I’m black but the church I currently attend is mainly a white church. In my experience, for blacks who may have views that people may consider as a white conservative evangelical view, blacks won’t necessarily be called White, but will be asked “why are you following a white man’s religion”. My comeback is usually “Christianity came from the Jews and grew from the Middle East, etc).
One of the first Christians was the Ethiopian eunuch baptized by Phillip the Evangelist (Acts 8:26-40). The Apostle Matthew is said to have traveled and died there.
I am very glad for all the churches in Africa that have pushed back against the Libs from American churches. I am so sorry that you havebto experience that kind of neo-racism from anyone.
Very perceptive. This always humors me. Jesus was a Jew from Palestine. Paul, also from the Middle East. Christianity's most prominent theologian (St. Augustine) was a North African... But guess ethnicity popularized atheism and liberalism/progressivism thought? If anything - and I mean anything - is to ever be considered the "white man's religion," it's this deconstruction postmodern crap.
@@ericgunter4169 just a slight point of correction. Palestine wasn't even a thing in Jesus' time. He was from Judea. The Romans created the district of Palestine to erase the name Judea.
Alisa, at 54 minutes your gusts says, "I'm hopeful that eventually Trump will go away from American politics, and then us Christians should just stand here and some of these ex evangelicals will come creeping back because they will discover God is real and they need help, they need to be saved." This is so sad because it's missing the whole point and actually contradicts the points you were trying to make Alisa. Unfortunately, the mentality of this woman is the same as those who claim that Christianity can't be true because of Trump (or any other cultural or political thing that doesn't go their way) only she happens to be on the other end of the argument, but her analysis and reasoning processes are exactly founded on the same faulty notions and logic as many of the deconstructionalists. If someone leaves Christianity because of a political figure, they were not Christian. If someone "comes back" to Christianity when someone in culture or politics they don't like is out of sight, then they are not really coming back to GOD or the TRUTH!!! The Gospel, the truth, God and Salvation are transcendent. They are not stipulated on earthly things such as political figures. That's the whole f***ing point to true conversion and salvation. It seems to be painfully difficult for a large swath of American Christians to understand that when you are voting on a president or governor, you are NOT voting on your 'Messiah' or religious leader or spiritual guru. You are voting on who is the best candidate to fill that particular office based on economic, cultural or political demands - both international and domestic. Voting for a president does not implicate you in their private life or "personal sins" anymore than working for your employer implicates you before God for what your employer gets off on at 2:00 am on his/her computer in privacy. If you want to bring your personal convictions into your voting, then simply vote for the lesser of two evils - which in U.S. politics is objectively the Republican option. Trump doesn't discredit Christianity by his stances or life any more than Biden or anyone else. And do you see the insidious nature of this deception by Satan? He's brow beating Christians for voting for Trump, but not brow beating all the Leftist "Christians" for voting for Biden who is far worse on moral issues. Why is this whole issue of "faith and politics" only being bull horned when it comes to Trump when it is the Dems who always field the most ungodly candidates. It's a total spiritual deception and attack against Christians. American Christians are becoming the laughing stock of all the Christian in the world because of this crazy mentality regarding not voting politically for someone because of their private life. It's sick, because what these Christians are really saying is that their "righteousness" is tied into politics and the performance of man - and that's an abomination. The very point of the concerns they claim, are what they are swallowing. It's a total lie.
In response to your “why”: Trump is using Christianity and Christ’s name all over his political campaigns. The other candidates don’t. So when unbelievers listen in and they hear Trump say, “I am your retribution”, compare his “persecution” with Christ’s suffering, when they read his demeaning, slanderous, divisive rhetoric, they draw appropriate conclusions about beliefs & principles of his “evangelical followers “. For me the holiness of God’s name is at stake here. Because I can’t vote against my conscience, I’ll be writing in names in this election, trusting that the Lord is sovereign and He is moving history in the right direction.
Honor your father and mother; this is the first commandment with a promise: that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land. Eph.6:2-3
I was Evangelical 30 yrs. Now it's riddled with inconsistencies and confusion. The answer is Catholisim. It is the original one true Church. God bless your journey 🙏
There are inconsistencies in the Catholic church too. For example, the pope has changed his stand on gay marriage. Plus there is the praying to dead saints for other dead people. Those things are not in the Bible. Please investigate what catholicism stand for.
@@odettehardy8730 I have investigated well, but it appears you have not thoroughly? I invite you to learn about Catholicism from a reliable catholic source rather than hearsay or a biased protestant source. You will be surprised. I certainly was. It was worth the effort to return to the one true fold and all the fullness of the faith. Bless you.
@@AnthonyBreed I believe your assertion is a popular myth. I expect you haven't you looked into Church origins from a reliable catholic source yet? You will find they can confidently rebut all the anti catholic misinformation out there. You might say it boils down to the Catholic version of history versus the protestant one, as those living today have to get our information passed down. The Catholic account is consistent, rational and credible, but few non Catholic Christians can be bothered to find out. I understand this because I used to a Protestant evangelical recycling innaccurate hearsay about catholicism myself. I didn't know how ignorant I was. What is at stake is Church unity. This matters so much to Christ. He died to make us all into one visible Church under God. The Catholic church is the one true church, the others have been misled and inherited misinformation. Please return to the one true fold and the fullness of the Church. The world is looking for a united Christianity that lives the unity it preaches.
I think the lesson from the end of the video is that people don't believe things because they think their beliefs accord with reality...we often buy into "belief packages, " and when we reject one part of the "package" we reject the other parts as well.
The love of Jesus, His call to us, is to preach Truth, His Gospel...BUT NEVER to spend time with the sinner in the middle of their pagan life...the obedience is to preach repentance, new birth, holiness and persevere until the end to be saved. Tolerance of sin is not part of Jesus Gospel. Beware! If the sinner repent and give fruits of this repentance, be embraced, if not then in the most compassionate love explain to him that hell is coming for those in sin. Ephesians 5:27 explains clearly the type of church Jesus comes to pick up: a holy glorious church, stainless and with no wrinkle.
Can you clarify, do you mean that Jesus does not want us to ever spend time with sinners? What do you mean by “in the middle of their pagan life”? Do you mean willfully unrepentant people, or would this also include people who simply do not know the Gospel?
@@annaduke5409 Jesus blesses you Anna. I do mean nothing, these are not my words, are His. It is written in Psalms 1:1-2, 26:4-5 and in New Testament: "..let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 2 Timothy 2:19. Those born again, are not meant to be involved in any pagan activity unless they are preaching the holy Gospel and teaching the Scriptures to those interested. People who do not know the Gospel, we are called to preach it to them of course will all love to our neighbor. Here is well explained in the text you saw: Once you preach the Gospel: "If the sinner repents and gives fruits of this repentance, that one be embraced, if not then in the most compassionate love explain to him that hell is coming for those in sin." and then you must depart from them. The time we spend with sinners is preaching the Gospel and teaching Scriptures. Spending time with sinners does not mean being involved in their pagan activities which are devoted to their lives in sin. I hope this was better explained, sorry if I was not clear in the main comment. ☺
It would be better if you used scripture to make your point. You say "NEVER" but Jesus did not deny he ate with tax collectors and sinners. Matthew 9:10-11 (NIV) 10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
@@ejt3708 I gave several Scriptures in comments before, read well please. This what you mention is very used by those who like to engage in sinful activities. Jesus ate with them to present the Gospel, that´s all. What is so hard to understand with the Scriptures I shared? Why can´t you understand that Christ came to preach the Gospel to sinners, not to have a good time with them? I share Scriptures again: Psalms 1:1-2, 26:4-5 and in New Testament: "..let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 2 Timothy 2:19.
@@ArrepentiosyVividRepentAndLive I agree with your scriptures, and esp appreciate Psalm 26:5. But it says "I" not "you should NEVER." I have many interactions with Trumpvangelicals, many of which are openly proud, violent and greedy like the leader they put their faith in. All I am saying is your legalistic NEVER is not scriptural.
Falling/walking away is always a heart issue. Unfortunately, people don't want to be honest and admit we just don't want to live out the Christian faith for a time or anymore. If we would just admit that instead of trying to make excuses/reasons for it, and start platforming it, at least it wouldn't lead others astray. Then the door is left open to being restored, if possible.
Calling out ingratitude, disrespect, and projection in the deconstruction/exvangelical phenomena or pushing back against the toxic disdain is not necessarily gaslighting. In fact, it may be the necessary "speaking the truth in love" that prunes for healthier fruitfulness.
2 Timothy 3:1-5 (KJV) 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
@mottgirl13 I agree. Most never have a solid theological understanding of God. At best God is a cosmic Santa Claus. When real commitment is called for they jet.
@mottgirl13 My experience with my daughter is that she knew the Bible very well and has chosen, bottomline, to replace herself as the authority in her life rather than God. Very sad.
@@AZRefugeeMinistryforgive me when I say this.. I absolutely have no malice in my response, but I do find, in the majority that children from Christian homes (and going to Christian schools), don’t necessarily actually know how to read the Bible. It becomes a rote kinda learning for them. I see this because I now work in kids min, and can see the gaps. They know the answers (head knowledge) but not necessarily know how to apply it.
@@mottgirl13 My guess is that there are some who were not knowledgeable of what the Bible says and others who were very knowledgeable and turned their backs on the Gospel message due to wanting to be lord of their lives, not wanting to submit to Creator God's authority 🙏
2 Timothy 3 talks about people being disobedient to their parents and ungrateful. 1But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come. 2For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good, 4traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these! 6They are the kind who worm their way into households and captivate vulnerable women who are weighed down with sins and led astray by various passions, 7who are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Its listed that penticostals are the most immature emotional group. I have to agree most need career planning advice/ relationship guidance / financial planning advice/ the young teens going through puberty need solid sex education and common sence guidance free of false guilt and overly complicated religious rules that confuse the issue ..sadly the above is often replaced by pseudo Religious indoctrination that is not only non relevant but damaging its like throwing a young adult into the ocean who cannot swim and saying " here just believe this and you will be ok" instead of being trained how to swim . Its a poor substitute and proven to be dangerious
@davidmills5518 You dont need to spend time with other denominations with the topic chosen above its clear the subject of sex education is terribly overlooked in most religions as a whole there are now many specialist phycologists helping individuals out of religious confusion and false guilt today My sister is one of them ...
Pentecostal, not "Penticostal." I grew Pentecostal. I have two Master's degrees, and I am a PhD candidate. Pentecostalism is not monolithic, and your obtuse comment is mere generalizations.
@@chaplainstudent5689 No, not necessarily. What has struck me is that Anne uses this word so frequently, generally in situations where most other people would use the words "evil" or "sinful."
@@winsomepickett7694 is she using it for the same meaning? If you ever lived in New England you might use the word as a noun, verb or adjective in every day parlance.
@@doubtingthomas9117 - well I attempted to answer, but ALISA CHILDERS erased it. it certainly contained my 21st century intellectual opinion, of course, as her whole channel contains her 1980s biblicist apologetics opinion (that she calls "truth"), but she erased it. Funny tho, how she doesn't erase my original comment, then leaves your questions "unanswered," as if to allow me to appear to back down from answering your challenges. That's a typical motivated gaslighting move that evangelicals are so skilled at.
@@doubtingthomas9117 - well I attempted to answer, but ALISA CHILDERS erased it. it certainly contained my 21st century intellectual opinion, of course, as her whole channel contains her 1980s biblicist apologetics opinion (that she calls "truth"), but she erased it. Funny tho, how she doesn't erase my original comment, then leaves your questions "unanswered," as if to allow me to appear to back down from answering your challenges. That's a typical motivated gaslighting move that evangelicals are so skilled at.
There is no such thing as a white or black churches. There is no such thing as exvangelical. It’s racism to divide churches into ethicists. Christ doesn’t care about your color. Well said Anne 60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?" 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, "Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe." (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." 66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you want to go away as well?" 68 Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God." 70 Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil." 71 He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him. (John 6:60, ESV)
I loved this discussion and an introduction into Anne Kennedy’s work, which I will have to check out. I appreciate your work Alisa and look forward to all your programs. God bless you both.
@@charliedontsurf334 I would love to know what I don't know about the Bible. If you know so much, and aren't twisting it yourself, tell me who pigs and dogs are?
@@charliedontsurf334 Exactly, You don't know, but you would know if you knew the Bible. Read Matt 7. Then tell me why God hates people that act like Trump?
Isaiah 5:20 (BBE) Cursed are those who give the name of good to evil, and of evil to what is good: who make light dark, and dark light: who make bitter sweet, and sweet bitter!
I appreciate this conversation! Here is what I NEVER hear anyone address when politics among Believers is discussed - in the current climate, how do we engage if we want to vote/be a part of the political voice? NOT a Trump fan, but do you suggest I vote for Biden’s policies on gender identity, abortion affirmation, etc.? Abstain from voting? Anne made sure to say she didn’t vote for Trump, so, Anne, did you “take the high road” and vote third party who had no chance of impact, but made you feel good about voting? I am at a loss as to what the greater body of non-Trump- loving conservative Believers would suggest?
To me, the concern is when Christians turn to politics as their idol & get caught up in the divisiveness - generalizing abt & hating their enemies. we must always seek 1st the kingdom of God in our lives, prayerfully make our decisions abt who we support & vote for … while remembering these things are of this fallen world. Sadly, it’s been voting for the lesser of 2 evils for as long as I can remember… & too often voting agnst something/someone instead of for someone. Trump isn’t our savior, he’s an imperfect man, but I agree, at least he’s fighting agnst some terrible, harmful things. The alternative is scary.
There is no "white evangelical church." It's just a category created by pollsters - they poll people, ask their religion, their ethnicity and who they're voting for. If they're white and they don't attend Catholic, Orthodox, LDS, or "Seven Sister" churches, they're evangelical. It's an artificial category.. Places like Wheaton College or Trinity Evangelical Divinity School don't have anything in common with places like Bob Jones University or Pensacola Bible Institute. (These styles might overlap a bit at Liberty University and the SBC, but I suspect fundamentalists just borrow some evangelical trappings to give themselves more cred,) The tales of trauma come overwhelmingly from the fundamentalist arena. Even so, I see a great deal of ingratitude toward parents in the exvangelicals I know personally - usually because the parents were of humble economic means and didn't give them the lifestyle they wanted.
People without the Spirit do not accept the things that come from the Spirit but consider them foolishness and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. Ex-vangelical thinking is unbelief
I am still in the middle of viewing this video lol… but I wanted to say something about the white evangelical comment, because it would seem that some have very different views on that wording. I am with you in that if we hold to the core beliefs and tenets of Christianity we are All just the church- - - with the recognition that certainly where we Worship is going to look different neighborhood to neighborhood, even region. But I think folk like Dr. Eric Mason, Preston & Jackie Hill Perry as well as members of the Jude 3 Project would be able to perhaps shed needful light on this topic. I do love your channel/podcast and glean from it. Continued blessings be yours.
Great show with Anne Kennedy on the trends in the Churches causing divisions within the Denominations Churches Ministries also with Pastors. Its evident that when Biblical Standards ,Biblical Values Biblical Teachings and Doctrines are compromised as ordained by the Lord. This leads to divisions ,separations in the Churches etc because of error, deception, etc. God's word takes precedence in our Judeo Christian belief system. Recognizing that the Lord is our Spiritual Authority and will not mislead the Churches and believers in the light of all emerging issues in our changing culture. Keep up the good work Alisa.
Stewart Ruch III began the Anglican Cimmunion of North America to follow faithful Christians like your guests parents. It started in Wheaton, Illinois.
Race should never be entertained in the Churches. The lord do not see colour as humanity does. The scripture says for God so loved the World that he gave his only begotton son son .whosoever believes on him will not Perish but have everlasting life . Regardless of race ,colour religion, creed or political beliefs the lord sees humanity complete in him spiritually through the Cross of Jesus Christ. The Lord has already eliminated the racial component in John 3 vs 16. The Lord do not see colour as humanity does. Great show.
I have had a similar background to Anne having grown up in a Pentecostal church, then eventually ended up in Anglican circles (I'm in Canada). I was heavily involved in Intervarsity Christian Fellowship in my college days. No question I have come to lose the liturgy and Holy Communion at Westminster Abbey in 2016 was a high point in my Christian experience. The bad news is we also had to leave the official Anglican church as it's now ultra-woke and this had the effect of driving my children (now in their 30s, then in their early teens) away from Christ and the church. I don't tell them that I pray for them daily though I do particularly since the passing of my wife a little over two years ago. Like you I am disturbed by the term "White Evangelicals" since to me it speaks something foreign to the gospel though I am certainly white and evangelical.
I think "incuriosity about Bible literacy" is key. Many if not most evangelicals grew up in church and did the things their church beliefs asked of them, but they are yet to have either a personal relationship with Christ or if they do, have not taken adult responsibility to study scripture properly (How to study the Bible with Both our Hearts and Minds. Jen Wilkin). This makes them stuck on cultural beliefs rather than scriptural accuracy. They go to culture because they don't know how to understand the Bible which tells us about God and informs us of our place in the body. BTW When people start talking about White church evangelicals, they are just beating the latest cultural drum which is neither, scriptural, accurate, or even Christian.
Yes Anne. So sad. I was fortunate enough to find verse-by-verse Calvary Chapels, but even there, many politically-uncomfortable scriptures are glossed over.
He is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. 1 Tim 6:4-5
24 minutes in I like what's she's saying about what God designed before the fall and what happened afterwards, but the thing is a young earth creationist view versus an evolutionist view isn't just about science, it's also about how we think about sin. If a church teaches evolution then it can only teach the fall as an allegory and not literally, which leads to a more Jungian or Jordan Peterson interpretation of the fall, followed by the accusation that "you take the bible too literally" and that's a whole different paradigm from what the Anglican lady is very sensibly and biblically talking about What we believe DOES matter, our beliefs have consequences for how we act in the world and the values we formulate behind those actions
This process of deconstructing has been going on for 35 years . I was class if 1992 Wheaton College and many class mates converted to Roman Catholicism and Greek Orthodox.
The discussion about the issues the Exvangelical's have with their parents is interesting considering that the 5th commandment is to "Honor your Father and Mother". Exodus 20:12, I see it a lot with people who are miserable and have made poor decisions seem to also be angry and out of relationship with one or both parents.
Cool video, My relationship of 5 years ended a month ago. The love of my life decided to move on, I really loved her so much i can’t stop thinking about her and the memories we shared. I’ve tried my very best to get her back in my life, but to no avail. I’m frustrated, and i don’t see my life with anyone else. I’ve done my best to get rid of the thoughts, but i can’t. I don’t know why I’m saying this here, but i really miss her and i wish i could get her back.
Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV) 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
50:00 Alisa - I understand too well. And it drives people out of every church. Both Gay Churches and Trumper Churches (there are practically only two options now) are very angry (and passive/AGGRESSIVE) with those that don't agree with their politics. Neither believe the Bible. All want to fix it to adapt to their flesh. Trusting elders is dangerous. You are right to say that they should be able to explain the "tough" parts of the Word. But really they all fall away when you understand it is without contradiction (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
It has at least inspired innumerable toxic sects and cults in the USA alone and continues to do so at present. As a believer in Jesus Christ it is my (and yours) solemn duty and charge to “ have nothing to do with the works of darkness but rather expose them” and “mark and avoid false (prophets and teachers).”
@@_derpderp It's all false. Christianity is a cult of Judaism and is toxic. Religion is toxic. See your calendar, it's 2024.... Time to grow up and face reality. We're alone in this world and it's best to get on with it. Jesus isn't coming to save anyone. Obviously.
Love Anne Kennedy. Thank you for having her on….God has granted her a love for Him, her husband, her kids and the “disfunctional” body of Christ which, yes, I too am a part of. She has helped me grow in Christ and come to a deeper understanding of things like “Revoice.”
Finally listened to all of this (this is Meg not my husband Sam BTW) and it was great….until the end when you mention about “loving those in the body…”. What conviction as I had had a rough day/week in loving some in the body and felt totally justified. Thank you two for always being Biblical above all.
This is awesome, no matter what it's a true blessing to find so straight forward, honest woman that isn't afraid of her to beliefs. I have raised 5 grown kids. Our children are our future. I'm an empty nester, grandma, 52 year old. I love all people. My adult children have mixed race children as they are mixed race too. This is absolutely refreshing! God bless
What's up with your hatred of Donald Trump. You slam him almost every episode. I certainly don't consider him my Savior, but he has certainly been a friend to the Church.
As a Christian right now I am not sure who I am going to vote for. I don't vote party I want to vote for as close to the faith as possible, but knowing that no man is perfect so neither nominee perfect that's why I m at a cross road of my vote this time.
I will vote for Trump to have lower food prices and gas prices we’re not electing a pastor, he’s a flawed man but at least the economy will get better plus the Biden regime is out to destroy religious freedom and force child sec surgeries that Trump wants to stop and trump wants to protect women Biden wants men in the women bathroom
Its sad that you dont understand why voting for Trump is really bad. If you can stand by a man like that, something is really lacking in your maturety as a Christian. I would feel sick to my stomach.
Biden had lied his whole life and is accused of sexual assault and for the killing of babies. So he's better? He wants less freedom than trump..neither are Christians so you pick the one who doesn't push for the KILLING of babies
Galatians 5:19-21 (KJV) 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
We don’t put our faith in men period. Our faith is in God, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with being rich. James 2:5 was admonition against showing against showing favoritism. It wasn’t telling us to reject people based upon their wealth.
@@allentomkowiak1565 You Biblical noobs don't understand. James CHAPTER 2 and CHAPTER 5. And "there is absolutely nothing wrong with being rich"? You've never even heard of camels and eyes of needles? You've got some excuse to blow Jesus off too?
Michael Jones at InspiringPhilosophy has a video on this talking about how he grew up thinking Samson was amazing, and he grew up and was horrified with him. It is a way God separates the wheat from the chaff. Either you stick with God or you go your own way.
About Christians and Trump, I think it might help if Christians would be more vocal against him. I'm a Christian from the UK who's lived in the USA for 14 years, and I was horrified when he was elected. My son is now atheist because he sees Christians as not living out the love of God.
Not sure Christians vote for Trump to be their priest or a golf buddy. It’s obvious that Trump is an adulterer and says things most people wouldn’t say out loud. But the funny thing is that Christians are willing to vote for a career cheater over the “anti-Christian” and “anti-God” Democrat Party. Joe Biden isn’t a follower of Christ. At least he’s displaying it. Their political platform promote all anti-God everything. I don’t donate or attend trump’s rallies…ever. Neither do I wear his MAGA clothing. But if we are being honest Trump is a better candidate for president. I’m also not sure he’s a believer. I’m praying for both. Only God changes the heart of unbelievers including atheists. My father was a pastor and was an adulterer and an abuser during the week. My father isn’t my god. I never put my trust in him, I belong to Christ. Praying your son and my adult children hear God’s voice.
How does your son think Christian’s should live out the live of God? By not voting for Trump? I live in a world full of Trump voters and they are quite loving, kind and accepting people. Your son has probably imbibed some caricature of evangelicals that is unfounded. Have you or your son met any in real life?
Do you have to vote for Trump to be truly saved in Amerika? What a relief that I live i Europe. Here you can vote for who ever you want and still be saved and go to heaven🙏
You don’t, but voting for the other option that is 100% contrary to God’s principles is questionable. Trump is far from perfect but is the candidate that defends more of the believers’ values
No! God wants your heart and your soul not your vote. But the Democrat Party is anti-God, anti-family, anti-man, and anti-Christian. This party has been a cancer to the black community since the 1960s.
For decades, Evangelical pastors have made it clear they are Right Wingers. Step into one of their churches today and there will be open hostility to you.
@@anamauruMore of believers values??? So we value adultery, bearing false witness, coveteousness etc. God hates people like that (Pro 6:16-19). May the Lord rebuke you.
What bothers me about this conversation is that these ladies have a certain “nice” smugness in that they believe that they alone possess what the truth is, how the Bible should be interpreted (which isn’t divinely inspired), and have the only biblical view on all things spiritual; that if you disagree, say on the ordination of women, you need to repent or you may not have a seat at the table of the lamb. There’s a wideness in God’s mercy, and thankfully, he will decide, not you. As a former evangelical (age 69!) who stills loves and worships Jesus (in a spirit-filled mainline church), I don’t miss the condescending attitudes, the measuring to see if if one is evangelical enough, the assumption that those who have reconstructed their faith are hell-bound, etc. I’d like to hear more, “This is what I think, but I may be wrong and I can learn from you.” In other words, humility. And for what it’s worth, every one of the many reconstructed people I know have expressed gratitude for various aspects of their conservative upbringing, particularly for the emphasis on biblical knowledge.
@@kathykardashian7750 Actually, reconstruction is the rebuilding after deconstruction. I prefer the term because that’s what happens and because the word deconstruction has become synonymous (in conservative Christianity anyway) with back sliding down the dreaded slippery slope into God knows what. Every serious Christian realizes at different times that their views of God or their understanding of a piece of scripture needs to be adjusted because they were mistaken. Happens most Sundays in church. We listen, learn, deconstruct, then reconstruct. As the Presbyterians say, always reforming.
Then apparently you don't believe Paul when he writes to Timothy that it is inspired by the Holy Ghost. If you're reconstructing you need to reconstruct it the Bible was inspired because that's what the Bible says which means God said it because Jesus said that it was his Bible
@@chaplainstudent5689 I’m not referring to the inspiration of scripture, but to the interpretation of it. The variants of interpretation of inspired scripture is the reason we have hundreds (thousands?) of denominations, each thinking it is the gate keeper of truth. Some Wesleyans deconstruct and then reconstruct as Calvinists and vice versa. Happens all the time. Some folks were against women teaching men in a church, did some further study and decided that the teaching in the epistles was to specific audiences, not to the church forever. There’s room for disagreement, but not condemnation.
The bible critiques the Richard Rohr, and Picasso The bible says both are found lacking Neither need religion Both need to approach God as the bible sets out Humility, repentance, forgiveness, restoration Only found in Jesus Christ A person must be born again John 3:16
Jesus Christ is the truth, but you're right: as soon as you embrace a particular faith church (yes, alas, a "cult" though not necessarily a cult where the pastor takes all your assets and sleeps with your wife) you necessarily enter both truth and falsehood. But not to enter a particular faith church is to enter a non church secularist cult, but still a cult. Embracing a church cult (Anglican, Baptist, Pentecostal, etc) is the best choice of all the options if you want your life to have meaning. But you're right, you'll be in a cult which embraces both truth and falsehood, not matter what. This "truth" is powerfully depicted in the recent move Dune (especially Dune Part 2). Highly recommended.
Here’s a shiny idea for you folks: honor is earned, respect is earned. The absolutely moronic view you two hold over abuse, so flippant and defensive. It’s not burning itself out, deconstruction is an avalanche that is just getting started. We will see a lot more evangelical copium videos in the years ahead.
I agree. This obsession with Trump is weird. What does he have to do with Christianity? He’s a businessman turned politician who’s a lot better than what the Democrats are serving up. That’s all. It’s like we have to reject him to prove we’re Christian. And support BIDEN?? What? Are you kidding me?
@@ashqelon7267 Wow, that's repulsive and un-Christian. Please remember that The Word can be fairly interpreted to say that PAUL does not allow a woman to speak, and that was inappropriate for the Corinthians.
I’m black but the church I currently attend is mainly a white church. In my experience, for blacks who may have views that people may consider as a white conservative evangelical view, blacks won’t necessarily be called White, but will be asked “why are you following a white man’s religion”. My comeback is usually “Christianity came from the Jews and grew from the Middle East, etc).
One of the first Christians was the Ethiopian eunuch baptized by Phillip the Evangelist (Acts 8:26-40). The Apostle Matthew is said to have traveled and died there.
I agree. No ethnic group owns or has jurisdiction over Biblical truth. The one Truth (Jesus Christ) stands outside and above all ethnicities.
I am very glad for all the churches in Africa that have pushed back against the Libs from American churches. I am so sorry that you havebto experience that kind of neo-racism from anyone.
Very perceptive. This always humors me. Jesus was a Jew from Palestine. Paul, also from the Middle East. Christianity's most prominent theologian (St. Augustine) was a North African... But guess ethnicity popularized atheism and liberalism/progressivism thought? If anything - and I mean anything - is to ever be considered the "white man's religion," it's this deconstruction postmodern crap.
@@ericgunter4169 just a slight point of correction. Palestine wasn't even a thing in Jesus' time. He was from Judea. The Romans created the district of Palestine to erase the name Judea.
Alisa, at 54 minutes your gusts says, "I'm hopeful that eventually Trump will go away from American politics, and then us Christians should just stand here and some of these ex evangelicals will come creeping back because they will discover God is real and they need help, they need to be saved." This is so sad because it's missing the whole point and actually contradicts the points you were trying to make Alisa. Unfortunately, the mentality of this woman is the same as those who claim that Christianity can't be true because of Trump (or any other cultural or political thing that doesn't go their way) only she happens to be on the other end of the argument, but her analysis and reasoning processes are exactly founded on the same faulty notions and logic as many of the deconstructionalists. If someone leaves Christianity because of a political figure, they were not Christian. If someone "comes back" to Christianity when someone in culture or politics they don't like is out of sight, then they are not really coming back to GOD or the TRUTH!!! The Gospel, the truth, God and Salvation are transcendent. They are not stipulated on earthly things such as political figures. That's the whole f***ing point to true conversion and salvation.
It seems to be painfully difficult for a large swath of American Christians to understand that when you are voting on a president or governor, you are NOT voting on your 'Messiah' or religious leader or spiritual guru. You are voting on who is the best candidate to fill that particular office based on economic, cultural or political demands - both international and domestic. Voting for a president does not implicate you in their private life or "personal sins" anymore than working for your employer implicates you before God for what your employer gets off on at 2:00 am on his/her computer in privacy.
If you want to bring your personal convictions into your voting, then simply vote for the lesser of two evils - which in U.S. politics is objectively the Republican option. Trump doesn't discredit Christianity by his stances or life any more than Biden or anyone else. And do you see the insidious nature of this deception by Satan? He's brow beating Christians for voting for Trump, but not brow beating all the Leftist "Christians" for voting for Biden who is far worse on moral issues. Why is this whole issue of "faith and politics" only being bull horned when it comes to Trump when it is the Dems who always field the most ungodly candidates. It's a total spiritual deception and attack against Christians. American Christians are becoming the laughing stock of all the Christian in the world because of this crazy mentality regarding not voting politically for someone because of their private life. It's sick, because what these Christians are really saying is that their "righteousness" is tied into politics and the performance of man - and that's an abomination. The very point of the concerns they claim, are what they are swallowing. It's a total lie.
In response to your “why”:
Trump is using Christianity and Christ’s name all over his political campaigns. The other candidates don’t. So when unbelievers listen in and they hear Trump say, “I am your retribution”, compare his “persecution” with Christ’s suffering, when they read his demeaning, slanderous, divisive rhetoric, they draw appropriate conclusions about beliefs & principles of his “evangelical followers “.
For me the holiness of God’s name is at stake here. Because I can’t vote against my conscience, I’ll be writing in names in this election, trusting that the Lord is sovereign and He is moving history in the right direction.
Honor your father and mother; this is the first commandment with a promise: that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land. Eph.6:2-3
Jesus Commanded in the New testament, To Love God with ALL your Heart Mind and Soul, and second to love one another as I have loved you.
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Which was an answer to a test by a lawyer of the Pharisee's and Sadducee's. He asked what is the greatest commandment?
@@johnvahl762 Jesus Commanded to Love God with ALL your Heart, Mind and Soul.. first...
But the again. We really need to respect our brothers and sister who think different. We are still one in Christ
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I was Evangelical 30 yrs. Now it's riddled with inconsistencies and confusion. The answer is Catholisim. It is the original one true Church. God bless your journey 🙏
There are inconsistencies in the Catholic church too. For example, the pope has changed his stand on gay marriage. Plus there is the praying to dead saints for other dead people. Those things are not in the Bible. Please investigate what catholicism stand for.
@@odettehardy8730 I have investigated well, but it appears you have not thoroughly? I invite you to learn about Catholicism from a reliable catholic source rather than hearsay or a biased protestant source. You will be surprised. I certainly was. It was worth the effort to return to the one true fold and all the fullness of the faith. Bless you.
Catholic Church began in 4th century at the behest of Constantine, so it’s not the “original “ church.
@@AnthonyBreed I believe your assertion is a popular myth. I expect you haven't you looked into Church origins from a reliable catholic source yet? You will find they can confidently rebut all the anti catholic misinformation out there. You might say it boils down to the Catholic version of history versus the protestant one, as those living today have to get our information passed down. The Catholic account is consistent, rational and credible, but few non Catholic Christians can be bothered to find out. I understand this because I used to a Protestant evangelical recycling innaccurate hearsay about catholicism myself. I didn't know how ignorant I was. What is at stake is Church unity. This matters so much to Christ. He died to make us all into one visible Church under God. The Catholic church is the one true church, the others have been misled and inherited misinformation. Please return to the one true fold and the fullness of the Church. The world is looking for a united Christianity that lives the unity it preaches.
I think the lesson from the end of the video is that people don't believe things because they think their beliefs accord with reality...we often buy into "belief packages, " and when we reject one part of the "package" we reject the other parts as well.
DO we have a link to her socials? When I type her name, there are SO many!
Some in the Evangelical camp seem to think that they are prophets with the ability to ignore and contradict God's Word. What a "strong delusion"!
The love of Jesus, His call to us, is to preach Truth, His Gospel...BUT NEVER to spend time with the sinner in the middle of their pagan life...the obedience is to preach repentance, new birth, holiness and persevere until the end to be saved.
Tolerance of sin is not part of Jesus Gospel. Beware!
If the sinner repent and give fruits of this repentance, be embraced, if not then in the most compassionate love explain to him that hell is coming for those in sin.
Ephesians 5:27 explains clearly the type of church Jesus comes to pick up: a holy glorious church, stainless and with no wrinkle.
Can you clarify, do you mean that Jesus does not want us to ever spend time with sinners? What do you mean by “in the middle of their pagan life”? Do you mean willfully unrepentant people, or would this also include people who simply do not know the Gospel?
@@annaduke5409 Jesus blesses you Anna. I do mean nothing, these are not my words, are His. It is written in Psalms 1:1-2, 26:4-5 and in New Testament: "..let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 2 Timothy 2:19.
Those born again, are not meant to be involved in any pagan activity unless they are preaching the holy Gospel and teaching the Scriptures to those interested.
People who do not know the Gospel, we are called to preach it to them of course will all love to our neighbor. Here is well explained in the text you saw:
Once you preach the Gospel: "If the sinner repents and gives fruits of this repentance, that one be embraced, if not then in the most compassionate love explain to him that hell is coming for those in sin." and then you must depart from them.
The time we spend with sinners is preaching the Gospel and teaching Scriptures. Spending time with sinners does not mean being involved in their pagan activities which are devoted to their lives in sin.
I hope this was better explained, sorry if I was not clear in the main comment. ☺
It would be better if you used scripture to make your point. You say "NEVER" but Jesus did not deny he ate with tax collectors and sinners.
Matthew 9:10-11 (NIV) 10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
@@ejt3708 I gave several Scriptures in comments before, read well please. This what you mention is very used by those who like to engage in sinful activities.
Jesus ate with them to present the Gospel, that´s all. What is so hard to understand with the Scriptures I shared? Why can´t you understand that Christ came to preach the Gospel to sinners, not to have a good time with them?
I share Scriptures again: Psalms 1:1-2, 26:4-5 and in New Testament: "..let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 2 Timothy 2:19.
@@ArrepentiosyVividRepentAndLive I agree with your scriptures, and esp appreciate Psalm 26:5. But it says "I" not "you should NEVER."
I have many interactions with Trumpvangelicals, many of which are openly proud, violent and greedy like the leader they put their faith in. All I am saying is your legalistic NEVER is not scriptural.
Falling/walking away is always a heart issue. Unfortunately, people don't want to be honest and admit we just don't want to live out the Christian faith for a time or anymore. If we would just admit that instead of trying to make excuses/reasons for it, and start platforming it, at least it wouldn't lead others astray. Then the door is left open to being restored, if possible.
why can’t I choose the video I want…the same one keeps playing
Calling out ingratitude, disrespect, and projection in the deconstruction/exvangelical phenomena or pushing back against the toxic disdain is not necessarily gaslighting. In fact, it may be the necessary "speaking the truth in love" that prunes for healthier fruitfulness.
2 Timothy 3:1-5 (KJV) 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
What is it about Evangelical Churches that the younger generation is trying to deconstruct?
The surface reading of the Bible?
@mottgirl13 I agree. Most never have a solid theological understanding of God. At best God is a cosmic Santa Claus. When real commitment is called for they jet.
@mottgirl13 My experience with my daughter is that she knew the Bible very well and has chosen, bottomline, to replace herself as the authority in her life rather than God. Very sad.
@@AZRefugeeMinistryforgive me when I say this.. I absolutely have no malice in my response, but I do find, in the majority that children from Christian homes (and going to Christian schools), don’t necessarily actually know how to read the Bible. It becomes a rote kinda learning for them. I see this because I now work in kids min, and can see the gaps. They know the answers (head knowledge) but not necessarily know how to apply it.
@@mottgirl13 My guess is that there are some who were not knowledgeable of what the Bible says and others who were very knowledgeable and turned their backs on the Gospel message due to wanting to be lord of their lives, not wanting to submit to Creator God's authority 🙏
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2 Timothy 3 talks about people being disobedient to their parents and ungrateful.
1But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come. 2For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good, 4traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these!
6They are the kind who worm their way into households and captivate vulnerable women who are weighed down with sins and led astray by various passions, 7who are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
I grew up Baptist and nondenominational..but maybe this is idolatry of the bible..calling it infallible and inerrant
Its listed that penticostals are the most immature emotional group.
I have to agree most need career planning advice/ relationship guidance / financial planning advice/ the young teens going through puberty need solid sex education and common sence guidance free of false guilt and overly complicated religious rules that confuse the issue ..sadly the above is often replaced by pseudo
Religious indoctrination that is not only non relevant but damaging its like throwing a young adult into the ocean who cannot swim and saying " here just believe this and you will be ok" instead of being trained how to swim .
Its a poor substitute and proven to be dangerious
How can you judge other different denominations if you don't spend time with them.
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You dont need to spend time with other denominations with the topic chosen above its clear the subject of sex education is terribly overlooked in most religions as a whole there are now many specialist phycologists helping individuals out of religious confusion and false guilt today
My sister is one of them ...
Pentecostal, not "Penticostal." I grew Pentecostal. I have two Master's degrees, and I am a PhD candidate. Pentecostalism is not monolithic, and your obtuse comment is mere generalizations.
John 18:40 (NIV)
They shouted back, “No, not him! Give us Barabbas!” Now Barabbas had taken part in an uprising.
I have never known anyone so enamored of the word "wicked" as Anne Kennedy. That is all.
She said it like two times (I checked the transcript) lol.
@@cpjds1 Fair enough. I'm including her use of the term on her podcast and in other interviews over the last several years.
@@winsomepickett7694 is there something wrong with the word if it fits the situation?
@@chaplainstudent5689 No, not necessarily. What has struck me is that Anne uses this word so frequently, generally in situations where most other people would use the words "evil" or "sinful."
@@winsomepickett7694 is she using it for the same meaning? If you ever lived in New England you might use the word as a noun, verb or adjective in every day parlance.
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Certainly the kind of 20th Century Evangelicalism that Alisa Childers and this channeling pedaling - it's absolutely TOXIC.
Can you give specifics? Because insistence on the resurrection is a non-negotiable otherwise, Christians are the worst off (1 Corinthians 15:16-19).
@@charliedontsurf334 yeah, I am interested in hearing the specifics of this as well…
@@doubtingthomas9117 - well I attempted to answer, but ALISA CHILDERS erased it. it certainly contained my 21st century intellectual opinion, of course, as her whole channel contains her 1980s biblicist apologetics opinion (that she calls "truth"), but she erased it. Funny tho, how she doesn't erase my original comment, then leaves your questions "unanswered," as if to allow me to appear to back down from answering your challenges. That's a typical motivated gaslighting move that evangelicals are so skilled at.
@@doubtingthomas9117 - well I attempted to answer, but ALISA CHILDERS erased it. it certainly contained my 21st century intellectual opinion, of course, as her whole channel contains her 1980s biblicist apologetics opinion (that she calls "truth"), but she erased it. Funny tho, how she doesn't erase my original comment, then leaves your questions "unanswered," as if to allow me to appear to back down from answering your challenges. That's a typical motivated gaslighting move that evangelicals are so skilled at.
Rachel Held Evans caught the sophistication bug and it killed her. Tragic.
There is no such thing as a white or black churches. There is no such thing as exvangelical. It’s racism to divide churches into ethicists. Christ doesn’t care about your color. Well said Anne
60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?"
61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, "Do you take offense at this?
62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64 But there are some of you who do not believe." (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.)
65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."
66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.
67 So Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you want to go away as well?"
68 Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life,
69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God."
70 Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil."
71 He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him. (John 6:60, ESV)
Thanks to both of you sisters for this conversation. I have a tremendous amount of respect for both of you and am grateful for the work you are doing!
I loved this discussion and an introduction into Anne Kennedy’s work, which I will have to check out. I appreciate your work Alisa and look forward to all your programs. God bless you both.
“Gain a listening ear “. So important. Critical Theory uses a different dictionary.
Believing the BIble isnt toxic
But twisting the Bible certainly is.
@@ejt3708 No it isn't but it is fashionable to accuse people of twisting the Bible by people who don't understand it.
@@charliedontsurf334 I would love to know what I don't know about the Bible. If you know so much, and aren't twisting it yourself, tell me who pigs and dogs are?
@@ejt3708 Which pigs and which dogs?
@@charliedontsurf334 Exactly, You don't know, but you would know if you knew the Bible. Read Matt 7.
Then tell me why God hates people that act like Trump?
Isaiah 5:20 (BBE) Cursed are those who give the name of good to evil, and of evil to what is good: who make light dark, and dark light: who make bitter sweet, and sweet bitter!
49:10 That’s been a convenient scapegoat across the cultural landscape
I have the same reaction. I legitimately don't get that.
I appreciate this conversation! Here is what I NEVER hear anyone address when politics among Believers is discussed - in the current climate, how do we engage if we want to vote/be a part of the political voice? NOT a Trump fan, but do you suggest I vote for Biden’s policies on gender identity, abortion affirmation, etc.? Abstain from voting?
Anne made sure to say she didn’t vote for Trump, so, Anne, did you “take the high road” and vote third party who had no chance of impact, but made you feel good about voting?
I am at a loss as to what the greater body of non-Trump- loving conservative Believers would suggest?
To me, the concern is when Christians turn to politics as their idol & get caught up in the divisiveness - generalizing abt & hating their enemies. we must always seek 1st the kingdom of God in our lives, prayerfully make our decisions abt who we support & vote for … while remembering these things are of this fallen world. Sadly, it’s been voting for the lesser of 2 evils for as long as I can remember… & too often voting agnst something/someone instead of for someone. Trump isn’t our savior, he’s an imperfect man, but I agree, at least he’s fighting agnst some terrible, harmful things. The alternative is scary.
There is no "white evangelical church." It's just a category created by pollsters - they poll people, ask their religion, their ethnicity and who they're voting for. If they're white and they don't attend Catholic, Orthodox, LDS, or "Seven Sister" churches, they're evangelical. It's an artificial category..
Places like Wheaton College or Trinity Evangelical Divinity School don't have anything in common with places like Bob Jones University or Pensacola Bible Institute. (These styles might overlap a bit at Liberty University and the SBC, but I suspect fundamentalists just borrow some evangelical trappings to give themselves more cred,) The tales of trauma come overwhelmingly from the fundamentalist arena.
Even so, I see a great deal of ingratitude toward parents in the exvangelicals I know personally - usually because the parents were of humble economic means and didn't give them the lifestyle they wanted.
People without the Spirit do not accept the things that come from the Spirit but consider them foolishness and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
Ex-vangelical thinking is unbelief
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I am still in the middle of viewing this video lol… but I wanted to say something about the white evangelical comment, because it would seem that some have very different views on that wording. I am with you in that if we hold to the core beliefs and tenets of Christianity we are All just the church- - - with the recognition that certainly where we Worship is going to look different neighborhood to neighborhood, even region. But I think folk like Dr. Eric Mason, Preston & Jackie Hill Perry as well as members of the Jude 3 Project would be able to perhaps shed needful light on this topic. I do love your channel/podcast and glean from it. Continued blessings be yours.
Great show with Anne Kennedy on the trends in the Churches causing divisions within the Denominations Churches Ministries also with Pastors. Its evident that when Biblical Standards ,Biblical Values Biblical Teachings and Doctrines are compromised as ordained by the Lord.
This leads to divisions ,separations in the Churches etc because of error, deception, etc. God's word takes precedence in our Judeo Christian belief system. Recognizing that the Lord is our Spiritual Authority and will not mislead the Churches and believers in the light of all emerging issues in our changing culture. Keep up the good work Alisa.
Stewart Ruch III began the Anglican Cimmunion of North America to follow faithful Christians like your guests parents. It started in Wheaton, Illinois.
The Catholics and Evangelicals together treaty answers that question…..disturbing trend.
Race should never be entertained in the Churches. The lord do not see colour as humanity does. The scripture says for God so loved the World that he gave his only begotton son son .whosoever believes on him will not Perish but have everlasting life . Regardless of race ,colour religion, creed or political beliefs the lord sees humanity complete in him spiritually through the Cross of Jesus Christ. The Lord has already eliminated the racial component in John 3 vs 16. The Lord do not see colour as humanity does. Great show.
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Very informative and you both keep raising apt comments or questions, which is blessing for us listeners. Well done!
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I have had a similar background to Anne having grown up in a Pentecostal church, then eventually ended up in Anglican circles (I'm in Canada). I was heavily involved in Intervarsity Christian Fellowship in my college days. No question I have come to lose the liturgy and Holy Communion at Westminster Abbey in 2016 was a high point in my Christian experience. The bad news is we also had to leave the official Anglican church as it's now ultra-woke and this had the effect of driving my children (now in their 30s, then in their early teens) away from Christ and the church. I don't tell them that I pray for them daily though I do particularly since the passing of my wife a little over two years ago.
Like you I am disturbed by the term "White Evangelicals" since to me it speaks something foreign to the gospel though I am certainly white and evangelical.
Ppl leave church for the same reason ppl get sober. It's a "leave or die" situation.
Lame interview.
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I went to highschool with Anne! Can't wait to listen to this discussion!! Thank you for having her on the show! ❤😊
I think "incuriosity about Bible literacy" is key. Many if not most evangelicals grew up in church and did the things their church beliefs asked of them, but they are yet to have either a personal relationship with Christ or if they do, have not taken adult responsibility to study scripture properly (How to study the Bible with Both our Hearts and Minds. Jen Wilkin). This makes them stuck on cultural beliefs rather than scriptural accuracy. They go to culture because they don't know how to understand the Bible which tells us about God and informs us of our place in the body.
BTW When people start talking about White church evangelicals, they are just beating the latest cultural drum which is neither, scriptural, accurate, or even Christian.
Yes Anne. So sad. I was fortunate enough to find verse-by-verse Calvary Chapels, but even there, many politically-uncomfortable scriptures are glossed over.
He is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. 1 Tim 6:4-5
I tried to find Anne on Twitter now X, which Anne Kennedy is she?
@revannek is her handle
It would be good if the host added links to guest connections.
It would be good if the host added links to guest connections.
24 minutes in I like what's she's saying about what God designed before the fall and what happened afterwards, but the thing is a young earth creationist view versus an evolutionist view isn't just about science, it's also about how we think about sin. If a church teaches evolution then it can only teach the fall as an allegory and not literally, which leads to a more Jungian or Jordan Peterson interpretation of the fall, followed by the accusation that "you take the bible too literally" and that's a whole different paradigm from what the Anglican lady is very sensibly and biblically talking about
What we believe DOES matter, our beliefs have consequences for how we act in the world and the values we formulate behind those actions
This process of deconstructing has been going on for 35 years . I was class if 1992 Wheaton College and many class mates converted to Roman Catholicism and Greek Orthodox.
what is toxic is the false teaching going on in a lot of churches, the word of faith, bethel, hillsongs, elevation worship, NAR ect....
She has had conversations about many of these topics, especially NAR... Just go into her list to find them
Yes, I see lots of deconstruction and people leaving the church. What are the solutions other than a video for home school kids?
Good videos, HATE the ads interrupting the dialog! Have them in the front or in the back. Mahalo!
What song is at the very end of this video? Is this just an outrow, not a whole song? I love it so much.
The discussion about the issues the Exvangelical's have with their parents is interesting considering that the 5th commandment is to "Honor your Father and Mother". Exodus 20:12, I see it a lot with people who are miserable and have made poor decisions seem to also be angry and out of relationship with one or both parents.
You make a valid point.
Ephesians 6:1- even goes further….. so that it will be well with you!!
WHAT A TREAT TO HAVE JENNIFER FOR A CHAT😊
Cool video, My relationship of 5 years ended a month ago. The love of my life decided to move on, I really loved her so much i can’t stop thinking about her and the memories we shared. I’ve tried my very best to get her back in my life, but to no avail. I’m frustrated, and i don’t see my life with anyone else. I’ve done my best to get rid of the thoughts, but i can’t. I don’t know why I’m saying this here, but i really miss her and i wish i could get her back.
wow, please how did you get a spiritual adviser, and how do i reach him?
Thank you very much. i just checked and i found him. i'm excited.
Is it just evangelicals that are deconstructing or Catholics as well. Because i never hear of of Catholics deconstructing.
In the community, they're called affectionately as lapsed Catholics.
Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV) 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
50:00 Alisa - I understand too well. And it drives people out of every church. Both Gay Churches and Trumper Churches (there are practically only two options now) are very angry (and passive/AGGRESSIVE) with those that don't agree with their politics. Neither believe the Bible. All want to fix it to adapt to their flesh.
Trusting elders is dangerous. You are right to say that they should be able to explain the "tough" parts of the Word. But really they all fall away when you understand it is without contradiction (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Matt and Anne Kennedy are great.
Yes, it's toxic. Obviously.
No its not
It has at least inspired innumerable toxic sects and cults in the USA alone and continues to do so at present. As a believer in Jesus Christ it is my (and yours) solemn duty and charge to “ have nothing to do with the works of darkness but rather expose them” and “mark and avoid false (prophets and teachers).”
@@_derpderp It's all false.
Christianity is a cult of Judaism and is toxic.
Religion is toxic.
See your calendar, it's 2024....
Time to grow up and face reality.
We're alone in this world and it's best to get on with it.
Jesus isn't coming to save anyone. Obviously.
Beautiful!! 😻
Anglican s are mystics.
To some degree
@@johntobey1558 we believe like Paul that there is a mystery yes. We also use our faculties with reason
You go girls!
Love Anne Kennedy. Thank you for having her on….God has granted her a love for Him, her husband, her kids and the “disfunctional” body of Christ which, yes, I too am a part of. She has helped me grow in Christ and come to a deeper understanding of things like “Revoice.”
Finally listened to all of this (this is Meg not my husband Sam BTW) and it was great….until the end when you mention about “loving those in the body…”. What conviction as I had had a rough day/week in loving some in the body and felt totally justified. Thank you two for always being Biblical above all.
This is awesome, no matter what it's a true blessing to find so straight forward, honest woman that isn't afraid of her to beliefs. I have raised 5 grown kids. Our children are our future. I'm an empty nester, grandma, 52 year old. I love all people. My adult children have mixed race children as they are mixed race too. This is absolutely refreshing! God bless
What a relief to find a couple of conservative Christian women who don’t support Trump! 😊
They said that? When did they say that?
So u ate pro biden
So u are for Biden. What is our alternative
@@westleybenson1188
So you are pro biden
What's up with your hatred of Donald Trump. You slam him almost every episode. I certainly don't consider him my Savior, but he has certainly been a friend to the Church.
This is about the church not politics.
As a Christian right now I am not sure who I am going to vote for. I don't vote party I want to vote for as close to the faith as possible, but knowing that no man is perfect so neither nominee perfect that's why I m at a cross road of my vote this time.
You don’t think there’s any difference between the two parties? You look this government we have?
I will vote for Trump to have lower food prices and gas prices we’re not electing a pastor, he’s a flawed man but at least the economy will get better plus the Biden regime is out to destroy religious freedom and force child sec surgeries that Trump wants to stop and trump wants to protect women Biden wants men in the women bathroom
Low food prices is what I want back
Its sad that you dont understand why voting for Trump is really bad. If you can stand by a man like that, something is really lacking in your maturety as a Christian. I would feel sick to my stomach.
How would you defend voting for Biden then, please help me out
Is what we’re suffering through now better? What’s with the larger than life obsession with Trump? Biden is so much worse. It’s the twilight zone.
Can you provide some specifics?
It’s like bill Clinton never was president I’m no trump fan but il vote for him to have cheaper gas and food and save women sports from male
Biden had lied his whole life and is accused of sexual assault and for the killing of babies. So he's better? He wants less freedom than trump..neither are Christians so you pick the one who doesn't push for the KILLING of babies
Galatians 5:19-21 (KJV) 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
People did guard themselves in the CCC and now tge PCA.
Can somebody read James Chapter 2 and Chapter 5, then tell me how Evangelicals can put their faith in a rich man?
LOL!
@@allentomkowiak1565 "LOL!" can be so toxic (Matt 5:22). Do you believe James 2 and 5 or are you dismissing it?
Who the. Bleep are you? Do you have a candidate that isn't suffering from dementia? Who will keep America great instead of invaded?
We don’t put our faith in men period. Our faith is in God, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with being rich. James 2:5 was admonition against showing against showing favoritism. It wasn’t telling us to reject people based upon their wealth.
@@allentomkowiak1565 You Biblical noobs don't understand. James CHAPTER 2 and CHAPTER 5.
And "there is absolutely nothing wrong with being rich"? You've never even heard of camels and eyes of needles? You've got some excuse to blow Jesus off too?
The comment about wishing that Trump goes away so people can come back and realize God is real is pathetic.
Some people are more obsessed with Trump than MAGA could ever be. Smart about religion but clueless about politics, I guess.
Michael Jones at InspiringPhilosophy has a video on this talking about how he grew up thinking Samson was amazing, and he grew up and was horrified with him. It is a way God separates the wheat from the chaff. Either you stick with God or you go your own way.
I agree. What other choice do we have
About Christians and Trump, I think it might help if Christians would be more vocal against him. I'm a Christian from the UK who's lived in the USA for 14 years, and I was horrified when he was elected. My son is now atheist because he sees Christians as not living out the love of God.
Not sure Christians vote for Trump to be their priest or a golf buddy. It’s obvious that Trump is an adulterer and says things most people wouldn’t say out loud. But the funny thing is that Christians are willing to vote for a career cheater over the “anti-Christian” and “anti-God” Democrat Party. Joe Biden isn’t a follower of Christ. At least he’s displaying it. Their political platform promote all anti-God everything. I don’t donate or attend trump’s rallies…ever. Neither do I wear his MAGA clothing. But if we are being honest Trump is a better candidate for president. I’m also not sure he’s a believer. I’m praying for both.
Only God changes the heart of unbelievers including atheists. My father was a pastor and was an adulterer and an abuser during the week. My father isn’t my god. I never put my trust in him, I belong to Christ. Praying your son and my adult children hear God’s voice.
Exactly. Evangelicals stumble billions and have no shame. Try to reason with them through scripture and they will betray their focus on Mammon.
If you're a Christian and more horrified with Trump than Biden and the democrats then you're not a Christian . Fact.
How does your son think Christian’s should live out the live of God? By not voting for Trump? I live in a world full of Trump voters and they are quite loving, kind and accepting people. Your son has probably imbibed some caricature of evangelicals that is unfounded. Have you or your son met any in real life?
@@janethorsman194 ALL the Trumpers I know are rabid liars, just like their leader. I don't know why you'd be any different.
They were never Christians to begin with. It's biblical.
Do you have to vote for Trump to be truly saved in Amerika? What a relief that I live i Europe. Here you can vote for who ever you want and still be saved and go to heaven🙏
You don’t, but voting for the other option that is 100% contrary to God’s principles is questionable. Trump is far from perfect but is the candidate that defends more of the believers’ values
No! God wants your heart and your soul not your vote. But the Democrat Party is anti-God, anti-family, anti-man, and anti-Christian. This party has been a cancer to the black community since the 1960s.
@@anamauruYep! Well said
For decades, Evangelical pastors have made it clear they are Right Wingers. Step into one of their churches today and there will be open hostility to you.
@@anamauruMore of believers values??? So we value adultery, bearing false witness, coveteousness etc. God hates people like that (Pro 6:16-19). May the Lord rebuke you.
What bothers me about this conversation is that these ladies have a certain “nice” smugness in that they believe that they alone possess what the truth is, how the Bible should be interpreted (which isn’t divinely inspired), and have the only biblical view on all things spiritual; that if you disagree, say on the ordination of women, you need to repent or you may not have a seat at the table of the lamb. There’s a wideness in God’s mercy, and thankfully, he will decide, not you. As a former evangelical (age 69!) who stills loves and worships Jesus (in a spirit-filled mainline church), I don’t miss the condescending attitudes, the measuring to see if if one is evangelical enough, the assumption that those who have reconstructed their faith are hell-bound, etc. I’d like to hear more, “This is what I think, but I may be wrong and I can learn from you.” In other words, humility.
And for what it’s worth, every one of the many reconstructed people I know have expressed gratitude for various aspects of their conservative upbringing, particularly for the emphasis on biblical knowledge.
The term is deconstructed, not reconstructed, I think.
@@kathykardashian7750 Actually, reconstruction is the rebuilding after deconstruction. I prefer the term because that’s what happens and because the word deconstruction has become synonymous (in conservative Christianity anyway) with back sliding down the dreaded slippery slope into God knows what. Every serious Christian realizes at different times that their views of God or their understanding of a piece of scripture needs to be adjusted because they were mistaken. Happens most Sundays in church. We listen, learn, deconstruct, then reconstruct. As the Presbyterians say, always reforming.
I don't get this view from these women.
Some things are true and biblical so being apologetic about it is false humility and cowardice at worse.
Then apparently you don't believe Paul when he writes to Timothy that it is inspired by the Holy Ghost. If you're reconstructing you need to reconstruct it the Bible was inspired because that's what the Bible says which means God said it because Jesus said that it was his Bible
@@chaplainstudent5689 I’m not referring to the inspiration of scripture, but to the interpretation of it. The variants of interpretation of inspired scripture is the reason we have hundreds (thousands?) of denominations, each thinking it is the gate keeper of truth. Some Wesleyans deconstruct and then reconstruct as Calvinists and vice versa. Happens all the time. Some folks were against women teaching men in a church, did some further study and decided that the teaching in the epistles was to specific audiences, not to the church forever. There’s room for disagreement, but not condemnation.
On another note, Alisa Childers critiquing Father Richard Rohr is like a Freshman art major critiquing PICASSO.
Rohr is no Picasso
I'm not a fan of Rohr.
God through the Bible critiques Richard Rohr as a false teacher.
Are you saying both Rohr and Picasso are perfect and undeserving of any critique?
The bible critiques the Richard Rohr, and Picasso
The bible says both are found lacking
Neither need religion
Both need to approach God as the bible sets out
Humility, repentance, forgiveness, restoration
Only found in
Jesus Christ
A person must be born again John 3:16
All religion is man made. Each one is true and all the others are false. Which one do you belong to?
Jesus Christ is the truth, but you're right: as soon as you embrace a particular faith church (yes, alas, a "cult" though not necessarily a cult where the pastor takes all your assets and sleeps with your wife) you necessarily enter both truth and falsehood. But not to enter a particular faith church is to enter a non church secularist cult, but still a cult. Embracing a church cult (Anglican, Baptist, Pentecostal, etc) is the best choice of all the options if you want your life to have meaning. But you're right, you'll be in a cult which embraces both truth and falsehood, not matter what.
This "truth" is powerfully depicted in the recent move Dune (especially Dune Part 2). Highly recommended.
Have you looked into Orthodoxy
Here’s a shiny idea for you folks: honor is earned, respect is earned. The absolutely moronic view you two hold over abuse, so flippant and defensive.
It’s not burning itself out, deconstruction is an avalanche that is just getting started. We will see a lot more evangelical copium videos in the years ahead.
I laughed when she through out Pascal’s wager, such a debunked trope, people have dismissed the reality of Zeus without worrying about 😂😂
Haha, it's amazing the effect Trump has on people, the guy is an American Myth. We likely won't see another like him in our lifetimes.
HaHa the world is burning up and you think its a myth? Trump will not leave office, period, and one of his sons will follow. You're the court jester.
Greatest leader of my time. These smart women are clueless about how to run a country.
I agree. This obsession with Trump is weird. What does he have to do with Christianity? He’s a businessman turned politician who’s a lot better than what the Democrats are serving up. That’s all. It’s like we have to reject him to prove we’re Christian. And support BIDEN?? What? Are you kidding me?
Someone deleted another one of my comments here. How First Amendment/Romans 13 of them.
@@kathykardashian7750 "Greatest leader" leads the world into sin (lies, adultery, greed, pride...).
This is,a really good cinversation🩷
I really enjoyed it as well. Anne is very articulate and both of these women are very charitable toward ex-evangelicals.
SILENCE WOMAN, SILENCE!
You're NOT qualified to be pastoral roll or teach NO YOU ARE NOT, SILENCE! - SHUT it OFF NOW.
@@ashqelon7267 Wow, that's repulsive and un-Christian. Please remember that The Word can be fairly interpreted to say that PAUL does not allow a woman to speak, and that was inappropriate for the Corinthians.