being very sensitive, so the song Crybaby is one of them.
as a ‘I used to listen to mel 24/7 for the past few years’ Melanie fan it is fucking CRAZY. how Melanie’s fans are acting with this situation. Like you’d think they’d act respectful because of the topics that Melanie writes about (at least that’s what I thought when this came back), right? Why tf are they acting like their pookie wookie bear wouldn’t do such a thing ?? I get it, I was 13 once as well, but being a fan; That is not your place to get in between and fight for Melanie. In the nicest way possible (maybe), she needs to get her shit together and give us more than what she’s already given to clear her own name. It is truely disappointing that she needs everyone else to harass the alleged victim, and using the engagement to boost herself while she acts as if this isn’t even happening.
I think one of the main issues is the fact that most of her fan base right now are kids/young teens, most of them being no older than 15. A lot of them are too young to fully understand how serious of a situation this is, and are too gullible to realize a lot of the “proof” of Melanie being innocent is the exact same fake screenshot bs
For the outfits and crybaby album im pretty sure her albums is a girl growing up and the crybaby album is talking about childhood trauma k-12 is like school i thibk idrk the lore
at first I sided with Melanie because of all the holes in Timothy's story. but years later, I'm starting to question my stance for many reasons. My main reason is the fact that Melanie let her *FANS* do the detective work and applauded them for picking apart Tim's story instead of making an actual statement. I was really hoping this time around that we would get more than a poorly worded tweet and a diss track. she has yet to say *anything* and that right there is why I'm starting to question everything. like...wouldn't she at least want to clear her name? she won't even really give her side of the story an is *blatantly* ignoring her fans asking her to speak out but remains active on her instagram stories...there's no way she aint seeing the comments and turned the option to send her a direct message through stories...she ain't saying *ANYTHING* which to me says everything...I'm disappointed. Her overpriced perfumes and merch and hiding behind her teen fanbase ain't gonna work forever. as a survivor myself, and also someone with BPD like Timothy, I'm hurt. sure *we* as her fans aren't "owed" anything but...we made her famous. at the very least, she should make this a legal issue if she's telling the truth. Honestly both of them should considering how serious this is. Tim made this an internet issue, so I would think going to the police would be nothing compared to what she's gotten online. so if She's telling the truth, she should have Melanie imprisoned or at least fined and if Melanie is telling the truth, she should sue for deformation of character. this shouldn't be an internet issue, it should be a *LEGAL ONE*
THIS!! Also about the last part, I kinda understand why she didn’t go to the police. Timothy said she stayed friends with Melanie a little while after that, because it probably took her a long time to process what happened to her. Not to mention the fact it happened years ago so it would be impossible to get physical evidence of it now. Don’t forget the fact that Melanie is a millionaire and has way more resources than Timothy.
i’ve been watching this unfold for sooo many years being a melanie fan since i was like 11, then finding out about the allegations when i was 13, and then being told they were fake and timothy lied, and then just last year when i was 18 finding out that the post of timothy saying it’s a lie was not real and oh my god my head is spinning. i can’t deny i still listen to and love melanie’s music but i just can’t support her and that rly sucks as such a longtime fan. the whole situation is so disappointing i’m not gonna say i’m never listening to her again, because her music has meant sm to me for so long but i now know that i believe timothy 100%. and i will not be as easily swayed to believe melanie as i was when i was 13.
melanie’s defense first was “something did happen but she didn’t say no” and then “nothing happened, we weren’t even together at the time” after her fans began trying to piece a timeline after timothy gave the incorrect date (which is incredibly common for victims as the period of time is blurry as fuck, ask me when i was sa’d and i can tell you everything about what happened except the date because everything outside of the event is a mess and feels like a fever dream). to me, the fact that timothy’s story has been the same and that only melanie’s side has changed is enough to cast suspicion onto melanie for me.
I'm not going to side with any of them, mostly because there is no evidence from any of them proving their version of the story, and there is no lawsuit or report. But hacking or doxing someone is really too much.
The whole crybaby era initiated when she was like18-19 so it actually made sense back then but she kinda got stuck in that as a musician bc thats what she was most known for
i really liked melanie but her silence is giving guilt. i dont understand either why melanie is choosing to not speak about it, it’s like she wants it all to blow over which is very suspicious
I think it's important to keep a level of skepticism with all things, cause like Timothy has used r@p3 imagery in her art on Tumblr and has a racist past and Melanie is POC, BUT victims should always be believed because like you said 2 things can be true at once. I'm saying this and playing both sides because at the end of the day this is an issue with stan culture. Melanie's fan base is infamously toxic. Celebrities shouldn't be idolized, at the end of the day they're people
After hearing all the shit Timmy went through I couldn't handle listening or even seeing her music without thinking about the horrible shit she and her fans did. I know ppl say "Separate the art from the artist" but it's hard when you've listened to the artist for sooo many years and you find out their a bad person
Yes if people like the actual music I recommend listening to instrumentals or concept songs thats inspiration from it because neither have her actually on it
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Ive grown up a lot in the past 7 years. I believe timothy. I think what happened was melanie coerced her into sex based on all the statements. I feel awful for timothy. I do think some of her early statements were untrue, whether intentional or not, but it is easy to get dates wrong when you've been traumatized. I don't think melanie's intention was SA. I don’t think she was aware that she was coercing Timothy and I think she truly believes there was consent. But i wish she would speak out about the situation, take the mature route, and apologize to Timothy. Her statement was absolutely atrocious and needs to be amended. K-12 is an important album to me, it got me through some tough times, but I'm no longer delusional enough to back her with my full support. I haven't listened to anything past k-12 and hardly listen to her anymore. I hope that someday Melanie will apologize.
All that said I do still think Timothy's account of the sex game is strange. It was a dice game meaning it was up to chance what the dice rolled so there is no way to just do funny rolls or serious rolls because what you roll is random.
It's upto you to find out ...ut requires wisdom plus responsibility to find out.If you genuinely care about humanity and don't want to become sheep like others.This world is like this .. its disgusting and horrendous too ...
same !! both sides aren't making sense at all, and then nobody is providing actual evidence. Melanie states that they both agreed on what they both CHOOSE to do together, and then apparently, they were under the influence when it happened? (this is NOT me defending Melanie btw, even if you're under the influence that does not give you the right nor the excuse of being a creep) And then, she went on TIkTok years later to talk about it again instead of just privately suing Melanie or something. Nobody is making an actual statement, and then this was just so random and out of the blue. Why talk about this now ? Why bring it to public now ? If Melanie did indeed do the allegations being accused, then hell yeah Melanie should be held accountable and suffer the consequences of being a creep. Just a weird situation. is was just so random and out of the blue.
@@mel-ou3ys tbh I get why people think that Melanie would never but tbh it can still happen honestly we shouldn’t be trying to take matters into our own hands because it’s making everything worse these type of things should be resolved behind closed doors
I have a bias towards Melanie, so I'm keeping my mouth SHUT because I don't want my bias to get in the way of justice. But overall, I'll claim neutrality since I'm not exactly following the situation.
@@mel-ou3ys And it's odd how it keeps getting brought up yet i dont think anything has been done about it yet, which it NEEDS to, because if not people will continue to believe melanie is a rapist.
I'm so tired of people going around and calling this allegation as a fact that it's true. If ppl really want a response from Melanie they should boycott her and not associate with anything to do with her until her pockets are empty and she has no other choice but to come out and speak on this bc a rapist shouldn't be praised
I believe victims. I believe Timothy. I find it disturbing that the internet fully supports “believe victims” but that falls flat when the alleged perpetrator is a woman. Also, your fav doesn’t know you exist. Why is publicly defending them more important than accepting that your fav may be an awful person? Timothy had nothing to gain then and has nothing to gain now.
NOOOOOO STOPPPPP WHY (I heard it b4 but it still shocks me) I literally looked up to her bro and now she’s on the 2024 bingo card of weirdos. I’m so disappointed
Don’t let sweet voices fool you. I recently found out a sweet girl from school got arrested for sex with a minor under 13 soooo yea . She was one of the nicest ppl in school
I feel like Melanie knows what she did wrong. She's just ignoring it because she doesn't NEED to acknowledge the situation.She still has a huge fandom, she will still be rich, she doesn't loose anything from this besides loosing some sane people who used to be her fans. I think any person who gets falsely accused try their absolute hardest to prove their innocence but Melanie literally seems like she doesn't care because she's still living it up.
She only ignored it after making 2 responses and a song. Let's make some things clear, for 7 years Tim has lied about the dates. Proof on my channel Tim knew the right dates the whole time. Second. Mel clearly communicated she wanted to have seggs. Tim bought them a seggs game. Tim told us she said no for 2 nights straight and made it clear she was uncomfortable. How? When Tim saw the game, tim pointed it out and said they should get it. Then went back to mels house and performed love actions on her. Idk about you, but I'd take that as clear communication she IS interested.
If this gets taken down imma be pissed cause I been known about allegations against her since 2018 and everyone ignored it and spread rumors that Timothy was proven to be a liar
This story been around for a while now and i still don't have much of an opinion on the situation. I was once interested in the situation but with so many loop holes on what even happen- it's confusing. I like Melanie's music, I am a fan but I never put my head on a block for any celebrity & neither should anyone else🙅🏾♀️! We DON'T know these people personally, we just know their craft/talent. We also weren't there so we can never be too sure about what actually happen or didn't happen! For Timothy's well being & Melanie's integrity, I really hope that this did not happen🙁.
This is so old, I remember that when I used to listen to her music people were making fun of Timothy and accusing her of copying Melanie (their styles were pretty similar so anything Timothy wore similar to Melanie's they would say she's copying and trying to be Melanie 😭😭 like pls just get a life). I swear fandoms are cults full of brainless zombies.
The thing about Mel that really bothers me aside from these allegations is that she never was abused in childhood and yet found a way to capitalize on these aspects of trauma she never experienced. As someone who actually was heavily abused in childhood I find it insulting and disrespectful. So when you said that she’s writing from her experience, I wanna inform you that no, she was not. She was playing a character. She grew up with loving parents. She’s never been through a lot of what she’s claimed to have been through.
Just FYI, she can’t be criminally accused of lying unless she went to the police to report AND they had evidence she made it up. Which almost never happens because with SA there usually is not evidence anyway
@@teddi3246 yeah for sure! but that’s not criminal Justice system doing it that’s Melanie herself. She said something about false accusations being prosecuted and I just wanted to clarify that probably wouldn’t happen. Suing is different
The way Melanie has a song with the themes of victim blaming/assault only for her (she thanked her fans who “”debunked”” the allegations) and her fans to do victim blame not just Timothy but her second victim Madeleine Carina.
Not to be that person but I'm so glad this issue has been brought back to light because I've hated Melanie (over this issue) for ages and I never said shit because I've seen her crazy fans doxx people over it💀
Fr. Like Melanie’s fans literally sent death threats and gore images to Brad Taste in Music and his fiancée when they spoke of their support of Timothy. Say what you will about Brad now, but it is absolutely disgusting to send horrible things to people because they choose to support someone that you don’t.
Yeah honestly coming from a Melanie fan it’s very immature to do that shit someone said they didn’t care about the allegations and said “she can rape me next idc” 🫤
I feel like what people need to understand is just because someone doesn’t say no doesn’t mean it’s an automatic yes
THIS
Yes consent is more than yes and no
If it’s not a yes then it might as well be a no, honestly. Idk why consent is so confusing to some ppl
True, but also who are you tryna please by not saying no outright? I’m a gay dude, woken up 3 times with a coworkers hand down my pants. I should’ve said NO aggressively to his face.
But at the same time, he knew I wasn’t interested, so who knows. But I’m speaking from my perspective, ASSERT YOURSELF DUDE. These men ain’t Shit. If anything it weeds out the bad ones. We have to own some of this, to take our power back. Or else we have no say in the narrative. Who wants that?
Edit: was different coworkers, didn’t get assaulted by the same one each time lol, promise I’m not that slow.
@@ll1444catI’ve always said if it’s not an ENTHUSIASTIC YES it’s a no.
I remember when justin bieber was accused of sa and he went to twitter dropped all the receipts of how it was a lie and impossible to have happened and cleared his name real quick, he was not playing that shit
the fact that melanie didn’t even try to prove her "innocence" and just said "she never said no to what we chose to do together" says a lot
@@ibetonlosinghorses and then said it never happened because fans said it couldn't?? like dafuq
nah but timothy was just lying for attention obviously /s
Damn he’s a real one for dropping the receipts.
@@ibetonlosinghorses bro where did you get that info from? 😭 there are so many flaws in Melanie's story, and the fact she unleashed her 12 year old fans on timothy
Timothy's old tweets are disgusting def, but we shouldn't assume all victims are squeaky clean. Like Tana, nobody forgot what she did but she still didn't deserve what happened to her.
Right !! I hate when I see people bring up how Timothy's a bad person and that's proof that she wasn't SAed or as if it justifies it. Nobody deserves to be assaulted.
Oh definitely, sexual trauma can definitely cause things like hypersexuality
I’m just gonna go ahead and say that this particular allegation holds zero weight in my mind. I’m not worried about it, personally.
@TheReluctantVlogger well good for you, nobody asked though
Wait what did Tana do?
“she never said no to what we chose to do together” has always rubbed me the wrong way. stopped listening to her years ago when this first happened
RIGHT!!! Could not listen to her the same!!
FR !! And her having a boyfriend IN MY OPINION is a pretty big and clear “no”
Edit:also the fact that melenie has songs that are all about how “silence isn’t consent” is just disgusting
her fans do anything to defend it too 💀
Same, I couldn’t listen to her or support her anymore after hearing about this years ago and I’ve always hoped it would be brought to light more. Not saying ‘no’ doesn’t mean ‘yes’
THIS!
I just realized- what PR is letting their artist put out “she never said no” 😭😭😭
it was 2017…
😭😭😭
exactly, it wasnt pr its a genuine apology and she slipped up her words but meant it when she said she had complete consent.
@gallantmaxxing She never apologized she just denied what Timothy said
@@gallantmaxxingshe didn’t apologize she just denied everything 😭?
Back in primary school I remember I was the only one of my friends that knew of Melanie Martinez and always hoped she would become more popular that people would talk about her. Now come yrs later this is not the talk I ever expected to hear
Exactly I enjoyed listening to her and making my multiplication cards when I was in the 3rd grade. i was never someone to be a super fan. I'm in the 8th grade and I really stopped listening to her as much before this came out. But I wouldn't be surprised if Melanie did it because of how everyone has been called out which is good.
@Unknownartist-qo7ne It was the exact same with me too. I stopped listening to her and getting involved with stuff about her for a while and then this pops up. Really shows no matter how they portray themselves you never really know who they are. It's extra crazy because I think one of her songs is about SA
@@Godsbutterfly257 Exactly you are speaking facts
Remember when it first came out I was keeping up with it and then everyone dismissed it and forgot about it.
Same!
Frr! I never forgot tho and I remember her fans attacking me
No she lied….
@@ArcadiasPlanetWhere's the proof???
I very much remember bc i was telling my friends at the time i wont listen to her because she has these accusations against her and theyre serious.
the fact that Timothy bringing this up 7 years later.. obviously something traumatic happened to her!!!
"erm ackshually she just did it for attention 🤓☝️" (i hate melanie stans)
Never getting justice on top of being called a liar and an attention whore is retraumatizing enough. Then her abuser goes out of her way to release a song to frame her as a liar and instill more hate instead of leaving her alone...I can't imagine how invalidating this must feel.
Looking back, Melanie's strategy was almost the same as Colleen Ballinger's lmao.
@@may_ryann Omgg i never saw it that wayyyy but you hit the nail on the head!!!
@@may_ryann oh what's colleens strategy
@@ibetonlosinghorsesplease get a life instead of hateing on a celebrity, literally no one knows who is in the wrong and who is in the right go with your life from a person who literally has never heard of crybaby.
Girl, I used to cry myself to sleep thinking I was going to be alone forever, but then i met my husband and everything clicked. I promise your person is out there, stay positive ❤
Toda Yah!!! I’m really happy for you!! May Yah always be with you all and your loved ones!!!
WHAT IF SOME PEOPLE DON’T WANT THAT PERSON? WHAT IF SOME PEOPLE WANNA LIVE ALONE?!?!
@@StayMad10then they dont have to date?
Considering Timothy’s life got ruined and she brought it back up, I’m incredibly inclined to believe her
I believed her from the beginning
@@Dave102693 oh same here! It's crazy that despite it being re-hashed people still won't believe her
@@ellielouise9625people rather stan for their fav than hear the truth.
@@Dave102693the thing is, we don’t know if this is the truth or not. There’s much evidence gain at both people
@@Dave102693so calling it the truth is rather foolish
another girl, madeleine carina (melanie’s former friend and makeup artist), came forward with her own experience when no one was supporting timothy, and said that melanie pressured her relentlessly into s*xual activity, until she gave in. (which is coercion and still SA imo.) it seems that madeliene and timothy are friends now.
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Even her former friend/actress Stella Rose who played as Crybaby's mom left her after Timothy came up with the news.
So she’s a serial sex pest? Why ain’t I surprised?
Coercion isn’t consent so it’s not an opinion but a fact
Wait what that's literally disgusting I always got really uneasy vibes from Melanie
omg this situation has my friend getting threats and stuff on tiktok because her name is melanie😭
wtf😭😭
Aw hell nah. That's a whole other level of f'd up
Cmon people 🤦♀️
??? Ur either lying or people are extremely stupid…
That's literally so stupid
I haven’t listened to Melanie since the allegations came out. Despite the internet’s consensus being “Melanie would never do that, and Timothy just wants attention”, I always believed Timothy. I had an incredibly similar experience to her and I had no idea what to do about it, how to work through it, how to move forward. I blamed myself for not fighting harder. I was so scared, he was my friend. It took me years to tell anyone, including my lovely therapist, what happened because of how much I blamed myself.
I don’t know exactly 100% what happened with these two and can only project my own experiences onto the situation, but in the end the discomfort I feel toward Melanie hasn’t gone away since the allegations came out.
I just wanna say I do hope you’re doing better:) but that’s exactly why people shouldn’t be defending her with their lives. Experiences like yours and Timothy’s are totally valid and should be taken seriously.
@@destinymarie5401 I am doing much better and am engaged to an amazing man who respects my boundaries like no other has ❤️ I still unfortunately deal with lasting PTSD from the event but that has lessened over time and I believe someday I will be able to fully put it behind me if I keep working to do so. Seeing the defence of Melanie made my decision to not come forward with my story feel more justified; I thought no one would believe me anyway, and they would spout the same victim-blaming sentiments toward me as they did Timothy. Since then (inspired by the me too movement) I have told many people in my life and in doing so inspired my grandmother to come forward with her story after 50 years of silence. I hope someday no one will be afraid to share their story for fear of being mocked or not believed.
The funny thing is that neither Melanie nor Timothy are creating all this drama and despair like these idiotic people on social media.
If it were really serious, Taria would have been in court and Melanie would have been sentenced a long time ago. WAKE UP PEOPLE
It's no wonder that Melanie simply ignores this, and Timothy only commented on this because Melanie's fans only knew how to curse, complain and provoke Timothy all the time.
IT'S SO SIMPLE, URGH
Girl, I was such a big fan of Melanie but then I heard abt this and I never listened to her the same… Like I was Melanie DOWN. Whether the SA occurred or not, the response DISGUSTED me. Turned me off her with that alone. Idk how other stans can just pretend this never happened and not feel icky riding for her all the same.
In my experience, Melanie stans are among the most toxic ones out there.
Off Topic- I went to her concert and I got like a weird feeling like I wasn’t feeling the spark I thought I would feel seeing my favorite artist and then this came out um im not saying I’m a physic but that’s pretty close 💅 but I’m glad for the experience sad about this situation.😬 glad to say I learned to stop idolizing people I do not know👍
Exactly and even if Melanie is (but probably not) guilty she's still gonna get some side eying from me. And the fans made it 100x times worse. I'll never call myself a crybaby again regardless of who the "bad guy" is.
I hate the fact that I feel icky listening to the songs themselves, because they're literally songs, and I love the lyrics a lot. Trying to separate the art from the artist is so hard.
Same. Plus, her old aesthetic is kind of giving me the ick. Like her sexual baby/grade schooler girl aesthetic with a whole ass pacifier is kind of giving pedo or pedo adjacent vibes. If she was a man doing that stuff people would be grossed out fr.
“she never said no” okay but did she ever say YES?
Can someone pls explain bc I don’t understand
@@Moonqvv2
So with Melanies statement with saying "she never said no" meaning that Timothy didn’t verbally say it, doesnt stop the fact Timothy didn't say yes either nor did she consent to Melanie's actions. The response is vile and gross as this an horrible way and doesnt provide any sort of consent from the victim and which can lead to numerous situations of how it happened, with the main thing being overall Timothy never contested to what happened.
Hopefully this helps out! Im always able to try and make it more easier to be understanble and more simplier if needed. 🎀
@@goofylaurax ohhhhh okay tysm I didn’t understand this statement but now I do
I remember when these allegations first came out and all the Melanie fans literally was dismissing everything, actually not surprised she was able to rebrand and have success still because her fans are die hard
This
right, and it seems like she knows her fans will do literally anything for her and even if it was true she could and probably would get away with it anyways
The funny thing is that neither Melanie nor Timothy are creating all this drama and despair like these idiotic people on social media.
If it were really serious, Taria would have been in court and Melanie would have been sentenced a long time ago. WAKE UP PEOPLE
It's no wonder that Melanie simply ignores this, and Timothy only commented on this because Melanie's fans only knew how to curse, complain and provoke Timothy all the time.
IT'S SO SIMPLE, URGH
There’s really no defense for the slip up and saying “she never said no to the things we chose to do together.” How did you CHOOSE TOGETHER if you never got a yes or no?
Because Timothy was the one who bought the game to begin with and if you playing a s3x game with someone then that obviously mean both of yall consent but then again we weren’t there so we don’t know what truly happened rn it’s just words against words…
@@kennyopediabuying a game doesn’t equal to consent, they also got it as a joke
@@nyxv33Oh let’s play this game I bought as a joke! Wait… why are you actually playing😖😖
@@lannamascarenhas1597 what
@@lannamascarenhas1597no let’s not go there! it was probably like 25 cents at the thrift store they bought it at, friends joke like that maybe that’s not your sense of humor. she wanted to do funny roles like “lick my elbow” and mel was being a weirdo and didn’t gaf tim was uncomfortable with it. you’re weird.
i am SO happy this is being talked about again instead of being swept under the rug for the billionth time. not only does it become even MORE public that melanie cant grasp a good idea of consent, but that her fans will call timothy an attention-seeker for restating the allegations when shes getting more popular as if they wouldn't do the same. people are really showing their true colors.
+ depending on your fans (on melanies side) to build a timeline and debunk it themselves isnt really a good look, especially when it comes to SA.
People need to realize that Melanie admitted to them doing sexual acts together. STOP TRYING TO PROVE IT DIDNT HAPPEN.
@@Night.1 the fact that first she admitted something sexual happened and then after thanked her fans when they ""disproved"" the fact is really shady because if you're innocent why would you retroactively say that actually nothing sexual happened when your own statement said it did? Plus "she never said no" is a really stupid phrase, for many people freezing in fear is the natural response and that doesn't make it consensual. I also heard another woman said she felt pressured by her into doing sexual stuff?
@chxilya Hey, I totally understand! I support Timothy, and her statement as of now, because I'd like to say I supported and alleged victim instead of an alleged abuser. I'm just looking at all of the facts and coming to my own conclusion, not just listening to everyone else. My comment above was saying that people need to stop trying to disprove it with dates, because she admitted something happened.
@@Night.1 Yes, absolutely! I'm sorry if I came up as confrontational, I was trying to validate your point of view adding information :), I'm not good at making clear my intentions apparently really sorry!
@@chxilya No no! It's okay! I'm also bad at getting my point across, especially over text, so I wanted to make sure that it was clear who's side I was leaning towards.
Its always "believe the victim", unless its your favorite celebrity 🥴
Edit: can Melanie's cryrapies stop arguing in the replies
& it's sad bc a lot of people will believe melanie over timothy because shes famous so ppl will automatically choose melanie's side, and theres a high chance melanie will not say anything about it.
Exactly and if Melanie is proven guilty people will switch up so fast and say “I always had a bad feeling about her” 😭
Timothy admitted she lied though so I really am just so shocked people keep talking about this not every victim is telling the truth and some do tell the truth there are sick people in this world it’s not a matter of if it’s a celebrity it’s a matter of who can get the most money or fame from situations in Hollywood
@@cyerktbf Melanie did kinda speak on it, iirc she made a diss track abt the allegations (I’m not even kidding) 💀
@@boyishmistakes i didnt listen to it yet i fear, but even then people didnt believe her (not defending her , just saying)
I had been a huge Melanie fan for a few years now and in fact half my remixes on my channel are instrumentals from her albums. I grew a bit out of her music a few months before and I didn’t really like how she was handling her prices and talking to some of her fans so months ago I distanced myself from her and her fandom especially.
A few years ago I looked at all these allegations and I admit, I HEAVILY defended her on social media because EVERYTHING I saw had evidence that Melanie was innocent, but now that everything’s resurfaced and the more stuff comes out I find a lot of it can be debunked and fake but I swear a lot of this stuff is hard to find, I can’t tell what is actually true so I have not technically taken a side yet but I stopped supporting Melanie a while before, I don’t really like Timothy either because the stuff she’s also allegedly done has rubbed me the wrong way so it sounds terrible but I’ve avoided them both. But if she actually did get SA’ed, melanies “fans” are horrendous for justifying it and also apparently have hacked her account to make her look bad??? The fandoms so fucking insufferable as someone who despite only being a fan of hers for a few years, has been deep into the fandom in the past and jeez I’d love to tell you all some stories. I feel very lost because I had looked up to Melanie in the past but there’s something I realized and to younger fans you all HAVE to realize for yourselves.
Melanie is playing a character, you love her for CRYBABY and her image which at least back then is not MELANIE, you “fans” including me at one point which I’m still coming down from as if it’s a literal addiction, have a very bad parasocial relationship with her, but at one point you’re going to realize that Melanie’s another millionaire. She has said before how “she’s human like all of us” but she has like what 400 dollars for a meet and greet?? You could argue it’s for funding her movie but even if that were an excuse there’s plenty of ways someone like her could handle it.
I love and have an attachment to her music because It’s been a part of my life and while I might not listen/return to it like I used to, it’s a memory forever. I love the character she plays and I know a lot have said this but it really did make me open my eyes up to certain topics and realize my own childhood trauma, I am in a different place now where I don’t necessarily rely on it but I’ll get it in my head and listen to the instrumentals/stems, but I don’t think I’ll ever stream or give her money again. But aside from having nostalgic ties/attachment to her music, I don’t care about her herself. The hold she has on her young fans and the fact that there’s more weird stuff she’s apparently done, it really sucks because even if these allegations are fake I don’t think I can ever praise her for the person she is again, we don’t know her personally either and that’s a reason we should stop celebrity worship in general, a lot of the fans harassing people online are children too and it makes me sad. I send love to to all victims out there 💗
“she never said no” but she never said yes
Here’s the thing. The fact that Melanie knew SO many people were making hate accounts and bullying Timothy relentlessly and never told them to stop, and then made a diss track about Timothy as well, kinda solidifies to me that she’s a trash person. I say this as someone who has always loved her music too.
Um she had tim even said she was trolling her and that she was in a fucked up place and was lying and commented hearts all on her page like covid time
@@19Carmelita92 Yes! This!! Like I tried to stay neutral and observe at first, because I always want to believe victims, but I had also had my life recently wrecked by my best friend making false allegations, so I was painfully aware that some women really will lie about that for their own gain, unfortunately.
But having that experience myself just made Melanie's follow up that much more suspicious to me after a while. She subtly enouraged the harrassment with her second statement, and I don't think she was oblivious either. If I learned that kind of thing was happening to my ex-friend and her family, even after what she did to me, I would NEVER be okay with it. I would tell my fans to back the hell off so fast!
She clearly knows how her fans can get, and that calling them out is the right thing to do, because she did it for her ex, Oliver Tree not long ago.
Piggyback wasn't even the only thinly-veiled diss track. She said herself that she wrote Copycat around the same time as Piggyback, while she was in a dark place. I think it's interesting that she released it shortly after Timothy tried to come back from her first two year hiatus.
None of it sits right with me, and even her initial statements read like lying through omission. I wanted her to be better, but I'm not going to delude myself for a millionaire I never met just because I liked her art.
She went out of her way to compose a whole ass song to diss Heller but never tried to prove her innocence, as well as CONGRATULATING her obviously biased fans acting like online detectives to "disprove" the allegations for her. If there's someone trying to "piggy back" on the whole situation is Melanie.
Where did you see this
How is PiggyBack a diss track?? It’s literally Melanie expressing her emotions in a song, which she’s said many times song writing is like her therapy
The fact Melanie has made multiple songs about how SA is NOT okay, she still did this. I used to love her, I don’t listen to her as much anymore as I used to but still, she needs to practice what she preaches.
wait which ones? i don't remember all songs where it's explicitly said or wrapped up in beautiful and cutsey lines 💀💀
@@NoWastedPotential Teachers Pet, Tag your it, strawberry shortcake, and a lot others
Timothy’s statement was heartbreaking… I don’t even know how to process it without being overwhelmed with just sadness (maybe I’m just too emotional for my own good). Imagine letting all that happen to your “best friend” too when you had the power to just put an end to the hate alone without even needing commenting on the allegation. That’s fr just human decency…
I was thinking the same thing, like, Melanie just let her supposed best friend get shamed off of the internet while barely even touching on the subject, likely to just protect her own image.
I think there was a point everyone kinda forgot about what Melanie did or dismissed it saying it was "debunked', I never forgot. Plus, many many victims will "take back" their accusations because of the sheer amount of hate they get or being unable to fight back against the legal attacks from the accused
Personally, I believe in growth and change. If Melanie did something, she needs to take accountability, grow up from this, and face whatever consequences that come. If Timothy is lying, she needs to seek therapy, grow up and leave her alone. If the accusations are true, we can’t turn a blind eye to it. As a Crybaby, I will always love her voice, music, and aesthetic but she seriously needs to take accountability if it’s true. I also don’t support any fans calling Timothy horrible names, doxxing her, or hacking her account. Melanie’s brand taught us to be loving, empathetic, understanding, and respectful, not spreading hateful rhetoric and violence. If it is true, I hope that she apologizes, takes a step back from the spotlight, gets therapy and moves on to becoming a better person. Others might not agree with me and that’s completely valid and understandable as a person who has been SA’d before and maybe I’m just too nice and forgiving. Timothy deserves better than this and so do we as fans of creators
EDIT: One more thing to add. To the toxic Crybabies, who still like the music and art, stop invalidating other’s feelings about what happened to them. You weren’t there, I wasn’t there, no matter how much you love Melanie, you didn’t see what happened. To the toxic Timothy fans, stop being hypocrites and spreading hate and 🍇 threats to people who either still support Melanie or are staying neutral on the topic. To toxic creeps, stop saying that you’d gladly accept being 🍇-ed by Melanie (yes that is something I keep hearing). You don’t know what it’s like to be in that vulnerable position where you’re being violated by someone who you thought you could trust and love. Stop it. It’s gross and disgusting and you need to seek therapy.
Thiss omg you’re one of the few melanie fans who’s opinion I actually agree/resonate with. I personally am choosing to separate the art from the artist and listen to melanie on platforms that don’t give her support, as I still like her music. I was never one for putting any celebrity/artist/whatever on a a pedestal of them being a pure angel who can never do anything wrong , because realistically we truly don’t know what anyone is like behind closed doors. And also can I just say, melanie defenders who comment stuff like “anyways stream portals” etc on timothy’s video is so incredibly rude. I understand liking her music (speaking as a fan since 2016 btw) but idolizing irl people to THAT extent, in general isn’t (and never will be) okay
@@veronicaenoshima403 Exactly, if Melanie did do something wrong, she definitely needs to take accountability. Like I said, I definitely believe people grow and change and who knows what state of mind they were in all those years ago. Even so, if Melanie is in the wrong, she should say something about it. I love her music and who she is as a person to speak up for important issues like Palestine, but still doesn’t exempt her from this.
@@veronicaenoshima403 I completely agree too! Melanie needs to take full accountability and for Tim? If she’s wrong, also accountable.
@@leilag6230 idk how long it’s going to take Melanie to speak out idk if it’s her team or something but she would’ve literally said something by now ain’t no way she isn’t on social media at this exact moment
@@C0sm1cbr0wn1es True, I feel like it might be her team advising her not to speak up about it tho…
Also Melanie’s songs being about mental health, SA etc. is just gross…
How can you advocate so much for feminism, MeToo and LGBTQ+ and then say “Well, she didn’t say no”. 🤢🤮
Ikr?
Plus she releases songs that are about trauma she doesn't have, she had a happy childhood and yet her first song was dollhouse (I myself grew up with parents in a very toxic marriage and had a really sad childhood.
So what's the issue? Can she not write a song like Dollhouse? Also, how do you know she had a happy life?@alexisgrey3633
@@littlewolfy27she said it herself
@@littlewolfy27Even if its trauma that she didnt have, many artists do that (cheating, losing someone they havent, etc). It gives someone something to go and relate to. I dont see a problem with it is shes being respectful.
♫♬ "What are you waiting for?" ♫♬ I love you Keisha 😭🩵
It’s always “believe the victim first” until it’s your favorite music artist
Not really if you can see everybody is hating on mel
@@Playrgames1she has a massive growing fan base currently with people who believe it’s all lies….
@@Playrgames1 people literally faked a screenshot and treated it as real when this story first came out just to excuse her
“Believe the victim first” that’s not a ok mindset to have with no solid proof. Like I could js go on tt and say “Oh ehm gee!1!1 Taylor swift 🍇 meee!!” Without any proof .. and seeing you , you would probably believe that in a flash
@@yayamilkyway classic melanie stan
you wont die alone you will find someone who loves you dearly :)
There’s no place for “I’m staying neutral” anymore, this has been going on for years with a whole fandom attacking one girl, making up stories about her, pretending to be her and apologise for “lying” At this point, with just a bit of research you can see that Melanie Martinez has been a shady person since the begging of her career. It really is such a shame that so many people forget about their morals for someone who would never care about them, someone they never even met. You can actively see her fans on just about any platform screaming “I’m still gonna listen to her” “She would never do this” I can only imagine how this affects the alleged victim\s and other sa survivors
i completely agree
Facts.
I’m staying neutral and I’m saying this as a victim of SA… I’ve been following the whole situation since it happened and ends up NONE of it is clear even to this day.
Timothy Heller needs to take serious legal action and not just express her side on the internet.
@@aquaaria3489 whats the history sa victims have been having with the law? especially starting a case against a millionaire, and after it happened years ago. And like I said, we’ve been seeing Melanie Martinez become more and more of an a$$, I think sometimes “staying neutral” can come up as a bit ignorant
THIS
THANK YOU I’ve been talking about this for YEARS. Any time I told diehard fans of hers about it, they wouldn’t even bother to listen. I really hope more people cover this because it needs to be heard. Just because it’s two woman doesn’t mean it’s not sexual assault. Just because they were very close before does not mean it’s not sexual assault. Just because she didn’t say ‘no’ does not mean it wasn’t sexual assault. I’ve hardly seen any TH-camrs talk about these allegations expect for EdwinsGeneration around the time they originally happened, and I was a fan of Melanie at the time but stopped supporting her or listening to her pretty soon after it just felt wrong. The story resonated with me a lot because at the time I had been SA’d not long before and had a few people say similar things to me that “it wasn’t SA because I didn’t say no. because I was close with the person, because I didn’t realize right away that it was SA so it couldn’t actually be that”, the things it seemed Melanie’s fans that knew about this were saying about Timothy at the time. The fact that no one would take this seriously has always been something that’s pissed me off. Her fans will die on her side of the hill because they don’t want to see that their fave could be problematic.
Her fandom is very victim blaming. It's why I left it.
Glad this is coming back to life, it always felt weird how everyone dismissed this and forgot abt it. And when I bring it up I would get jumped my Melanie fans screaming “there’s no proof”…
In 2017 I was 14, I didn’t believe her. Now, I do. I’m so disappointed😢
Real, I was in the same boat :/ 14, no social media of my own, and hearing all the details through the grapevine of my friends who did have social media. When they told me that everything had been “debunked” and showed me that fake insta story screenshot, I believed that Melanie was innocent. I’m glad that I’m older now and can see this situation through a more matured lens
i was 11 and now i’m almost 18. i’m so disappointed in myself for hating Timothy back then :( i believe her now
When the allegations came out, I was 13. I didn't like Timothy and refused to read her claims. Instead, I decided to shame her and left mean comments on her TH-cam videos. Now that I'm older, I choose to stay neutral. However, I don't support harassing Timothy. I am open to hearing what she has to say. It's important for people to have outlets and safe spaces when sharing their experiences. 💗
Normally I’m the type of person to hear both sides before officially believing someone, but the “she never said no” response says a lot. I definitely believe Timothy here in this situation.
It’s very strange to me how the “she never said no” response is the main thing people focus on when it was a direct response to Timothy saying in her statement that’s she “kept saying no”. I’ve looked at Melanie differently ever since and I don’t think what she said was ok by any means but the way this statement has been taken out of context is extremely Bizarre.
It could be that most people didn't put together the fact that the response was made when Timothy alleged that she told Melanie no numerous times. Most probably thought the Melanie's response is one that is out of context.
@@yoursweetestdream1770 Yeah that makes sense. It’s just so bizarre to be so aggressive about something and be misinformed while attacking someone else about misinformation. That’s kind of been the convos I’ve seen on both sides.
Yeah, it sounds like a response to Timothy's post. If you think about it, her sending her "light and love" at the end is worse because how you gonna respond to a sa allegation from a close friend like that? Her post sounds more like responding to someone jealous accusing her of copying and stealing.
@@evasdorling7555 Yeah I don’t think she handled that well AT ALL. She was 22 at the time so idk if that’s why?? But in all honesty idk what she could’ve said to make people believe her. Like there’s absolutely nothing that could’ve made me think she was completely innocent. It’s just one of those things that you can’t move past without valid evidence.
if timothy wasn't really consenting but couldn't say no, it's odd for her to then claim that she continuously said no
OMG thank you!!! the channels I've seen covering this are mostly fans of Melanie. They always try to make excuses for her and then move on like nothing happened, so I'm glad you're talking about it, both times it felt like they swept it under the rug.
as a long-time fan of melanie’s music & style - MAD RESPECT TO YOU FOR ADDRESSING THIS !!!
it’s such a shame how her fans refuse to acknowledge this :( I remember hearing about this case in middle school but i never really knew the details, as an adult now learning more I cant see Melanie Martinez the same way at all. I’m heartbroken for Timothy Heller
Regardless of where you even stand there’s no justification for the amount of harassment she’s gotten for this. Hoping Timothy Heller is doing well these days 🤍
@@aura9773 yeah Timothy got harassed for speaking out with Is very immature I love Melanie’s music I’m neutral in this situation as if right now but the way us Melanie fans are acting is immature same thing for Timothy supporters I just hope we hear Melanie sides so then we can piece together this situation (I will gladly not support Melanie anymore if it’s true)
Yeah because her 12 yr old fandom at the time did everything in their power to shut down the discourse and silence Timothy into shutting up.
ydk if shes guilty or not :3
@@floreiii and neither do you
@@aura9773 right!! so lets stop making assumptions ^^
i’ve been a fan of melanie for almost 10 years at this point, and i remember only hearing about these allegations like two years ago? at the time i was shocked by what melanie had been accused of but i saw many people say that timothy admitted to lying for attention & seeing “proof” of her doing so - and i shouldn’t have just brushed it off like that now that i look back on it :/ i stopped listening to melanie all together ever since these allegations came up because i can’t listen to her the same after what timothy talked about in her video. i’m an s/a victim myself and i genuinely cannot imagine opening up about my experience only to be bombarded by hate and having to turn away from the internet. i shouldn’t have brushed off the allegations when i first heard them & i’ve loved melanie’s music but it’s a huge letdown that she hasn’t addressed this at all recently + her initial response too
4:04 😳 “she never said no” 😳🫢🫢
What am I hearing. I dunno I dunno
okay so here’s my opinion on the entire thing: both of them are telling the truth. in some situations the truth can be subjective, and i believe this is one of those cases. melanie might not believe it was SA, but that doesn’t negate the fact that timothy perceived it as a traumatic experience. both of their truths can exist simultaneously. also let’s not forget that it has been confirmed they did have sexual relations. i think melanie should have handled this way better and acknowledged timothy’s feelings instead of trying to invalidate/discredit her. those are my two cents.
Yeah I think in one of the interviews Timothy did she said she didn't think Melanie fully understood what consent was.
This is something I also have thought for years.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT
I love that you feel like you are chatting with a friend when you make these videos bc that's how I feel watching them, like fr I'm having breakfast and listening to the new gossip/news (whether it's something light or a serious topic like this one).
Aww cutie
the thing is, i sympathize and support Timothy as a VICTIM.
so many people use the fact that she's made shitty choices and decisions to try and excuse the fact that they are potentially discrediting a victim's experience.
I was SA'd a month ago.
I came out about my truth but the girlfriend of the guy who assaulted me took his side and called me a liar.
it's not as severe as Timothy's slander / harassment, but it definitely reminded me that I understand what it's like to be called a liar for coming out about my experience.
unfortunately, that wasn't the first time that I was accused of being a liar.
I’m so sorry for what happened to u, I hope everything is well now and that may God help you
@@BrianaDeLeon-j6i you are the sweetest, god bless you my friend 🩷
I legitimately did not realize the bump on your chin until you pointed it out 💀 lmaaoooo you’re still freaking gorg babes 🫶🤍
This was brought up years ago and her fans shut people down from further discussions.
I literally was a huge fan of them both, I was big fan of Dresses the duo she (Timothy) was a part of in 2014. When this came out it devastated me and I still stream Dresses and Timothy's own music. It's true and has happened to others in Melanie's circle too.
I am ashamed to admit that I never believed Timothy because I genuinely thought she was a liar... now I know better
Keisha 5:10 you are perfectly right in thinking that the choice of words “she didn’t say no” is completely wrong.
As a multiple SA victim myself. The victim doesn’t HAVE to say the words “no”. In my experience the first time I don’t actually recall saying “no”. I recall just freezing not being able to say anything anymore. the second encounter it was more vocabulary like “stop” and “please” more so pleading with the person.
And I have also done lots of reading and a victims body language, state of mind and other factors can come into play when a person does not want to do something.
And again in my experience (not from SA) but being victim I can see some flaws with people mindsets. And most people still believe that if a person doesn’t say the exact word “no” then it doesn’t classify it as SA. and I for one and OVER IT.
So yeah Keisha you are completely correct in thinking that those choice of words are a little suspicious and they could have worded it like “she was willing to” “she didn’t show any signs” “she made it clear to me”
Thank you for talking about this and bringing more attention to it.
Neutral on this. Not happy with the way it's being handled.
- "She never said no [...]" but did she say yes?
If you're asking Melanie, yes. She claims she would "never be intimate with someone without their absolute consent", and that they "chose to do [this] together." That quote directly addresses Timothy's claim that she "said no multiple times" and it only sounds bad without the context of Timothy's statement. Although this implies a verbal "no", Timothy's own statement might even contradict her claim, saying she was silent, or that she said no in multiple WAYS, e.g. excuses or body language. If that is true and Timothy never said no verbally, Melanie could have missed the body language entirely, and read the excuses as a "not now" rather than a "no" on the previous couple nights. Obviously this doesn't mean Timothy consented but it's clear Melanie was under that impression. They were also both high which would make logical thinking harder in that situation.
If you're asking Timothy if she said yes... maybe. it's not specified because the question is not about whether she consented initially, it's about whether she revoked it.
- "But why didn't Melanie just say 'she said yes'"?
Because that's irrelevant. If she doesn't dispute the claim that timothy "said no multiple times" then having a "yes" doesn't matter because consent can be revoked. "CHOSE to do together" already implies initial consent.
- "Timothy was exposed for lying"
Not exactly. She never admitted to lying, the screenshot of her saying that is fake.
- "Melanie admitted to it"
Also no. She acknowledged that something happened between them but she claims (and obviously believes) everything was consensual.
- "Timothy lied about the date"
As irresponsible it might've been to include a date when it wasn't confirmed, and it wasn't necessary for the accusation, this doesn't make her a liar. They WERE intimate with each other, the question is about consent.
- "I believe Timothy because why would she lie about something like this?"
I understand this sentiment, but there are better reasons to believe Timothy.
This comment feels like it turns a blind eye to most false accusations. The two stopped being friends, for one, and there are screenshots of Timothy commenting on Melanie's fame. People use the statistic that a very small proportion of SA allegations turn out to be false - but we miss that this is a statistic on REPORTED SA. Timothy is not a part of that percentage because she did not report it. A much larger proportion of false accusations ruin lives because they spread in communities despite never being reported.
- "Why would Timothy come back if she was lying"
or "Why is she bringing it up again"
Her coming back doesn't prove anything because she didn't feed the situation. She just gave an update on her life and talked about the harassment she faced. This situation was exposed in 2017, happened in 2015 when Melanie was 19 and Timothy was 22.
Arguably the harassment would have gotten worse if she didn't stick with her story so it doesn't prove how truthful she is.
- "Timothy should have taken this to court/police"
Many other comments explain why she wouldn't have done this. She doesn't have evidence, that's one thing, but also she might not have wanted to do that to Melanie at the time.
- "Melanie is being silent"
This did happen in 2017 and she did make a response, although it wss obviously muffled and a bit poorly worded, but this isn't news. She's not obligated to respond again to an audience that wasn't involved, although I would personally like to see her clear up what she meant in her statement. Not because I don't know what she meant, it's just not obvious to everyone.
- "Melanie is a 🍇ist"
honestly even in the worst case scenario we can't say this. It's so clear that she thought the intimacy was mutual, given what I said about:
- giving excuses, which might read as a "not yet" or "not now" and not necessarily as a "no".
- they already had an intimate relationship
- the sex game
- weed
all of this muddying the waters a little. She did not force Timothy into anything and the reasons above also lead me to believe it was not coercion either. You could call this SA but 🍇 is a stretch.
- "I'll support her even if she's proven to be a 🍇ist" "She would never" etc.
Obviously mostly kids saying this because that's messed up. If you MUST listen to a proven 🍇ist then please do it indirectly in a way that doesn't financially support them. Also, you are the audience, don't pretend you know your idols.
- "Timothy's statement sounds like what happened to me which is why I believe her."
Pretty much exactly the same thing happened to me, and as much as I was angry at myself for not revoking consent, I don't blame my ex because he was obviously convinced I was consenting. I never showed discomfort and I agreed pretty enthusiastically. I don't think victims have to be BLAMED to acknowledge that miscommunication leads to uncomfortable situations. I don't blame myself anymore, nor do I blame him. We both know better now. To me it seems like Melanie and Timothy viewed that night differently and never knew of the others view until the allegations came out.
- "Always believe victims"
It's "always listen to victims". You are absolutely allowed to be neutral in situations like this where nobody knows what happened but the two of them. Support the victim, but don't go spreading accusations with no weight to them like they're fact.
I will not "support" Timothy because she's a bit of a terrible person, reasons unrelated to this situation, but I do sympathise with her. Even if she was lying about what happened, I wouldn't block out whatever she has to say.
- "Timothy stuck with her story and there are inconsistencies in Melanie's story"
Timothy definitely didn't stick with a singular story. Inconsistencies are to be expected anyway from a victim as that is a trauma response, but Timothy does miss some details that change the nature of that night completely in her original statement. If you see her interviews after reading her statement they don't quite align.
- "But Melanie took back what she said"
Melanie thanking her fans for pointing out inconsistencies is not her denying anything happened, just being thankful they're not blindly believing a story that was inaccurate. Especially since parts of it were straight up wrong, and other parts of it misconstrued Melanie's intentions. False accusations are very serious.
- "Piggyback was a disstrack"
Response, vent, whatever it was, it was not a disstrack. It's weird to call it that.
- "Timothy accused other celebrities of SA"
not that I know of, she just said things that didn't quite go down well with them, although i have heard she accused someone else who wasn't a celebrity.
- "Victims aren't perfect, the things she did don't mean she couldn't have gotten SA'd"
This is 100% true. That being said, I think it's often being used in response to people who question her reliability, because if someone has a history of lying, that has to be taken into consideration.
If you've seen Timothy's twitter and tiktok, you can form your own opinion, but the way she talks about the situation feels off to a lot of people.
BUT we should always still listen to victims and look into their stories. Known liars could be telling the truth (an unfortunate boy who cried wolf situation) and seemingly honest people can lie, even unintentionally if they are influenced to do so. The idea is to hold the 🍇ist accountable and keep the victim safe, and help them heal. Remind victims it's not their fault. Hell, even if you're like me and being a doormat gets you where you are now. It's still not the victim's fault.
There's a lot more but I'll have to add to this later.
HARASSMENT AND DOXXING ARE NOT HOW WE DEAL WITH THIS.
This situation is so confusing and the fact that none of them took legal action (from what we know) makes it even harder to understand
The court system is terrible for survivors, financially, socially and psychologically.
@@Dave102693 The thought of going to the police to report SA is already scary, but going on the internet to accuse your abuser with little to no evidence and no prospect of eventually reporting them to the police is just unthinkable.
Legal actions need to be taken. We shouldn’t scare off victims with this way of thinking. And this is not just a matter of seeking justice, but also a way to let all people know that THEY ARE a criminal.
@@aquaaria3489only about 2% of sa victims actually (get to) report it and a lesser percentage of that win in court..
@@Dave102693oh, this is completely true and I’m taking it into consideration, however at this point it is needed (not that it wasn’t before), yk? Even more considering that people have been threatening her life ever since she posted it online. There’s also a power dynamic going on in this situation but maybe it could be a way of protection since all these aspects of her life are already being affected in the worst way possible by Martinez’s fans. Having said that, it is important to encourage people to seek justice against any abuse they go through, it’s a way of fighting against it.
I’m not taking a side when I say this, though. I can totally see where you’re coming from and the system is rlly fucked up but in this case she’s already struggling and the fact that she is going through all this shit and not trying to protect herself other than talking abt it on the internet is shady to say the least. I’m also pointing out that Melanie’s lack of action is also extremely suspicious and can be an indication of what is going on bc if it wasn’t true they could have easily taken legal action against Heller.
@@aquaaria3489I agree with everything you said besides the fact that it’s not always possible to have evidence of this type of crime.
I like Melanies Music and I really didn't believe Timothy before when I was younger, but assuming her story is true, I just feel so bad for her. Melanie has definitely contradicted herself and I think she should, but probably won't, make a public statement about this.
Same
i’m so glad u did this. i used to be a huge Melanie fan she was my idol. I related to her music and honestly reading timothy hellers original tweet was really triggering to a situation that happened w me. so i decided officially not to listen to her anymore which was really hard since she played a huge part in my elementary, middle and high school
Its messy for both parties so im staying neutral.
Same! It feels so odd for this to happen on the internet
KEISHA HAS BEEN KILLLLING IT WITH THE VIDEO TOPICS!!!!! And videos in general, new fresh topics and well thought out videos while also keeping it fun yet real 💎 💐 🌸 🌺 💎💎
unrelated but when you sang in the beginning i had to do a double take because your voice flowed so smoothly i thought you autotuned it for a sec
I’m baffled that she still has this large of a fan base
y'all can attack me for this, idgaf. all of this is coming from a former fan of melanie martinez.
it's always "she got the dates wrong!!" melanie quite literally said that it happened herself. "she's a bad person!!" that doesn't matter at all. the majority of the things she supposedly did were made up by melanie fans and even if they were true, it doesn't mean she wasn't sexually assaulted. "sarah morgan exposed her!!" she isn't even a real person. "she dressed up as melanie!!" many victims stay friends with their abusers after it happens. some even stay dating or are forced to live with them. timothy explained that she was still friends with melanie at the time and was on tour with her when the pictures were taken.
(update: i found out that those pictures were taken before the allegations even came out.)
"she promoted her music after making the accusations!!" she released her song months before. "she didn't go to the police or court!!" what would the police be able to do without evidence? the legal system treats sexual assault cases horribly, especially when it's women on women. most sa cases don't have any evidence. and if timothy really is lying, why hasn't melanie sued her for defamation? "timothy bought the game!!" yeah, as a joke. she never consented to having actual sex. "melanie was in the handcuffs!!" ever heard of this thing that happens in games called taking turns? "melanie made songs about how rape is bad!!" hypocrisy is a thing that exists. "she's only speaking up now that melanie is more popular!!" no, she's speaking up now because she was ran off the internet. even if that were the case, why shouldn't she? her story deserves more recognition and support. not to mention there's this globelamp person who wasn't even actually friends with timothy and is an abuser herself.
several friends of mine were sexually assaulted, you gonna tell them that they're lying too? they can't remember the dates or when it happened so i guess that means they're clearly lying. you're all just a bunch of victim blamers. it's very common for people who have been traumatized to not remember dates.
and what about madeleine carina? y'all love to forget that she exists and that she was also sa'd. and before you bring up the whole "she said it was consensual!!" thing: if you have to be begged over and over again while you're intoxicated until you finally give in to having sex, then it's not consent, it's coercion, which is still a form of sexual assault. melanie also never even bothered to address what she said.
another thing: why would timothy come back after years of harassment, being doxxed and getting sent death threats if all she wanted was "attention"? why would she put herself through all of that again if that were the case? she isn't gaining any "fame" from this, she's just receiving the same thing she did 7 years ago: being harassed by melanie's fanbase and getting called a "liar".
everyone also just loves to ignore the fact that melanie changed her story. first she said that she did something with timothy and then backtracked on it when she thanked her fans for pointing out her "false" statements. did it happen or not? melanie's first statement is also horrendous. "she never said no" is abuser language. the full sentence does not matter because it doesn't change anything. if it isn't a definitive and enthusiastic yes, then it's a no, period. it's always "believe the victim!!" until it's timothy and madeleine.
I respect u bc you took the time to get resources 🫶 in my opinion I think Timothy came back for redemption
@@yayamilkywaywhat does that mean
@@ibetonlosinghorses idk anymore tbh
@@yayamilkyway😭
Also it’s easy for people to get the dates wrong if they’ve been traumatized. The people using that as a way to call her a liar obviously have never gone through something like that. I’ll never understand why people judge what others do in a situation they’ve never been in.
This is the 3rd time these allegations have cropped up. I love Melanie's music a lot, but man... 🙁 The way the fans covered it up day one has always irked me. I hope Timothy is well after all these years.
Has Timothy ever addressed the fact that she dressed up as her abuser for Halloween after the SA took place? She also remained friends with Melanie within the 2 years she stayed quiet about it which is also a bit weird considering she said that Melanie wanted to end their friendship and did but when she was asked if they were still friends before she put out the SA story she said yes. I really wanna believe Timothy cause I'm an SA survivor myself and see myself in this story but there's too many wholes in it.
When you read her whole post she said about she said something about how she didn’t believe it was r@pe at first because Mel was her friend and they were both girls and how it took her time to realize that it was r@pe and Timothy said that after the sa Mel and her stayed friends for while but then Mel texted her that she (Mel) had to cut people out in her life. So they could have stayed friends for about two years after the sa until Mel texted Timothy that and a little while after that Timothy came out saying Mel saed her. I’ve done hours of research on this and the timeline kind of makes since once you put some pieces together
@@Lovesick_Klepto Except that we don't know when Mel allegedly cut her off. This is all circumstantial at best.
melanie doesn't relate to her songs. she had said once that she had a good childhood in an interview i think, the songs are about crybaby which is just a character not her.
edit: she actually relates to crybaby (the song) cause people used to make fun of her as a kid for being very sensitive and her teeth gap
Can't say I'm surprised
Actually, there are a couple songs that Melanie relates to. She said in an interview that she was bullied as a child for being very sensitive, so the song Crybaby is one of them.
@@cookiecat9034 oh yeah
as a ‘I used to listen to mel 24/7 for the past few years’ Melanie fan
it is fucking CRAZY. how Melanie’s fans are acting with this situation. Like you’d think they’d act respectful because of the topics that Melanie writes about (at least that’s what I thought when this came back), right? Why tf are they acting like their pookie wookie bear wouldn’t do such a thing ?? I get it, I was 13 once as well, but being a fan; That is not your place to get in between and fight for Melanie. In the nicest way possible (maybe), she needs to get her shit together and give us more than what she’s already given to clear her own name. It is truely disappointing that she needs everyone else to harass the alleged victim, and using the engagement to boost herself while she acts as if this isn’t even happening.
I think one of the main issues is the fact that most of her fan base right now are kids/young teens, most of them being no older than 15. A lot of them are too young to fully understand how serious of a situation this is, and are too gullible to realize a lot of the “proof” of Melanie being innocent is the exact same fake screenshot bs
For the outfits and crybaby album im pretty sure her albums is a girl growing up and the crybaby album is talking about childhood trauma k-12 is like school i thibk idrk the lore
at first I sided with Melanie because of all the holes in Timothy's story. but years later, I'm starting to question my stance for many reasons. My main reason is the fact that Melanie let her *FANS* do the detective work and applauded them for picking apart Tim's story instead of making an actual statement. I was really hoping this time around that we would get more than a poorly worded tweet and a diss track. she has yet to say *anything* and that right there is why I'm starting to question everything. like...wouldn't she at least want to clear her name? she won't even really give her side of the story an is *blatantly* ignoring her fans asking her to speak out but remains active on her instagram stories...there's no way she aint seeing the comments and turned the option to send her a direct message through stories...she ain't saying *ANYTHING* which to me says everything...I'm disappointed. Her overpriced perfumes and merch and hiding behind her teen fanbase ain't gonna work forever. as a survivor myself, and also someone with BPD like Timothy, I'm hurt. sure *we* as her fans aren't "owed" anything but...we made her famous. at the very least, she should make this a legal issue if she's telling the truth. Honestly both of them should considering how serious this is. Tim made this an internet issue, so I would think going to the police would be nothing compared to what she's gotten online. so if She's telling the truth, she should have Melanie imprisoned or at least fined and if Melanie is telling the truth, she should sue for deformation of character. this shouldn't be an internet issue, it should be a *LEGAL ONE*
THIS!! Also about the last part, I kinda understand why she didn’t go to the police. Timothy said she stayed friends with Melanie a little while after that, because it probably took her a long time to process what happened to her. Not to mention the fact it happened years ago so it would be impossible to get physical evidence of it now. Don’t forget the fact that Melanie is a millionaire and has way more resources than Timothy.
i’ve been watching this unfold for sooo many years being a melanie fan since i was like 11, then finding out about the allegations when i was 13, and then being told they were fake and timothy lied, and then just last year when i was 18 finding out that the post of timothy saying it’s a lie was not real and oh my god my head is spinning. i can’t deny i still listen to and love melanie’s music but i just can’t support her and that rly sucks as such a longtime fan. the whole situation is so disappointing i’m not gonna say i’m never listening to her again, because her music has meant sm to me for so long but i now know that i believe timothy 100%. and i will not be as easily swayed to believe melanie as i was when i was 13.
melanie’s defense first was “something did happen but she didn’t say no” and then “nothing happened, we weren’t even together at the time” after her fans began trying to piece a timeline after timothy gave the incorrect date (which is incredibly common for victims as the period of time is blurry as fuck, ask me when i was sa’d and i can tell you everything about what happened except the date because everything outside of the event is a mess and feels like a fever dream).
to me, the fact that timothy’s story has been the same and that only melanie’s side has changed is enough to cast suspicion onto melanie for me.
I feel like “ believe the victim first “ isn’t the right way. I think it should be “ Stay neutral until proven “
Thank you, let me kiss your feet
I'm not going to side with any of them, mostly because there is no evidence from any of them proving their version of the story, and there is no lawsuit or report. But hacking or doxing someone is really too much.
The whole crybaby era initiated when she was like18-19 so it actually made sense back then but she kinda got stuck in that as a musician bc thats what she was most known for
i really liked melanie but her silence is giving guilt. i dont understand either why melanie is choosing to not speak about it, it’s like she wants it all to blow over which is very suspicious
I think it's important to keep a level of skepticism with all things, cause like Timothy has used r@p3 imagery in her art on Tumblr and has a racist past and Melanie is POC, BUT victims should always be believed because like you said 2 things can be true at once. I'm saying this and playing both sides because at the end of the day this is an issue with stan culture. Melanie's fan base is infamously toxic. Celebrities shouldn't be idolized, at the end of the day they're people
After hearing all the shit Timmy went through I couldn't handle listening or even seeing her music without thinking about the horrible shit she and her fans did. I know ppl say "Separate the art from the artist" but it's hard when you've listened to the artist for sooo many years and you find out their a bad person
Yes if people like the actual music I recommend listening to instrumentals or concept songs thats inspiration from it because neither have her actually on it
I literally came across your channel like 3 days ago and easily my top fav! I’ve subscribed and been binge watching you - you are so awesome and it really is like chatting with a friend ! Keep it up beautiful strong amazing and funny lady, I am totalllllly here for it!
Aww thanks queen
I get those pimples too they truly hurt so much 😅
I hate the fact she isn’t talking at all now :(
Yeah same I’m tired of getting attacked by these stupid Timothy heller fans they are so freaking annoying
@@King-Trevin-King-Beaucry abt it
I feel like it would make it worse whether the would say something or not
Ive grown up a lot in the past 7 years. I believe timothy. I think what happened was melanie coerced her into sex based on all the statements. I feel awful for timothy. I do think some of her early statements were untrue, whether intentional or not, but it is easy to get dates wrong when you've been traumatized.
I don't think melanie's intention was SA. I don’t think she was aware that she was coercing Timothy and I think she truly believes there was consent. But i wish she would speak out about the situation, take the mature route, and apologize to Timothy. Her statement was absolutely atrocious and needs to be amended.
K-12 is an important album to me, it got me through some tough times, but I'm no longer delusional enough to back her with my full support. I haven't listened to anything past k-12 and hardly listen to her anymore.
I hope that someday Melanie will apologize.
All that said I do still think Timothy's account of the sex game is strange. It was a dice game meaning it was up to chance what the dice rolled so there is no way to just do funny rolls or serious rolls because what you roll is random.
Reasonable comment. I also think Melanie believes it was consensual. But to Timothy, it wasn't.
Can yall recommend me artists who aren't problematic? 😭
I’m replying cuz I wanna know too 💀💀😭😭 I mean Laufey and beabadoobee aren’t problematic
And Daniel Caesar (I think)
Chappelle🫡
Teddy Hyde
Daniel Knox
Will wood
@@nailasymmone LOL he is too 😭
It's upto you to find out ...ut requires wisdom plus responsibility to find out.If you genuinely care about humanity and don't want to become sheep like others.This world is like this .. its disgusting and horrendous too ...
I’m staying neutral in this situation since I don’t want to pick a side unless I hear both sides of the story
same !! both sides aren't making sense at all, and then nobody is providing actual evidence. Melanie states that they both agreed on what they both CHOOSE to do together, and then apparently, they were under the influence when it happened? (this is NOT me defending Melanie btw, even if you're under the influence that does not give you the right nor the excuse of being a creep) And then, she went on TIkTok years later to talk about it again instead of just privately suing Melanie or something. Nobody is making an actual statement, and then this was just so random and out of the blue. Why talk about this now ? Why bring it to public now ? If Melanie did indeed do the allegations being accused, then hell yeah Melanie should be held accountable and suffer the consequences of being a creep. Just a weird situation. is was just so random and out of the blue.
@@mel-ou3ys tbh I get why people think that Melanie would never but tbh it can still happen honestly we shouldn’t be trying to take matters into our own hands because it’s making everything worse these type of things should be resolved behind closed doors
I have a bias towards Melanie, so I'm keeping my mouth SHUT because I don't want my bias to get in the way of justice. But overall, I'll claim neutrality since I'm not exactly following the situation.
@@mel-ou3ys And it's odd how it keeps getting brought up yet i dont think anything has been done about it yet, which it NEEDS to, because if not people will continue to believe melanie is a rapist.
I just wish melanie would say something but it's very unlikely
I'm so tired of people going around and calling this allegation as a fact that it's true. If ppl really want a response from Melanie they should boycott her and not associate with anything to do with her until her pockets are empty and she has no other choice but to come out and speak on this bc a rapist shouldn't be praised
I believe victims. I believe Timothy. I find it disturbing that the internet fully supports “believe victims” but that falls flat when the alleged perpetrator is a woman. Also, your fav doesn’t know you exist. Why is publicly defending them more important than accepting that your fav may be an awful person?
Timothy had nothing to gain then and has nothing to gain now.
NOOOOOO STOPPPPP WHY (I heard it b4 but it still shocks me) I literally looked up to her bro and now she’s on the 2024 bingo card of weirdos. I’m so disappointed
SAME. i told my friend i bet this would happen after watching brad tastes in musics video on her. 2024 is sadly the year of offenders and groomers
@@yappymcyap BRAD who ? Sorry I'm just curious
@@yappymcyap OHHH nevermind sorry, Is BRAD TASTES the channel name ?
@@P34RL_D1V3Rbrad taste in music
Don’t let sweet voices fool you. I recently found out a sweet girl from school got arrested for sex with a minor under 13 soooo yea . She was one of the nicest ppl in school
WHAT THE FUCK
What the actual fuck is wrong with people
Did not even hesitate 😭
I feel like Melanie knows what she did wrong. She's just ignoring it because she doesn't NEED to acknowledge the situation.She still has a huge fandom, she will still be rich, she doesn't loose anything from this besides loosing some sane people who used to be her fans.
I think any person who gets falsely accused try their absolute hardest to prove their innocence but Melanie literally seems like she doesn't care because she's still living it up.
my thoughts exactly
She only ignored it after making 2 responses and a song.
Let's make some things clear, for 7 years Tim has lied about the dates. Proof on my channel Tim knew the right dates the whole time.
Second. Mel clearly communicated she wanted to have seggs.
Tim bought them a seggs game.
Tim told us she said no for 2 nights straight and made it clear she was uncomfortable. How? When Tim saw the game, tim pointed it out and said they should get it. Then went back to mels house and performed love actions on her. Idk about you, but I'd take that as clear communication she IS interested.
If this gets taken down imma be pissed cause I been known about allegations against her since 2018 and everyone ignored it and spread rumors that Timothy was proven to be a liar
Hope Timothy goes to jail for her false accusations
This story been around for a while now and i still don't have much of an opinion on the situation. I was once interested in the situation but with so many loop holes on what even happen- it's confusing. I like Melanie's music, I am a fan but I never put my head on a block for any celebrity & neither should anyone else🙅🏾♀️! We DON'T know these people personally, we just know their craft/talent. We also weren't there so we can never be too sure about what actually happen or didn't happen! For Timothy's well being & Melanie's integrity, I really hope that this did not happen🙁.
i love it when keisha sings what are you waiting foooorr ouur
I heard about the riots in the Uk and I hope just everyone is staying safe ✨
1:13 your voice is so beautiful 😭
girl your singing voice is so good
This is so old, I remember that when I used to listen to her music people were making fun of Timothy and accusing her of copying Melanie (their styles were pretty similar so anything Timothy wore similar to Melanie's they would say she's copying and trying to be Melanie 😭😭 like pls just get a life). I swear fandoms are cults full of brainless zombies.
The thing about Mel that really bothers me aside from these allegations is that she never was abused in childhood and yet found a way to capitalize on these aspects of trauma she never experienced. As someone who actually was heavily abused in childhood I find it insulting and disrespectful. So when you said that she’s writing from her experience, I wanna inform you that no, she was not. She was playing a character. She grew up with loving parents. She’s never been through a lot of what she’s claimed to have been through.
Just FYI, she can’t be criminally accused of lying unless she went to the police to report AND they had evidence she made it up. Which almost never happens because with SA there usually is not evidence anyway
but melanie could probably sue her for defamation of character
@@teddi3246 yeah for sure! but that’s not criminal Justice system doing it that’s Melanie herself. She said something about false accusations being prosecuted and I just wanted to clarify that probably wouldn’t happen. Suing is different
The way Melanie has a song with the themes of victim blaming/assault only for her (she thanked her fans who “”debunked”” the allegations) and her fans to do victim blame not just Timothy but her second victim Madeleine Carina.
You're my new fav youtuber, genuinely so funny. Stop being such a good singer too, damn dude!
Omg I was wondering if you were going to talk about this.
If u love indie pop listen to Aurora.
aurora clears felony molestinez
Not to be that person but I'm so glad this issue has been brought back to light because I've hated Melanie (over this issue) for ages and I never said shit because I've seen her crazy fans doxx people over it💀
Fr. Like Melanie’s fans literally sent death threats and gore images to Brad Taste in Music and his fiancée when they spoke of their support of Timothy. Say what you will about Brad now, but it is absolutely disgusting to send horrible things to people because they choose to support someone that you don’t.
Yeah honestly coming from a Melanie fan it’s very immature to do that shit someone said they didn’t care about the allegations and said “she can rape me next idc” 🫤
im 100% sure timethy didnt tweet these things. why would she try to fuck up her image if she wanted people to believe her?