I'm pleased to have one of these in my shop. Just got it yesterday! Very pleased with how it arrived. No damage. Very professional. First legacy I've seen up close. The machine was way tougher and rugged than I thought it would be. I run a vinyl sign business. I bought this machine to augment and integrate CNC ability into my 2D vinyl work. For 6 years, I've never made a sign to be used indoors in my area.
I’ve had a Legacy for years. Began with their Explorer 2x2, upgraded to the Maverick 3x5. I had the opportunity to visit their factory, got the full tour, material comes in this door, finished product tested and ships out another door. What impressed me most was the quality of the construction, it is made in the USA, and most importantly when I have an issue, normally self-induced, help is literally a phone call away. Lots of free training videos, plus working with students and other Guild members. I recommend Legacy most highly.
I have had a Legacy 3*5 for about a year and a half. Other than a couple of initial software problems (quickly resolved by the factory) the machine has been absolutely trouble free. Couple of observations. 1) the machine is absolutely rock solid . The upside is that the machine quickly and accurately indexes to the presets and produces results with extremely tight tolerances, 2) the Legacy software takes some getting used to. It has a somewhat unique look and feel to it. The initial challenge is to get your brain tuned in to how the designers are thinking about a process. Once you shift your thought processes a bit then the the software becomes very easy and amazingly powerful 3) Tracy and the crew at Legacy do a weekly on line seminar that is very helpful. Different topics get explored which has significantly expanded the range of projects I am willing to take on 4) after 30 years as a woodworker, shifting to CNC manufacturing has been an interesting and fun stretch. The Legacy machine has greatly facilitated the shift. Would buy one again in a moment. Only issue would be to look at one of the 4*4 machine vs the 3*5 that I currently run. Brad
It's always good to hear about innovations coming into the market! That's the first time I've heard someone say CNC Machining is a dying craft! You'd think after 75 years the "craft" would continue to expand and prosper - and it is at the hobby level, to be sure. I base this assertion on the shear number of machines now being offered for sale at most tool dealers at relatively affordable prices, along with a few available on the used machine market. Hand woodworking is a dying craft as new and better machines come into use, replacing most all of the hand tools and their uses. Other than old woodworkers like me or hobbyists, fewer develop the hand tool skills when a machine can be more precise at many levels. I was a hand tool woodworker long before I discovered CNC woodworking uses, and I suspect quite a few people are similar and are adopting, or have adopted, CNC into their production or hobby shops.
GaryHome, that is some very good points you have there brother. CNC is an amazing art and carries with it some great companies and an entire network of support to help you in your journey. Keep working and learning everything you can my friend.
I use Carveco Maker+, so far I love it. Vectric seems good too but at the time of purchase, Carveco was more bang for the buck, plus the technical support have been amazing. Love those guys across the pond.
djs6576, I get what you mean brother about the cost of getting started, it can get a bit pricy starting out. I'm glad you've had a great experience with Carveco!
Thanks for sharing the Legacy CNC overview. Is the touch plate physically mounted to the CNC machine? If so, then how would VCarve Pro know where the top of the material is located? Or does it mark the top of the spoil board which is the bottom of your material? Does the ATC bits automatically go and touch off of the zero plate or is the bit length automatically stored in the software?
The touch plate does have a "home" mounting that is used for tool measurement. The touch plate unit can be moved anywhere on the machine bed to measure either the top of the material or measure from the bed of the machine depending on your design. You can use most any design software. I use Aspire, also an outstanding company that stands behind their product and has outstanding customer support.
I'm a big fan of the Legacy machines and thought it was ideal for what I wanted, but came to realize there are some very real limitations. Primarily, you can only do one thing at once. If you are a small shop that just wants flexibility, fine, but if you have a lot of work that includes needing to turn spindles or carvings then you would be far better off with a separate machine for that instead of tying up your primary money maker for hours (have to include setup/changeover time each time). It also looks like vacuum is limited to about 2/3 of the table? I have an SCM Minimax 5 way sliding table saw/planer/jointer/shaper/mortiser that is similar, it gives me a lot of ability but at the cost of less efficiency when I have to convert between operations. If I had more work going through or an employee it would really slow things down compared to separate machines.
DSDesignWoodworking, you bring up some very fair points my friend. Every machine will certainly come with it's pros and cons! It's really choosing the machine that's the best fit for you and what you're looking to create that matters most!
The vacuum table is NOT limited to 2/3's of the table. When not in use, the turning center can be covered, giving the user full access to the entire 4' width of the table (including a vacuum option). You are absolutely correct. You cannot use all the features of a Legacy CNC at the same time. If you have room and the budget for it, more machines might make sense. Legacy makes a CNC that does nothing but spindles. That machine would be a better option if you were turning out lots of balusters and newel posts. But, that's not the type of work the CNC machine shown in the video was designed for. A lot of Legacy owners make custom cabinets and use their CNC to cut the cabinet parts from sheet goods. Many other 4x8 or 5x10 CNCs can do the same. The difference is Legacy owners can easily dress up those cabinets with custom turned barley twist columns. Adding such a feature turns a generic set of cabinets into something much more special. Dressing up cabinets in this way may add only a couple of hours to the build time for a typical set of kitchen cabinets, but Legacy owners can sell their cabinets for much more than cabinets without such flourishes. So, yeah, it would be great to have more than one machine -- provided both could be kept busy, you had the room, etc. But, having a machine that is more flexible allows you to do higher value work. Such work can bring in more revenue even if your total productivity suffers a bit.
@@unclebob8746 Yup, I looked at a used one seriously last year before picking up an Avid Pro machine that I plan to add a rotary axis to. I'm just getting started and have no idea how much I'll need to turn, will likely be more 3d carvings than spindles, etc.. so I just want flexibility right now. If I were busier and had a consistent need to turn spindles or anything else then I would be far better off with two machines that can work at the same time vs one that can do everything but only one thing at a time along with changeover. Awesome machine and I'd love to have one, but it's priced at a level where you'd better be running a large volume of work through it, and if you have a large volume of work then it's probably not the ideal machine (vs two separate)...
I have there 1500 ornamental and to get parts for that machine is impossible because they abandoned there customers who have that machine. When I was looking to buy a cnc I looked long and hard at there machine but seeing how they abandoned me on the ornamental mill I went with a different company that stands by there machinery.
garciarosa100, It sounds like you've had quite a frustrating experience with that machine. It's always important to choose a company that provides solid support and parts for their products. Your decision to go with a different company seems like a wise choice, especially considering your needs.
Yes I bought a ornamental mill 20 years ago and I still use it. But Andy Anderson forgot his roots and no longer supports it. I spent over 3 grand then. Pretty cool but rather take a beating Garrett
ToddElyea, It's great to hear that you're still enjoying your ornamental mill after all these years! It can be frustrating when support for a product fades over time, especially after such a significant investment. Hopefully, you've found ways to make the most out of your mill despite the changes. Happy woodworking!
I try watching your videos time to time but i just can't stand the quality of your audio. It's a super big turn off and bewilders me that it hasn't been addressed in the years you have been doing this. I'll try back in a couple months
wagsman9999, It's always great to save up for quality tools! Investing in good equipment can really make a difference in the work you produce. Keep saving, and you'll get there!
I’ve had a Legacy for years. Began with their Explorer 2x2, upgraded to the Maverick 3x5. I had the opportunity to visit their factory, got the full tour, material comes in this door, finished product tested and ships out another door. What impressed me most was the quality of the construction, it is made in the USA, and most importantly when I have an issue, normally self-induced, help is literally a phone call away. Lots of free training videos, plus working with students and other Guild members. I recommend Legacy most highly.
VISIT THE LEGACY WEBSITE → link.idcwoodcraft.com/legacy-cnc-1
I'm pleased to have one of these in my shop. Just got it yesterday! Very pleased with how it arrived. No damage. Very professional. First legacy I've seen up close. The machine was way tougher and rugged than I thought it would be. I run a vinyl sign business. I bought this machine to augment and integrate CNC ability into my 2D vinyl work. For 6 years, I've never made a sign to be used indoors in my area.
Navigator, right on brother! Glad to hear that you like how your machine arrived. I am excited for you to get to cutting on that bad boy!
I’ve had a Legacy for years. Began with their Explorer 2x2, upgraded to the Maverick 3x5. I had the opportunity to visit their factory, got the full tour, material comes in this door, finished product tested and ships out another door. What impressed me most was the quality of the construction, it is made in the USA, and most importantly when I have an issue, normally self-induced, help is literally a phone call away. Lots of free training videos, plus working with students and other Guild members. I recommend Legacy most highly.
Butch, right on brother! Thank you for sharing your perspective and experience working with your Legacy, it's a great machine!
I have had a Legacy 3*5 for about a year and a half. Other than a couple of initial software problems (quickly resolved by the factory) the machine has been absolutely trouble free. Couple of observations. 1) the machine is absolutely rock solid . The upside is that the machine quickly and accurately indexes to the presets and produces results with extremely tight tolerances, 2) the Legacy software takes some getting used to. It has a somewhat unique look and feel to it. The initial challenge is to get your brain tuned in to how the designers are thinking about a process. Once you shift your thought processes a bit then the the software becomes very easy and amazingly powerful 3) Tracy and the crew at Legacy do a weekly on line seminar that is very helpful. Different topics get explored which has significantly expanded the range of projects I am willing to take on 4) after 30 years as a woodworker, shifting to CNC manufacturing has been an interesting and fun stretch. The Legacy machine has greatly facilitated the shift. Would buy one again in a moment. Only issue would be to look at one of the 4*4 machine vs the 3*5 that I currently run. Brad
bradsmith7363, thanks for sharing your perspective on this awesome machine brother! Glad to hear that it has been an enjoyable journey for you.
It's always good to hear about innovations coming into the market!
That's the first time I've heard someone say CNC Machining is a dying craft! You'd think after 75 years the "craft" would continue to expand and prosper - and it is at the hobby level, to be sure. I base this assertion on the shear number of machines now being offered for sale at most tool dealers at relatively affordable prices, along with a few available on the used machine market.
Hand woodworking is a dying craft as new and better machines come into use, replacing most all of the hand tools and their uses. Other than old woodworkers like me or hobbyists, fewer develop the hand tool skills when a machine can be more precise at many levels.
I was a hand tool woodworker long before I discovered CNC woodworking uses, and I suspect quite a few people are similar and are adopting, or have adopted, CNC into their production or hobby shops.
I want one do you finace
GaryHome, that is some very good points you have there brother. CNC is an amazing art and carries with it some great companies and an entire network of support to help you in your journey. Keep working and learning everything you can my friend.
I use Carveco Maker+, so far I love it. Vectric seems good too but at the time of purchase, Carveco was more bang for the buck, plus the technical support have been amazing. Love those guys across the pond.
djs6576, I get what you mean brother about the cost of getting started, it can get a bit pricy starting out. I'm glad you've had a great experience with Carveco!
Wow that assumes looking machine. Maybe someday. Just a newbie yet. Thank you for sharing
burakloft568, you are so welcome brother.
burakloft568, you're so welcome brother! I'm hoping you get the chance to try one out, they are great machines!
Wow, that is the perfect machine.
shrimuyopa8117, it's a great machine brother! I hope you get the chance to try one out yourself!
Bought the 4 x 4 atc this past summer and is one awesome machine. ATC will spoil you!
WoodWorkingJourney, I couldnt agree more brother! Happy to hear you are liking your ATC.
,a cool video keep up the great content.. Thank you……
magicworldbyjorg, you are so welcome my friend.
magicworldbyjorg, I'm glad enjoyed it brother!
@@IDCWoodcraft Thank you very mutch... have a nice Start of the week.... see you….
Thanks for sharing the Legacy CNC overview. Is the touch plate physically mounted to the CNC machine? If so, then how would VCarve Pro know where the top of the material is located? Or does it mark the top of the spoil board which is the bottom of your material? Does the ATC bits automatically go and touch off of the zero plate or is the bit length automatically stored in the software?
Hi Dion
It is built into the machine software. Yes the printer is hard mounted
The touch plate does have a "home" mounting that is used for tool measurement. The touch plate unit can be moved anywhere on the machine bed to measure either the top of the material or measure from the bed of the machine depending on your design. You can use most any design software. I use Aspire, also an outstanding company that stands behind their product and has outstanding customer support.
I have one for almost two years
andrewdagostino1687, right on brother! Glad to hear its working out for you.
I'm a big fan of the Legacy machines and thought it was ideal for what I wanted, but came to realize there are some very real limitations. Primarily, you can only do one thing at once. If you are a small shop that just wants flexibility, fine, but if you have a lot of work that includes needing to turn spindles or carvings then you would be far better off with a separate machine for that instead of tying up your primary money maker for hours (have to include setup/changeover time each time). It also looks like vacuum is limited to about 2/3 of the table? I have an SCM Minimax 5 way sliding table saw/planer/jointer/shaper/mortiser that is similar, it gives me a lot of ability but at the cost of less efficiency when I have to convert between operations. If I had more work going through or an employee it would really slow things down compared to separate machines.
DSDesignWoodworking, you bring up some very fair points my friend. Every machine will certainly come with it's pros and cons! It's really choosing the machine that's the best fit for you and what you're looking to create that matters most!
The vacuum table is NOT limited to 2/3's of the table. When not in use, the turning center can be covered, giving the user full access to the entire 4' width of the table (including a vacuum option).
You are absolutely correct. You cannot use all the features of a Legacy CNC at the same time. If you have room and the budget for it, more machines might make sense. Legacy makes a CNC that does nothing but spindles. That machine would be a better option if you were turning out lots of balusters and newel posts. But, that's not the type of work the CNC machine shown in the video was designed for. A lot of Legacy owners make custom cabinets and use their CNC to cut the cabinet parts from sheet goods. Many other 4x8 or 5x10 CNCs can do the same. The difference is Legacy owners can easily dress up those cabinets with custom turned barley twist columns. Adding such a feature turns a generic set of cabinets into something much more special. Dressing up cabinets in this way may add only a couple of hours to the build time for a typical set of kitchen cabinets, but Legacy owners can sell their cabinets for much more than cabinets without such flourishes.
So, yeah, it would be great to have more than one machine -- provided both could be kept busy, you had the room, etc. But, having a machine that is more flexible allows you to do higher value work. Such work can bring in more revenue even if your total productivity suffers a bit.
Legacy also offers a machine that carves spindles and other turned projects only.
@@unclebob8746 Yup, I looked at a used one seriously last year before picking up an Avid Pro machine that I plan to add a rotary axis to. I'm just getting started and have no idea how much I'll need to turn, will likely be more 3d carvings than spindles, etc.. so I just want flexibility right now. If I were busier and had a consistent need to turn spindles or anything else then I would be far better off with two machines that can work at the same time vs one that can do everything but only one thing at a time along with changeover. Awesome machine and I'd love to have one, but it's priced at a level where you'd better be running a large volume of work through it, and if you have a large volume of work then it's probably not the ideal machine (vs two separate)...
Which machine today allows you to turn, work off the vice and work the table simultaneously?
What’s your opinion comparing phantom to this machine?
robertgum6823, they are both fantastic machines brother! That would be a tough choice!
I have there 1500 ornamental and to get parts for that machine is impossible because they abandoned there customers who have that machine. When I was looking to buy a cnc I looked long and hard at there machine but seeing how they abandoned me on the ornamental mill I went with a different company that stands by there machinery.
garciarosa100, It sounds like you've had quite a frustrating experience with that machine. It's always important to choose a company that provides solid support and parts for their products. Your decision to go with a different company seems like a wise choice, especially considering your needs.
Yes I bought a ornamental mill 20 years ago and I still use it. But Andy Anderson forgot his roots and no longer supports it. I spent over 3 grand then. Pretty cool but rather take a beating Garrett
ToddElyea, It's great to hear that you're still enjoying your ornamental mill after all these years! It can be frustrating when support for a product fades over time, especially after such a significant investment. Hopefully, you've found ways to make the most out of your mill despite the changes. Happy woodworking!
I try watching your videos time to time but i just can't stand the quality of your audio. It's a super big turn off and bewilders me that it hasn't been addressed in the years you have been doing this. I'll try back in a couple months
Hi Doug. Thanks for your input. Yes there was an audio issue in this one and I was having audio challenges. Always working on it
Want... better save my pennies.
wagsman9999, It's always great to save up for quality tools! Investing in good equipment can really make a difference in the work you produce. Keep saving, and you'll get there!
That's a big jump from a longmill. If one is looking to go pro that's perfect.
Also your mic is too hot. Very distorted.
Johnny, thanks for letting me know about the mic brother! I appreciate it!
Your mic volume/clarity isn’t great
ThomasNorthCastle, sorry about that brother. Ill work on that in the future.
The fact I have to call for a machine quote is thumbs down for me.
Sinopaify, fair enough brother. Good point.
Not that long ago, LEGACY posted their prices. So, the request for quote is a relatively new approach. @@IDCWoodcraft
you need to retire sir.
shelby50411, not yet brother! Im having way too much fun!
I’ve had a Legacy for years. Began with their Explorer 2x2, upgraded to the Maverick 3x5. I had the opportunity to visit their factory, got the full tour, material comes in this door, finished product tested and ships out another door. What impressed me most was the quality of the construction, it is made in the USA, and most importantly when I have an issue, normally self-induced, help is literally a phone call away. Lots of free training videos, plus working with students and other Guild members. I recommend Legacy most highly.
Butch, right on brother! Thank you for sharing your perspective and experience working with your Legacy, it's a great machine!