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Hello sir, how would I be able to reach out to you in order for us to communicate?
All these topics like genderstudies, like I mentioned before. Were crafts of propaganda emerging from Russia and China.
You sir made it seem a lot like you were part of this propaganda.
I will explain: the woke narrative is just one side, the other side is the anti woke.
Why? Because polarization consists of 2 sides of the equation.
It wasn’t your intent, you were controlled into doing what you did, by propaganda spread to you by someone or something.
The confusion must hurt your brains, it did the same for years trying to fix the puzzle for me.
It hurts how I’m exposing them and people are controlled to bring me down, isolate me, it is way deeper than any person on earth can imagine.
It’s the reason why and how companies started to become more authoritarian over the last few years too.
We need to stop Russia and China.
I have learnt to discern between a "predator tyrant" and not that but I only know because I faced certain things head on and survived and can say that after some time even the 'predator tyrant' has a chance to become man (back to human)
Jordan can you help me get the tickets for your Hamilton show I’ll even work for you I’ve been sharing your videos to friends and family they all love you man ♥️💯
#JordanBPeterson come to Niagara I’d like to talk to you Please reach out to Niagara peninsula housing Dave young
is my mentor And you seem to be a life coach 🤙💯
First it was innocent until proven guilty in court, then innocent until indicted, then innocent until accused. Now we're just guilty by being alive.
" In a closed society, where everyone is guilty, the only crime is getting caught. The only ultimate sin, is stupidity" ~ Dr. Hunter S. Thompson ( Fear and loathing )
When I read this in the 1990s, My first thought was " Geez, is thus guy jaded, and paranoid".
I know now, he saw the world with eyes who longed for the American Dream, The Liberty to succeed or fail, but free to do either , and on your own.
Well, we are all sinners in one form or another…. But legally guilty is an entirely different thing isn’t it… ? ✌️
@@Zoofactory only those of you whom subscribe to that social paradigm are that thing you claim... you can't foist that on the rest of us.
Also, neat book, three felonies a day, check it out... almost all u.s Citezens commit 3 unwitting felonies a day
Chris Sullins, that’s one of the best comments I’ve ever read. Nailed it.
Look at Johnny Depp!
Clips like this that compress JP’s practical, mythological, and metaphysical philosophies into a ~10 min package are golden to me because they are like an excavation. There are truths abound here, layers deep, and if you keep digging, new meaning always reveals itself.
Your talk was life changing. It went to my core. I’ve been cursed with high sensitivity so I try to protect myself. I’ve missed out on so much growth and experience because I always tried to never be the fool.
You’ve challenged me so much and I thank you.
Thank you Dr Peterson and I love you.
I've been listening to JBP for over 4 years now. I always learn something useful every time he speaks 💫
Men and women need to reinforce dialogue, trust, mutual respect, responsibility and most of all lovingkindness towards each other. Thank you Jordan ✝️❤️
Reminds me of that scene from HBO's Rome when Cicero argues:
"When confronted by a hungry wolf, it is unwise to goad the beast, as Cato would have us do. But it is equally unwise to imagine the snarling animal a friend and offer your hand, as Pompey does."
Yes but his example is from the woman's perspective....and _thats_ the dragon. Thats *chaos.* Its not good.
Clean your penis.
That's because the wolf is hungry. Men are horny. Huge difference.
What a coincidence. I've just discovered the Rome 2005 series and finished watching season 1 and out of the sudden you are mentioning it in a comment. Life is bizarre.
So according to this video, should you recognize the wolf as it is, but still offer your hand out to it as a gesture of the recognition of their latent nobility?
I like to think so, because it keeps in line with the beauty and the beast myth JP portrayed in the video.
“I know you’re a wolf, and that’s better than a timid dog, but I know there is a part of you desiring to put that wolf to good use, and I believe you and I can begin a partnership designed to promote that side of you.”
The book “Call of the Wild” just popped in my head as well. Probably a similar theme there.
Thank you, Jordan. Relationships can be a cooperative rather than a monarchy. Both parties must accept responsibility and work together to strive for a successful raising of children.
Hogwarts isn't real either, bro.
@@jasonleonard9776 Hogwarts is a setting for a myth that reveals truth.
Thank you for your reply.
Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen
Question and maybe it's the cynic in me, but why do people post these comments? I feel it would be far better to read comments and focus that energy on helping that specific person, rather than just putting this generic statement.
The reason I feel this is because I see these comments and it appears to me to be the opposite of what you are saying. You want others to like your comment to make you feel good about what you said, not based on what you are actually doing.
So in short you do this to gain likes for yourself but really aren't seeking to help others.
Again, this may say more about me, but that is my thought whenever I see these comments.
I get sick of that comment
@@maxmartez7849 well said. I think it’s largely the case unfortunately.
Stop praying and give me some money, wanker. Your church/pastors must have quite a lot. Jesus wouldn't do that kind of hold into material possessions.
@@maxmartez7849 its the same guy posting the same message over lots of videos.
The way this man uses words.. and his sense of logic is so on point and rare. It is amazing what one man that bears his responsibility and has his shit together can do. Thank God for Jordan.
Ah! The solution to monster is not to kill the monster, it is to have your own
You can't kill the monster even if you wanted to , suppression only makes it manifest itself unwillingly in unpredictable ways.
The alternative is let it be naturally and begin to negotiate with yourself about what that monster can and can't do based on your morality.
Most men and most women want to love each other built strong bonds and create good families. We need strong men and strong women who speak their truth. Those post modern activists are detached from reality and they are busy occupying themselves with wreaking havoc instead of getting down to hard, productive and socially beneficial work. Thank you Gentlemen.
That is not true anymore.
There is no "their truth" there is only "the truth." Their true is narcissistic talk.
I can say that my truth is that if I get stabbed I won't bleed. You know for a fact that it isnt true. But I don't have to agree with your position because it's not what I believe it to be true. And even if proven wrong I can still dig my heels in deeper and still believe my own BS.
See how "their truth" and "my truth" is poison.
JBP being on point is just a beautiful thing to witness.
it's of 'sacrifice and satisfaction' where the two are interlaced ... you can not have one without the other.
The key to every door is sacrifice, - Richard Silliker
And yet, I feel 100% content sitting on my deck watching the squirrels
I've been following you JP for a while and I've learnt a from you.
I hope you ultimately comes the foundation of Truth. And what is truth and life after what we have now. Life without Christ who saves and reconciled us back to our creator regardless of these worldly achievement is meaningless.
Thanks 🙏
Thank you Jordan Peterson
Strong women are so very very important.
I ain't sacrificing myself. No kids here.
In regards to Jordan's last point: the last tactic a cultist has when all the evidence for their belief has been debunked, is to just *insist* on it as if it's a fundamental truth of reality. And hope that you'll be so awed by the strength of their belief that you'll realize the error of your ways. 'Surely no one could believe so strongly in something that isn't true!' Yes they can. And when they pull that shit, push harder. Send them into a nervous breakdown. They'll either shatter into nothing or wake up as a human being.
Western humanity suffers from a massively wounded feeling function. The feeling function is the only function that can provide genuine and lasting Meaning to a person. We are living in a world were pleasure inducing stimulants in alle shapes and form are numbing and covering our feeling function. I believe it can only be countered towards a middleway again if man is willing to counsciously suffer, and realise what hes made of.
If you meet a monster, ask first if it is of The Creator, or if it is of The Adversary. Since you sort of, in a certain way, to some degree, hypothetically know so much about theology, Dr Peterson.
He’s not wearing a suit!! He’s turning into Mr. Rogers!
Gracias, Pescador de Hombres.
Unleash the Beast! Dark creature of habits. Eclipse the light with the dark the art of mirrors!
Thank you for your help getting us through life. I listen to you everyday! You should make a Truth Social account if you are not aware of it yet. Better than Twitter and Facebook.
Jordan seems to believe that he is "FIGHTING" monsters. “I act as if God exists, and I’m terrified he might.” ~ Jordan Peterson
That thing that is lost maybe because of our school structure, many attend religious based schools in UK (4-18 years old) (though that is changing so will be another experiment), many of the pupils don't continue with religion after leaving the school. So they are not part of a larger social construct that binds them, leading to a sense of loss, without identifying the cause..(I'm probably totally wrong it may be localised to UK, singing hyms etc in assembly).
Jordan sees feminism for what it is: telling women that they shouldn't ever have to take on any risk or discomfort ever, as if there won't be any negative consequences to that. Feminism says, "Women: STAY WEAK! And nag the world to stop bullying you!" Because that'll work.
Roger Roger, good Ol Sir Roger!
No sacrifice only choice...
Choose wisely. The End.
Please do more lectures
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@@MasteryOrder no
Is that Robert Redford's academic doppelgänger?
There is something about female nature that yearns for inequality in the relationship. Whether they want to be a top or a bottom, the more unequal they are, the better, it seems. And that's so at odds with humbly picking someone closer to your own capabilities, even if those capabilities differ from person to person within the relationship. Now scale that up to the political level and it all fits into place.
@Gen Isis I prefer nuance to simplicity. And I don't believe in love.
It is so difficult to celebrate something that is not exactly the same the used to or what was etc if anything it is a private practice of gratefulness rather than celebration, because there is much importance to be able to keep hold of the truth and new order of which the ultimate outcome is known to be unknown but yet perceived and I have not found any other yet who could sit for the dinner with me to then share and discuss. I know how the time is now, how important it is to be able to balance and understand the preportions of mercy and grace as well as quite a lot else but the air of finality or totality or rendering, or for simply lack of any words but full silence that is loud and sensed and well there's much I cannot share or say because of trust and the high importance of being ready and willing and patient and grateful and humble so being flexible enough to buckle down to knees in practice to excercise humility for the task is heavy and the way forward I believe is light and that's the only thing I can truly know and decide to place full faith in which in itself is something that often seals up and heals too I suppose yet not without pain , suffering and past beat down with hell and death and surviving that more than once, which is where it also seals up into a category and basically ... uh the words weird and crazy but not a fool and .... yeah, JP I feel you and at the heart core and am if anything but a shadow that from a distance is standing for the same thing and you have to know , and there is not at all a way that I am joking , you are not alone. And it's Strange to say that but it's true. And so I say A Yes and Amen because I feel it too and am grateful for every breath and at times can be tender hearted and ready to shed tears of overflow and those I sew too because I am here for the good, the truth , the light, I'm not setting stones as marks up mountain climbs for no reason, there is truly so much significance to each little thing, and just know that you've got a shoulder and a fellow warrior and it is mercy and grace and gratitude and thank God also love, but from above, received from more than , with words I won't try to use to describe or define , because mostly I only know but just a little and the rest of what I know is somehow comforting to me to not know , It helps me to embrace and be open and be ready and willing and focused and head strong heart strong and I honestly cannot leave out how being strong mentally, psychologically and then also spiritually, etc basically everything that is of life in me and then some , you've got back up , Sir . If I ever meet you in person, I would be honored to shake your hand. As an equal. Fair. Good enough. Fair enough. Respect absolutely. Thank you for your work and life on this earth, you are one of very few that I know about who are on a similar plain so to speak , Amen you're in my prayers, You’re not forgotten in my life, definitely not, so I appreciate you and your presence and I feel incredible compassion for you, that is painful and sometimes has me encouraging you behind the screen but I know you can do it, there's no way you can't pull through, I smack down any monster before you on your behalf, and thats not for you it's not for me but it's for everyone , everyone.
I've found that my life meaning comes from experience. I'm a hyper dimensional conciousness piloting a meat robot around inside the body of a sentient universe and it is experiencing and learning through me. Who knows maybe it's running new experiments utilizing the lessons somewhere out there
I'm business sacrifice is called opportunity cost
Good one very interesting points taken.
This is a prime example of misunderstanding of how normal spread works. 90% of hierarchies work fine, 5% are very good and 5% are very bad. So there will ALWAYS be a bad hierarchies. So we have to focus on how to identify bad ones and change them as well as identify good ones and learn from them. Not to claim that because 5% of hierarchies are bad we have to kill 95% that are good or decent.
The originator of tyranny has taken hold of heavenly places or government the result is now happening. Fullfillment of Daniel 11:37 "He will show no regard for the God of his fathers; nor will he show regard for the desire of women, or for any other god, but he will magnify himself over everyone." Gos on to speak of, "he" the human male gives glory to violence.
Almighty God must intervene, as he has in the past. Even that history is hidden. But the rocks are crying out the truth of history. We have been taught lies. It will come as an abrupt awakening to reality for many, especially the wicked.
Does anyone else see that intentionally or not, he's making a great argument for the Catholic religion?
Can you explain further?
Since the church has been hijacked, it’s Jeb’s of wisdom have been widely distributed by those seeking to gain its power, but in a dry secular way.
It is quite intentional. JBP is a right-wing pundit and religious fundamentalist.
The Bible says that the last enemy to be put down is death. Mankind is clueless on this point
without the finished work of Christ on the cross. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God His suffering and death being the only one with merit. The Roman Empire construct of stoicism was back in
that time the spawning of Church traditions trying to untangle the knot of suffering that Jesus already did for mankind on His cross. The traditions of men perceive suffering as something to yield to, rather than yielding to the deliverances of God through Christ as described in scripture. What did Jesus mean when He said it is finished? And He said , Behold I give unto you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy and nothing shall by any means harm you. That power is grace to hear the voice of Jesus calling across the bridge and it is framed up by the
. Blood of Christ and the Word of God. To take up one's cross and follow Christ takes you to His cross and that work is finished. Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of Me for I am meek and lowly of heart and ye shall find rest for your souls.
He entered into rest and He resurrected and is seated at the right hand of the Father interceding for
us. He knows the strategies that are needed to win every battle and enter into a Living Rest.
Yes, some successful people have literally done the stealing.
"Some". More like 99.9 % of them. The rich are not succesful by their own power, not even close.
I doubt my progeny would be of "great significance."
Have you read the book The 33 Witches? Its rather old but the title says it all...
Jordan, nice material on that suit jacket! 👌
"Participates in classroom discussions, but does not play well with others."
(As long as I don't kill you, it's only rough and tumble play...now, who wants to play the siLent game?)
Yes. My wife will have to give up all other MEN, for sure. 100%. You should definitely be saying THAT.
Bravo
If I was a monster and didnt know I was a monster dont tell me im a monster teach me im Not for the best outcome.
In any case if you know the womans a monster talk to the woman and ignore the monster it will shrink to be come like the woman yet if you feed that monster it could get bigger🤷♀️
It doesnt have to be just about women either.
Dont feed anyones monsters when you know what they are.
To be honest, I've got the same message, and am not a man , but a woman (with a womb) which is weird because I have only heard echo back from men it's weird because of feel like I have something to give that might help full the missing link
It isn't really a monster. That's the thing.
The shadow is the part of you _without_ substance. There is a distinction to be made between the animated shadow and the inactive shadow.
Nietzsche's inactive shadow was the ropedancer in Zarathustra I.E Nietzsche's unconscious attempt to create the superman by crossing a tightrope from ordinary humanity to superhumanity.
He failed, and the active shadow knocked him to his death. So the ropedancer's failure predicts Nietzsche's own madness and eventual death, for Zarathustra says that his soul will die before his body.
In Peterson's case, his active shadow is a feeling of inferiority, while his inactive shadow is a power attitude. Because the two are really one: we put on airs to cover up our inferiority, so one necessarily attends the other.
Peterson tries to deny his urge for power by weaving a rationalization about how power doesn't drive society. This is why the culture war outside him is really a conflict going on _inside_ him. And he cannot win the one if he doesn't recognize the other. He cannot recognize the other because he dismisses subjectivity, and this is his downfall because it leaves him perfectly blind to his own nature as Nietzsche was.
I'm going to put it to you like this: you say gratitude and competence are the answer. But it is evident that they haven't worked within your own psychology, so why do you expect them to work on the collective scale? Your own life proves that you are wrong. I won't elaborate why Peterson is wrong, at least not yet. But it is a fact.
All that said, there is hope. I think Nietzsche came closer to creating the overman than Jung gives him credit for (at least publicly.) Because I beileve if he'd had made the transition, he would have created a western conception of the Bodhisattva. Whether or not this would have been possible has less to do with the limitations of man or values and more to do with the limitations of our condition. But my intuitions suggest it can be done. It is doubtful we call it the overman if it is ever achieved -- it will not be a superior man in the way Nietzsche consciously formulated, for that would simply be inhuman. But it will be a new kind of man. A new attitude.
The comment section is becoming weirder each day.
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Better than "take your chances and hope the man miraculously chooses not to victimize you" IS PURGING MODERN LOVE!
It's not like it existed before the 60's or when it was birthed in the 50's!
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PREDATORY!
Male to female, AND FEMALE TO MALE ALSO, BOTH OF THEM!
"Wealth attracts many friends,
but even the closest friend of the poor person deserts them."
"What a person desires is unfailing love;
better to be poor than a liar."
Proverbs 19
You are right that men want women to have sex with them and women want men to have someone provide for them.
It's hard to know whether people want to hang around you because you can give them something they want or because they love you just for you. Sometimes it's better to be poor (not just in terms of wealth but in terms of intelligence, credentials, personality, sex appeal, etc) because then you know the people in your life are not there because of any reason except for the fact that they love you.
But maybe it is impossible for a relationship to be entirely unconditional. Marriage wouldn't be marriage without the desire for sex and the capability to provide for a family. You might as well just stay friends if there is no expectation of those things being met from another person. So in some sense, it is necessary for relationships to be somewhat transactional. A little bit of selfishness and predatory behaviour is necessary to have your own needs met, but anything more than that and you become a greedy, gluttinous wolf in sheep's clothing. You can't expect people to give you more than you need. That will just lead to feelings of disappointment, where disappointment leads to bitterness and bitterness leads to anger. And anger turns you into a controlling predatory monster that no one wants to be around.
@@potapotapotapotapotapota the basic tenets of Taoism is to be "poor" in those things you stated. One can be rich with simplicity as a genuine human.
@@Taldaran I agree the only reason we want those things is because we ourselves greedy and never satisfied with our lives. Learning to be satisfied with as little as possible frees you from a lot of the burdens people create for themselves.
Alas if you were my father but, you were not and now i am a monster.
If you enjoy challenging ideas and if mastery and masculinity are topics of interest to you, I invite you to explore the videos I share on the Mastery Order Channel.
Challenge yourself with some ideas about manhood, explore your masculine potential and become the kind of man you would admire.
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OPEN WIDE PANDORA'S BOX (a poem by Tiffany Carman)
Open wide Pandora's box.
Journey to a culture where the Goddess reigns supreme.
Re-trace HERstory woven by the Matriarchs.
Read to your daughters, Cinderella and Goldilocks,
But preface them with the "male-dominated" machine,
So that we may open wide Pandora's box.
Worship of the Sun/Son demanded clocks,
Yet, in witches' eyes, the female power gleams.
Re-joice in the rhythmic cycles of the Matriarchs.
For the man who whistles, rapes, and stalks,
Help your sisters spin and spin their dreams, not scream.
We must open wide Pandora's box.
Like a paper hand that shadows rocks,
Silently, we gather and chant our ritual regime.
Re-cite the wisdom of our Matriarchs.
Dance on the graves of overbearing Patriarchs;
Dance in the midnight light of moonbeams.
Re-embrace ourselves, our Matriarchs.
Open wide Pandora's box.
(I wrote this villanelle in the early 90s)
Relative, objective, and/or subjective...1 persons "loss" is never the same as another..and to tell 1 person "your loss isnt anything significant"...seems very out of touch in my eyes, but what do I know 🤷🏾♂️
I listen to most of your videos . I love your content . You’re right it’s a brave thing you’re asking women to trust a man instead of trying to make him prove himself. It’s a toxic trait. But one I have developed over time and not because I enjoy being extra protective of myself but because time and time again I have trusted seemingly good normal men and treated them like kings only to be raped and abused drained financially as I support both of us and mocked for ever loving or trusting these men In the first place. It didn’t happen just once …. I have hope in love and balance that you describe. But I only have one life and I am done trusting men with it. Best of luck to all the other brave women . I hope you have luck on your side that you find a man that treats you like a human being . But so many more women experience the disappointments that I have and to them I say be brave and unapologetic. Choose yourself heal and find peace in yourself. Do not let society put pressure on you to serve men and that you are taking away from society when you don’t . We’ve suffered enough. We are worth more than how we’ve been treated and lied to. We can find solace in pleasing and trusting ourselves only without taking away from more hopeful individuals but not submitting to wolves in sheep’s skin . I owe no man any more chances and my worth is determined by only me. I do not need to show society how to have a good relationship… I’ve tried at a dear cost again and again. I will love myself for once and never allow another man to rob me in so many ways ever again . Especially if it’s not important to them to prove that they aren’t a predator… that usually means they are . Live and let live .
Also can you please clarify what you mean about inviting a man out from his monster side ( I quoted that wrong I’m sure ) I would like more on that please . Because to me and many others that sounds more like … give dangerous men a chance … maybe he’ll only hit you once but that’s just the monster side overall he’s still a good man not like all men …. Maybe he’ll only cheat on you once … he’s still a good man …. But if you leave him you aren’t a good or brave woman . …. Please I’m serious I love your content . My brother and I are big fans of you Jordan. And I had always been a big supporter of treat your man like a king don’t belittle the man thinking it would be returned. It never is . How many chances am I supposed to give to men to prove to me that they are worthy . My whole life ? Because many women do give their entire life in service to deceitful ungrateful but “good” men. Doesn’t that mean that the woman was never even worth being treated as simply another human being . Or are we only counted virtuous if we continue to give hope to men DESPITE the very real reality that they are dangerous. Even the good ones . Yes it’s not all men but it’s a hell of a lot and my faith keeps landing on the dark side of men . I owe no more of my life to prove to society that it’s not all men. In my experience it’s been all men including the good men in my life.
@@str199316 it sounds like your issue might be that you aren't offering a hand, you're offering your hand, arm, leg, foot. You do have to be cautious for exactly the reasons you mention, but it's also not a solution to be so cautious that you condemn all men just because that's what's safer for you.
I think the proper thing to take away from this is, "be aware of the monsters, but have the courage to face them if need be, but not so much that the monster claims you".
If nothing else, at least ask yourself this, "am I making this decision out of logic and reason, or because of fear or resentment?" I don't know what the answer is because I don't know what the circumstances and events of your life were, but it's a question that has greatly helped me personally.
Sonora, I am in complete agreement with you. I’ve had the same experiences (and lest anyone wonders, I’m a conservative religious female). I really adore what JP says here, but it absolutely fascinates me how blind men are to the fact woman’s trust and kindness is very often abused. And I get that they wouldn’t see it-why would they!? This isn’t to say men don’t have their own types of abuse thrown their way, but that thing JP asks -to offer your hand to the monster, is asking the world of someone. Of course it’s noble. But if the chances of that actually working is 5%, to the rest of the world, especially to evil men, you’re just a stupid female who is deserving of all the ill treatment coming to her. The ‘dumb’ broad that believes in love.
SO It’s a catch 22. ..and it’s upsetting because, again, in a real slight-of-hand backhanded way, it’s the men still wanting you to do something that isn’t actually good for you. A plea of, ‘let us take advantage of you again’’. I don’t say this to put men down, and I’m absolutely certain in some way there’s an equal feminine way to which that phrase can be said of the female from the man (and I wouldn’t know of it since I can never be a man, but I’ve read things and understood there are).
Maybe it’s just because I’m a woman, I see this ‘’noble bravery of trust’’ as the crux of being a woman, her cross she must die upon and has no way of escaping. You either except it, play along with it (which means lying and pretending) or die (and quite honestly I’ve several times contemplated suicide because of it). Perhaps men have an equivalent inherent gender role fear/hurt. It is like every gender to side with their own having the same experiences. We can’t see each other’s gender crux.
When my dad asked why I didn’t take a high paying job offered to me, I told him it’s because I got the vibe the man hiring me wanted sex from me and was offering me the job to get close to me. And given that the job meant I’d be alone in his car traveling to job sites with him, that put me in a way too vulnerable position to accept…to which my dad, irate with my decision said, ‘’well at least if he rapes you we will know who did it.’’ Zero, absolutely no understanding at all. I think my dad thinks of rape as just an uncomfortable inconvenience. But then again, men go to fight wars, willingly and rigorously enjoy and want sex..why should they understand the fear and trauma rape or any other time a trust is bestowed and is with great delight, viciously broken? They do that to each other all the time…because they have to, and they resent women for the provisions made for her safety and comfort.
I don’t know how any of this gets solved except through both sexes taking up their cross and deciding and following through with what is noble. And that’s difficult, but we’re told it’s worth it. I’m not certain anymore, except if we all did what was comfortable nothing good would ever come.
I suppose I would ask, did you love yourself in those relationships? Like truly, did you have healthy boundaries? Because I see you, and many women, hurt by men, vowing to "love themselves" once and for all, as if they hadn't truly valued themselves in the relationship before. So I ask you, did you have that sense of value for yourself in the relationships? If not, if you had, do you think things would have gone differently? Not to pin any one-sided responsibility here. Surely, a man is responsible for abusing a person, but a person is equally responsible for standing up for themselves and not letting themselves be abused. Is that sort of attitude what you seek when you say "I will love myself for once and never allow another man to rob me?"
@@TheChadPad I like your insight and questions. I often feel that women grow up being taught that they only get their value if they have a man in their life . I was taught this . I had great optimism for a life that all these good men pretend to want also . But then they mirror my desires and dreams just to have my body and services temporarily all while lying , cheating , and using me . Often times I believe women like me who are hopeful in men and believe in the dream become too trusting and emotionally codependent that even if they are semi healthy like anyone before this kind of narcissistic relationship dynamic any self worth that was there is completely crushed or warped or both . And you’re correct, understanding and enforcing healthy boundaries is an individual task . And that’s what I’m deciding to finally and aggressively do . And by aggressive I mean no exceptions. And I will not allow society to tell me I’m doing something wrong by not giving anymore men a chance . I’ve given too many and I only have one life . I still have time to rebuild my self worth and thrive in this world as a single woman. Being single doesn’t mean I can’t adopt . Being protective of myself and deciding not to date and even having my own opinion about how dangerous men are (again based on lots of REAL terrible traumatic experiences) does not take away from Men or even women who want to continue their chances in love. So why must I be shamed or questioned on my stance of men and love . I owe nothing to anyone it’s my life and my body and I do love myself more every time I’m not loving a man . Not having a man I’m my life is the logical solution to loving myself . Because it’s insane to do the same thing over and over expecting different results right 🤣 why would I keep putting myself out there for the abuse . Because it’s not all men ? Right it’s not but that doesn’t mean I have to keep taking my chances my time is precious too. And got those who say pick better men 😂 I’ve dated a variety of different types of men always hoping that one of them is just telling the truth . None of them ever did. Why would I continue to ruin my life because their are lonely men out there 😂😂😂 no thank you because all the men I loved I had to beg them to love me. I will never do this again. Men absolutely terrify me and I have 0 hope in them now …. I love my father dearly but he’s the first man to show me that men never change that they will continue to cheat and lie and abuse and they get better at it in their old age . These men know how to look like good men even maybe are in many aspect good men . This makes me even more open my eyes to dangerous but good men . It make me realize that while I work on loving myself I must also stop trying to involve men in my life because I will just end up in a shelter like I always do . I’m done and I’ll let no man or woman tell me that standing my ground and taking ahold of my life alone is wrong . Could it get lonely? Sure but it’s far worse to commit to a monster that makes you want to kill yourself . I can’t go through it again and the chances of finding another “good” man that is simply another dangerous man is too high . I believe I can make a better life for myself with no man . I truly do and ever since I’ve been single I have a weight lifted and that’s proof that it’s not good for ME to be with a man . For ME , all the men in my life have been predators. I don’t even trust talking to men much anymore because they always take your weaknesses and use those against you too like empathy or forgiveness . No man I’ve dated cared about me . I have no obligation to men . I will stand by those people in my life who aren’t liars . Thank you for your comment 😊
poor mr.p. he has such a hard time with life.
Could it be that God is Order and Satan is Chaos and we have to walk the Straight Path between both because we can’t be like God but we also don’t want to be like Satan. Is that a possibility Dr. Peterson?
Not exactly.
God is PERFECT order, and satan ACTIVELY REJECTED that perfect order and suffered the consequences. Out of pure spite, satan causes as much death and destruction as he possibly can, because that's the only way he can hurt God.
CHAOS is "unlimited potential". The "infinite unknown". Chaos is everything that can be, bit is not yet, both for good or ill. Chaos is where you go when someone metaphorically pulls the rug out from under you in a massive and elaborate betrayal.
Satan can cause chaos, but that's not what he "represents".
You don't want to be like satan AT ALL, because he is nothing but spite, hatred and malice.
You want to be like God as much as possible, because He is PERFECT order, and that's completely and wholly good, all the time, in an unlimited fashion.
But the only way you cannget there is to repent your satanic ways as thoroughly as you understand, and request to be washed in the blood of Jesus and be babtized in the holy spirit.
@@JohnSmith-yc6uv I like much of what you said, however, there are three things I find questionable.
1. What do you mean by “he can hurt God”? Do you mean transgress against God or hurt God’s creations?
Or do you mean satan can actually harm God? Because I don’t believe that’s possible.
2. What do you mean by “repent your satanic ways”, do you mean stop everything satanic/wrong that you’re doing, ask for God for forgiveness and never go back to the wrong you were doing? Or is there some other meaning?
3. Can you elaborate on “washed by the blood of Jesus and babtized in the Holy Spirit”? What’s the meaning behind this? Why is it necessary?
I understand washing with water as an act for physical cleanliness and a metaphor for spiritual purification. But I’m not sure if that’s what you mean.
@@talmadhoun
I'm not ignoring you. I've been dealing with life. You ask some very good and important questions. I'll answer them asap
@@talmadhoun
Answer to question 1:
satan hurts God by hurting His creations. It's the only method of hurting God that he has.
Answer to question 2:
It means to change your mind on a thing. To start calling evil what God calls evil and reject it. To stop agreeing with satan and start agreeing with God. It also means what you said.
Important caveat: the entire point of repenting is to start focusing on God, and letting Him rule and guide you. If you obsess or otherwise focus too much on "doing the right thing", that in itself can potentially become an obstacle between you and God.
Answer to question 3:
We have all broken God's laws, for which the penalty is death. God MUST be just, or He is evil Himself, so He MUST enact punishment against those who break His law.
This is a problem when He wants to have unlimited and unmitigated fellowship and relationship with us. He He desperately wants to be merciful, but He MUST be just as well.
The only way to get this result is to have someone not guilty of violating the law, be punished instead of those who are guilty, on their behalf, completely of that someone's own free will.
The blood of Jesus is the penultimate blood contract that supersedes and satisfies all others. Through Jesus, God satisfied the law, whilst simultaneously enacting the greatest mercy ever known. When Jesus was resurrected, He left behind the sins of the world, and the full fufillment of the law occured. By being washed in His blood, (this is a spiritual thing that is done by Jesus Himself if you ask for it) all legal claims that satan has against you are nulled, meaning God has unlimited and unfettered access to shower you with mercy and grace again.
Being baptized in the Holy Spirit is having the actual spirit of God literally dwell in your body aa if it was His House. This is a natural result of genuine repentance and being washed in the His blood
I hope i answered your questions satisfactorily. I'll be happy to answer or clarify further if needed
@@JohnSmith-yc6uv Thank you for taking the time to reply.
1. Define “hurt God” because the standard dictionary definition is “physical injury; harm”. I don’t accept God can’t be physically injured or harmed (Glorified and Exalted Be He)
2. Re: “not focusing too much on doing the right thing, just letting God guide you”. How will I know then if God is guiding me or if I’m being delusional or if I’m just following my own desires?
3. How is God being Just (let alone Merciful) if he kills a completely innocent man for other peoples sins/guilt?
Also reading the entire 3rd paragraph, it seems that God is really restricted in what he can/can’t do?
Why doesn’t God - justly and mercifully- judge every human based on his/her intentions, words and deeds? And forgive them if He sees fit? (Glorified and Exalted Be He)
WOW! Not many know God as well as Dr. Peterson does.
Is it because of all of the suffering he and his family (May God protect them) had to endure?
Or is because he decided that’s he’s going speak the truth and pursue nothing but the truth regardless of the cost?
What makes you say that he knows God well? Honestly curious.
@@solaveritas2 The way he acts and what he teaches.
@@talmadhoun I see, I have a different definition of knowing God. The way I understand his acting and teaching is that he is a seeker after God and truth, and that is truly admirable. I just dont' think he actually knows Him (yet...)
@@solaveritas2 To my original comment, Why are people assuming that most “people of faith” or who say that they are “believers” know God?
Dr. Peterson knows God and is more terrified of God than most “believers” because of that he’s always conducting himself in the best possible manner.
Many “believers” are not acting in that manner because they’re not as fearful of God because they don’t really know God as well yet.
@@solaveritas2 Also I believe that God won’t turn down someone who is sincerely seeking the truth because God is the Absolute Truth and he is the All-Responsive
LOVE TRIBES.
I thought he was staying off social media.
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“Meaning is to be found in responsibility”
No Jordan ,meaning is to be found in glorifying the triune God of Scripture.Trying to follow His teachings in the inerrant word of the Holy Bible. You have a man-centred view of life,which is described in Romans 1:22 ( although they claimed to be wise,they became fools.)
"That's a sacrifice."
From the point of view of a thinker. This has it's place, but can be overblown and develop into a cramp of too much conscience because it ignores that everything is fundamentally ruled by chance.
Here's the point of view of the intuitive: every choice you make is really rooted in the Self. Possibilities not rooted in the Self wither. So opportunities that fall away from you are not really a sacrifice on your part because they were never part of the divine will in the first place.You cannot sacrifice what didn't belong to you and was actually the property of God.
This is not determinism, but I cannot explain it in any way that will make it intellectually apparent that this is all your own choice: that everything that happens to you is what you really wanted.
You could of just said there’s no such thing as free will only fate
“But when she gave birth to a female child, she said: 'O Lord! I have given birth to a female' - and Allah knew full well what she had given birth to - 'and a female is not the same as a male. I have named her Mary and commit her and her offspring to You for protection from Satan, the accursed.” - Quran 3:36
You're supposed to be a psychiatrist, not a poet from old ages...
This dude is a canadian word salad
And what are you?
someone indicated that JP is a vulgar narcissist.. I had played it down and dismissed them as some backalley troll ..but, in as much as I couldn't point it out, there is something terribly weird in this clip!!
Which part?
I don't know, probly its just the closing pic
as much as you couldn’t point it out and you don’t know - you think the closing pic is weird in this one clip. That makes Jordan a vulgar narcissist…?
Come the hell on now. What is your motive here?
What is a vulgar narcissist??
Don't waste your time here, the pearls of wisdom lost on you and your ilk
I watch as many of Dr Jordan Peterson's videos as I possibly can.
I have learned much from them.
However, the ideal he puts forth on the relationship between men and women is mostly unobtainable.
I make that comment purely from personal experience.
The men I have met in my lifetime, without exception, have been purely self serving.
100% self serving.
I entered the work force in the mid 1970's.
With the exception of only one of my male bosses, every one of them engaged in sexual harassment of one type or another. And fully felt that it was perfectly acceptable for them to touch my being, in what they would referred to as being "friendly". Or engage in inappropriate banter about females with other males in the work space.
The high ideal that Dr Jordan Peterson puts forth of the male/female relationship, is mared in the most part by the male.
Women learn very quickly not to trust males.
And sadly, very sadly, many women learn that as children are being molested by family members or family friends.
All the well thought out, well presented ideals for male/female relationships do not change these facts.
Even in male/female relationships that seem healthy, many times there is mental and/or physical abuse.
We have come to an age where women have begun to look at men the same way men look at woman, as objects.
And women deduct very quickly as to whether a particular object is useful or not.
The long time mental and physical abuse of women as changed from individual suffering and grown into a movement of returning that suffering to the entire group of men.
I'm in no way agreeing with that outcome or wanting to advance it.
Each human seems to be naturally moved to seek compassion, affection and love.
Unfortunately, those things have been highly corrupted.
LOVE MURDER. LOVE WAR. LOVE VIOLENCE.
Wtf
@@failedatmakingasandwich423 LOVE CRUELTY TOO.