I remember I was playing Street Fighter V in a small tournament at a gaming convention when some old dude came up and started trashing the game. He literally said that this wasn’t SF and that it was a Marvel game because you could land a combo before a character hit the ground. After the tournament I saw this dude on a Super Turbo cab playing by himself. I never want to be that dude.
People may make fun of me for this but I keep a journal just to practice my articulation and to make sure I have my ideas sorted in my head before it leaves my mouth. Honestly it's something I always felt I needed to improve upon so I could help improve the discussion rather than completely ruin any possible discourse with a poorly made point. Journals is a training mode that allow us to have gcs (good conversations) Sorry... not sorry for the cringe with that last joke...
Confession: I was a big SFV hater and I can tell you it didn't matter why, I just did. I could easily articulate why I didn't like it. It was because I couldn't play my SFIV main the same way in SFV. Articulating it wasn't going to change anything because the game still didn't resonate with me. Took me a while to realize that my negativity was bringing both me and the people who liked the game down and that wasn't fair so I stopped. The lesson learned was that my reasons for disliking a game were personal and didn't really fit into any type of productive discourse surrounding SFV. Me preferring a playstyle in a previous title is a moot point because that previous title still exists. So I guess the problem is that people just need to buck up and accept that not all FGs are going to be for them and that's okay.
I was on this stream. I've been exposed to Majin Obama content for much less than i've been exposed to other content creators, and man, he is the best. Not even hyperbole. He has the mix of gameplay, quality content, charisma and sense of humor that makes legends. In an alternate reality, Majin Obama got bought by Mixer for millions of dollars instead of Ninja.
Honestly I value videos like this, or Kizzie's video about what changes he wants with Strive. Twitter is a garbage medium to have these kinds of discussions but unfortunately it's the dominant medium.
The lack of clarity is a problem ive found that the fgc WAY more than it thinks it does. Its not just old players, lk released his “which guilty gear character is for you video” and i noticed the only reason i understood the video is my experience in the fgc and the gg series. True newcomers have 0% idea what fgc ppl are saying for a long time, until they commit to fighting games for a while. Another major thing to keep in mind is most people who listen to you obama, dont write comments. The loud minority of people just react in the most exciting ways their brains can come up with and misunderstand. They think they need to put alternate opinions in a box they already know, instead of just making their box bigger/having more boxes. Ive always listened to you, its just the vision arcsys has in turning a gg into a franchise isnt fun for you, we can try to analyze further but we dont have to. I think one way to put it is that fighting games at their base are the sport of fighting, and then they become the instrument of playing the character, with their crazy amount of options. Strive definitely emphasizes the base sport aspect and cuts out the music as much as possible. My ability to click with fighting games relies on this. Strive is betting its the same way with more people. I know you’ve read my comments the past year, this is an opportunity to get people into understanding fighting games. More player base, more tournament spectators, more everything. Work both sides of the problem, you are spreading awareness for the need for clarity, while strive teaches basic concepts and gives people a fun way to gain experience and understanding. Makes sense gamers are soft, lets not kid ourselves, our favorite hobby is beating people up/ killing them for fake. And in no way am I implying that its obama’s responsibility to participate in the opportunity strive presents and makes content in strive that explains basics. Sounds to me like obama is tired of being a teacher.
Oh God yeah, there's the assumption in many cases that someone watching "beginner guide" has any idea about frame traps and +/- advantage and option selects. When what a beginner is really looking for is what is my easy bnb and what button do I crutch
I remember the first time I heard about a safe jump way back it made no sense to me because rather than play it out frame by frame all I thought was "but dp should beat jC" etc. Things need explaining before they click.
People that have been doing something for a long time or that play at a high level lose the ability to explain concepts because they have them so internalized and second nature they take it for granted
This man spitting facts. It irks me when people have legitimate concerns that they want to voice, then you have apologists shoot them down for a multitude of reasons. Great video as always, man!
Big part of it is just the nature of online interactions. Everyone wants their 5 seconds of validation. From the old ST player saying SF4 is "nothing but mashing." To the SFV player that answers any criticism about their chosen game with, "Lol ok boomer". No one takes the time to think and to clearly express an idea.
"Hearing vs listening". That's an important difference. Also, yeah, if you can't articulate yourself well enough, people may just never understand what you mean and just write you off as not knowing what you're saying.
This is an issue with any feedback when it comes to video games - when we test stuff out, we have to train ourselves to really understand what they are TRYING to say. "This section feels long / repetitive." - could literally mean the music is looping too quickly. Or whatever. It's hard AF to balance a game. Articulation definitely isn't something that everyone is going to take the time to learn how to do -especially when emotions are involved.
Like a game? Shill Dislike a game? Just a hater One of the reasons why I don't get into these types of discussions. I'll play Strive when it comes out but if people don't like it then they don't. Some people just take different opinions as an attack on their own.
Obama: Don't lump me in with xyz group. Also Obama: 5 seconds later lumps everybody else together by saying "right off the bat everybody's like...". I'm older than most ppl here and while I completely agree with everything Obama's saying here about the misconception, let's be real. EVERYBODY judges and lumps other people together every single day. Ain't nobody likes it, but ain't nobody immune to it nor does anybody pass up the chance to do it themselves. We just now live in a time where there's more repercussions if it goes too far, but nothing's really changed with the act of judgement. People gonna be people. Some maybe do it more silently in today's world, but not a single one of us is above it. If any of us were, then the term godlike might actually mean something outside of a video game.
honestly, i think this is a gamer problem, not just an older player problem. what's the first thing people, young and old, say when they encounter something they dont understand yet but seems strong? "THAT'S OP!". what do they say when it doesn't work the way they think? "THIS IS TRASH". what happens when a character gets a single balance change? "THIS CHARACTER IS S TIER/TRASH NOW!" gamers are not good at nuance, everything is either OP or trash
The easiest way to dismiss someone's argument is to lump that person in with a group you've already dismissed. The Art of the Debate in 2021. I'm also trying to figure out if this is an old players thing or a players thing. Fortunately I don't interact with any of the FGC beyond watching YT vids so I'll never know. Who doesn't like a good mystery.
“Reversal Window” “buffer” “block string” … as a so called “old head” , started playing when I was 12 with SF2 CE when it came out on arcade, so literally 30 years ago. These are words we never used, at least not any arcade I played in as a kid. I am speaking for myself, as I didn’t get into fighting games much after Super Turbo. when I picked up SF4 and SF5 I thought that those games played much “slower”. And what you said about precision is spot on. I didn’t understand or could really explain in the terms you used as I never heard or used those terms before. “Slower” was the only way I could describe it. My son got into fighting games and I started playing more with him and I had an epiphany when I noticed the combos in 5. Like I can literally do the combo and be done with the input way before it even displayed on the screen and it would still come out. The lack of precision blew my mind and at that moment I realized why I didn’t gravitate to SF4 and SF5. Everything I learned as a kid for years changed. Terms like “frame data “ “plus 2 on block” and all this other stuff you mentioned came about. The games became more math and data and less reaction per se, if that makes sense. If the “old heads” and “new heads” could just get their egos out of the way, so much can be learned from both sides.
I want to give you props on your comedic timing. That Ensure line was funny as fuck, and it's doubly impressive you were able to come up with it on the fly in a stream.
The Abe Simpson Factor really kicked in for me around 2017-8 when the anime community really started taking over. The whole mood changed and what they were into was completely alien to me, and the more I tried to understand it, the more confused I became.
This is why I choose to remove myself from any discourse these days Also, Obama, when/at what time do you stream? I really dig these talks, man, I'd like to see more
Nuance with everything! It'd be great if some of the real heads in the FGC could create a show similar to I AM ATHLETE. It takes certain people to have these certain kinds of conversations and let it have weight. FGC has an incredibly diverse, insightful group that not every gaming community has. It'd be dope to see it get its shine!
I’ve learned so much about how fighting game systems interact and change the gameplay experience from genuinely listening to peoples complaints about games. Sometimes I don’t think the complaints hold water for me, and other times I learn something I didn’t even realize and gain new understanding. Thanks for always being honest and taking the time to try and be self-aware about your complaints and whether they’re legit or not. The effort shows and we appreciate it 👍
Glad someone else knows the difference between hearing and active listening. Also I'm super guilty of describing stuff in a broad round about way. That whole 'mashing' thing pretty much hits the nail on the head.
That's how I feel about Tom Brady. Yet still even when he further explains himself, he still gets those "hearers" not "listeners". -Also, that Principal Skinner just caught me off guard 😂
I feel like this is a common place with alot of larger communities. 4:20 is very true. I think if theres alot of people unhappy with something, then there is a reason for it, and often a bunch of people who suck at explaining themselves well, or even just parrot other people who are bad at explaining themselves means legitimate complaints get drowned out. As someone who wishes Fire Emblem in Smash got an Axer or a Lancer (not a weapon master like Byleth) at some point instead of just the protagonist every time, its really annoying seeing people defend the roster with stuff like "Well Sakurai decides characters based on whats most fun" or "its Sakurai's game so we cant criticize him"
I appreciate how you articulate yourself. I think most people use the internet as a podium to just regurgitate what's in vouge. In part that could be from a lack of self-reflection, but I think it mainly comes from the comfort of conforming to a group mentality. The FGC is just another big online community barely stitched together by the internet. A bunch of lonely people with some free time on their hands, but who am I to judge?
People keep saying Twitter because they don't want to believe their favorite streamer smile isn't part of the problem. Most of these people ramble on their stream then cut it up for TH-cam with no explanation. Also that super turbo video was amazing.
the thing with negativity is that it prompts a reaction. Arguments are discussion. If you're positive about a game there really isn't anything to launch off of that unless someone disagrees. If people aren't actually playing the game then the content churn naturally turns towards people arguing about bullshit, and it doesn't necessarily have to be articulate or even genuine in a lot of cases
i agree with what you mean by people not articulating themselves. However, you could put out a 2 page doc of aspects of a game and why you dont like them and fuckers will still simplify you to 'stop being negative, youre just mad because not the exact same' nonsense, every time without fail
Well, usually it *is* because things are not the same, because the previous iteration was what grew as someone's preferred game or interpretation of a series. All Obama is saying, from what I can tell, is that people need to make their arguments better (hard to do on twitter given limited characters) and need to not immediately write others off if that other person's opinion is negative and does not align with their own.
@@Grangolus no, you’re just simplifying shit again. Not everyone just dislikes shit being different from old games, an example being that a lot of people like Strive’s RC system a lot more than XRD’s. People get a lot more upset at removing depth like replacing dead angles which would get balanced around each characters kit with the RC on block that Strive has that just gives the whole cast one same move
I think the other issue is you can make a concise point and when the other party doesn't want to hear it they just lump you in with every other opinion they disagree with, and compare you to a player to just grind salt in the wound. Cuz online discussion is productive and nuanced.
I think I'm good at making my point. Kinda... I think it could be alot shorter. I don't really care about New vs Old cause I'm in between both groups I like some old aspects of games but I don't mind the newer games. I can find joy in both things being what they are.
One of those idiots pulled out a knife at a tourney and the other one threatened to physically beat up anyone who beat his boyfriend in Marvel. How is that at all comparable to what is being discussed in the video?
This video is bigger and deeper than just video games... If you watched the video all the way through, I hoped that you listened to what he said (and didn't just *hear)
I deleted my post, in short, these fgc arguments are not worth it to have. It’s content for the vtubers but it makes no money for normal folk and induce stress. I guess it’s just the smell of the game lmao
I havent been in the competitive scene as long as the group of guys who i hang with who have been doing it for years. I would often ask about matchup knowledge or for help to getting better and I felt like I never got a straight answer from older players. Im always told that Japanese players were better at giving knowledge than US players that like to keep tech rather than share it to prevent others from one-upping each other.
I don't think that it's really limited to old players when it comes to how hard it is to properly articulate what you mean. I think this is more of a problem with the internet in general; you'll find a lot of people that have a hard time expressing themselves clearly, because they simply don't have enough experience doing so.
New games in a series are rarely made for old players. That's fine. Unless your game is either ancient or trash there will still be people playing it. I doubt I am even gonna touch strive (at least until they add my characters) because it is different than the game I like. Old guys need to understand that these games are not made for them, and young guys need to understand that too.
Definitely understand what u mean by this. It’s important to have your criticisms about the game heard rather than just “consuming the product” when u aren’t having fun. Must be annoying to hear this all the time especially since you’ve been talking about these problems since the game was first shown.
bringin up the counter culture where people just sweep problems under the rug is a very good point, theres gotta be a balance to discourse but thats pretty hard to get
Nowadays a lot of processes in the world have a lack of communication. Especially with the new players who never lived an arcade experience and forget how human of a medium fighting games are.
Dude you can't blame some people like me. No one introduced me to fighting games until a friend had me and some friends mash buttons on Tekken in his ps4 and this was like late 2018. I'm the only one in the bunch who took it seriously.
Lmao dam bro you a real one. God forbid you have an opinion on a certain topic, because your either following the majority or getting chastised for having a different one. These kinda of conversations can much deeper if someone would just say “well why do you feel that way” if there response is just “because you can literally just mash” then they are just a moron. Or can’t articulate themselves as you said. We need more listening and digesting each other’s thoughts and opinions as a community.
problem no.1 is the biggest social media page that exist right now its twitter that is just a gigantic shitshow when it comes to format and one of the most toxic places in the internet, it is no longer about looking up fighting game forums for advice but swallowing other people opinions without doing any research on your own and playing the "broken telephone game" on twitter. problem no2 lets be honest the FGC its mostly known for being toxic and elitist, just a bunch of nerds pretending to be tough guys, most of the old guys in the west fgc lack social skills or articulation when it comes to critic what they enjoy. problem no3 new games get worse and worse on how to teach new players on how to play their games, making fighting games hard to get into or where to start, the fgc make this worse by confusing new fans with elitism, the zoomers attitude of" BIG LOL whatever boomer xdxdxdxd" does not help them either, two groups playing deaf cant listen each other. problem no4 in japan the old and most famous players give back to the comunity with guides, events and tournaments, while in the west they mostly think about themselves only thinking about money, internet fame or get in a petty fight on twitter. one exception its maximilian making great online tournaments during the pandemic for games that were abandone by their companies: marvel 3 and killer instinc, bringing the comunity together in a time of need. If the old players want to be heard then they must clean up their act for the comunity their part of, stop acting like "tought guys" and start acting like teachers for the new blood .
i blame hype culture for this type of behavior, if you want to critic something you love even in a respecful matter people will disregard your opinion because they do not want to bechallenge in any way, going back to their echo chambers.
I feel like Clayton is the same way. I recently found him, and I learned about his history. I watched some videos on his views of Strive and he has really great points of criticism, but he's so obtuse and unpersonable that I feel inclined to not listen to him.
“Do you know the difference between hearing and listening?”, spoke like a true teacher Obama.
my man
Great Teacher Obama strikes again
"Don't rope me in with mikeZ" lol
That t-shirt would sell like mad.
@@Robstafarian thuggery at it's finest
Mankind knew they could not change society
So instead of reflecting on themselves
They blamed everything else
HEAVEN
or
HELL
DUEL ONE
LET'S ROCK!
Mama mia
That's a spicy meat-a-ball
All it takes is 5 minutes on Twitter to know it's not just the kids that ain't alright
Growing up is realizing that the line between man and boy is sometimes very blurry
@@Sorrelhas most grownups are just confused children... Me included
social media makes bitches of us all except for me
@@Sorrelhas There's a line?
true lmao
I remember I was playing Street Fighter V in a small tournament at a gaming convention when some old dude came up and started trashing the game. He literally said that this wasn’t SF and that it was a Marvel game because you could land a combo before a character hit the ground. After the tournament I saw this dude on a Super Turbo cab playing by himself. I never want to be that dude.
People may make fun of me for this but I keep a journal just to practice my articulation and to make sure I have my ideas sorted in my head before it leaves my mouth. Honestly it's something I always felt I needed to improve upon so I could help improve the discussion rather than completely ruin any possible discourse with a poorly made point. Journals is a training mode that allow us to have gcs (good conversations)
Sorry... not sorry for the cringe with that last joke...
Nothing wrong with self-improvement man. Fighting game fans know this well!
Shit I should do this
Hey, that's a good idea
I need to practice the good convo matchup
That’s actually a good idea
Access to internet is almost free these days, but communication skills are not
Something something lead horse to water horsie cant drink
Good point.
nobody wants to talk though. everybody wants to have their epic jordan peterson gotcha moment keanu reeves chungus style reddit jeff21bruh
I admire the efficiency of the word choice in this thread.
A lot of fighting game players are bad at breaking down why they like their favorite games. It was very confusing for me when I first started.
I like ryu's blue bandana and yellow ex moves that's literally why I like sf3 it ain't that hard to explain
Confession: I was a big SFV hater and I can tell you it didn't matter why, I just did. I could easily articulate why I didn't like it. It was because I couldn't play my SFIV main the same way in SFV. Articulating it wasn't going to change anything because the game still didn't resonate with me. Took me a while to realize that my negativity was bringing both me and the people who liked the game down and that wasn't fair so I stopped. The lesson learned was that my reasons for disliking a game were personal and didn't really fit into any type of productive discourse surrounding SFV. Me preferring a playstyle in a previous title is a moot point because that previous title still exists. So I guess the problem is that people just need to buck up and accept that not all FGs are going to be for them and that's okay.
"If praying does not work and words are ineffective than the only thing left is to fight." - Meme Oshino
God I forgot that mans name was what it was, truly a meme
i will man the gates
Not even a minute in and my man is already spitting nothing but facts.
Someday we'll find the middle ground between Aimless Reddit Hate Threads and Critiquing Something Means You Hate It. It's what I strive for.
Heh. “Strive.” Seriously though I live in these extremes constantly and it’d be nice to have a civil discussion and debate on games.
I was on this stream. I've been exposed to Majin Obama content for much less than i've been exposed to other content creators, and man, he is the best. Not even hyperbole. He has the mix of gameplay, quality content, charisma and sense of humor that makes legends. In an alternate reality, Majin Obama got bought by Mixer for millions of dollars instead of Ninja.
Welcome to the culture.
we need to holler at facebook gaming. thanks for watching
Honestly I value videos like this, or Kizzie's video about what changes he wants with Strive. Twitter is a garbage medium to have these kinds of discussions but unfortunately it's the dominant medium.
For real. No one wants a discussion on Twitter they just want to be right.
@@andrewaguero2556 especially with how often someone will block people for different opinions even before having any interaction with them.
"What's wrong with ensure?"
"Nothings wrong with ensure, I drink that shit too!"
Bro someone was almost feeling hurt lmao.
Ensure community so soft nowadays
The lack of clarity is a problem ive found that the fgc WAY more than it thinks it does. Its not just old players, lk released his “which guilty gear character is for you video” and i noticed the only reason i understood the video is my experience in the fgc and the gg series. True newcomers have 0% idea what fgc ppl are saying for a long time, until they commit to fighting games for a while.
Another major thing to keep in mind is most people who listen to you obama, dont write comments. The loud minority of people just react in the most exciting ways their brains can come up with and misunderstand. They think they need to put alternate opinions in a box they already know, instead of just making their box bigger/having more boxes.
Ive always listened to you, its just the vision arcsys has in turning a gg into a franchise isnt fun for you, we can try to analyze further but we dont have to. I think one way to put it is that fighting games at their base are the sport of fighting, and then they become the instrument of playing the character, with their crazy amount of options.
Strive definitely emphasizes the base sport aspect and cuts out the music as much as possible. My ability to click with fighting games relies on this. Strive is betting its the same way with more people.
I know you’ve read my comments the past year, this is an opportunity to get people into understanding fighting games. More player base, more tournament spectators, more everything. Work both sides of the problem, you are spreading awareness for the need for clarity, while strive teaches basic concepts and gives people a fun way to gain experience and understanding.
Makes sense gamers are soft, lets not kid ourselves, our favorite hobby is beating people up/ killing them for fake.
And in no way am I implying that its obama’s responsibility to participate in the opportunity strive presents and makes content in strive that explains basics. Sounds to me like obama is tired of being a teacher.
Oh God yeah, there's the assumption in many cases that someone watching "beginner guide" has any idea about frame traps and +/- advantage and option selects.
When what a beginner is really looking for is what is my easy bnb and what button do I crutch
I remember the first time I heard about a safe jump way back it made no sense to me because rather than play it out frame by frame all I thought was "but dp should beat jC" etc.
Things need explaining before they click.
People that have been doing something for a long time or that play at a high level lose the ability to explain concepts because they have them so internalized and second nature they take it for granted
This man spitting facts. It irks me when people have legitimate concerns that they want to voice, then you have apologists shoot them down for a multitude of reasons. Great video as always, man!
thanks for always comin through
Big part of it is just the nature of online interactions. Everyone wants their 5 seconds of validation. From the old ST player saying SF4 is "nothing but mashing." To the SFV player that answers any criticism about their chosen game with, "Lol ok boomer". No one takes the time to think and to clearly express an idea.
"Hearing vs listening". That's an important difference. Also, yeah, if you can't articulate yourself well enough, people may just never understand what you mean and just write you off as not knowing what you're saying.
This is an issue with any feedback when it comes to video games - when we test stuff out, we have to train ourselves to really understand what they are TRYING to say. "This section feels long / repetitive." - could literally mean the music is looping too quickly. Or whatever. It's hard AF to balance a game.
Articulation definitely isn't something that everyone is going to take the time to learn how to do -especially when emotions are involved.
Like a game? Shill
Dislike a game? Just a hater
One of the reasons why I don't get into these types of discussions. I'll play Strive when it comes out but if people don't like it then they don't. Some people just take different opinions as an attack on their own.
You don't know how many people shit on me for wanting to wait after launch to buy Strive.
Obama: Don't lump me in with xyz group.
Also Obama: 5 seconds later lumps everybody else together by saying "right off the bat everybody's like...".
I'm older than most ppl here and while I completely agree with everything Obama's saying here about the misconception, let's be real. EVERYBODY judges and lumps other people together every single day. Ain't nobody likes it, but ain't nobody immune to it nor does anybody pass up the chance to do it themselves. We just now live in a time where there's more repercussions if it goes too far, but nothing's really changed with the act of judgement.
People gonna be people. Some maybe do it more silently in today's world, but not a single one of us is above it. If any of us were, then the term godlike might actually mean something outside of a video game.
honestly, i think this is a gamer problem, not just an older player problem. what's the first thing people, young and old, say when they encounter something they dont understand yet but seems strong? "THAT'S OP!". what do they say when it doesn't work the way they think? "THIS IS TRASH". what happens when a character gets a single balance change? "THIS CHARACTER IS S TIER/TRASH NOW!"
gamers are not good at nuance, everything is either OP or trash
The easiest way to dismiss someone's argument is to lump that person in with a group you've already dismissed. The Art of the Debate in 2021.
I'm also trying to figure out if this is an old players thing or a players thing. Fortunately I don't interact with any of the FGC beyond watching YT vids so I'll never know. Who doesn't like a good mystery.
“Reversal Window” “buffer” “block string” … as a so called “old head” , started playing when I was 12 with SF2 CE when it came out on arcade, so literally 30 years ago. These are words we never used, at least not any arcade I played in as a kid.
I am speaking for myself, as I didn’t get into fighting games much after Super Turbo. when I picked up SF4 and SF5 I thought that those games played much “slower”. And what you said about precision is spot on.
I didn’t understand or could really explain in the terms you used as I never heard or used those terms before. “Slower” was the only way I could describe it.
My son got into fighting games and I started playing more with him and I had an epiphany when I noticed the combos in 5.
Like I can literally do the combo and be done with the input way before it even displayed on the screen and it would still come out.
The lack of precision blew my mind and at that moment I realized why I didn’t gravitate to SF4 and SF5. Everything I learned as a kid for years changed.
Terms like “frame data “ “plus 2 on block” and all this other stuff you mentioned came about.
The games became more math and data and less reaction per se, if that makes sense.
If the “old heads” and “new heads” could just get their egos out of the way, so much can be learned from both sides.
"Old ass dudes drinking ensure" I fucking fell out my chair, peak obama content
Everyone on every beta ever chose violence.
Old heads drinking ensure...I had to replay that a bunch of times.
I want to give you props on your comedic timing. That Ensure line was funny as fuck, and it's doubly impressive you were able to come up with it on the fly in a stream.
The Abe Simpson Factor really kicked in for me around 2017-8 when the anime community really started taking over. The whole mood changed and what they were into was completely alien to me, and the more I tried to understand it, the more confused I became.
Lol, ikr. I'm used to the marvel 2 scene
Man said drinking ensure. My soul left my body.
your just describing the current social climate as a whole. nobody listens. just break up into groups and fight.
true
This is why I choose to remove myself from any discourse these days
Also, Obama, when/at what time do you stream? I really dig these talks, man, I'd like to see more
on his twitch page : "man i dont even know anymore"
yeah schedule been kinda random but i have to quarantine for 2 weeks now so gonna be regularly going at it from 1am JST
@@doogies Thanks, man
I'm gonna show up one of these days
Old players are bad at articulating themselfs and new players are bad at listening.
yup
Hearing is using your ears, listening is using your brain.
Comma splicing is forgetting to use a semicolon.
Idk Obama, I think you’re way off-base. The XYZ Dragon has some of the best art in all of Yugioh’s original card packs.
"Don't ask questions. Just consume product and get excited for next product."
I always get excited with Obama videos :)
Nuance with everything! It'd be great if some of the real heads in the FGC could create a show similar to I AM ATHLETE. It takes certain people to have these certain kinds of conversations and let it have weight. FGC has an incredibly diverse, insightful group that not every gaming community has. It'd be dope to see it get its shine!
I’ve learned so much about how fighting game systems interact and change the gameplay experience from genuinely listening to peoples complaints about games. Sometimes I don’t think the complaints hold water for me, and other times I learn something I didn’t even realize and gain new understanding. Thanks for always being honest and taking the time to try and be self-aware about your complaints and whether they’re legit or not. The effort shows and we appreciate it 👍
Majin Obama is a cool boomer
O’Boomer!
@@rayciannello2268 That's O-Boomer-sensei to you ;)
this thumbnail is op
Glad someone else knows the difference between hearing and active listening. Also I'm super guilty of describing stuff in a broad round about way. That whole 'mashing' thing pretty much hits the nail on the head.
love that you quoted RedLetterMedia
I didn't know about this channel until now but this is funny
welcome
@@doogies 😄🖐️
I’m leaving a comment to let the algorithm know that when it sends a Majin Obama video, that video gets a watch, a like, and a comment.
appreciate it
That's how I feel about Tom Brady. Yet still even when he further explains himself, he still gets those "hearers" not "listeners".
-Also, that Principal Skinner just caught me off guard 😂
I feel like this is a common place with alot of larger communities. 4:20 is very true. I think if theres alot of people unhappy with something, then there is a reason for it, and often a bunch of people who suck at explaining themselves well, or even just parrot other people who are bad at explaining themselves means legitimate complaints get drowned out. As someone who wishes Fire Emblem in Smash got an Axer or a Lancer (not a weapon master like Byleth) at some point instead of just the protagonist every time, its really annoying seeing people defend the roster with stuff like "Well Sakurai decides characters based on whats most fun" or "its Sakurai's game so we cant criticize him"
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I'm still wondering how the hell you can freely talk about stuff and remembering things, and play matches at the same time
i cant. my mind is scatterbrained as hell. i always get mad when chat sidetracks me lmao
I appreciate how you articulate yourself. I think most people use the internet as a podium to just regurgitate what's in vouge. In part that could be from a lack of self-reflection, but I think it mainly comes from the comfort of conforming to a group mentality. The FGC is just another big online community barely stitched together by the internet. A bunch of lonely people with some free time on their hands, but who am I to judge?
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People keep saying Twitter because they don't want to believe their favorite streamer smile isn't part of the problem. Most of these people ramble on their stream then cut it up for TH-cam with no explanation.
Also that super turbo video was amazing.
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the thing with negativity is that it prompts a reaction. Arguments are discussion. If you're positive about a game there really isn't anything to launch off of that unless someone disagrees. If people aren't actually playing the game then the content churn naturally turns towards people arguing about bullshit, and it doesn't necessarily have to be articulate or even genuine in a lot of cases
This is why I want to specialise and learn languages and communication techniques.
Quality upload as always...I hope your vaccine shots went well...I'm gonna be getting mine soon! Stay safe bro :D
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i agree with what you mean by people not articulating themselves. However, you could put out a 2 page doc of aspects of a game and why you dont like them and fuckers will still simplify you to 'stop being negative, youre just mad because not the exact same' nonsense, every time without fail
Well, usually it *is* because things are not the same, because the previous iteration was what grew as someone's preferred game or interpretation of a series.
All Obama is saying, from what I can tell, is that people need to make their arguments better (hard to do on twitter given limited characters) and need to not immediately write others off if that other person's opinion is negative and does not align with their own.
@@Grangolus no, you’re just simplifying shit again. Not everyone just dislikes shit being different from old games, an example being that a lot of people like Strive’s RC system a lot more than XRD’s.
People get a lot more upset at removing depth like replacing dead angles which would get balanced around each characters kit with the RC on block that Strive has that just gives the whole cast one same move
This could sometimes be the case but it's still no excuse for not clearly explaining what you mean. Even Dogura mentioned this recently.
@@buzzerking doguras statements were stupid and contradictory, stop placing people on pedastals because they press buttons well
@@jugemujugemu4690 How were they stupid and contradictory? You're starting to look like these "old heads" now.
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I think the other issue is you can make a concise point and when the other party doesn't want to hear it they just lump you in with every other opinion they disagree with, and compare you to a player to just grind salt in the wound. Cuz online discussion is productive and nuanced.
“Ugh ST is an HONEST GAME”
-people who have never played ST lol😅
I think I'm good at making my point. Kinda... I think it could be alot shorter. I don't really care about New vs Old cause I'm in between both groups I like some old aspects of games but I don't mind the newer games. I can find joy in both things being what they are.
So will there be sequel The Problem With New Players?
hmmm i feel like i passively shit on em enough in every other vid lmao
FGC soft NOW? how quick did Dark Prince and Mike Chaos get permenant bans back then? I'm surprised Pokchop never got banned
One of those idiots pulled out a knife at a tourney and the other one threatened to physically beat up anyone who beat his boyfriend in Marvel. How is that at all comparable to what is being discussed in the video?
@@ParrryHottter "threatened to physically beat up anyone who beat his boyfriend in Marvel" lmao
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@@anima94 funny on so many levels, innit?
This video is bigger and deeper than just video games...
If you watched the video all the way through, I hoped that you listened to what he said (and didn't just *hear)
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Everyone needs to take Introduction to Oral Speech.
I deleted my post, in short, these fgc arguments are not worth it to have. It’s content for the vtubers but it makes no money for normal folk and induce stress. I guess it’s just the smell of the game lmao
I havent been in the competitive scene as long as the group of guys who i hang with who have been doing it for years. I would often ask about matchup knowledge or for help to getting better and I felt like I never got a straight answer from older players. Im always told that Japanese players were better at giving knowledge than US players that like to keep tech rather than share it to prevent others from one-upping each other.
I dunno, that mentality died out in the sf4 days. I'd wager it's more that they literally don't know how to tell you what you need to know.
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I don't think that it's really limited to old players when it comes to how hard it is to properly articulate what you mean. I think this is more of a problem with the internet in general; you'll find a lot of people that have a hard time expressing themselves clearly, because they simply don't have enough experience doing so.
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There's no nuance in social media these days, something is either TRASH or GREATEST. And you're either called a HATER or a SHILL.
New games in a series are rarely made for old players. That's fine. Unless your game is either ancient or trash there will still be people playing it. I doubt I am even gonna touch strive (at least until they add my characters) because it is different than the game I like. Old guys need to understand that these games are not made for them, and young guys need to understand that too.
Definitely understand what u mean by this. It’s important to have your criticisms about the game heard rather than just “consuming the product” when u aren’t having fun. Must be annoying to hear this all the time especially since you’ve been talking about these problems since the game was first shown.
i just dont believe in false dichotomies. you can like something and be critical of its faults, for example
bringin up the counter culture where people just sweep problems under the rug is a very good point, theres gotta be a balance to discourse but thats pretty hard to get
Nowadays a lot of processes in the world have a lack of communication. Especially with the new players who never lived an arcade experience and forget how human of a medium fighting games are.
Dude you can't blame some people like me. No one introduced me to fighting games until a friend had me and some friends mash buttons on Tekken in his ps4 and this was like late 2018. I'm the only one in the bunch who took it seriously.
Man I need context on the blow up
4:18 is one of the most annoying struggles
Lmao dam bro you a real one. God forbid you have an opinion on a certain topic, because your either following the majority or getting chastised for having a different one. These kinda of conversations can much deeper if someone would just say “well why do you feel that way” if there response is just “because you can literally just mash” then they are just a moron. Or can’t articulate themselves as you said. We need more listening and digesting each other’s thoughts and opinions as a community.
problem no.1 is the biggest social media page that exist right now its twitter that is just a gigantic shitshow when it comes to format and one of the most toxic places in the internet, it is no longer about looking up fighting game forums for advice but swallowing other people opinions without doing any research on your own and playing the "broken telephone game" on twitter.
problem no2 lets be honest the FGC its mostly known for being toxic and elitist, just a bunch of nerds pretending to be tough guys, most of the old guys in the west fgc lack social skills or articulation when it comes to critic what they enjoy.
problem no3 new games get worse and worse on how to teach new players on how to play their games, making fighting games hard to get into or where to start, the fgc make this worse by confusing new fans with elitism, the zoomers attitude of" BIG LOL whatever boomer xdxdxdxd" does not help them either, two groups playing deaf cant listen each other.
problem no4 in japan the old and most famous players give back to the comunity with guides, events and tournaments, while in the west they mostly think about themselves only thinking about money, internet fame or get in a petty fight on twitter.
one exception its maximilian making great online tournaments during the pandemic for games that were abandone by their companies: marvel 3 and killer instinc, bringing the comunity together in a time of need.
If the old players want to be heard then they must clean up their act for the comunity their part of, stop acting like "tought guys" and start acting like teachers for the new blood .
This is why i love Obama. Always putting people back to school.
thanks for always comin through
TLDW; old man yells at other old man yelling at clouds /s.
Agree, and was that Konami turtles!? yuh
If more people were able to articulate how they feel, maybe we would have world peace by now. lol
i blame hype culture for this type of behavior, if you want to critic something you love even in a respecful matter people will disregard your opinion because they do not want to bechallenge in any way, going back to their echo chambers.
Play Sailor Moon S. And after ten minutes, you'll think that ST is a masterpiece.
I feel like Clayton is the same way. I recently found him, and I learned about his history. I watched some videos on his views of Strive and he has really great points of criticism, but he's so obtuse and unpersonable that I feel inclined to not listen to him.
Yeah. I wish he was an easier dude to like.
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