We are situated in the tropics and cultivate perennial crops, primarily Coffee and Black Pepper, with Oranges and Areca nuts as secondary crops-all intercropped. The presentation was very informative, but I have a question. It’s clear that for a plant to reach Level 2, it requires adequate levels of Mg, Fe, Mn, N, P, Mo, S, and B. However, this seems to exclude Ca and Cu, which I had assumed were essential for reducing pathogenic pressure in plants. Can we conclude that a plant can still be healthy (i.e., at Level 2) even if it lacks Ca and Cu? I have been addressing deficiencies in these elements through foliar and soil amendments this past season, and after watching this video, I’m wondering if those efforts were actually not needed.
Thank you so much for this calibre of information. I've been learning about microbes for a few years and my plants must be at least a three . Soon to be four's
I appreciate your answer to Abe in the webinar concerning the effects of managing many crop species together. My question is related: Is it feasible to try to manage and fine-tune the nutrients in a complex mix of species? Do you work with farmers that manage diverse polycultures and how do you give crop recommendations for such a mix?
this is my favorite john kempf talk yet. is this exactly the same as the one posted about a week ago, or should i listen again? thanks john for what you are doing to change and educate the world!
A big question is : do we have to micro manage and know the specific mineral needs for each species of plant ? Do we have to know things like "by increasing cobalt, you postpone blablabla"? Is it really necessary to achieve the highest level or can we just give the most diverse and complete set or minerals and biology we can and it will do its job?
Question: where can we overcome slug and snails problems on the plant health pyramid? If so. Thanks very much for this new and clear approach. I have been greatly disappointed at some conventional lack of ... real scientific curiosity and “joy” (i am an enternal agronomics masters student..); but This approaches switch my scientific brain part back on. Thanks! ;)
Hi Pedro, we have some anecdotal evidence which suggests there are two possible responses to slugs. One, they appear to not be present in soils with very active microbial communities. Possibly the bacteria and fungi and other organisms present are competing with the slugs for the soil organic residues as a food source. Second, slugs seem to become much less of a problem when plants have adequate levels of reduced iron.
John Kempf hi, thanks; That makes sense, being the two newest methods of preventing snails both quelated iron and also specific nematodes (gastropodes deseases) I have been leaf spraying with a mix that includes iron quelates, and see a good response. This is the major problem i have on the winter , on crops and specially on direct seeds. Termical fleece is also working very nicely. As for plant health, maybe will be hard to reach the point where they dont attack; we will see. But now i will keep an eye on iron. Thanks!
@@JohnKempfVisionBuilder I'd love to connect with you on what's app. My Gorilla grow plants are thriving in a peat bog surrounded by slugs, insects and now a quite impressive spider mite infestation . Web infested plants are almost touching my cannabis
Related to the subject, what are your thoughts on plant stressors creating a stronger/versatile plant.... versus a plant that is in "perfect" health that has never felt any type of stressor (slight stressors; nothing like root rot, fusarium, etc.. Being that in many situations plants adapt to change... ex. how pruning and certain practices in grape vineyards increase quality of production and taste. I've heard through environmental controls... mainly temp and humidity swings can bring out different expressions from plants not normally seen under "ideal" conditions... these plant outliers could result in better flavors, increased yields, or just desired traits for your growing environment perhaps
Plant stressors and immune elicitors such as some plant growth promoting rhizobacteria (PGPR's), seaweeds, and other compounds can trigger an active immune reaction which can alter the types and quantities of phytoalexins and phytonutrients plants produce. Not all elicitors produce the same effect, and the state of plant health before the elicitor triggers a response also determines the quality of the outcome.
I see that you put this video as more important than the video about critical point of influence. What about potassium, calcium? Are they not needed in thr 4 stages or they will get absorbed from the soil automatically?
Crucial knowledge. I thank you for sharing this and illustrating the topic. Much more to learn and observe in field. Can you address the scenario of black alkali sodic soils ? Through which aristas may we surf the challenges of plant and soil health in this type of scenarios? Hope you may broaden and detail some insights on the challenge. I thank you before hand. Bests and I hope you are all safe and well!
mikea concerning the question about willow bark, I believe the question revolved around the growth hormone IBA which willow supplies. So the question becomes if there are different stages or levels for various growth hormones, like other auxins or giberrilins or do they all fall into stage one vs stage two?
Wish you would do a talk with Tad Hussey... you're a great wealth of priceless information; his platform would reach many people I hope it's something you would consider
Great channel, thanks for your work! Can you maybe talk about sourcing the different plant nutrients in an organic context? I understand the why and the how (e.g. foliar sprays) but I have no clue what materials contain the right nutrients to feed my plants the right stuff. I hope you understand my question ... English is not my first language.
John kempf addressed this question in the comment section - a direct quote-we have some anecdotal evidence which suggests there are two possible responses to slugs. One, they appear to not be present in soils with very active microbial communities. Possibly the bacteria and fungi and other organisms present are competing with the slugs for the soil organic residues as a food source. Second, slugs seem to become much less of a problem when plants have adequate levels of reduced iron.
Absolutely! Improving plant (and thereby soil) health is so critical to limiting the impact of pests and diseases, ultimately leading to healthier plants! - The AEA Team
wow!!!!! It's so exciting to learn this stuff. Hearing this empowers me so much. I feel that I can really change my soil or any soil for that matter into something living, beautiful and productive. Can anyone help me and point me to some guide or book or knowledge hub that I can take a peak and learn how I can In practice achieve this healthy soil? Which solutions are manageable work wise and money wise. To decide how much of my lot should I give my efforts to produce this rich soil. And taking this into account. When and how to compost. Using worms. Introducing funghi and bacteria. Biochar. Mulch and wood chips. Minerals, chemicals, Etc...
Can anyone provide me with examples of farms or specific fields that are at level 3 or 4? I’m looking for as many as possible for a study I’m conducting. Any help would be greatly appreciated and would contribute to advancing eco ag globally in the long run. Thanks!
Will pulling random plant matter like scraps and leaves composting naturally over the winter be good? I had a volunteer butternut squash do really well for the fact it came up in late June but idk.
I also have a random spin off question. You have a plant at level 4, let's say the infamous Tomato. Unfortunately, let's say for 2 weeks or so you get temperatures between 95°F and 100°F. Everyone's had this issue. The plant immediately goes into stress mode, can't reproduce, and therefore slows down into survival mode. This means the sugar doesn't make it to the biology in the soil. However, if we where to supplement the watering with very dilute doses of sugar water, would that do anything other than speed up the recovery process when the Temps lower a bit or will it do anything at all?
Also, if I'm growing tomatoes in a 20gal pot, can I plant things like carrots and marigolds underneath the tomatoes when they're larger to companion plant, increasing diversity in the biology? Not large carrots, like maybe those fingerling carrots
Not just the solutes but its structure. There's a realm of cutting edge discovery of 'water'. How motivated and discerning to look there is up to you. Interactions of water (including cell gel water) with different EM radiation spectrum is part of this. But for those who are practical first, there are instances of people who use vortexed water for growing. This is called structuring but I think it de-structures social clumping to allow a 'natural' restructuring. Not so different from the release of old habit patterns of thought for a renewed alignment in service rather than 'model-capture'. Water has social properties. Gerald Pollack's work is painstaking example of empirical science in operation - with conjectures clearly identified as such. The gist is a realignment to a qualitative 'vitality' or expression that has quantitative (measurable) effects. We live in a period of reversal.
Hey hope you have time to answer this question related to levle 1 plant health. If you have a Mn deficiency with all the other nutrients needed present could plant wilting be witnessed as a result of water not splitting fast enough into H and OH..
Regarding the health of plants, I understand now that healthy plants can repel insects and fight or prevent diseases. What about birds though ? I know in the UK they can't grow any cabbage without a strong net. In my garden, it's the first year I'm growing kale, Brussel sprouts, brocoli etc... All planted in March/April. No bird damage at all, I though I was fine, and last week, whether it was a young plant or a 20 cm plant, they ate absolutely everything. I was gutted. Is there any secondary metabolite that cabbages can produce to deter birds ? Another thing I'm wondering : the only family of plants that does not do any mycorrhizae is crucifers. Any link to their weakness to bird attacks ? I should mention my garden isn't a nasty naked tilled soil, it's no till, permanent mulch, plenty of worms.
There is new evidence which has emerged over the last few years that crucifers do benefit from mycorrhizal colonization, And we have observed this to be true in the field.
@@JohnKempfVisionBuilder Thanks John, I guess it makes sense they're looking for the same thing as us. Just wished there were an easier way of keeping pigeons out of our cabbage.
@@JohnKempfVisionBuilder Hi John, I asked Marc-André Selosse, a professor in mycology and botany, about this on one of his videos and he was kind enough to answer. Apparently, no crucifers still do not from benefit mycorrhizal colonization (appart from Thlaspi, the exception), it's a misunderstanding. According to him, they are colonized "by accident" when a neighbooring plant is colonized herself, but it doesn't benefit the crucifer plant. The fungus doesn't exchange anything with the plant, unlike in a true mycorrhiza. You just see mycorrhizae on the roots, but no exchange is happening.
@@JohnKempfVisionBuilder As a newbie to growing we had a crop of sprouting broccoli that miraculously survived after looking unpromising to give a bumper crop by the time for flowering. The next year we gave more attention and care as well as netting against the butterflies that had ravaged the leaf previously. A full and healthy crop outgrew its net-cage,then we realised why we weren't actually cropping... the pigeons were. This bears out your thesis ;-) (We now draped loose netting back, hope to regain a harvest)
Plants can absorb sulfur contained within various compounds, such as sulfur bearing amino acids, which is the ideal. They can also absorb sulfate form, although this requires more energy to metabolize, and is not as ideal.
The gene doctrine posits that a gene generates a protein. But there are far more proteins than genes. The hubris of gene theory seeks to 'explain' vital or living process in mechanical terms. The quality of the gel-water in which and through which proteins are activated in physics as in biology is key (IMO) some of this will be assigned to minerals and electrolytes, but water is of a nature that 'structures' to support life unless toxified/thrown out of balance - which goes subtler than PH etc. I don't offer this to be 'believed' but as something I take seriously and continue to learn about.
In space and to other planets they will never have nice fruits and vegs until they build a living soil. The most up to date habitat plans are crap. Since most people don't do it properly on Earth, I don't see how it could go in space. If climate go so wrong that we have to rely on indoor agriculture with lights and hydroponics, it will be a really deep shit. Even in the case where those are perfectly optimised with genetics, light quality, distances, and right solution in water. Today on the market I only find tasteless spheres of water painted red and orange, pretending to be tomatoes and oranges.
Been a grower for 10 years and you guys provide the best info I've found anywhere ever. Thank you very much for making this available.
We're so glad that you're enjoying our content. Thank you for watching!
- The AEA Team
We are situated in the tropics and cultivate perennial crops, primarily Coffee and Black Pepper, with Oranges and Areca nuts as secondary crops-all intercropped.
The presentation was very informative, but I have a question.
It’s clear that for a plant to reach Level 2, it requires adequate levels of Mg, Fe, Mn, N, P, Mo, S, and B. However, this seems to exclude Ca and Cu, which I had assumed were essential for reducing pathogenic pressure in plants.
Can we conclude that a plant can still be healthy (i.e., at Level 2) even if it lacks Ca and Cu? I have been addressing deficiencies in these elements through foliar and soil amendments this past season, and after watching this video, I’m wondering if those efforts were actually not needed.
Thank you so much for this calibre of information. I've been learning about microbes for a few years and my plants must be at least a three .
Soon to be four's
I appreciate your answer to Abe in the webinar concerning the effects of managing many crop species together. My question is related: Is it feasible to try to manage and fine-tune the nutrients in a complex mix of species? Do you work with farmers that manage diverse polycultures and how do you give crop recommendations for such a mix?
Excellent question! Have you found any helpful information on this subject?
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I love this channel! The information is priceless !
Yes he is in gods army against evil love from norway
Unfortunately I'm late to the party. The answering to questions is absolutely diabolical.
this is my favorite john kempf talk yet. is this exactly the same as the one posted about a week ago, or should i listen again? thanks john for what you are doing to change and educate the world!
We made some slight changes to the content from the one posted a week ago, but generally it is the same.
A big question is : do we have to micro manage and know the specific mineral needs for each species of plant ?
Do we have to know things like "by increasing cobalt, you postpone blablabla"?
Is it really necessary to achieve the highest level or can we just give the most diverse and complete set or minerals and biology we can and it will do its job?
That is the question I ask as well
Incredibly interesting and superbly narrated.
Totally awesome! Way of the lazy ie the most efficient approach ever: tweak the tiny (and the correct) thing and get amazing results!
Protein synthesis.. new era of agriculture,nice podcast
Yes, very interesting. Strong plants are less sick.
Thank you for the great video. Is there another way to access the slides? The link broken.
Interlocks the extremes and enriches the middle ground
Another master piece of this amazing channel !!!
Could You recomend some pappers relates to this topic? Thanks
Thanks from bottom of my heart your prompt reply.
Question: where can we overcome slug and snails problems on the plant health pyramid? If so.
Thanks very much for this new and clear approach. I have been greatly disappointed at some conventional lack of ... real scientific curiosity and “joy” (i am an enternal agronomics masters student..); but This approaches switch my scientific brain part back on. Thanks! ;)
Hi Pedro, we have some anecdotal evidence which suggests there are two possible responses to slugs. One, they appear to not be present in soils with very active microbial communities. Possibly the bacteria and fungi and other organisms present are competing with the slugs for the soil organic residues as a food source. Second, slugs seem to become much less of a problem when plants have adequate levels of reduced iron.
John Kempf hi, thanks;
That makes sense, being the two newest methods of preventing snails both quelated iron and also specific nematodes (gastropodes deseases)
I have been leaf spraying with a mix that includes iron quelates, and see a good response. This is the major problem i have on the winter , on crops and specially on direct seeds. Termical fleece is also working very nicely.
As for plant health, maybe will be hard to reach the point where they dont attack; we will see. But now i will keep an eye on iron.
Thanks!
some ducks perhaps
@@JohnKempfVisionBuilder I'd love to connect with you on what's app. My Gorilla grow plants are thriving in a peat bog surrounded by slugs, insects and now a quite impressive spider mite infestation .
Web infested plants are almost touching my cannabis
Related to the subject, what are your thoughts on plant stressors creating a stronger/versatile plant.... versus a plant that is in "perfect" health that has never felt any type of stressor (slight stressors; nothing like root rot, fusarium, etc.. Being that in many situations plants adapt to change... ex. how pruning and certain practices in grape vineyards increase quality of production and taste. I've heard through environmental controls... mainly temp and humidity swings can bring out different expressions from plants not normally seen under "ideal" conditions... these plant outliers could result in better flavors, increased yields, or just desired traits for your growing environment perhaps
Plant stressors and immune elicitors such as some plant growth promoting rhizobacteria (PGPR's), seaweeds, and other compounds can trigger an active immune reaction which can alter the types and quantities of phytoalexins and phytonutrients plants produce. Not all elicitors produce the same effect, and the state of plant health before the elicitor triggers a response also determines the quality of the outcome.
I see that you put this video as more important than the video about critical point of influence. What about potassium, calcium? Are they not needed in thr 4 stages or they will get absorbed from the soil automatically?
Crucial knowledge. I thank you for sharing this and illustrating the topic. Much more to learn and observe in field. Can you address the scenario of black alkali sodic soils ? Through which aristas may we surf the challenges of plant and soil health in this type of scenarios? Hope you may broaden and detail some insights on the challenge. I thank you before hand. Bests and I hope you are all safe and well!
I have soaked living weeping willow roots in a vase of water, then used the water diluted as a root growth stimulator on starts.
mikea
concerning the question about willow bark, I believe the question revolved around the growth hormone IBA which willow supplies. So the question becomes if there are different stages or levels for various growth hormones, like other auxins or giberrilins or do they all fall into stage one vs stage two?
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Dear John I am growing peanuts.
Does application of minerals mention in pyramid 1&2 can be effective to control white grub.
Yes. While I don't have specific experience, based on experiences with similar insects in other crops, I would very much expect so.
Wish you would do a talk with Tad Hussey... you're a great wealth of priceless information; his platform would reach many people I hope it's something you would consider
Great channel, thanks for your work! Can you maybe talk about sourcing the different plant nutrients in an organic context? I understand the why and the how (e.g. foliar sprays) but I have no clue what materials contain the right nutrients to feed my plants the right stuff. I hope you understand my question ... English is not my first language.
He sells it on his webstie. Seastim. Look up his video on seaweed
@@hosoiarchives4858 Alright, thanks for the info!
excellent...thanks
Any thoughts on slugs in relation to stages of plant health and brix levels?
John kempf addressed this question in the comment section - a direct quote-we have some anecdotal evidence which suggests there are two possible responses to slugs. One, they appear to not be present in soils with very active microbial communities. Possibly the bacteria and fungi and other organisms present are competing with the slugs for the soil organic residues as a food source. Second, slugs seem to become much less of a problem when plants have adequate levels of reduced iron.
Extremely important and easy to internalize
Excelente.
How do we ensure continous good quality carbohydrate profile? What should be provided externally?
Can we use good plant health in vineyards and orchards to fend off the spotted lantern fly?
Absolutely! Improving plant (and thereby soil) health is so critical to limiting the impact of pests and diseases, ultimately leading to healthier plants!
- The AEA Team
Fantastic information... Thank you.
On 42:36 - Have you observed any positive effects from applying essential oils to the phyllosphere or the rhizosphere?
Alaska has big problem with root maggots in Brassicas and root crops which level will address this issue?
Root maggots are a larval insect and we would expect them to no longer be present when plants reach level two.
wow!!!!! It's so exciting to learn this stuff. Hearing this empowers me so much. I feel that I can really change my soil or any soil for that matter into something living, beautiful and productive. Can anyone help me and point me to some guide or book or knowledge hub that I can take a peak and learn how I can In practice achieve this healthy soil? Which solutions are manageable work wise and money wise. To decide how much of my lot should I give my efforts to produce this rich soil. And taking this into account. When and how to compost. Using worms. Introducing funghi and bacteria. Biochar. Mulch and wood chips. Minerals, chemicals, Etc...
Can anyone provide me with examples of farms or specific fields that are at level 3 or 4? I’m looking for as many as possible for a study I’m conducting.
Any help would be greatly appreciated and would contribute to advancing eco ag globally in the long run.
Thanks!
Will pulling random plant matter like scraps and leaves composting naturally over the winter be good? I had a volunteer butternut squash do really well for the fact it came up in late June but idk.
I also have a random spin off question. You have a plant at level 4, let's say the infamous Tomato. Unfortunately, let's say for 2 weeks or so you get temperatures between 95°F and 100°F. Everyone's had this issue. The plant immediately goes into stress mode, can't reproduce, and therefore slows down into survival mode. This means the sugar doesn't make it to the biology in the soil. However, if we where to supplement the watering with very dilute doses of sugar water, would that do anything other than speed up the recovery process when the Temps lower a bit or will it do anything at all?
Also, if I'm growing tomatoes in a 20gal pot, can I plant things like carrots and marigolds underneath the tomatoes when they're larger to companion plant, increasing diversity in the biology? Not large carrots, like maybe those fingerling carrots
What are the natural sources of manganese and iron to ensure proper photosynthesis?
I use diluted blood (yeah sory), very rich in natural iron, amino acids and other minerals in a natural form. I haven't worked out manganese yet.
What is the proportion of nutrients and forms in each level
What affect does chlorinated tap water have on soil biology? How necessary is non-chlorinated water? What research has been done on this topic?
Not just the solutes but its structure. There's a realm of cutting edge discovery of 'water'. How motivated and discerning to look there is up to you.
Interactions of water (including cell gel water) with different EM radiation spectrum is part of this. But for those who are practical first, there are instances of people who use vortexed water for growing. This is called structuring but I think it de-structures social clumping to allow a 'natural' restructuring. Not so different from the release of old habit patterns of thought for a renewed alignment in service rather than 'model-capture'. Water has social properties. Gerald Pollack's work is painstaking example of empirical science in operation - with conjectures clearly identified as such. The gist is a realignment to a qualitative 'vitality' or expression that has quantitative (measurable) effects. We live in a period of reversal.
Awesome
Hey hope you have time to answer this question related to levle 1 plant health. If you have a Mn deficiency with all the other nutrients needed present could plant wilting be witnessed as a result of water not splitting fast enough into H and OH..
It's for splitting water, not absorbing.
Regarding the health of plants, I understand now that healthy plants can repel insects and fight or prevent diseases. What about birds though ? I know in the UK they can't grow any cabbage without a strong net. In my garden, it's the first year I'm growing kale, Brussel sprouts, brocoli etc... All planted in March/April. No bird damage at all, I though I was fine, and last week, whether it was a young plant or a 20 cm plant, they ate absolutely everything. I was gutted. Is there any secondary metabolite that cabbages can produce to deter birds ? Another thing I'm wondering : the only family of plants that does not do any mycorrhizae is crucifers. Any link to their weakness to bird attacks ? I should mention my garden isn't a nasty naked tilled soil, it's no till, permanent mulch, plenty of worms.
The healthier plants become, the higher the sugar content, the more attractive they are to birds, rabbits, deer, and people.
There is new evidence which has emerged over the last few years that crucifers do benefit from mycorrhizal colonization, And we have observed this to be true in the field.
@@JohnKempfVisionBuilder Thanks John, I guess it makes sense they're looking for the same thing as us. Just wished there were an easier way of keeping pigeons out of our cabbage.
@@JohnKempfVisionBuilder Hi John, I asked Marc-André Selosse, a professor in mycology and botany, about this on one of his videos and he was kind enough to answer. Apparently, no crucifers still do not from benefit mycorrhizal colonization (appart from Thlaspi, the exception), it's a misunderstanding. According to him, they are colonized "by accident" when a neighbooring plant is colonized herself, but it doesn't benefit the crucifer plant. The fungus doesn't exchange anything with the plant, unlike in a true mycorrhiza. You just see mycorrhizae on the roots, but no exchange is happening.
@@JohnKempfVisionBuilder As a newbie to growing we had a crop of sprouting broccoli that miraculously survived after looking unpromising to give a bumper crop by the time for flowering. The next year we gave more attention and care as well as netting against the butterflies that had ravaged the leaf previously. A full and healthy crop outgrew its net-cage,then we realised why we weren't actually cropping... the pigeons were. This bears out your thesis ;-)
(We now draped loose netting back, hope to regain a harvest)
Dear John which forms of sulphur(sulphate,elemental ) is require at level 2
Plants can absorb sulfur contained within various compounds, such as sulfur bearing amino acids, which is the ideal. They can also absorb sulfate form, although this requires more energy to metabolize, and is not as ideal.
How you gonna know plant has enuf w/o another lab test
what about soil food web，
How do plants make amino acids/proteins?
The gene doctrine posits that a gene generates a protein. But there are far more proteins than genes.
The hubris of gene theory seeks to 'explain' vital or living process in mechanical terms.
The quality of the gel-water in which and through which proteins are activated in physics as in biology is key (IMO) some of this will be assigned to minerals and electrolytes, but water is of a nature that 'structures' to support life unless toxified/thrown out of balance - which goes subtler than PH etc.
I don't offer this to be 'believed' but as something I take seriously and continue to learn about.
My grandmother didn't believe in pruning no tree.
photosynthesis
Very well said. I doubt it works. because it is unclear how to apply it in practice. how to achieve the first, second and other stages of health.
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In space and to other planets they will never have nice fruits and vegs until they build a living soil. The most up to date habitat plans are crap. Since most people don't do it properly on Earth, I don't see how it could go in space. If climate go so wrong that we have to rely on indoor agriculture with lights and hydroponics, it will be a really deep shit. Even in the case where those are perfectly optimised with genetics, light quality, distances, and right solution in water. Today on the market I only find tasteless spheres of water painted red and orange, pretending to be tomatoes and oranges.
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Dear John which forms of sulphur(sulphate,elemental ) is require at level 2
A form that is actually absorbed and used by the plant, generally sulfate.