Is there an online resource that explains the history of the Canadian Airborne Forces? All I know is that 1 Canadian Para Bn jumped on D-Day as part of the "British" 6th AB Div and that Cpl Topham won a VC - but I have a feeling that that was on Op Varsity. When did you cease using the Type X rig?
What is that music in the background? It has the same tone/notes as other songs/music I've heard in other Canadian Forces videos. Is it owned by the Canadian Forces? Did they come up with it? What's the story behind that??
I was an ARMY Captain at the end of Vietnam, wanted to go Airborne, but there were big cutbacks thus my request was not approved...I surely missed that, but at least I got to Jungle Expert School in Ft Sherman, Canal Zone! and airmobile operations, If someone can answer a question, what is the "shelf life" of a packed Parachute? I would imagine that at most it would be 6 months or between 3 to 6 mo, this is a guess. Anyone who knows let me know. I imagine that the life of the packed chute is limited by the life of the restraining "rubber bands". Would like to also know if the US and Canadian armies use the same models of main and reserve chutes. I understand that NO RAM shutes are used on static lines, low altitude drops, in order to assure all soldiers are equally spaced and do not run into each other if they had the big translation capacity of a RAM chute. Thus I understand that this the reason for the use of the basic round canopy with minimum directional control,,, Enlighten me?
Airborne troops run into each other all the time. You are taught to hold your arms out so you don't get caught up in the risers of the other parachute. And if you land on top of a parachute, you need to see which side it's falling on, and jump off on that side. If you choose wrong, you could callapse both canonapies, and you both would probably die. Unless you had time to open your reserve parachute, which at this point is unlikely.
[Master Builder Engineer] On my wings course (British), we were told 6 months. Any unused rigs get opened up, shaken out, checked and repacked. That said, we had the older rigs (Type X Mk3) that had no elastics. I left service in 1995 and STILL use some of the elastics I accumulated. Almost all are still in A1 serviceable condition and it took over a decade for any of them to start to show signs of deterioration. HOWEVER, dates aren't printed on elastics so there's never any way of knowing when an elastic will fail - so 6 month use/check makes good sense. In Britain, we have several low level static line rigs such as the IrvinGQ 360 Static Line Low Level (ram air) and the Irvin GQ 24' steerable Mk2 - both of which replaced (I believe) by the French BT-80 Multi-Mission System (ram air). These rigs aren't used by Paratroopers, more specialist military parachutists. Paratroopers use round canopies with minimum steerable capability. To "steer" away from hazards or reduce drift, you pull down a riser to spill air from the canopy. This gives some directional control but it increases descent speed. You want your troops to land within reasonable proximity to each other, especially on night drops. Ram airs in the context of busy or hot DZs can create MUCH greater problems, especially as they need to be steered INTO wind for a landing. I did a sports freefall course with the military. After a week or so of packing my own static line rig, I moved onto freefall. I wasn't allowed to repack the new rig and I had an uneasy feeling about it. I was right to: it had been left packed for God-knows-how-long, had had other rigs piled up on it and I had a "delayed opening". Meaning that, upon pulling the release handle, the drogue deployed but nothing else happened. The drogue couldn't deploy the main 'chute because the rig had been left compacted for so long that it'd seized up. I believe it's the same reason why earlier jumpers used to thump their reserve before pulling the handle, in the 1960s/70s. Glancing over my shoulder to assess my problem, I tumbled. Apparently, I did some impressive acrobatics before regaining the "starfish" position again - then the canopy deployed. I don't know for how long I freefalled on this intended "3 second delay pull"... I was told by my instructor that I should have pulled my reserve EVEN DESPITE THE TUMBLE - I STILL believe that's wrong if you're tumbling: your lines could wrap/entangle around you. Then there's whiplash injuries to consider. You need to stabilise your position THEN pull the reserve, if it's needed. As a Para who's used to dropping from 750-800', I had PLENTY of height/time to think, act and get it right - my life depended on that. I didn't think much of the instructors. Everything was "monkey see, monkey do" and they didn't like questions. Total contrast to the expertise at RAF Brize Norton (No1 PTS). The atmosphere at the club wasn't good and people were bossed about like recruits. If someone's just finished the course and was being rushed (as we often were) to pack his rig before signing off the course, the odds that he'd pack conscientiously were likely low - and I was well aware of that when I given the rig. If I were allowed to have done things MY way (repack), I believe this incident would not have happened. I should have "accidently" popped the handle to ensure that I repack it. Hindsight is a great thing... I guess they never used to test pull closures to ensure correct pull weights, in those days...
@@garydflatt4904 Bouncing off someone else's rigging lines is like hitting a vertical trampoline! We use the spreadeagle position but with one hand over the reserve handle (metal "D") to prevent it getting pulled by a line. The despatcher lost his timing and I found myself knee deep in someone else's canopy. I "steered" in the same direction as he did - sheer bad luck! You've perhaps 2-3 seconds to act. There was no knowing which way he faced nor would steer. One moment there, next moment dropping - then clear space: dropped out of the sky before reopening about 100-150' later...
most of the american videos i've seen are for round (actually square-ish) canopies used for mass drops. this rig, as well as american, freefall rigs are square (actually rectangular-ish) canopies that have very different packing methods. round canopies are traditionally packed on tables because it's easier on the packer, and a round canopy is more linear and compact once stretched out, where a square is too wide to fit on a table, without it being so wide that the packer needs to climb on the table to pack it. edited to add, here's a video of an american freewill rig being packed on the floor. th-cam.com/video/mugSqmZKwYs/w-d-xo.html
this is a different packing procedure that we witnessed at Cold Lake Air Force Base. They used a large, long, wide table with numbered pins and each line had a number matched to the pin. This was a "indoor, warehouse" environment for packing. This technique and chute could be packed anywhere.
Keep the bitches out .....let them have their own unit with a female CO....No male intervention, they want equality, then goddamn picket your govt for it, if not, the Fuck off down the road and stop trying to be makes.
Why does the Canadian way of packing a free fall chute look easier than the us army way
Really should remove the air bottom to top. Reduces the likely hood of the lines becoming slack inside the canopy.
Is there an online resource that explains the history of the Canadian Airborne Forces? All I know is that 1 Canadian Para Bn jumped on D-Day as part of the "British" 6th AB Div and that Cpl Topham won a VC - but I have a feeling that that was on Op Varsity.
When did you cease using the Type X rig?
You guys should make more tutorials like this, and the finaly season should be how to invade a small country
RI'G'GER'--Again positioned, car. Hawaiian-- My Granpa's mom, was Canadian Wyandot. Grant.
What is that music in the background? It has the same tone/notes as other songs/music I've heard in other Canadian Forces videos. Is it owned by the Canadian Forces? Did they come up with it? What's the story behind that??
Hello I still jump with a ripcord and a spring in the civilian in Europe , nice to see the good Canadians too the same grts
Must be nice to be a rigger🥰there
We have a crazy RA-1 parachute 😢
How can I get on the freefall course as an infanteer?
I was an ARMY Captain at the end of Vietnam, wanted to go Airborne, but there were big cutbacks thus my request was not approved...I surely missed that, but at least I got to Jungle Expert School in Ft Sherman, Canal Zone! and airmobile operations, If someone can answer a question, what is the "shelf life" of a packed Parachute? I would imagine that at most it would be 6 months or between 3 to 6 mo, this is a guess. Anyone who knows let me know. I imagine that the life of the packed chute is limited by the life of the restraining "rubber bands". Would like to also know if the US and Canadian armies use the same models of main and reserve chutes. I understand that NO RAM shutes are used on static lines, low altitude drops, in order to assure all soldiers are equally spaced and do not run into each other if they had the big translation capacity of a RAM chute. Thus I understand that this the reason for the use of the basic round canopy with minimum directional control,,, Enlighten me?
Airborne troops run into each other all the time. You are taught to hold your arms out so you don't get caught up in the risers of the other parachute. And if you land on top of a parachute, you need to see which side it's falling on, and jump off on that side. If you choose wrong, you could callapse both canonapies, and you both would probably die. Unless you had time to open your reserve parachute, which at this point is unlikely.
[Master Builder Engineer]
On my wings course (British), we were told 6 months. Any unused rigs get opened up, shaken out, checked and repacked. That said, we had the older rigs (Type X Mk3) that had no elastics. I left service in 1995 and STILL use some of the elastics I accumulated. Almost all are still in A1 serviceable condition and it took over a decade for any of them to start to show signs of deterioration. HOWEVER, dates aren't printed on elastics so there's never any way of knowing when an elastic will fail - so 6 month use/check makes good sense.
In Britain, we have several low level static line rigs such as the IrvinGQ 360 Static Line Low Level (ram air) and the Irvin GQ 24' steerable Mk2 - both of which replaced (I believe) by the French BT-80 Multi-Mission System (ram air). These rigs aren't used by Paratroopers, more specialist military parachutists.
Paratroopers use round canopies with minimum steerable capability. To "steer" away from hazards or reduce drift, you pull down a riser to spill air from the canopy. This gives some directional control but it increases descent speed. You want your troops to land within reasonable proximity to each other, especially on night drops. Ram airs in the context of busy or hot DZs can create MUCH greater problems, especially as they need to be steered INTO wind for a landing.
I did a sports freefall course with the military. After a week or so of packing my own static line rig, I moved onto freefall. I wasn't allowed to repack the new rig and I had an uneasy feeling about it. I was right to: it had been left packed for God-knows-how-long, had had other rigs piled up on it and I had a "delayed opening". Meaning that, upon pulling the release handle, the drogue deployed but nothing else happened. The drogue couldn't deploy the main 'chute because the rig had been left compacted for so long that it'd seized up.
I believe it's the same reason why earlier jumpers used to thump their reserve before pulling the handle, in the 1960s/70s.
Glancing over my shoulder to assess my problem, I tumbled. Apparently, I did some impressive acrobatics before regaining the "starfish" position again - then the canopy deployed. I don't know for how long I freefalled on this intended "3 second delay pull"...
I was told by my instructor that I should have pulled my reserve EVEN DESPITE THE TUMBLE - I STILL believe that's wrong if you're tumbling: your lines could wrap/entangle around you. Then there's whiplash injuries to consider. You need to stabilise your position THEN pull the reserve, if it's needed. As a Para who's used to dropping from 750-800', I had PLENTY of height/time to think, act and get it right - my life depended on that.
I didn't think much of the instructors. Everything was "monkey see, monkey do" and they didn't like questions. Total contrast to the expertise at RAF Brize Norton (No1 PTS).
The atmosphere at the club wasn't good and people were bossed about like recruits. If someone's just finished the course and was being rushed (as we often were) to pack his rig before signing off the course, the odds that he'd pack conscientiously were likely low - and I was well aware of that when I given the rig. If I were allowed to have done things MY way (repack), I believe this incident would not have happened. I should have "accidently" popped the handle to ensure that I repack it. Hindsight is a great thing...
I guess they never used to test pull closures to ensure correct pull weights, in those days...
@@garydflatt4904
Bouncing off someone else's rigging lines is like hitting a vertical trampoline! We use the spreadeagle position but with one hand over the reserve handle (metal "D") to prevent it getting pulled by a line.
The despatcher lost his timing and I found myself knee deep in someone else's canopy. I "steered" in the same direction as he did - sheer bad luck! You've perhaps 2-3 seconds to act. There was no knowing which way he faced nor would steer. One moment there, next moment dropping - then clear space: dropped out of the sky before reopening about 100-150' later...
@@simonsignolet5632can’t you just replace the rubber bands if your so worried
@@simonsignolet5632that's some good knowledge
Resistance is needed-- as one goes forward. Fluid.
Working in their sock feet. Cool!
Don't you use tables to pack thise like the US Army does?? kneeling on the floor is not good on the knees.
Lol
no they don’t. Look for the difference between static line parachutes and Free fall…
Why do Americans pack parachutes tables and Canadians on the floor?
most of the american videos i've seen are for round (actually square-ish) canopies used for mass drops. this rig, as well as american, freefall rigs are square (actually rectangular-ish) canopies that have very different packing methods. round canopies are traditionally packed on tables because it's easier on the packer, and a round canopy is more linear and compact once stretched out, where a square is too wide to fit on a table, without it being so wide that the packer needs to climb on the table to pack it.
edited to add, here's a video of an american freewill rig being packed on the floor. th-cam.com/video/mugSqmZKwYs/w-d-xo.html
this is a different packing procedure that we witnessed at Cold Lake Air Force Base. They used a large, long, wide table with numbered pins and each line had a number matched to the pin. This was a "indoor, warehouse" environment for packing. This technique and chute could be packed anywhere.
Super!!!👍🌞
Yeah should be really careful in each and every foldings . I tried it once when I was in KAF.
36/x3--> 3frqs or lines. x=4.
Very good video!!! Congratulation. I'd like to do the parashute course within the Canadia Army.
Keep the bitches out .....let them have their own unit with a female CO....No male intervention, they want equality, then goddamn picket your govt for it, if not, the Fuck off down the road and stop trying to be makes.
Been there....done that......I shall be sure always......!
I think you mean so say “I “WILL” be sure always” or safety and perfection.
Bet her bed passes all the inspections 😴 🤪
Just like your mom