Edit: I’m getting a little bit tired of having to explain why I censored the word miscarriage in this video. I do not believe miscarriage is something we need to censor, as it is a common occurrence and is a tragedy that should be openly spoken about (if an individual feels comfortable discussing their experience of course). TH-cam does, however, have very unfair censorship regulations, and miscarriage is often a demonetised word. Demonitisation means a video doesn't get recommended as much, which in turn would cause people to miss out on this valuable educational content. I think it is vital that those who feel comfortable speak out about their experiences with miscarriage and related subjects, as no one should have to feel alone in such a situation. I had to make the difficult decision to censor the word not because it reflects my belief, but because I didn’t want the video to get suppressed and thus have many miss out on this important educational content. Please don’t leave rude replies about this in the comments section, and please consider my deeper reason for “why”, which is clearly not to suppress this tragic experience, rather to make sure as many people as possible can see this video, and thus benefit from its educational value. Welcome to this channel's latest "500 Years of..." series! This week's video is a bit of a long one, but I think it's a well-worth-it watch as Kass McGann of Reconstructing History walks us through 500 years of maternity clothing! TW: We will be talking about the sensitive subjects of infant mortality and miscarriage, so if these are triggering topics for you in any way, please SKIP the content between time stamps 25:40-26:33. Thank you very much for watching.
It was something we considered, but sadly they’ve been around less than 500 years! Even the Pair of Bodies, the precursor to the stays, isn’t 500 years old yet
I really appreciate how sensitively you handled this subject. I have had several losses recently, and miscarriage is very difficult for me to hear about right now. By letting me know what would be covered, and even bleeping out the word, it made me feel like I could watch the video and feel okay.
As an older farmer in the Deep South, who wears a corset for back support, I would love to see historic clothing for women in the tropics, especially working women.
That's not a whole lot of clothing, considering what you're probably thinking of is white people we didn't start traveling near the equator into a couple hundred years ago. What working women wore in the tropics wasn't a whole lot, probably sandals and maybe a loin cloth. The female chest just wasn't sexualized and still isn't by a vast majority of cultures
@@awkwardpotato7900 I think I would benefit from knowledge these fashion historians have about Edwardian or Victorian era clothing worn by working women in the tropics.
@@awkwardpotato7900 my family came to the Deep Southeast in 1621, so I know nurses and teachers were working in these peri-tropics in the early 1600s. Spanish women were in the Caribbean, Central and South Americas a hundred years earlier.
In South East Asia didn’t wear corsets traditionally - barring closet to the 17 & 18th century ( if I’m not mistaken ) where the concept of corsets were brought in from the west. Traditional outfits here were made of loose printed cotton ( batik) , and the upper class adorned it with jewelry ( eg -gold belts vs cotton belts)
My husband and I really enjoy going to the Renaissance Faire every year. It was even our first date. The year we went when I was pregnant with my oldest it never occurred to me that I would need a maternity dress for faire. I simply undid the side laces on my dress and only laced them to the top of my belly. It worked so well that I did it again couple years later when I was pregnant with our daughter. Over the years and various fairs, I recall seeing various women wearing their costumes over their pregnant belly. There was only one woman that ever complained about her bodice being uncomfortable. But then she was just uncomfortable in general due to the heat and the fact that her bodice was made out of entirely synthetic materiels. For some women pregnancy and the heat don't mix combined with a bodice that doesn't breath its no wonder it was uncomfortable. This was a fascinating topic to cover. I'm really enjoying the 500 years of fashion series.
How interesting! It's great to hear your personal experience with this as well. I can definitely see how the combination of pregnancy, heat, and fabric that doesn't breathe the best could become very uncomfortable for that individual! Thanks so much for watching 😊
Have you heard of the SCA? It’s not my thing but my father participates and has for over a decade if not longer. It’s not “renaissance” but is more focused on historically accurate imitation of the medieval times, that’s a very poor description but if you like renaissance fairs you might like the sca
Appreciated this video a lot. I have four children and spent all of my mid-20s to early 30s, pregnant or breastfeeding. My body was constantly changing shape, and I had a LOT of frustration with modern fashion and how many garments I had to own for my constantly expanding or shrinking breasts, belly, and thighs. While I appreciate the huge number of issues that come with assuming pregnancy and breastfeeding and post-partum bodies are obligatory for women, I appreciate a concept of fashion that makes room for these seasons and fluctuations in some of our lives.
Thank you!! I’m really glad you enjoyed it. It’s definitely (I’d imagine) so frustrating having to deal with modern day maternity clothing. Bodies are made to change and evolve, that’s natural, and it’s a bit strange that clothing doesn’t often make room for this for adults. Perhaps because generally clothes these days are cheaper, people aren’t as much in the repair and alter mindset so to speak. As much as things were horrible all throughout history for many individuals, little aspects like clothing being made to evolve with an evolving body shows some of the innovative and useful (even today) things that existed in history.
So true! Thankfully I sewed my own clothes for each pregnancy I made one outfit, with exception of #4 where I made two outfits! So by then I had 5 outfits. For my first my sister gave me a mumu which was very comfortable but couldn’t wear it to work because I had a uniform.
From a slightly divergent perspective, I prefer to leave the house much less when I’m pregnant because I get tired, my feet can swell, I have to pee frequently, etc. So to some degree, this may have been less about oppression than convenience. Obviously working class women didn’t have as much of a choice. Such a fun video! I’m glad it popped up in my suggested videos!
That’s very understandable! There are so many new factours to be worried about whilst pregnant, or that can just make someone feel flat out uncomfortable. I’d imagine nesting at home can sometimes just feel like a welcome relief. So glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you for watching it and for your comment 🥰
i agree i was reading the english countrywoman and the magority of women worked 247 doing stuff to add minute earnings to the family, although i have no doubt, the richer folk were far more restrictive with outings from what i read in that book the commoners throughout most periods were working all the time either in the home or outside all day from 5am to late 7-8pm or more, i think it would of been a dream for a lot of women in those times to be told to stay in bed and have 5 months to themselves, although i imagine all would of hated being confined to the actual bed for five months, i cant imagine many stuck to it. still very interesting and great video.
@@redwolfden7930as someone who had to bedrest for 6+ months of each pregnancy.... It's miserable. And also impossible if you've got a kid already, then it was a lot of 'do what you have to for the lottles then get horizontal wherever you can'. I'm guessing it was pretty simple for a wealthy woman to do and utterly impossible for working women, and you basically would've had no choice but to 'let the inevitable happen" and try again.
The front/back lacing discussion at 39:00 is one of those things that seem so obvious once someone else says it. Who did up the back lacing for a working woman? Well, her husband, probably, and if she wasn't married yet, a sibling or parent or co-worker. Almost no one lived alone in those days, especially women.
Exactly! It was a myth I believed for a long time as well, and when Kass made this point, it's like it all clicked. Women almost always lived with someone, as you say.
@Chrysanthemum I feel like a lot of women’s dresses and skirts still require two people to put on. I can sometimes put my skirt on backwards, so I can reach the zipper, and then turn it around once zipped. I obviously can’t do that with dresses though. (FYI: I most only wear skirts and dresses. I very rarely wear pants.) At least twice a week, I need to have my mom or fiancé help me zip up my clothing. One time, my mom was on vacation, and I had to sleep in my clothes, because I couldn’t reach the zipper on my own. 😂
personal experience says anyone flexible enough to scratch their entire back can probably tie a back lacing corset for themselves. it's a lot easier to adjust/tighten laces and then tie them off than it is to zip up a modern dress with a back opening.
I've seen plenty of historical costume videos where they show how it is very easy for a woman to lace her own stays and corsets by herself, even those in the back. Basically, they would lace it loosely, slip it on, then pull the laces tight in the middle and tie the laces. Much like how you lace and tie shoes.
I would love to see a video where historical clothing wearer brings in a friend who is pregnant and shows "this is how this outfit fits non-maternity, and then this is how this same outfit fits maternity" if that makes sense. Just to see how those same pieces can shift and change and to see how it would move and look in real life in both contrasting circumstances. Heck I'm pregnant now, I'll volunteer if someone has a historical wardrobe to share for a video😅
Thank you a very thoughtful discussion. I feel like so many people infantilize people in the past, especially women, when on the contrary they were wonderfully practical and inventive in their approach to everyday problems. While today's fashions offer more freedom in some way, we have lost a lot of knowledge in how to make adaptable and longer lasting clothing and there is a cost to that.
Thank you for your comment! It’s definitely quite disheartening we’ve lost a lot of the practices of repairing and altering quality made clothing. At the same time though we are starting to see a very slow fashion resurgence, like what I try to promote on this channel and do in my own life, and that’s quite amazing to see as more people start making their own clothes 😊
I was born in 1962, and I remember how 'shocked' I was to see women starting to accentuate their pregnant bellies (instead of having their clothing drape loosely across them) ... I believe it was in the late 80s or early 90s
I wasn't planning on watching this whole thing, but it was so well done! And fascinating. I can sleep tomorrow... If my 2 year old will let me... But thank you for taking such care to find examples in art, and zooming in on the details being discussed. I think this is the first TH-cam video I've seen that does such an amazing job at this. Thank you for taking the time to do that.
Despite having a generally healthy pregnancy, I had a very restrictive one. I lived at a pregnant women and children’s shelter where they had rules for the women who stayed there. I could not stay in bed, even if I was tired and wanted to, and I had to be working or schooling. It was also hard for me to get maternity clothes because I was a small girl and many of the clothes were large sized. Clothes felt extremely tight, to the point where sometimes I felt choked and had to unbutton and lower my pants. When I got large later on, the maternity pants I had were too loose and kept sliding off my hips and stomach. I would have loved some adjusters on my waistline/hip line or to be able to wear heavy skirts or dresses in cold weather. And most of all, I would’ve given anything to be allowed to lounge whenever I felt tired. Women have never had more rights in history than today, but our clothes and expectations of women are still restrictive, just in different ways. I wish we could look at women’s clothing in history with a bit more positive light and make clothes more diverse and accessible for larger women, pregnant women, and nursing women.
I'm a plus size woman and I've known for a long time that maternity clothes can be used for everyday wear with only slight modification, or sometimes even none.
This is SO interesting! This is how I ended up wearing a herjolfsnes as my normal clothes. I originally made them when I was pregnant. Six children later, I considered taking them in so that the dress was fitted in through the bodice and gored from the waist down, and I thought (whew) what a lot of work -- so I didn't change them. Now, I swoosh around in these big multi-gored dresses, people tell me they're pretty, and I could easily wear any of them while carrying twins.
This is so awesome to hear! What a great reason to keep wearing herjolfsnes as normal garments too. It’s amazing how many historical items are so versatile, even to this day.
I think the adaptability of the clothing is useful even today. I got huge so I did have to retire some pants but most of my dresses fit and I didn’t need to buy much at all when pregnant. It was so convenient.
The hardest part of pregnancy as a reenactor was never the clothes for sure, it was the heat outside! I've met so many other preggo reenactors wearing clothing from all over the world and covering most time periods; nearly all of it is bump-adaptable unless for exceedingly rich women or women who did a victorian-style confinement.
I had never seen that robe from the Golden Age of Trade before- it’s very cool! I love the idea of using nice fabric to make a comfortable garment so you can adjust it for body changes. I had no idea that’s where the robe a l’anglaise/Francois came from!
I do 12th C reenactment. When I was pregnant I did make a pregnancy tunic dress because I get big! But I was able to wear my regular garb for most of it. I did build a nursing chemise (used a nursing nightgown pattern) to wear under front laced gowns. I also made a tunic with slits and put Byzantine trim to cover the slits which closed with hook and eye.
I realize that you chose to only cover 500 years, but I remember stories from my mom and her sister (and sisters-in-law) about how, until the 1970s, it was rare to see a woman in late stages of pregnancy as it was still considered improper to advertise fecundity (as if it were something dirty). In fact, my mom and her sister were scolded as children in the late 50's/early 60's for mentioning that one of their aunts was pregnant! (My mom reportedly exclaimed, "Aunt Betty's pregnant again?!!!!")
I remember reading a childrens book assigned to me by a teacher around 2000 where a child saying "pregnant" was still treated by the adults in the scene as disruptive and as transgressive as a swear word
Indeed, on the show "I Love Lucy", not only was Lucille Ball the first pregnant woman to be shown on a TV program, but they couldn't say the word "pregnant". They had to say "expecting".
@@RowanWarren78 I think it might be a personal thing- in my family and I know many other pregnancy has been celebrated and folks are very eager. I’ve got pictures of my grandmas, aunts, great aunts, etc very pregnant both at home and in public
Interesting, my Mom doesn’t remember that. Now clearly morals were different or held at a higher standard then but women weren’t hidden away in late stages of pregnancy. She remembers her Mom and Aunts being too busy raising kids, cooking, grocery shopping, even sewing clothes, etc. to have hidden themselves in their homes. She also remembers discussions about a particular sister in law being pregnant “again” in family discussions or gossip. It was more common that they stayed home and didn’t work which was perfectly normal. They didn’t show off their pregnant bellies or pop their boobs out to breastfeed publicly like today but they weren’t forbid to come out of the house because they were 8 months pregnant
Totally enjoyable video, answering a few questions of my own. As someone who spins, I often have wondered about the turnaround time to produce a garment of linen or wool. 4 years for linen, and probably 2-3 for wool. And this labor to produce fabric means fabric is costly. Also, in reference to ministers, etc., of the Puritan days complaining of women's riding clothing, it is actually a Biblical injunction about cross-dressing: Deuteronomy 22:5, we read, "A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God." Depending on your beliefs, there you go for many reasons clothing was relegated to sexes in the west. In Asia, and other parts of the world, women did wear pants. So, part of western dress and dressing mandates are also founded on religious mandates.
I'm glad it was so enjoyable! I always find Kass really fun to speak with 😊Fabric really must have been so expensive, probably a cost that we cannot even fathom nowadays. Even in the Victorian era clothes were expensive compared to now, and that's with full-fledged industrial revolution productions. Ah yes! It makes perfect sense then that with Western history especially being so influenced by Christianity, that clothing would be delegated as per Deuteronomy 22:5 as you reference. I was raised in an Eastern school of thought, so I appreciate the insight into this as it's not an area I'm familiar with! 😊
@@VBirchwood The usual thing we say on the subject is "Back then labour was cheap and fabric expensive. Now labour is (more) expensive and fabric is (relatively) cheap. Italian merchant families in the late 15th century were known to spend their entire fortunes on specially-woven silk brocade for their eldest daughter's wedding just so they could show off. After the wedding, the fabric was secretly auctioned off to pay the debts incurred for the celebration!
I fell in love with fashion history when I was 12 and my parents bought a set of World Book encyclopedias. When I discovered the entry about fashion history I would pour over the the illustrations of the various kinds of women’s and men’s throughout history and then invent and draw my own takes on the prevailing fashions at any given time. This visit with your excellent fashion historian was so informative. When I think of pregnancy clothing from around 1830 until the 1980’s I think of the smocks and Mother Hubbard dresses that my mom and many other ladies that I knew wore. When I got pregnant with my son in 1988 fashion was turning away from tent like fashions to more fitted maternity clothes. It was definitely a welcome change because wearing the equivalent of a circus tent was not a flattering look on any woman. I and most of my friends who were pregnant during this transitional period of time were already dealing with a rapidly changing silhouette, and the last thing we needed was to feel frumpy on top of being pregnant. Thank goodness that the sky’s the limit in terms of pregnancy fashions now rather than there being only one way to dress AND be comfortable during those nine months!
Thank you so much! I definitely agree that it’s such a blessing there are many maternity options now and that it doesn’t just have to be loose fitting garments. Also that pregnancy isn’t something needing to be hidden anymore is a big help, because many can now wear tighter fitting maternity clothes that they perhaps feel more comfortable in and still be accepted in society overall. It’s great progress.
This was a really fascinating video! I'd never actually thought about maternity wear, having not had any children, but would have simply assumed that with all that fabric there was plenty of room to hide the bulge! I honestly hadn't thought of the Victorian era issues. Really enjoyed the bit about the woman hours required to sew one man's tunic, and also the bits about the Victorians height being stunted by the industrial revolution. I actually watched this one twice because there were so many fascinating details that I'd not heard before. Thanks! I quite look forward to seeing your future collaborations. Will check out Cass's channel too!
I am doing some family history research and read that my female German forebears probably wore skirts made with deep openings from waist downwards. So the back tied around the waist at the front while the front of the skirt tied at the back. Very adjustable and the slits at each side allowed access to a sort of purse worn underneath. Sounded very practical
This was a fascinating topic, thank you so much for covering it. The vast majority of us watching understood and appreciated why you had to censor as a youtube creator who wants this to reach as many people as possible.
my current favourite pieces in my wardrobe were marketed as sustainably made maternity wear, and due to how they're made they're perfect pregnant and loose or not pregnant and with a belt or pair of (particularly pretty) stays on top!
Very facinating, and it makes total sense that ones everyday clothing would also be maternety wear! Especially with how many pregnancies people in the past went through
Thanks Lilja! And yes absolutely, especially considering how much time it used to take just to make one dress. Very few would have had the time to have separate maternity specific garments so they’d need sort of a Swiss army knife of garments that would be perfect for anything life could throw at you haha.
They really didn’t go through *that many pregnancies- more couples had children than today but miscarriages, deadly pregnancy and birth complications, childbed fever, etc were so common that it wasn’t something they avg gal did that often tbh. Wealthier women who had access to proper nutrition and doctors had larger families- that’s why there’s so many queens and princess that had a lot of children, they also didn’t have to work and had more time on their hands. Birth rates actually increased in the early to mid 20th century during times of medical revolution.
When I clicked on this video I did so because I was curious and had no intention of watching the entire thing. But here I am 40 minutes later wondering why the video ended. This was so informative and interesting. Thanks for doing this and I look forward to seeing more.
As a person who has had two children and cannot afford to get a new wardrobe every time my body changes (plus the environmental and human labor costs of fast fashion are just devastating), I really appreciate the practicality, inventiveness, and durability of women in the past. The pleasure in objects that are also highly functional. Yes, of course, there are moralistic and social status concerns, but there's a lot of maneuvering within those confines. Love to see it. Thank you and Kass for sharing!
If you look at the publications of French fashion plates of “Galerie de la Mode” during the late 1700’s there were references to Maternity Outifits…they would be called deshabillé ( in a state of undress) and of course still wearing plenty of clothing just not wearing noticeable tightened stays.
This was such an interesting video. I could have listened to these two ladies all day. Fascinating information and years of education and research here!
I'm pregnant and don't want to spend money on a maternity wardrobe. So I have muslin on the way to make a shift, possibly 2 or 3, for everyday wear, and an over dress that will wind break well in the winter. I decided on regency dresses because I KNEW those would fit (and got a great deal on an authentic pattern) but was curious so I found you! It's fascinating. Mind I hate modern conventional fashion but I apparently ADORE historical fashion.
Congrats on the pregnancy! Regency dresses were a great call, super accommodating for pregnancy as you say 😊 Historical fashion has many convenient elements and can be very sustainable, so I don't blame you for loving it!
My great grandmother stayed confined at home throughout her pregnancies. My grandma, her daughter, didn't know her mother was going to have a baby ahead of time, when as a teen. The kids would go visit a family member for a day or two, and come back to a surprise baby sibling. She wrote a voluminous apron, all the time, and it apparently hid the pregnancy for the whole nine months.
What an absolutely delightful and enlightening video this was! I could listen to you two ladies all day. So happy the algorithm suggested this video ☺️
The blue and white floral print that you used for the top that I can see (no way to know if the skirt portion is the same) is absolutely charming, and the fichu is just the perfect way to add a little modesty to the daring neckline.
Wow, this was absolutely fascinating, and it confirmed some suspicions I've had about why women's clothing has been different from men's throughout the vast majority of history. Thank you for making this!
That was utterly fascinating, thank you for the video! It totally makes sense that all women's clothing was maternity clothing in the times when a) women were pregnant for much of their lives and b) clothing wasn't mass produced so it wasn't affordable or practical to get entirely new garmets for your changing body. Your run through different eras not only made me look at historical clothing from a new perspective, but also organize my patchy knowledge about the evolution of European female fashion. I've been watching fashion history TH-cam for some time, but still have limited understanding of where different styles fit chronologically. This video helps 🙂
I loved this! The whole topic was interesting throughout and especially the information on literally how long it would take to produce fabric back in those days. Something you just don't think about nowadays with our industrial advancement. Can't wait for the upcoming 500 years of videos :-)
My grandmother, a life long seamstress (specifically was known for her historically accurate costumes for our theater) would’ve appreciated this type of content had it been around earlier so thank you for these educational videos. I do have to say comparing our modern perceptions of life (what we deem right and wrong) to early times is unfair if not ignorant. We have so many more luxuries and conveniences today than women ever have had so of course it seems horrific if not barbaric to imagine a pregnant woman in the Victorian era forced to stay home but I love that the expert on here quickly reminds us of the differences of then to today and why. It’s easy to criticize history or what was practiced during a point in time. There are parts of history that will always remain egregious and inhumane but we weren’t there, our ancestors were and I appreciate this expert and the facts and points she brings. Especially with the point made on how long it took to sew a man’s garment/shirt and why women often wore the style of dress they wore with the waist and that was to accommodate pregnancy. Absolutely makes sense
I’m juuuust old enough to have heard as a child that you should never show off your pregnancy. My mother was dressed in these insanely shaped garments to hide her belly but of course, that didn’t really work by the end lmao. By the time I was considering children for myself that had shifted. Now we are delightfully proud of that life stage and generally don’t hide. I chose to not have children, but if I had, I would not have hidden. I like the change, though being able to stay home and not have to go out in the later stages certainly sounds like a pro, not a con!!!
It’s so wild to imagine how recent it was too that things started to shift around visibly seeing pregnancy. Definitely feel really grateful that people are proud of pregnancy today generally and don’t force it to be hidden.
As someone who can't have children but tried, I think that "don't show off" thing probably came from how common pregnancy loss was. If nobody knew you were pregnant, you wouldn't have to answer the awkward "how are you feeling" type questions after you lost the baby. Also, people are SO WEIRD about pregnant women, it has become acceptable to touch random strangers just because she has a belly. Hiding the belly for a long time would make it much easier to go about without idiot strangers trying to touch you.
I never really heard this (I was born in 1970.) I don't recall what my mother wore while pregnant with my sister--I was 3. But I had all four of my kids during the 90's and even then, I had a very hard time finding maternity clothes that didn't look like they were made for a toddler. Bows and ruffles galore! As a six foot tall woman, I didn't want to be dressed like some frilly confection. I'm eagerly awaiting grandchildren, and think it's so cool that now maternity clothes look like regular clothes with a little extra room.
I’ve never really heard this. Must be a regional or personal thing. And vintage 20th century maternity clothing was often just loose or with pieces that gave them the ability to grow along with the women. I’ve got lots of pictures of my grandmas, aunts, great aunts, etc very pregnant not hidden at all. Perhaps they just didn’t wear “bump hugging” clothes as much as women do now
Thank you! I loved this video! Your guest is very knowledgeable and entertaining, and I learned a lot. (I have some Reconstructing History patterns and the one I've made turned out really well.) I've always suspected that women's clothing had lacing because of pregnancy (and monthly bloating and such) so I'm glad to have it confirmed. I'm beginning to think a lot of our modern social problems were inherited from the Victorians - not that the problems didn't exist before that, but the particular form they take now was heavily influenced by Victorian thinking. That was a weird time in history. It seems like the development of technology makes people believe they can transcend humanity, and that transcending humanity is desirable, which is a very strange and harmful concept. It's like we are supposed to be ashamed of being animals (because that's somehow "lower") and hide that from everyone around us. It's interesting to consider how clothing reflects our attitudes and values.
I've been wondering about this since I heard of maternity corset (which apparently only started to be a thing from the 1870s on?). Anyway this is such a thorough exploration of the history behind it, I'll take a look on it time and again if I need it 😺😉
I want to hit on how new the idea of showing off your pregnant belly with your maternity clothing is. My grandma doesn't understand the straight/tighter dresses and shirts cut to fit and emphasize a belly because when she was pregnant with my aunt, uncles, and mom in the 50s and 60s you hid your belly as much as possible (even though at least imo maternity wear was pretty specific and easy to pick out). I love that we show off our pregnant bellies more now! What's happening in our bodies is *amazing* and I love emphasizing what my body is doing!
Definitely a great point! Kass mentioned this when I was interviewing her too but I had to cut it because of time constraints. I’m so glad that bellies can now openly be shown in many places, because it really is such an incredible thing.
I remember Demi Moore’s pregnancy cover in Vanity Fair as a turning point in modern history, after that women felt freer to show and celebrate a pregnant belly. When I was pregnant in 1996 it was common to wear draped clothing but when I was pregnant in 2001 I was comfortable showing my silhouette.
This was really cool overall and a topic that gets asked a lot but not covered much. Also, I am a beginning sewist and Kass's patterns have helped ease me into making garments. Thanks to you both!
Fascinating video, thanks so much for sharing this wealth of information. I'm not a historical clothing buff or someone who dresses in period costume, but I do love to hear about women's lives and how they were shaped by the time by the materials, technologies, and cultural norms of the time. I think a lot can be learned from knowing the root of how we got to where we are now, whether that's a waistline or the way society treated women. I'd especially like to thank you for not hamming it up with a bunch of cut scenes, loud talk, and clickbait. Just real history, relayed by real women. As of right now, I'm a fan of your work!
Something I definitely would recommend looking at because it's just Fantastic. Is princess buttercups red dress from Princess Bride. The bare bones of the pattern is almost exactly like my grandmother's summer house dress that's probably 50 years old. With minor changes it can work for nearly any century, including the modern day.
I would like be to hear how our fashion and dress would be described for those living in a different time period! This was fun! Thank you for sharing this interesting part of history! 💗
Thank you for this video. I have for a long time wondered why dresses were so ubiquitously worn by women throughout history and am extremely happy that the Algorithm promoted your video to me. I look forward to watching more videos in this series 💖
I enjoyed this video very much. Talking about women not going in public. If you were Pregnant. When Queen Elizabeth II had her 25th anniversary on the thrown. Princess Anne was pregnant. All the reports on tv. We’re wondering out loud. If we would see Princess Anne. Would she would come out in public. Because she was pregnant. The reports were so excited when she did come out with the rest of the royal family.
I learned a song that is very very old, and refers to pregnancy. It's called Tarrytown ... Or Wild Goose Grasses: In Tarrytown there did dwell A lovely youth, I knew him well. He courted me my life away And now with me he will no longer stay Wide and deep, my grave will be With the wild goose grasses growing over me. When I wore my apron low He followed me through ice and snow Now that I wear my apron high He goes right down my street and passes by Wide and deep my grave will be With the wild goose grasses growing over me. Pregnancy. Always serious. Wonderful episode, and even to remind me of this song!
I loved this production. I have never studied period clothing and found this fascinating. This wonderful history lesson is done so well. Thank you for the enlightenment..
I found this discussion to be so engaging and informative and of course so much fun. As a Londoner I can confirm that a person still has to be vigilant when out and about. It’s very sad.
I really enjoyed this video, I love the format of that's not entirely interview, but also not just 'talking head documentary'. I'll check out Kass' channel too!
Very very interesting... not only do I study history... like abvient world history... here in my old age... but my original profession is textile designer...and where I studied in the silkstat Krefeld they had a marvelous museum with fabrics going wayway back... thanks for this video...looking forward to more...
Thank you! That’s a very good point! I’m guessing though that babies had all sorts of potential hazards since infant mortality was extremely high historically. Probably pins was a more minimal worry.
as someone who sews with 2 healthy children, I've never had issue with my babies swallowing pins- they get put in a pincushion or a container and are kept out of children's reach. In modern settings It's more likely that my child would find it in the carpet and it stabs their feet. We also have remember most people had wood, tile or earthen floors and such pins are easier to spot on these flooring types . With what I DO know about health sanitation and other things about history would be more concerned with: drowning, falls , choking, accidental smothering and diseases than pins around small children..
During the timeframe where women would have used pins to daily close their clothes, pins were expensive and labor intensive. A woman would have kept tabs on where they were and taken care to store them in a secure place.
This was so interesting. I loved the expression "professional complainers", they are definitely still around! Women have it so much easier now, it is just unbelievable how closeted women were in their houses in previous centuries
Glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 Women definitely have it much easier now (generally speaking as I’m sure there are places where women have it far worse or just as bad as historically). Even with that being said though, there is still so much work to be done for women’s rights.
This was great, thank you! I have made an early medieval dress for Viking age living history. The gores pretty much start under my armpits and it is huge around the waist. I have had two kids and I made the dress this way without another pregnancy in mind. Just because it would accommodate every stage of a women's changing body and that is great to show to the visitors at the museums.
At around 32:00, Ms McGann mentions how a pregnant woman as compared often to a pregnant horse and it was scandalous if they went outdoors whilst pregnant and you reply 'how sad' made me think of what I often say. One can't judge other people's actions with today's mentality. Today we would think it's sad, however, back then, it was normal thinking. Just like in 100 years from now, the people living might think of us as weird or even nuts, in the way we think. I absolutely loved this video and learned so much. Thank you for creating it and all the information you gave us. Thanks from Canada
This was so fascinating to hear! It really makes me look at clothing in a different way. I never thought about the restrictive/permanent sizing of buttons instead of ties or pins. In fact, I never thought of using pins outside of like a cloak pin. Thank you both for sharing this information!
Based on extant garments I've seen in other costube videos from the 1800s & 1900s, even if you had a front button closure there were still a lot of shenanigans that went on with letting out darts & side seams, adding gores & gussets etc? Even with those very fitted bodices, it looks like there was a fair amount you could do to tweak an existing garment for size changes during some earlier months of pregnancy, before having to exchange it for an entirely new one more suited to confinement.
This was very fun and informative ! I always LOVE these long retrospectives on one particular aspect of fashion, like Abby's 500 years of necklines video. That video made me realize I loved some of the 17th century fashions, and this one definitely confirmed it. Let's bring them back !! Let's historybound the 1600s ! Also, the whole outfit at 15:02 looks surprisingly 1840s. I have to say that Kass is kinda contradicting herself when she says 'the idea that having your pregnant belly out there is ok is a very new one'. It hasn't been a long time since it resurfaced in western fashion, sure. (1980s or 90s maybe?) But as she points out earlier in the video, no effort was made to hide the bump in some decades, and it was even a desirable silhouette. Late medieval and early 1600s fashion, with their high-ish waist and loose folds, would definitely have the bump 'out there', wouldn't they ?
Thank you!! Yes, I love these 500 years of videos too! Which is why I thought it'd be so fun to cover some of the ones I haven't seen yet with Kass 😊I am feeling more and more tempted to delve into 17th century now, after this chat haha. I'm sure you could come up with some really interesting 17th c. historybounds! I think what Kass means is that while yes, the silhouette in the 1400s was to "look pregnant" due to it meaning you're "a good wife", etc., pretty much by the 1600s and beyond (really until probably the 1970s, and even still now in some areas), it became very, very taboo to be seen publicly as pregnant. Pregnant women were even censored on the TV in the 1970s still, Kass talks about this but I had to cut it out due to time. Our entire chat was over 2 hours, and I chopped it all down into 40 minutes. So I don't think Kass is contradicting herself, as she didn't say it was never okay to be seen pregnant publicly (as in all throughout history), rather that it's only become recently okay again (societally-speaking). It's many hundreds of centuries that pregnant women have been confined away and hidden from the public, up until this point (at least in the west). Another interesting thing is that women are very rarely painted when pregnant in art throughout history. There are of course some, like the ones I included in this thumbnail, but it is really quite few and far between, and some of the Georgian/Victorian paintings especially were painted of a woman after she died in childbirth, likely to eternalise her, remember her, etc. So while in the 1400s the symbolism of appearing pregnant in paintings, done by the extensive quantities of gathered fabrics etc, was a popular thing, the actual act of being pregnant in paintings is quite uncommon. That's what makes paintings like "Portrait of an Unknown Lady" so remarkable.
@@VBirchwood I've often looked at Renaissance paintings of young women who were about to be married off and had a sad thought. Of course they were painted to show a far-off family what a beautiful (read healthy) and well-dressed (read wealthy) bride they would be getting, but I can't help but think that another reason for having a portrait of your daughter made at that time was so you could remember what she looked like in case she didn't survive her first childbirth.
A bit tangential, but the high labor cost of clothes was why young kids, male and female, often wore simple “dresses” until toilet trained….a tiny shirt and pants were harder to make and before modern diapers….the pants would often be wet. Kids were also potty-trained earlier, as hand-washing cloth diapers and soiled clothes was an additional chore.
Famously, actually "expecting " actress Lucille Ball appeared visibly pregnant on the TV series "I Love Lucy" in the early 1950s. It was considered a really daring, groundbreaking thing to do, but she pulled it off. Those Victorian expectations lasted a long time!
If i remember correctly, part of the popularity of the houppelande was because of what came before it: the bubonic plague. To have a dress that made it look like you were pregnant meant fertility and birth instead of the death they were coming out of
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Edit: I’m getting a little bit tired of having to explain why I censored the word miscarriage in this video. I do not believe miscarriage is something we need to censor, as it is a common occurrence and is a tragedy that should be openly spoken about (if an individual feels comfortable discussing their experience of course). TH-cam does, however, have very unfair censorship regulations, and miscarriage is often a demonetised word. Demonitisation means a video doesn't get recommended as much, which in turn would cause people to miss out on this valuable educational content. I think it is vital that those who feel comfortable speak out about their experiences with miscarriage and related subjects, as no one should have to feel alone in such a situation. I had to make the difficult decision to censor the word not because it reflects my belief, but because I didn’t want the video to get suppressed and thus have many miss out on this important educational content. Please don’t leave rude replies about this in the comments section, and please consider my deeper reason for “why”, which is clearly not to suppress this tragic experience, rather to make sure as many people as possible can see this video, and thus benefit from its educational value.
Welcome to this channel's latest "500 Years of..." series! This week's video is a bit of a long one, but I think it's a well-worth-it watch as Kass McGann of Reconstructing History walks us through 500 years of maternity clothing!
TW: We will be talking about the sensitive subjects of infant mortality and miscarriage, so if these are triggering topics for you in any way, please SKIP the content between time stamps 25:40-26:33.
Thank you very much for watching.
I would love to see you tackle regarding head coverings/hat evolution in western European fashion in this format!
@@thatterigirl I think you will be pleasantly surprised in a few months 😉
500 years of corsets/stays would be extremely helpful for my history bounding and historical costuming!
It was something we considered, but sadly they’ve been around less than 500 years! Even the Pair of Bodies, the precursor to the stays, isn’t 500 years old yet
I really appreciate how sensitively you handled this subject. I have had several losses recently, and miscarriage is very difficult for me to hear about right now. By letting me know what would be covered, and even bleeping out the word, it made me feel like I could watch the video and feel okay.
As an older farmer in the Deep South, who wears a corset for back support, I would love to see historic clothing for women in the tropics, especially working women.
That's not a whole lot of clothing, considering what you're probably thinking of is white people we didn't start traveling near the equator into a couple hundred years ago. What working women wore in the tropics wasn't a whole lot, probably sandals and maybe a loin cloth. The female chest just wasn't sexualized and still isn't by a vast majority of cultures
@@awkwardpotato7900 I think I would benefit from knowledge these fashion historians have about Edwardian or Victorian era clothing worn by working women in the tropics.
@M I A be sure to ask your doctor.
@@awkwardpotato7900 my family came to the Deep Southeast in 1621, so I know nurses and teachers were working in these peri-tropics in the early 1600s. Spanish women were in the Caribbean, Central and South Americas a hundred years earlier.
In South East Asia didn’t wear corsets traditionally - barring closet to the 17 & 18th century ( if I’m not mistaken ) where the concept of corsets were brought in from the west. Traditional outfits here were made of loose printed cotton ( batik) , and the upper class adorned it with jewelry ( eg -gold belts vs cotton belts)
My husband and I really enjoy going to the Renaissance Faire every year. It was even our first date. The year we went when I was pregnant with my oldest it never occurred to me that I would need a maternity dress for faire. I simply undid the side laces on my dress and only laced them to the top of my belly. It worked so well that I did it again couple years later when I was pregnant with our daughter. Over the years and various fairs, I recall seeing various women wearing their costumes over their pregnant belly. There was only one woman that ever complained about her bodice being uncomfortable. But then she was just uncomfortable in general due to the heat and the fact that her bodice was made out of entirely synthetic materiels. For some women pregnancy and the heat don't mix combined with a bodice that doesn't breath its no wonder it was uncomfortable. This was a fascinating topic to cover. I'm really enjoying the 500 years of fashion series.
How interesting! It's great to hear your personal experience with this as well. I can definitely see how the combination of pregnancy, heat, and fabric that doesn't breathe the best could become very uncomfortable for that individual! Thanks so much for watching 😊
Have you heard of the SCA? It’s not my thing but my father participates and has for over a decade if not longer. It’s not “renaissance” but is more focused on historically accurate imitation of the medieval times, that’s a very poor description but if you like renaissance fairs you might like the sca
Appreciated this video a lot. I have four children and spent all of my mid-20s to early 30s, pregnant or breastfeeding. My body was constantly changing shape, and I had a LOT of frustration with modern fashion and how many garments I had to own for my constantly expanding or shrinking breasts, belly, and thighs. While I appreciate the huge number of issues that come with assuming pregnancy and breastfeeding and post-partum bodies are obligatory for women, I appreciate a concept of fashion that makes room for these seasons and fluctuations in some of our lives.
Thank you!! I’m really glad you enjoyed it. It’s definitely (I’d imagine) so frustrating having to deal with modern day maternity clothing. Bodies are made to change and evolve, that’s natural, and it’s a bit strange that clothing doesn’t often make room for this for adults. Perhaps because generally clothes these days are cheaper, people aren’t as much in the repair and alter mindset so to speak. As much as things were horrible all throughout history for many individuals, little aspects like clothing being made to evolve with an evolving body shows some of the innovative and useful (even today) things that existed in history.
So true! Thankfully I sewed my own clothes for each pregnancy I made one outfit, with exception of #4 where I made two outfits! So by then I had 5 outfits. For my first my sister gave me a mumu which was very comfortable but couldn’t wear it to work because I had a uniform.
From a slightly divergent perspective, I prefer to leave the house much less when I’m pregnant because I get tired, my feet can swell, I have to pee frequently, etc. So to some degree, this may have been less about oppression than convenience. Obviously working class women didn’t have as much of a choice. Such a fun video! I’m glad it popped up in my suggested videos!
That’s very understandable! There are so many new factours to be worried about whilst pregnant, or that can just make someone feel flat out uncomfortable. I’d imagine nesting at home can sometimes just feel like a welcome relief. So glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you for watching it and for your comment 🥰
i agree i was reading the english countrywoman and the magority of women worked 247 doing stuff to add minute earnings to the family, although i have no doubt, the richer folk were far more restrictive with outings from what i read in that book the commoners throughout most periods were working all the time either in the home or outside all day from 5am to late 7-8pm or more, i think it would of been a dream for a lot of women in those times to be told to stay in bed and have 5 months to themselves, although i imagine all would of hated being confined to the actual bed for five months, i cant imagine many stuck to it. still very interesting and great video.
I totally agree! But the though of being looked down on for leaving the house when pregnant is definitely dumb 😅
@@redwolfden7930as someone who had to bedrest for 6+ months of each pregnancy.... It's miserable. And also impossible if you've got a kid already, then it was a lot of 'do what you have to for the lottles then get horizontal wherever you can'. I'm guessing it was pretty simple for a wealthy woman to do and utterly impossible for working women, and you basically would've had no choice but to 'let the inevitable happen" and try again.
I give Kass McGann an applause. This was incredibly informative, interesting and insightful.
The front/back lacing discussion at 39:00 is one of those things that seem so obvious once someone else says it. Who did up the back lacing for a working woman? Well, her husband, probably, and if she wasn't married yet, a sibling or parent or co-worker. Almost no one lived alone in those days, especially women.
Exactly! It was a myth I believed for a long time as well, and when Kass made this point, it's like it all clicked. Women almost always lived with someone, as you say.
@Chrysanthemum I feel like a lot of women’s dresses and skirts still require two people to put on. I can sometimes put my skirt on backwards, so I can reach the zipper, and then turn it around once zipped. I obviously can’t do that with dresses though. (FYI: I most only wear skirts and dresses. I very rarely wear pants.) At least twice a week, I need to have my mom or fiancé help me zip up my clothing. One time, my mom was on vacation, and I had to sleep in my clothes, because I couldn’t reach the zipper on my own. 😂
personal experience says anyone flexible enough to scratch their entire back can probably tie a back lacing corset for themselves. it's a lot easier to adjust/tighten laces and then tie them off than it is to zip up a modern dress with a back opening.
Not to mention you can mostly lace up a corset in front and then turn it around and tighten it :V
I've seen plenty of historical costume videos where they show how it is very easy for a woman to lace her own stays and corsets by herself, even those in the back. Basically, they would lace it loosely, slip it on, then pull the laces tight in the middle and tie the laces. Much like how you lace and tie shoes.
I could listen to Cass for hours. She really knows her stuff and how to convey fashion history in a way that is fascinating. Wow!
She’s brilliant! 😊
I would love to see a video where historical clothing wearer brings in a friend who is pregnant and shows "this is how this outfit fits non-maternity, and then this is how this same outfit fits maternity" if that makes sense. Just to see how those same pieces can shift and change and to see how it would move and look in real life in both contrasting circumstances. Heck I'm pregnant now, I'll volunteer if someone has a historical wardrobe to share for a video😅
That would be super fascinating! I would recommend the channel “Katherine Sewing.” She has videos on wearing stays whilst pregnant 😊
That's such a fantastic idea!
Thank you a very thoughtful discussion. I feel like so many people infantilize people in the past, especially women, when on the contrary they were wonderfully practical and inventive in their approach to everyday problems. While today's fashions offer more freedom in some way, we have lost a lot of knowledge in how to make adaptable and longer lasting clothing and there is a cost to that.
Thank you for your comment! It’s definitely quite disheartening we’ve lost a lot of the practices of repairing and altering quality made clothing. At the same time though we are starting to see a very slow fashion resurgence, like what I try to promote on this channel and do in my own life, and that’s quite amazing to see as more people start making their own clothes 😊
I was born in 1962, and I remember how 'shocked' I was to see women starting to accentuate their pregnant bellies (instead of having their clothing drape loosely across them) ... I believe it was in the late 80s or early 90s
I wasn't planning on watching this whole thing, but it was so well done! And fascinating. I can sleep tomorrow... If my 2 year old will let me... But thank you for taking such care to find examples in art, and zooming in on the details being discussed. I think this is the first TH-cam video I've seen that does such an amazing job at this. Thank you for taking the time to do that.
I’m so glad you enjoyed the video! Hope you’re able to get some sleep! 😊
Despite having a generally healthy pregnancy, I had a very restrictive one. I lived at a pregnant women and children’s shelter where they had rules for the women who stayed there. I could not stay in bed, even if I was tired and wanted to, and I had to be working or schooling.
It was also hard for me to get maternity clothes because I was a small girl and many of the clothes were large sized. Clothes felt extremely tight, to the point where sometimes I felt choked and had to unbutton and lower my pants. When I got large later on, the maternity pants I had were too loose and kept sliding off my hips and stomach.
I would have loved some adjusters on my waistline/hip line or to be able to wear heavy skirts or dresses in cold weather. And most of all, I would’ve given anything to be allowed to lounge whenever I felt tired.
Women have never had more rights in history than today, but our clothes and expectations of women are still restrictive, just in different ways. I wish we could look at women’s clothing in history with a bit more positive light and make clothes more diverse and accessible for larger women, pregnant women, and nursing women.
I've been curious about this for YEARS and just found this. Amazing! Thank you!
I'm a plus size woman and I've known for a long time that maternity clothes can be used for everyday wear with only slight modification, or sometimes even none.
This is SO interesting! This is how I ended up wearing a herjolfsnes as my normal clothes. I originally made them when I was pregnant. Six children later, I considered taking them in so that the dress was fitted in through the bodice and gored from the waist down, and I thought (whew) what a lot of work -- so I didn't change them. Now, I swoosh around in these big multi-gored dresses, people tell me they're pretty, and I could easily wear any of them while carrying twins.
This is so awesome to hear! What a great reason to keep wearing herjolfsnes as normal garments too. It’s amazing how many historical items are so versatile, even to this day.
Just to look at them in a photo, I feel like I'm going to pass out. They look so heavy.
I think the adaptability of the clothing is useful even today. I got huge so I did have to retire some pants but most of my dresses fit and I didn’t need to buy much at all when pregnant. It was so convenient.
The hardest part of pregnancy as a reenactor was never the clothes for sure, it was the heat outside! I've met so many other preggo reenactors wearing clothing from all over the world and covering most time periods; nearly all of it is bump-adaptable unless for exceedingly rich women or women who did a victorian-style confinement.
It suddenly makes sense to me why the Mudlarking community in London finds so many pins in the mud of the Thames!
I had never seen that robe from the Golden Age of Trade before- it’s very cool! I love the idea of using nice fabric to make a comfortable garment so you can adjust it for body changes. I had no idea that’s where the robe a l’anglaise/Francois came from!
Isn’t Kass just a wonderful wealth of knowledge? 🥰
I do 12th C reenactment. When I was pregnant I did make a pregnancy tunic dress because I get big! But I was able to wear my regular garb for most of it. I did build a nursing chemise (used a nursing nightgown pattern) to wear under front laced gowns. I also made a tunic with slits and put Byzantine trim to cover the slits which closed with hook and eye.
This is so fascinating to hear! Thanks for sharing your experience 😊
Cool..
Thank you for sharing your experience!
I realize that you chose to only cover 500 years, but I remember stories from my mom and her sister (and sisters-in-law) about how, until the 1970s, it was rare to see a woman in late stages of pregnancy as it was still considered improper to advertise fecundity (as if it were something dirty). In fact, my mom and her sister were scolded as children in the late 50's/early 60's for mentioning that one of their aunts was pregnant! (My mom reportedly exclaimed, "Aunt Betty's pregnant again?!!!!")
I remember reading a childrens book assigned to me by a teacher around 2000 where a child saying "pregnant" was still treated by the adults in the scene as disruptive and as transgressive as a swear word
Indeed, on the show "I Love Lucy", not only was Lucille Ball the first pregnant woman to be shown on a TV program, but they couldn't say the word "pregnant". They had to say "expecting".
So, Political Correctness brigades have always been around policing words! Sad!!!
@@RowanWarren78 I think it might be a personal thing- in my family and I know many other pregnancy has been celebrated and folks are very eager. I’ve got pictures of my grandmas, aunts, great aunts, etc very pregnant both at home and in public
Interesting, my Mom doesn’t remember that. Now clearly morals were different or held at a higher standard then but women weren’t hidden away in late stages of pregnancy. She remembers her Mom and Aunts being too busy raising kids, cooking, grocery shopping, even sewing clothes, etc. to have hidden themselves in their homes. She also remembers discussions about a particular sister in law being pregnant “again” in family discussions or gossip. It was more common that they stayed home and didn’t work which was perfectly normal. They didn’t show off their pregnant bellies or pop their boobs out to breastfeed publicly like today but they weren’t forbid to come out of the house because they were 8 months pregnant
Totally enjoyable video, answering a few questions of my own. As someone who spins, I often have wondered about the turnaround time to produce a garment of linen or wool. 4 years for linen, and probably 2-3 for wool. And this labor to produce fabric means fabric is costly. Also, in reference to ministers, etc., of the Puritan days complaining of women's riding clothing, it is actually a Biblical injunction about cross-dressing: Deuteronomy 22:5, we read, "A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God." Depending on your beliefs, there you go for many reasons clothing was relegated to sexes in the west. In Asia, and other parts of the world, women did wear pants. So, part of western dress and dressing mandates are also founded on religious mandates.
I'm glad it was so enjoyable! I always find Kass really fun to speak with 😊Fabric really must have been so expensive, probably a cost that we cannot even fathom nowadays. Even in the Victorian era clothes were expensive compared to now, and that's with full-fledged industrial revolution productions.
Ah yes! It makes perfect sense then that with Western history especially being so influenced by Christianity, that clothing would be delegated as per Deuteronomy 22:5 as you reference. I was raised in an Eastern school of thought, so I appreciate the insight into this as it's not an area I'm familiar with! 😊
@@VBirchwood The usual thing we say on the subject is "Back then labour was cheap and fabric expensive. Now labour is (more) expensive and fabric is (relatively) cheap. Italian merchant families in the late 15th century were known to spend their entire fortunes on specially-woven silk brocade for their eldest daughter's wedding just so they could show off. After the wedding, the fabric was secretly auctioned off to pay the debts incurred for the celebration!
This is without doubt the most fascinating fashion video on TH-cam. It was so enlightening and a joy to watch.
So glad you enjoyed it!
I fell in love with fashion history when I was 12 and my parents bought a set of World Book encyclopedias. When I discovered the entry about fashion history I would pour over the the illustrations of the various kinds of women’s and men’s throughout history and then invent and draw my own takes on the prevailing fashions at any given time.
This visit with your excellent fashion historian was so informative. When I think of pregnancy clothing from around 1830 until the 1980’s I think of the smocks and Mother Hubbard dresses that my mom and many other ladies that I knew wore. When I got pregnant with my son in 1988 fashion was turning away from tent like fashions to more fitted maternity clothes. It was definitely a welcome change because wearing the equivalent of a circus tent was not a flattering look on any woman. I and most of my friends who were pregnant during this transitional period of time were already dealing with a rapidly changing silhouette, and the last thing we needed was to feel frumpy on top of being pregnant. Thank goodness that the sky’s the limit in terms of pregnancy fashions now rather than there being only one way to dress AND be comfortable during those nine months!
Thank you so much! I definitely agree that it’s such a blessing there are many maternity options now and that it doesn’t just have to be loose fitting garments. Also that pregnancy isn’t something needing to be hidden anymore is a big help, because many can now wear tighter fitting maternity clothes that they perhaps feel more comfortable in and still be accepted in society overall. It’s great progress.
This was a really fascinating video! I'd never actually thought about maternity wear, having not had any children, but would have simply assumed that with all that fabric there was plenty of room to hide the bulge! I honestly hadn't thought of the Victorian era issues. Really enjoyed the bit about the woman hours required to sew one man's tunic, and also the bits about the Victorians height being stunted by the industrial revolution. I actually watched this one twice because there were so many fascinating details that I'd not heard before. Thanks! I quite look forward to seeing your future collaborations. Will check out Cass's channel too!
Thanks so much Elinor! I’m glad you learned so much useful information from this video, and thanks for the two views 😁
Your channel is EXCELLANT and covers HISTORICAL CONTENT IN ALL IT VARYING ASPECTS -
I am doing some family history research and read that my female German forebears probably wore skirts made with deep openings from waist downwards. So the back tied around the waist at the front while the front of the skirt tied at the back. Very adjustable and the slits at each side allowed access to a sort of purse worn underneath. Sounded very practical
That’s extremely similar to how a British 18th century skirt is tied :) one deep slit on each side, ties back to front and then front to back.
This was a fascinating topic, thank you so much for covering it. The vast majority of us watching understood and appreciated why you had to censor as a youtube creator who wants this to reach as many people as possible.
Thank you for the kind comment and the reassurance of my choices (which I did to benefit the greatest good.) They're both greatly appreciated 😊
my current favourite pieces in my wardrobe were marketed as sustainably made maternity wear, and due to how they're made they're perfect pregnant and loose or not pregnant and with a belt or pair of (particularly pretty) stays on top!
That’s so awesome! I’m constantly impressed by how versatile some maternity wear can be.
Very facinating, and it makes total sense that ones everyday clothing would also be maternety wear! Especially with how many pregnancies people in the past went through
Thanks Lilja! And yes absolutely, especially considering how much time it used to take just to make one dress. Very few would have had the time to have separate maternity specific garments so they’d need sort of a Swiss army knife of garments that would be perfect for anything life could throw at you haha.
Haha Yes a swiss army knife of garments is a perfect analogy 😂
@@LiljaHusmo hahaha thank you, I feel proud of that one 😂
They really didn’t go through *that many pregnancies- more couples had children than today but miscarriages, deadly pregnancy and birth complications, childbed fever, etc were so common that it wasn’t something they avg gal did that often tbh. Wealthier women who had access to proper nutrition and doctors had larger families- that’s why there’s so many queens and princess that had a lot of children, they also didn’t have to work and had more time on their hands. Birth rates actually increased in the early to mid 20th century during times of medical revolution.
When I clicked on this video I did so because I was curious and had no intention of watching the entire thing. But here I am 40 minutes later wondering why the video ended.
This was so informative and interesting. Thanks for doing this and I look forward to seeing more.
that’s such a compliment! Thank you so much 😊
This was excellent and I'm so looking forward to further 500 year episodes. I love Kass's enthusiasm and knowledge. You make a great pair!
Thanks so much Jane! 😊
As a person who has had two children and cannot afford to get a new wardrobe every time my body changes (plus the environmental and human labor costs of fast fashion are just devastating), I really appreciate the practicality, inventiveness, and durability of women in the past. The pleasure in objects that are also highly functional. Yes, of course, there are moralistic and social status concerns, but there's a lot of maneuvering within those confines. Love to see it. Thank you and Kass for sharing!
Thanks for watching Jaime! And for sharing your own story 😊
I had four children between age 22 and 29--i actually wore out many of my maternity clothes!
If you look at the publications of French fashion plates of “Galerie de la Mode” during the late 1700’s there were references to Maternity Outifits…they would be called deshabillé ( in a state of undress) and of course still wearing plenty of clothing just not wearing noticeable tightened stays.
This was such an interesting video. I could have listened to these two ladies all day. Fascinating information and years of education and research here!
Thank you so much for watching! 😊
This was so educational and amazing. Not just about the clothing but the generalities as well. So awesome.
I'm pregnant and don't want to spend money on a maternity wardrobe. So I have muslin on the way to make a shift, possibly 2 or 3, for everyday wear, and an over dress that will wind break well in the winter. I decided on regency dresses because I KNEW those would fit (and got a great deal on an authentic pattern) but was curious so I found you! It's fascinating. Mind I hate modern conventional fashion but I apparently ADORE historical fashion.
Congrats on the pregnancy! Regency dresses were a great call, super accommodating for pregnancy as you say 😊 Historical fashion has many convenient elements and can be very sustainable, so I don't blame you for loving it!
That sounds beautiful!
My great grandmother stayed confined at home throughout her pregnancies. My grandma, her daughter, didn't know her mother was going to have a baby ahead of time, when as a teen. The kids would go visit a family member for a day or two, and come back to a surprise baby sibling. She wrote a voluminous apron, all the time, and it apparently hid the pregnancy for the whole nine months.
What an absolutely delightful and enlightening video this was! I could listen to you two ladies all day. So happy the algorithm suggested this video ☺️
The blue and white floral print that you used for the top that I can see (no way to know if the skirt portion is the same) is absolutely charming, and the fichu is just the perfect way to add a little modesty to the daring neckline.
Wow, this was absolutely fascinating, and it confirmed some suspicions I've had about why women's clothing has been different from men's throughout the vast majority of history. Thank you for making this!
That was utterly fascinating, thank you for the video! It totally makes sense that all women's clothing was maternity clothing in the times when a) women were pregnant for much of their lives and b) clothing wasn't mass produced so it wasn't affordable or practical to get entirely new garmets for your changing body. Your run through different eras not only made me look at historical clothing from a new perspective, but also organize my patchy knowledge about the evolution of European female fashion. I've been watching fashion history TH-cam for some time, but still have limited understanding of where different styles fit chronologically. This video helps 🙂
I loved this! The whole topic was interesting throughout and especially the information on literally how long it would take to produce fabric back in those days. Something you just don't think about nowadays with our industrial advancement. Can't wait for the upcoming 500 years of videos :-)
Thank you so much 22mononoke 😊
My grandmother, a life long seamstress (specifically was known for her historically accurate costumes for our theater) would’ve appreciated this type of content had it been around earlier so thank you for these educational videos. I do have to say comparing our modern perceptions of life (what we deem right and wrong) to early times is unfair if not ignorant. We have so many more luxuries and conveniences today than women ever have had so of course it seems horrific if not barbaric to imagine a pregnant woman in the Victorian era forced to stay home but I love that the expert on here quickly reminds us of the differences of then to today and why. It’s easy to criticize history or what was practiced during a point in time. There are parts of history that will always remain egregious and inhumane but we weren’t there, our ancestors were and I appreciate this expert and the facts and points she brings. Especially with the point made on how long it took to sew a man’s garment/shirt and why women often wore the style of dress they wore with the waist and that was to accommodate pregnancy. Absolutely makes sense
Excellent video packed with info, thank you! It was the clearest, best explanation for lacing through time and why buttons for women were a flex!
Ah thanks so much Skirted Galleons! I always really enjoy reading your comments 😊 (And buttons really were a flex!)
Can you do a 20th century materity clothing video throughout the decades? Would be cool!
I’m juuuust old enough to have heard as a child that you should never show off your pregnancy. My mother was dressed in these insanely shaped garments to hide her belly but of course, that didn’t really work by the end lmao. By the time I was considering children for myself that had shifted. Now we are delightfully proud of that life stage and generally don’t hide. I chose to not have children, but if I had, I would not have hidden. I like the change, though being able to stay home and not have to go out in the later stages certainly sounds like a pro, not a con!!!
It’s so wild to imagine how recent it was too that things started to shift around visibly seeing pregnancy. Definitely feel really grateful that people are proud of pregnancy today generally and don’t force it to be hidden.
As someone who can't have children but tried, I think that "don't show off" thing probably came from how common pregnancy loss was. If nobody knew you were pregnant, you wouldn't have to answer the awkward "how are you feeling" type questions after you lost the baby. Also, people are SO WEIRD about pregnant women, it has become acceptable to touch random strangers just because she has a belly. Hiding the belly for a long time would make it much easier to go about without idiot strangers trying to touch you.
I never really heard this (I was born in 1970.) I don't recall what my mother wore while pregnant with my sister--I was 3. But I had all four of my kids during the 90's and even then, I had a very hard time finding maternity clothes that didn't look like they were made for a toddler. Bows and ruffles galore! As a six foot tall woman, I didn't want to be dressed like some frilly confection. I'm eagerly awaiting grandchildren, and think it's so cool that now maternity clothes look like regular clothes with a little extra room.
I’ve never really heard this. Must be a regional or personal thing. And vintage 20th century maternity clothing was often just loose or with pieces that gave them the ability to grow along with the women. I’ve got lots of pictures of my grandmas, aunts, great aunts, etc very pregnant not hidden at all. Perhaps they just didn’t wear “bump hugging” clothes as much as women do now
Thank you! I loved this video! Your guest is very knowledgeable and entertaining, and I learned a lot. (I have some Reconstructing History patterns and the one I've made turned out really well.) I've always suspected that women's clothing had lacing because of pregnancy (and monthly bloating and such) so I'm glad to have it confirmed.
I'm beginning to think a lot of our modern social problems were inherited from the Victorians - not that the problems didn't exist before that, but the particular form they take now was heavily influenced by Victorian thinking. That was a weird time in history. It seems like the development of technology makes people believe they can transcend humanity, and that transcending humanity is desirable, which is a very strange and harmful concept. It's like we are supposed to be ashamed of being animals (because that's somehow "lower") and hide that from everyone around us. It's interesting to consider how clothing reflects our attitudes and values.
I've been wondering about this since I heard of maternity corset (which apparently only started to be a thing from the 1870s on?). Anyway this is such a thorough exploration of the history behind it, I'll take a look on it time and again if I need it 😺😉
This was fascinating. Thanks for sharing!
This was a very good video! It taught me a lot. Most of all to appreciate the freedom we have today as women, and fashion. Thank you!
Such a freaking good video!
Thank you thank you!
I’ve been so curious about maternity fashion I. History and this showed up and was just what I needed
Thanks so much for watching Nicole! 😊
I want to hit on how new the idea of showing off your pregnant belly with your maternity clothing is. My grandma doesn't understand the straight/tighter dresses and shirts cut to fit and emphasize a belly because when she was pregnant with my aunt, uncles, and mom in the 50s and 60s you hid your belly as much as possible (even though at least imo maternity wear was pretty specific and easy to pick out). I love that we show off our pregnant bellies more now! What's happening in our bodies is *amazing* and I love emphasizing what my body is doing!
Definitely a great point! Kass mentioned this when I was interviewing her too but I had to cut it because of time constraints. I’m so glad that bellies can now openly be shown in many places, because it really is such an incredible thing.
I remember Demi Moore’s pregnancy cover in Vanity Fair as a turning point in modern history, after that women felt freer to show and celebrate a pregnant belly. When I was pregnant in 1996 it was common to wear draped clothing but when I was pregnant in 2001 I was comfortable showing my silhouette.
This was really cool overall and a topic that gets asked a lot but not covered much. Also, I am a beginning sewist and Kass's patterns have helped ease me into making garments. Thanks to you both!
Ah that's so wonderful to hear! I'm a fan of Kass' patterns as well 😊 Thanks so much for watching and for your comment!
Fascinating video, thanks so much for sharing this wealth of information.
I'm not a historical clothing buff or someone who dresses in period costume, but I do love to hear about women's lives and how they were shaped by the time by the materials, technologies, and cultural norms of the time. I think a lot can be learned from knowing the root of how we got to where we are now, whether that's a waistline or the way society treated women.
I'd especially like to thank you for not hamming it up with a bunch of cut scenes, loud talk, and clickbait. Just real history, relayed by real women. As of right now, I'm a fan of your work!
Glad you enjoyed the video! 😊
Something I definitely would recommend looking at because it's just Fantastic. Is princess buttercups red dress from Princess Bride. The bare bones of the pattern is almost exactly like my grandmother's summer house dress that's probably 50 years old. With minor changes it can work for nearly any century, including the modern day.
Thanks for the suggestion! 😊
I would like be to hear how our fashion and dress would be described for those living in a different time period! This was fun! Thank you for sharing this interesting part of history! 💗
Thank you for this video. I have for a long time wondered why dresses were so ubiquitously worn by women throughout history and am extremely happy that the Algorithm promoted your video to me. I look forward to watching more videos in this series 💖
What fun! Thank you. I hardly even se but I have so enjoyed watching things about clothing over the last 500 years. Very relaxing
So glad you like the video! There will be another episode coming out in about two weeks 😊
How fascinating! Looking forward to the next one!
Thank you 😊
This is one of the most helpful, interesting, and informative videos I have ever encountered on youtube.
Yay! So glad to hear it 😊
I enjoyed this video very much. Talking about women not going in public. If you were
Pregnant. When Queen Elizabeth II had her 25th anniversary on the thrown. Princess Anne was pregnant. All the reports on tv. We’re wondering out loud. If we would see Princess Anne. Would she would come out in public. Because she was pregnant. The reports were so excited when she did come out with the rest of the royal family.
Thanks for watching! How interesting!
I learned a song that is very very old, and refers to pregnancy. It's called Tarrytown ... Or Wild Goose Grasses:
In Tarrytown there did dwell
A lovely youth, I knew him well.
He courted me my life away
And now with me he will no longer stay
Wide and deep, my grave will be
With the wild goose grasses growing over me.
When I wore my apron low
He followed me through ice and snow
Now that I wear my apron high
He goes right down my street and passes by
Wide and deep my grave will be
With the wild goose grasses growing over me.
Pregnancy. Always serious.
Wonderful episode, and even to remind me of this song!
Such sad words, and not much has changed has it.
@@okiedokieartichokie772 yes, the struggle continues, but good people voting and voting will make the difference.
I loved this production. I have never studied period clothing and found this fascinating. This wonderful history lesson is done so well. Thank you for the enlightenment..
Really informative thanks for this great video. Peace to you both and to all who are seeing this
I don’t know how I managed to miss this for so long. I loved it and Kass is awesome!
She’s so amazing, right!? Glad you got to see it! It was an important one to film 😊
What a fascinating video. I was glued to the screen.
That was very interesting; not what I was expecting but so much better! Thank you, ladies!
Thank you for watching 😊
I found this discussion to be so engaging and informative and of course so much fun. As a Londoner I can confirm that a person still has to be vigilant when out and about. It’s very sad.
THE BEST INFO...ON A WOMAN'S NATURAL DRESS AND CLOTHING THROUGH "HER GESTATION PHASE"...
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Thanks Rita!
I really enjoyed this video, I love the format of that's not entirely interview, but also not just 'talking head documentary'. I'll check out Kass' channel too!
Such fascinating content, thank you so much for the effort!
My pleasure! Thank you for your kind comment 😊
Very very interesting... not only do I study history... like abvient world history... here in my old age... but my original profession is textile designer...and where I studied in the silkstat Krefeld they had a marvelous museum with fabrics going wayway back... thanks for this video...looking forward to more...
This was very interesting, especially the bit about the pins. I can't imagine what a chocking hazard this would have been for babies.
Thank you! That’s a very good point! I’m guessing though that babies had all sorts of potential hazards since infant mortality was extremely high historically. Probably pins was a more minimal worry.
as someone who sews with 2 healthy children, I've never had issue with my babies swallowing pins- they get put in a pincushion or a container and are kept out of children's reach. In modern settings It's more likely that my child would find it in the carpet and it stabs their feet. We also have remember most people had wood, tile or earthen floors and such pins are easier to spot on these flooring types . With what I DO know about health sanitation and other things about history would be more concerned with: drowning, falls , choking, accidental smothering and diseases than pins around small children..
During the timeframe where women would have used pins to daily close their clothes, pins were expensive and labor intensive. A woman would have kept tabs on where they were and taken care to store them in a secure place.
@@deborahwilliams349 very true. Pins would have been precious
This was so interesting. I loved the expression "professional complainers", they are definitely still around! Women have it so much easier now, it is just unbelievable how closeted women were in their houses in previous centuries
Glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 Women definitely have it much easier now (generally speaking as I’m sure there are places where women have it far worse or just as bad as historically). Even with that being said though, there is still so much work to be done for women’s rights.
This was great, thank you! I have made an early medieval dress for Viking age living history. The gores pretty much start under my armpits and it is huge around the waist. I have had two kids and I made the dress this way without another pregnancy in mind. Just because it would accommodate every stage of a women's changing body and that is great to show to the visitors at the museums.
Ahhh this amazing! And I totally agree with your thinking. It's great to have garments that can be go-to's no matter how the body decides to change 😊
I really enjoyed this discussion...great and thoughtful information.
Thanks for watching!!
At around 32:00, Ms McGann mentions how a pregnant woman as compared often to a pregnant horse and it was scandalous if they went outdoors whilst pregnant and you reply 'how sad' made me think of what I often say. One can't judge other people's actions with today's mentality. Today we would think it's sad, however, back then, it was normal thinking. Just like in 100 years from now, the people living might think of us as weird or even nuts, in the way we think. I absolutely loved this video and learned so much. Thank you for creating it and all the information you gave us. Thanks from Canada
Hello from Germany! Eine superinterressante Sendung! Well done! 👋🏻👍🏻 Vielen Dank.... Can't wait to see more reports! Viele Grüße 🤗
So glad you enjoyed the video 🥰
I am enjoying the "500 Years of..." series and look forward to the next installment!
Thank you! The next one is going to be a fun one 😁
This was so fascinating to hear! It really makes me look at clothing in a different way. I never thought about the restrictive/permanent sizing of buttons instead of ties or pins. In fact, I never thought of using pins outside of like a cloak pin. Thank you both for sharing this information!
Thanks so much for watching Elsa! Pins are a magical thing 😊
Pins make a lot more sense for closing a garment if you’re wearing a boned garment underneath, because you can safely pin into that boned garment.
Based on extant garments I've seen in other costube videos from the 1800s & 1900s, even if you had a front button closure there were still a lot of shenanigans that went on with letting out darts & side seams, adding gores & gussets etc? Even with those very fitted bodices, it looks like there was a fair amount you could do to tweak an existing garment for size changes during some earlier months of pregnancy, before having to exchange it for an entirely new one more suited to confinement.
*mind blown* I've been curious about this topic for the longest time.
It’s so fascinating right?! I’m glad potentially Kass has answered some of your questions 😊
What a wonderful, educational video. I loved it. I am fascinated by Victorian dress and times.
Fascinating, and very well presented. Thank you!
Your fichu is so lovely and delicate. Also, thank you so much for this video. I love learning about all aspects of fashion history.
Thank you! So glad you enjoyed the video 🥰
Fascinating, ladies! Thank you!
Awsome content, great explanation of fashion. Thank you fir this program.
I really enjoyed this video. Historical women's fashion has always fascinated me.
This is a fascinating discussion. Thank you so much for your detailed explanation of fashion through the lens of pregnancy.
Thanks so much for watching! 😊
This was very fun and informative ! I always LOVE these long retrospectives on one particular aspect of fashion, like Abby's 500 years of necklines video. That video made me realize I loved some of the 17th century fashions, and this one definitely confirmed it. Let's bring them back !! Let's historybound the 1600s !
Also, the whole outfit at 15:02 looks surprisingly 1840s.
I have to say that Kass is kinda contradicting herself when she says 'the idea that having your pregnant belly out there is ok is a very new one'. It hasn't been a long time since it resurfaced in western fashion, sure. (1980s or 90s maybe?) But as she points out earlier in the video, no effort was made to hide the bump in some decades, and it was even a desirable silhouette. Late medieval and early 1600s fashion, with their high-ish waist and loose folds, would definitely have the bump 'out there', wouldn't they ?
Thank you!! Yes, I love these 500 years of videos too! Which is why I thought it'd be so fun to cover some of the ones I haven't seen yet with Kass 😊I am feeling more and more tempted to delve into 17th century now, after this chat haha. I'm sure you could come up with some really interesting 17th c. historybounds!
I think what Kass means is that while yes, the silhouette in the 1400s was to "look pregnant" due to it meaning you're "a good wife", etc., pretty much by the 1600s and beyond (really until probably the 1970s, and even still now in some areas), it became very, very taboo to be seen publicly as pregnant. Pregnant women were even censored on the TV in the 1970s still, Kass talks about this but I had to cut it out due to time. Our entire chat was over 2 hours, and I chopped it all down into 40 minutes.
So I don't think Kass is contradicting herself, as she didn't say it was never okay to be seen pregnant publicly (as in all throughout history), rather that it's only become recently okay again (societally-speaking). It's many hundreds of centuries that pregnant women have been confined away and hidden from the public, up until this point (at least in the west). Another interesting thing is that women are very rarely painted when pregnant in art throughout history. There are of course some, like the ones I included in this thumbnail, but it is really quite few and far between, and some of the Georgian/Victorian paintings especially were painted of a woman after she died in childbirth, likely to eternalise her, remember her, etc. So while in the 1400s the symbolism of appearing pregnant in paintings, done by the extensive quantities of gathered fabrics etc, was a popular thing, the actual act of being pregnant in paintings is quite uncommon. That's what makes paintings like "Portrait of an Unknown Lady" so remarkable.
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Fair enough.
Looking forward to the next episodes !
@@AliciaB. thank you! The next one should be quite fun 😊
@@VBirchwood I've often looked at Renaissance paintings of young women who were about to be married off and had a sad thought. Of course they were painted to show a far-off family what a beautiful (read healthy) and well-dressed (read wealthy) bride they would be getting, but I can't help but think that another reason for having a portrait of your daughter made at that time was so you could remember what she looked like in case she didn't survive her first childbirth.
I am chuffed to find this film. Fascinating I rung the bell an hit the button, so to speak.. Have a lovely day lasse ..
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Thanks so much! 😊
An extremely knowledgeable guest! Thank you. Well done!
Thanks for watching!
A bit tangential, but the high labor cost of clothes was why young kids, male and female, often wore simple “dresses” until toilet trained….a tiny shirt and pants were harder to make and before modern diapers….the pants would often be wet. Kids were also potty-trained earlier, as hand-washing cloth diapers and soiled clothes was an additional chore.
Famously, actually "expecting " actress Lucille Ball appeared visibly pregnant on the TV series "I Love Lucy" in the early 1950s. It was considered a really daring, groundbreaking thing to do, but she pulled it off. Those Victorian expectations lasted a long time!
Thanks for sharing that amazing knowledge, that's so interesting!
That was so interresting, thank you both! 🌻
Thanks so much for watching!
If i remember correctly, part of the popularity of the houppelande was because of what came before it: the bubonic plague. To have a dress that made it look like you were pregnant meant fertility and birth instead of the death they were coming out of
"If i remember correctly"
It's a wonder you can remember anything at such an age.
Sorry, can't help myself.
what a great video! thank you to you and kass! she is delightful, btw, as are you. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed the video 😊
With my 6th pregnancy l lived at a clothing optional beach, that was hands down the best!