Man, this Grin guy is really collaborating with Twink Golden Freddy (aka that loser Golden)? This has got to be your worst yet.. In all serious, I did enjoy the production of this video and getting to talk about some of the details in relation to the MK community and other things (such as Tour). With that all said though, Now I can finally catch a break and focus on more creative projects like… idk probably garfield.
I think that the Mario Kart community has found itself in a similar position as Pikmin fans. Mario Kart fans are essentially waiting for any news about a new game in the series, even making their own courses to supplement those needs.
From someone who kinda stumbled into this space at the whims of the TH-cam algorithm, the discourse being less than stellar didnt shock me but the "content farm" nature of some of the rankings ive seen definitely disappointed me a little Analysing why and how you like something isn't the easiest thing to do and doing it for 96 of anything is no easy feat and on average if you see enough its gonna get a little predictable But ive seen my fair share in my own time that just come across as soulless and half baked so i cant imagine that if you're someone who cares a lot about Mario Kart as a whole, it feels like there's no point even trying to engage good video gringill man, keep it up
For what it's worth, lad. You're one of the people who has inspired me the most to push forward. One of the first people who has managed to articulate genuinely intelligent conversation I've not heard despite the degree of which I've sacrificed my life to this silly racing game Whether you think this is a space you belong in or not, I truly and genuinely believe you're one of the best things to happen to MK8 TH-cam. Y̶o̶u̶ k̶n̶o̶w̶ b̶a̶r̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶h̶e̶ e̶x̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ o̶f̶ r̶e̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ v̶i̶d̶e̶o̶s̶
@@TJ-Henry-Yoshi you're too kind, brother, as is everyone else I've interacted with in this community! i dont think ive done anything revolutionary besides just taking the time to refine my takes but im glad that sort of thing is appreciated by most!
*I still remember getting hate for predicting SNES Bowser's Castle 3 not being in Wave 4 but in Wave 6, right before Wii Rainbow Road. It's funny I was right at the end but it sums up the current state of the fandom. Gatekeeping is not okay.*
Glad I wasn't the only one who felt like the community is considerably messier nowadays because of both tour and bcp discourse. But I think things will chill out once we're past the mario kart tour era and all the controversy it brings, and once we get the next true mario kart game... yknow, whenever it finally decides to come out. Overall really enjoyed the video, keep it up!
I've been noticing the tracks Ranked slop. Just like you mentioned, the vids seem to be low quality just for engagement farming. There's also channels that cover a certain game like SMK or Super Circuit, which most reviewers tend to play really bad.
@andrescube64 The "aged poorly" gets used so often, but in reality, it is just that the reviewer doesn't want to put any effort into learning the game.
I'm going to go one step further and say that Nintendo lied about dynamic lighting making it impossible to implement a sunset. The thing about dynamic lighting is this - you're not baking your lighting and shading into your textures, you're actively simulating light beam tracing. Which means your light source can move and you can dynamically adjust its color temperature and luminosity on the fly. And sure, the Switch probably can't handle something like the thousands of simultaneous iterations that you get with RTX raytracing or the "brute force" method used by commercial renderers like Iray or EEVEE, but it can still handle enough iterations to do basic dynamic effects like that - after all, that's what it's doing normally.
Very well done video. I’m glad to see someone go into this topic deeper and explain the situation thoroughly. The community has been a wild ride within the past few years… and I should know cause I’ve experienced all of it LOL
Man, I sure hope people are respectful about my Ice World take. I hope I don't make an entire discord server turn against me because I dislike that track. Man that'd stink, wouldn't it? Over ice world of all tracks.
It's funny watching this video when the Mario Kart Wii community has expanded into Wiimmfi and online play is STILL possible 16 years after the game's release. There is literally a MKWii mod out there that has ALL the retro tracks (DONE BETTER THAN BCP) from SNES to 3DS plus a couple Wii U and Tour (Retro Rewind).
the biggest crime nintendo comitted with the bcp was that they added new tracks and characters, but not new vehicle parts despite having fucking hundreds of them in tour, and god knows that the one thing MK8 lacks is kart variety
Surprised you mentioned wiis meta with funky Kong but not dx’s Waluigi wiggler. I would see people use death threats every time they saw anyone using that combo, it was insane
I have saved all of the "paragraph comments" that I made during the BCP era, and while some of them were misses looking back..I gotta be honest, I was kinda cooking on some parts. Like, 2023 me saying Funky Kong has a higher chance of being in the roster than either Diddy Kong or Pauline simply because Nintendo would want to add the "Mario Kart Wii guy" so they could pander to all of the Mario Kart Wii fans as much as possible... I think I have been onto something with that one.
i always appreciate over analysis of things, so whenever somebody in their 30-40 minute ranking puts gcn yoshi circuit in their top 20 purely because it's shaped like yoshi and then moves on i die inside a little like i feel self concious not thoroughly explaining rank choices otherwise i just leave myself open to being seen as not caring
So like hear me out, Yoshi Circuit is a top 20 track. Not because it's shaped like a yoshi, but because of how good that layout is, plenty shortcuts among that can be taken shroomless if you are good enough at the game, a somewhat challenging layout, and the uniqeness of the layout compared to other Circuit tracks.
God this community sure is SOMETHING. I recorded my tier list back in December of last year because I got insanely tired of half-assed, bare-bones takes based not even remotely on evidence and although the continued oversaturation has pushed me to improve as a creator in more ways than I ever expected. In the world of track design, there genuinely is so much to talk about, but instead most people aren't MANIACS like me who put 1k+ hours into this game to tell you the nuance of how every single one of these tracks plays. I wanted to make the first tier list that uses careful observation and experience to really see what each of these tracks do for the game balance-wise, but at this point I can't help but wonder if I'm just another "so-called free thinker" who's contributed to this oversaturation.
In my other comment, I mentioned that Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed introduced the concept of dynamic tracks to the kart racing genre. Thing is, SEGA got it right the first time, and when Nintendo tried to copy it with the city tracks from Tour they screwed up big time. You see, with SEGA's implementation, the track _actively_ changes. For example, Sky Sanctuary crumbles around you as the race goes on, almost like Grumble Volcano actually, though the slowly crumbling track actually changes the route you take through the structures rather than simply adding more hazards. But then on the third lap, the entire course has fallen apart and now you're in flight mode for the third lap following the route of first lap except for where the course would go inside the sanctuary structures. And these changes to the structure of the course make it physically impossible to get lost. Nintendo could have followed this example (to a less dramatic degree) and made it so that roadblocks start to appear along the course or draw bridges open to block off the road, while things clear up in other areas to reveal new routes. But instead they just used arrows.
Well this wasnt what i expected to watch when i first clicked on the video. I'm a "competitive" time trialer across the entire series and when i saw "96 track rankings" in the thumbnail i thought you were gonna talk about the fiasco of the community trying to figure out how to expand their time trial rankings for all the new tracks and all the controversy that came from the balance patches in waves 4 and 5 that fundamentally changed the entire meta™. Still i really enjoyed listening to this and getting a slightly more casual? take on things? I mean, all of us in the communities were gunning for our own tracks to make it and hating on tour just like everyone else but you did bring up some points I didn't think about. Also i was an early alpha tester for Tour and WOW i did not like that game and haven't given it another chance since. I might be wrong but I'm okay with that! Great video, makes me want to get back to karting content again myself.
idk, I'm happy just being oblivious to all the drama and enjoying the new tracks, maybe discussing it with my friends I feel like you're probably just gonna make yourself miserable if you're constantly fighting with people about this stuff (although, i can't speak for everyone, some probably enjoy the discourse but tbh I would rather stay out of it)
When I got the Wii back in 2007 or whatever, I used motion steering for probably 3 years before my friend came over and asked why I wasn’t using a nunchuck😂 didn’t even know that was an option
This is a really well made video, in my opinion, I personally think that the BCP hype cycle is just a more tame version of Smash Ultimate's hype cycle in terms of speculation, and honestly I can't wait to see what's in store for the future of Mario Kart!
It's kinda funny. Nintendo goes on and on about not being able to do anything new with F-Zero, yet it's Mario Kart that's becoming stale. Granted, that's partially because F-Zero hasn't had a new game (not counting 99 which is just a 99 player battle royal version of the SNES game for the most part) since Climax, but if you look at games like Aero GPX and XF eXtreme Formula there are definitely fresh directions that F-Zero can be taken in and that's not including the possibility of expanding the custom vehicle options first introduced in the F-Zero X expansion kit and later used in GX into a full-on CAC based campaign. Meanwhile, the most significant innovation we've had in the kart racing genre in the past decade wasn't even in a Mario Kart game, and that's the dynamically changing tracks of Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed.
As someone whose been rather critical of Mario Kart fans since the BCP era, largely in part to how much of it reminded me of the god awful Fighters Pass era albeit not as bad, I think this is a great video. However it doesn't address one of my personal concerns, which is with the characters. You nailed the discourse over tracks perfectly fine, but the discourse over the roster... I witnessed firsthand Mario Kart fans adopting some of the same arguments as Smash fans. For example, any time someone puts Geno on their roster, they get hit with the argument "nobody cares about Geno" which is an argument that only started because Geno got revealed as a Mii Costume in Ultimate. Heck any time the RPG characters, be it Geno, Fawful, or Vivian, are put on someone's fake roster period it's hit with waves of harassment from what I've seen. Like sure some people claim to fix the roster, but others are just making their own fun what ifs and getting put on blast for it. I personally don't like gatekeeping, so even though these characters aren't likely anytime soon I don't think there's a reason to constantly force the idea they'll never happen. When it comes to these roster what ifs, largely from the "I fixed it" crowd, there's also arguments over which characters count as filler and which don't, like for some reason some people see it fine to have Baby Mario and Luigi, but not the Koopalings and they get really heated about it, often making their only compromise to make them alts of Jr. like in Smash even though they all have completely different weight classes and body shapes. It's a whole mess really, especially when the Nintendo Kart discussion gets involved, which I'm personally very against.
nice video, you covered the discourse perfectly! as a diehard MKWii fan i was hoping for a few more tracks in other games, but at the end of the day they're mario kart tracks and i'm gonna play them anyway lol
Regarding the pre-DS/Wii era, check out Geek Critique's video, Mario Kart Double Dash: Losing the Narrative. It's not the main focus but it talks about the community opinion of Double Dash, 64, and Super at the time.
If MKWii = Melee, then MK8DX = Ultimate. There is a lot of beloved content from the franchise but the "sanity" of the game's basic handling makes it bland to me.
The current state of the Mario Kart community isn't too surprising, given the state of most online fandoms in the modern day. Just look at Pokemon or Star Wars.
I clicked off of this video because of the first part around the time it dropped and nine days later I'm clicking back on it and realizing that it was a bit 😭
So my 2 cents on the DLC courses and packs: 1) I was extremely disappointed with the art direction and visual quality of the added tracks. They give a toy feel from Tour that is objectively a lower quality. The fact that there isn't a consistent art direction is also unappealing. Not to mention, I dont like the fact that the added tracks also took a hit gameplay-wise that doesn't resemble the courses in their original games (minus Tour. Tours' gameplay just sucks). 2) Regarding the point about the number of Wii tracks and the Wii focus: I think it has to do with MKWii, in the current year, still having a massive modding and competitive scene. And I guarantee Nintendo hates that fact, and they desperately want to move those players to MK8 Deluxe. But due to the gameplay of modern MK, those players will not budge. The quality of the added Wii tracks is also not convincing them. And tbh, the only Mario Kart content I watch is from MKWii. Any time I do watch MK8 gameplay, I feel like im going to have a seizure from the item spam and the visuals of the tracks.
Nintendo doesn’t give a sh*t about mkwii players LMAO. Why attract like 3000 people when you can appeal to casuals and gain millions? Most casuals (the major selling point) don’t care about the track’s visuals and just want some extra content, so Nintendo doesn’t really need to try at all.
@@madrid_drive_enjoyer advertising? Sell more consoles? Maybe they don't care. But I guarantee they would rather you spend money and attention on their current systems and games rather than an old game from the 2000s.
@@asadburden1621 Very sorry for the aggression, I’m just tired of people saying Nintendo actually cares about their older games and whoever plays them. It’s just wrong because if they DID care, well RIP mkwii community.
But i love Peachette, Rosalina Ice World, Shroom Ridge, Daisy Circuit and Wii's classic controller, come on. >:( On Mario Kart Tour, say what you want on that game but i really love seeing characters in different costumes though and i like the city tracks.
I had fun with some of the Booster Course Pass like a few tracks (Ninja Hideaway, Sydney Sprint, Yoshi's Island, GCN Waluigi Stadium and SNES Bowser's Castle 3 quickly became some my favorites) and the banger of an OST it has, I will 100% admit that this DLC was pretty bad. It feels like Nintendo had no idea what they were doing and just threw a hunch of Tour stuff in a blender, hoping for a good outcome.
I mean, I had fun doing my track rankings without the impact of other's influences during the process. After viewing one 96 ranking video, I was more like: I should probably not watch any more until I actually do my own so external bias doesn't change my opinions midway through! lol In the end, as long as you're having fun ranking what you love just as a cool exercise, isn't that the point? :)
Fun fact: If you include the games' respective retros, Mario Kart 7 actually had one more track return somewhere in Mario Kart 8 than Mario Kart Wii. Mario Kart 7 had 16 tracks come back while Wii had 15. Sorry Wii stans
A bit late but I don’t know man, there are plenty of tracks in Deluxe that are worse than Toad Circuit. I would go as far as to say that Toad Circuit is not even a bottom 10 track is you have courses such as Sky High Sundae, Toad’s Turnpike, N64 Rainbow Road, Baby Park, Excitebike Arena, Kalamari Desert, Mute City, Choco Mountain, Rock Rock Mountain, Tokyo Blur, and Paris Promenade.
I kind of feel like Nintendo is including tracks people don't really remember to try and make them like them, so they don't eventually run out of fan favourite tracks and just have junk left over. "Shroom Ridge! You remember that don't you? You loved that track back in the day, of course you did!".
DID YOU JUST SAY DS TRACKS ARE NOT AL GOOD?? neighter are wiis id argue ds tracks selection is better airship fortess, ticktock clock, dk pass, bowsers castle, peach gardens
Am I the ONLY person who actually thinks Peachette is cool? They didn't need to give her unique voice lines, they could have just reused Peach, yet they made her sound slightly more like Toadette anyway. Nobody appreciates her. :(
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Man, this Grin guy is really collaborating with Twink Golden Freddy (aka that loser Golden)? This has got to be your worst yet..
In all serious, I did enjoy the production of this video and getting to talk about some of the details in relation to the MK community and other things (such as Tour). With that all said though, Now I can finally catch a break and focus on more creative projects like… idk probably garfield.
Rank every track coin placement
Madrid Drive hidden coin ring 10/10
every individual coin too
i love gd cologne
The "I paused my game to be here" shirt was the best possible shirt you could use lmao
I think that the Mario Kart community has found itself in a similar position as Pikmin fans. Mario Kart fans are essentially waiting for any news about a new game in the series, even making their own courses to supplement those needs.
Idk if making courses is a response to not having a sequel considering how immensely popular the Wii Custom Tracks are
I think people make fan content regardless of if they're waiting for a new game or not
At least the mario kart community didn't go crazy like pikmin.
pikmin literally just got a new game
@@oinkitysploink2213 last year
From someone who kinda stumbled into this space at the whims of the TH-cam algorithm, the discourse being less than stellar didnt shock me but the "content farm" nature of some of the rankings ive seen definitely disappointed me a little
Analysing why and how you like something isn't the easiest thing to do and doing it for 96 of anything is no easy feat and on average if you see enough its gonna get a little predictable
But ive seen my fair share in my own time that just come across as soulless and half baked so i cant imagine that if you're someone who cares a lot about Mario Kart as a whole, it feels like there's no point even trying to engage
good video gringill man, keep it up
For what it's worth, lad. You're one of the people who has inspired me the most to push forward.
One of the first people who has managed to articulate genuinely intelligent conversation I've not heard despite the degree of which I've sacrificed my life to this silly racing game
Whether you think this is a space you belong in or not, I truly and genuinely believe you're one of the best things to happen to MK8 TH-cam.
Y̶o̶u̶ k̶n̶o̶w̶ b̶a̶r̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶h̶e̶ e̶x̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ o̶f̶ r̶e̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ v̶i̶d̶e̶o̶s̶
@@TJ-Henry-Yoshi you're too kind, brother, as is everyone else I've interacted with in this community!
i dont think ive done anything revolutionary besides just taking the time to refine my takes but im glad that sort of thing is appreciated by most!
But we can all agree that Toad's Turnpike as a battle course is G Tier
I'll wait for someone else to say it
Schaffrillas fan?
*I still remember getting hate for predicting SNES Bowser's Castle 3 not being in Wave 4 but in Wave 6, right before Wii Rainbow Road. It's funny I was right at the end but it sums up the current state of the fandom. Gatekeeping is not okay.*
Glad I wasn't the only one who felt like the community is considerably messier nowadays because of both tour and bcp discourse. But I think things will chill out once we're past the mario kart tour era and all the controversy it brings, and once we get the next true mario kart game... yknow, whenever it finally decides to come out.
Overall really enjoyed the video, keep it up!
oh my gadness it’s him!!
I've been noticing the tracks Ranked slop. Just like you mentioned, the vids seem to be low quality just for engagement farming. There's also channels that cover a certain game like SMK or Super Circuit, which most reviewers tend to play really bad.
I agree, I feel like SMK or super circuit tend to get the crap end of the stick. I really super circuit so it’s a shame
@andrescube64 The "aged poorly" gets used so often, but in reality, it is just that the reviewer doesn't want to put any effort into learning the game.
You could say that the current state of this community is FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED
Why don't we all shut up until the next game releases, and then after that we can eat glass or whatever.
Oh yeah, I love eating glass!
i agree, torperator
mmm, glass,
Give me TTA Coins
man ive been craving some crunchy glass
“You don’t understand I have to talk about the same 96 tracks just like everyone else!”
Right 😂
3:38 i love how there's innocent music and then bro says in a post apocalyptic voice
*"The beggining of the end"*
gee! i sure hope this “Bradtendo” has “good takes” and doesnt put my favourite track “3DS Rainbow Road” in “96th place”!
I agree 3ds rainbow road is peak
At least he didn't put Toad Circuit last
I'm going to go one step further and say that Nintendo lied about dynamic lighting making it impossible to implement a sunset. The thing about dynamic lighting is this - you're not baking your lighting and shading into your textures, you're actively simulating light beam tracing. Which means your light source can move and you can dynamically adjust its color temperature and luminosity on the fly. And sure, the Switch probably can't handle something like the thousands of simultaneous iterations that you get with RTX raytracing or the "brute force" method used by commercial renderers like Iray or EEVEE, but it can still handle enough iterations to do basic dynamic effects like that - after all, that's what it's doing normally.
Very well done video. I’m glad to see someone go into this topic deeper and explain the situation thoroughly. The community has been a wild ride within the past few years… and I should know cause I’ve experienced all of it LOL
Man, I sure hope people are respectful about my Ice World take. I hope I don't make an entire discord server turn against me because I dislike that track. Man that'd stink, wouldn't it? Over ice world of all tracks.
That place would eat you alive for like the slightest dissent.
Wait, people defend Rosalina's Ice World?
It's funny watching this video when the Mario Kart Wii community has expanded into Wiimmfi and online play is STILL possible 16 years after the game's release.
There is literally a MKWii mod out there that has ALL the retro tracks (DONE BETTER THAN BCP) from SNES to 3DS plus a couple Wii U and Tour (Retro Rewind).
the biggest crime nintendo comitted with the bcp was that they added new tracks and characters, but not new vehicle parts despite having fucking hundreds of them in tour, and god knows that the one thing MK8 lacks is kart variety
Surprised you mentioned wiis meta with funky Kong but not dx’s Waluigi wiggler. I would see people use death threats every time they saw anyone using that combo, it was insane
@@YeethanFrog wHAT???
And now that hate is directed towards Yoshi
I have saved all of the "paragraph comments" that I made during the BCP era, and while some of them were misses looking back..I gotta be honest, I was kinda cooking on some parts.
Like, 2023 me saying Funky Kong has a higher chance of being in the roster than either Diddy Kong or Pauline simply because Nintendo would want to add the "Mario Kart Wii guy" so they could pander to all of the Mario Kart Wii fans as much as possible... I think I have been onto something with that one.
i always appreciate over analysis of things, so whenever somebody in their 30-40 minute ranking puts gcn yoshi circuit in their top 20 purely because it's shaped like yoshi and then moves on i die inside a little like i feel self concious not thoroughly explaining rank choices otherwise i just leave myself open to being seen as not caring
So like hear me out, Yoshi Circuit is a top 20 track. Not because it's shaped like a yoshi, but because of how good that layout is, plenty shortcuts among that can be taken shroomless if you are good enough at the game, a somewhat challenging layout, and the uniqeness of the layout compared to other Circuit tracks.
God this community sure is SOMETHING.
I recorded my tier list back in December of last year because I got insanely tired of half-assed, bare-bones takes based not even remotely on evidence and although the continued oversaturation has pushed me to improve as a creator in more ways than I ever expected.
In the world of track design, there genuinely is so much to talk about, but instead most people aren't MANIACS like me who put 1k+ hours into this game to tell you the nuance of how every single one of these tracks plays.
I wanted to make the first tier list that uses careful observation and experience to really see what each of these tracks do for the game balance-wise, but at this point I can't help but wonder if I'm just another "so-called free thinker" who's contributed to this oversaturation.
To some people, you'd be another of the free-thinkers. Sadly, you cannot argue with the internet so do what makes you happy.
I have 1K+ hours as well, I'm getting closer to 2K hours
I don't think I've seen your vids before so not knowing the intro was a parody made me recoil lmao
In my other comment, I mentioned that Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed introduced the concept of dynamic tracks to the kart racing genre. Thing is, SEGA got it right the first time, and when Nintendo tried to copy it with the city tracks from Tour they screwed up big time. You see, with SEGA's implementation, the track _actively_ changes. For example, Sky Sanctuary crumbles around you as the race goes on, almost like Grumble Volcano actually, though the slowly crumbling track actually changes the route you take through the structures rather than simply adding more hazards. But then on the third lap, the entire course has fallen apart and now you're in flight mode for the third lap following the route of first lap except for where the course would go inside the sanctuary structures. And these changes to the structure of the course make it physically impossible to get lost. Nintendo could have followed this example (to a less dramatic degree) and made it so that roadblocks start to appear along the course or draw bridges open to block off the road, while things clear up in other areas to reveal new routes. But instead they just used arrows.
Well this wasnt what i expected to watch when i first clicked on the video. I'm a "competitive" time trialer across the entire series and when i saw "96 track rankings" in the thumbnail i thought you were gonna talk about the fiasco of the community trying to figure out how to expand their time trial rankings for all the new tracks and all the controversy that came from the balance patches in waves 4 and 5 that fundamentally changed the entire meta™.
Still i really enjoyed listening to this and getting a slightly more casual? take on things? I mean, all of us in the communities were gunning for our own tracks to make it and hating on tour just like everyone else but you did bring up some points I didn't think about.
Also i was an early alpha tester for Tour and WOW i did not like that game and haven't given it another chance since. I might be wrong but I'm okay with that!
Great video, makes me want to get back to karting content again myself.
Yeah this is spot on. Appreciate the quality you put into this!
There was a pair of videos I found recently that discussed the tracks that hadn’t returned in any game yet, and I really liked those
The Wii Star Cup is now the first cup to have all its tracks remade
idk, I'm happy just being oblivious to all the drama and enjoying the new tracks, maybe discussing it with my friends
I feel like you're probably just gonna make yourself miserable if you're constantly fighting with people about this stuff
(although, i can't speak for everyone, some probably enjoy the discourse but tbh I would rather stay out of it)
I still have god damn ptsd from rosalina land.. that god damn track was a nightmare in 7
Missed opportunity to talk about the balance patches wave 4 brought about
Great video otherwise! Holy did things get quite decisive.
I still see the teddies in my sleep
When I got the Wii back in 2007 or whatever, I used motion steering for probably 3 years before my friend came over and asked why I wasn’t using a nunchuck😂 didn’t even know that was an option
Holy crap, a brad collab AND a video about the mario kart community??? 🤯🤯🤯
This is a really well made video, in my opinion, I personally think that the BCP hype cycle is just a more tame version of Smash Ultimate's hype cycle in terms of speculation, and honestly I can't wait to see what's in store for the future of Mario Kart!
It's kinda funny. Nintendo goes on and on about not being able to do anything new with F-Zero, yet it's Mario Kart that's becoming stale. Granted, that's partially because F-Zero hasn't had a new game (not counting 99 which is just a 99 player battle royal version of the SNES game for the most part) since Climax, but if you look at games like Aero GPX and XF eXtreme Formula there are definitely fresh directions that F-Zero can be taken in and that's not including the possibility of expanding the custom vehicle options first introduced in the F-Zero X expansion kit and later used in GX into a full-on CAC based campaign. Meanwhile, the most significant innovation we've had in the kart racing genre in the past decade wasn't even in a Mario Kart game, and that's the dynamically changing tracks of Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed.
35:24 so you're just gonna drop a work of art and not share the download to the rest of the world
my hot take is that riverside park is the best track in the booster course pass
As someone whose been rather critical of Mario Kart fans since the BCP era, largely in part to how much of it reminded me of the god awful Fighters Pass era albeit not as bad, I think this is a great video. However it doesn't address one of my personal concerns, which is with the characters. You nailed the discourse over tracks perfectly fine, but the discourse over the roster... I witnessed firsthand Mario Kart fans adopting some of the same arguments as Smash fans. For example, any time someone puts Geno on their roster, they get hit with the argument "nobody cares about Geno" which is an argument that only started because Geno got revealed as a Mii Costume in Ultimate. Heck any time the RPG characters, be it Geno, Fawful, or Vivian, are put on someone's fake roster period it's hit with waves of harassment from what I've seen. Like sure some people claim to fix the roster, but others are just making their own fun what ifs and getting put on blast for it. I personally don't like gatekeeping, so even though these characters aren't likely anytime soon I don't think there's a reason to constantly force the idea they'll never happen. When it comes to these roster what ifs, largely from the "I fixed it" crowd, there's also arguments over which characters count as filler and which don't, like for some reason some people see it fine to have Baby Mario and Luigi, but not the Koopalings and they get really heated about it, often making their only compromise to make them alts of Jr. like in Smash even though they all have completely different weight classes and body shapes. It's a whole mess really, especially when the Nintendo Kart discussion gets involved, which I'm personally very against.
i hate people with tendo at the end of their name
The mario kart community got worse because the internet at large became horrific about three years ago
how old are you? the internet has BEEN horrific, even before covid
It’s been 10 years Mario kart 8 came out on the Wii U like come on Nintendo 🙁😔😔
If I recall correctly, I believe someone told me to kill myself over my 96 track ranking tier list…
WHAT...
Mario Kart 64 having such huge skips made it transcend competition and it went full circle back to casual glitchfest and also battle mode existed
nice video, you covered the discourse perfectly! as a diehard MKWii fan i was hoping for a few more tracks in other games, but at the end of the day they're mario kart tracks and i'm gonna play them anyway lol
I played MKWii solely with Motion controls. i liked the idea of turning the wheel. i also had the plastic wheel included with the game
Honestly i can get behind a tier list like that
I think we’re all just waiting for the next Mario Kart game and the switch 2 at this point.
What over 10 years of no new game does to a community
Let me iterate an opinion I held about the BCP. Mario Kart 8 cannibalized the entire fucking franchise!
How does this nkt have more views? Great video
For the people saying that Pipeline will be in 9, just give up, the copium’s already seeping in
What makes you think it's NOT gonna be in 9/10/X/ whatever the next game is
fundamentally WHAT!?
38:31 This part legit caught me so off guard I almost spat out the food I was eating
Regarding the pre-DS/Wii era, check out Geek Critique's video, Mario Kart Double Dash: Losing the Narrative.
It's not the main focus but it talks about the community opinion of Double Dash, 64, and Super at the time.
If MKWii = Melee, then MK8DX = Ultimate. There is a lot of beloved content from the franchise but the "sanity" of the game's basic handling makes it bland to me.
The current state of the Mario Kart community isn't too surprising, given the state of most online fandoms in the modern day. Just look at Pokemon or Star Wars.
I clicked off of this video because of the first part around the time it dropped and nine days later I'm clicking back on it and realizing that it was a bit 😭
Wait, thats this guys actual voice and not just a hyper self aware yet cringe parody of children? Eww
Is that your golden Freddy sona
why, I’m flattered!
I think you’re the second person that compared my character to Golden Freddy.
The booster pass looks like shit compared to base game yall can forgive it but I will never
So my 2 cents on the DLC courses and packs:
1) I was extremely disappointed with the art direction and visual quality of the added tracks. They give a toy feel from Tour that is objectively a lower quality. The fact that there isn't a consistent art direction is also unappealing. Not to mention, I dont like the fact that the added tracks also took a hit gameplay-wise that doesn't resemble the courses in their original games (minus Tour. Tours' gameplay just sucks).
2) Regarding the point about the number of Wii tracks and the Wii focus: I think it has to do with MKWii, in the current year, still having a massive modding and competitive scene. And I guarantee Nintendo hates that fact, and they desperately want to move those players to MK8 Deluxe. But due to the gameplay of modern MK, those players will not budge. The quality of the added Wii tracks is also not convincing them.
And tbh, the only Mario Kart content I watch is from MKWii. Any time I do watch MK8 gameplay, I feel like im going to have a seizure from the item spam and the visuals of the tracks.
Nintendo doesn’t give a sh*t about mkwii players LMAO. Why attract like 3000 people when you can appeal to casuals and gain millions? Most casuals (the major selling point) don’t care about the track’s visuals and just want some extra content, so Nintendo doesn’t really need to try at all.
@@madrid_drive_enjoyer advertising? Sell more consoles? Maybe they don't care. But I guarantee they would rather you spend money and attention on their current systems and games rather than an old game from the 2000s.
@@asadburden1621 No sh*t. Plus Nintendo’s inactivity in mkwii is the reason CTGP and the modding community is thriving so be grateful for that
@madrid_drive_enjoyer why are you disagreeing with me and being so hostile then?
@@asadburden1621 Very sorry for the aggression, I’m just tired of people saying Nintendo actually cares about their older games and whoever plays them. It’s just wrong because if they DID care, well RIP mkwii community.
I main Mii outfit A in mkwii, even on online.
41:03 made me die in laughter
But i love Peachette, Rosalina Ice World, Shroom Ridge, Daisy Circuit and Wii's classic controller, come on. >:(
On Mario Kart Tour, say what you want on that game but i really love seeing characters in different costumes though and i like the city tracks.
I love Mario Kart :)
But seriously, there was no reason Airship Fortress should not have been included.
I had fun with some of the Booster Course Pass like a few tracks (Ninja Hideaway, Sydney Sprint, Yoshi's Island, GCN Waluigi Stadium and SNES Bowser's Castle 3 quickly became some my favorites) and the banger of an OST it has, I will 100% admit that this DLC was pretty bad. It feels like Nintendo had no idea what they were doing and just threw a hunch of Tour stuff in a blender, hoping for a good outcome.
didnty talk about bagging smh
3:40 scott the woz?
Your not the only one who loves super circuit
26:24 THATS WHAT IM SAYING
As someone who did a 96 track ranking, this vid is 100% right ngl
Don’t be hating on the DS tracks
I mean, I had fun doing my track rankings without the impact of other's influences during the process. After viewing one 96 ranking video, I was more like: I should probably not watch any more until I actually do my own so external bias doesn't change my opinions midway through! lol In the end, as long as you're having fun ranking what you love just as a cool exercise, isn't that the point? :)
13:09
Ay, I’m playing the Delta emulator right now!
Fun fact: If you include the games' respective retros, Mario Kart 7 actually had one more track return somewhere in Mario Kart 8 than Mario Kart Wii. Mario Kart 7 had 16 tracks come back while Wii had 15. Sorry Wii stans
Now rank every Mario Kart Live Home Circuit track
How
Wh… what..?
R.I.P Piranha plant pipeline
It may be bastardized in Tour, but I am still very salty Airship Fortress was omitted from the BCP over DS Mario Circuit.
Moral of the story: If you rank Toad Circuit above 96th on your MK8 course ranking, may god have mercy on your soul
Up theirs
A bit late but I don’t know man, there are plenty of tracks in Deluxe that are worse than Toad Circuit. I would go as far as to say that Toad Circuit is not even a bottom 10 track is you have courses such as Sky High Sundae, Toad’s Turnpike, N64 Rainbow Road, Baby Park, Excitebike Arena, Kalamari Desert, Mute City, Choco Mountain, Rock Rock Mountain, Tokyo Blur, and Paris Promenade.
super circuit is awesome
also piranha plant pipeline deserved better
Bradtendo seems to be my type of guy
Mario Kart sucks play a real game like Garfield Kart
Or Crash team racing!
Based
Or Shrek swamp kart speedway for GBA!
Dreamworks Speedway!1!1!!1
M&Ms cart racing better
My MKX Predictions I guess
Shell Cup
SNES Mario Circuit 4
N64 Frappe Snowland
Wii Toad's Factory
3DS Wuhu Loop
Banana Cup
GBA Cheep Cheep Island
Wii U Toad Harbor
GCN Mushroom Bridge
N64 Banshee Boardwalk
Leaf Cup
N64 Wario Stadium
3DS Wario Shipyard
DS DK Pass
Wii U Electrodrome
Lightning Cup
Wii Dry Dry Ruins
DS Airship Fortress
GCN Bowser Castle
GBA Rainbow Road
DLC
7 Nitro Tracks + Piranha Plant Pipeline
DLC Retro Cup 1
DS Delfino Square
N64 DK Jungle Parkway
GCN Mushroom City
Wii U Mount Wario
DLC Retro Cup 2
3DS Maka Wuhu
DS Desert Hills
GCN Wario Colosseum
GBA Bowser Castle 4
Retro Battle Tracks
Switch Battle Stadium
N64 Double Deck
3DS Honeybee Hive
Wii Funky Stadium
DS Tart Top
3DS Sherbert Rink
Wii Delfino Pier
Switch Lunar Colany
GCN Tilt-a-Kart
Wii Thwomp Desert
I feel like this video goes on about the BCP way too long
32:53 missed oppertunity for literally anything else (very sad shy guy bazaar didnt make it)
New sub, plz do more vids like this 😂🔥🔥
I kind of feel like Nintendo is including tracks people don't really remember to try and make them like them, so they don't eventually run out of fan favourite tracks and just have junk left over. "Shroom Ridge! You remember that don't you? You loved that track back in the day, of course you did!".
Rosalina Iceworld is not mediocre >:(
What is that song you use in the outro?
Hot take: I absolutely fucking hate Koopa Cape
@Brad766- sexiest Pokémon?
Still waiting for mariokart Wii 2 to come out
Y’all should take a look into the geometry dash community LOL
I personally have had a pretty rough experience with this fanbase, so IDK, but it seemed kinda chromosome heavy
DID YOU JUST SAY DS TRACKS ARE NOT AL GOOD?? neighter are wiis id argue ds tracks selection is better airship fortess, ticktock clock, dk pass, bowsers castle, peach gardens
I dont disagree w the teirlist but i dont disagree either
$25 dollers?????????? Glad I passed
Haha, funny racing game go brrrrr
Am I the ONLY person who actually thinks Peachette is cool? They didn't need to give her unique voice lines, they could have just reused Peach, yet they made her sound slightly more like Toadette anyway. Nobody appreciates her. :(