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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2024
- Just in time for the release of ZZZ, Honkai Impact 3rd was the first golden goose that this small indie studio miHoYo needed to become one of the biggest players in the gacha industry. From humble beginnings, I will go over their path to success, as well as review this game after playing it for a month to answer the question: Is Honkai Impact 3rd any good?
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:06 - Introducing the Honkai-verse
10:13 - Overview
15:54 - Gameplay
19:18 - Progression
31:31 - Gacha & Monetization
39:10 - Presentation
41:32 - Late Game Content
43:40 - F.O.M.O
45:13 - Variety & Content Frequency
46:32 - Final thoughts
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Outro music:
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References:
Honkai Lore History by Mihoyo:
• Introducing the Honkai...
The Immoral Design of Diablo Immortal by Josh Strife Hayes:
• The Immoral Design of ...
FlyMe2theMoon App Store Archive:
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Dawei and company interview on Houkai Gakuen by Mihoyo:
• [Honkai Impact 3rd x N...
Liu Wei's interview on personal development:
• 米哈游创始人刘伟开腔 | 回想创业10年，热...
Flyme2themoon gameplay footage:
• FlyMe2theMoon - Stage ...
GGZ original trailer:
• Guns Girl School DayZ ...
GGZ animated cutscene:
• Houkai Gakuen 2 - Kian...
GGZ Gameplay footage:
• Guns Girl Z - Story St...
HI3 initial gameplay trailer:
• Honkai Impact 3rd - Ga...
Dvalin Genshin connection video by Mihoyo:
• V4.2 Battlesuit [Falle...
Welt's Lore Video by Mihoyo:
• Honkai Chronicles - He...
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27:39
man, it actually WAS worse. back it times you had to farm different materials for different types of weapons, and must combine three honkai cube parts to full cube
Omg i rememberrrrrr the fucking flower and other random mats LMAOOOO
Yet people wonders why does Honkai Impact 3rd less popular
@@xkongouosu4768 I mean, that is pretty self-evident if you play the game and know what general audience wants. And that is DEFINITELY not Honkai Impact 3rd(endgame-lackers complainers from GI would be delighted, but not for long, obviously). Better that way, to be honest - writers don't need to cater to children with attention span of a goldfish.
The gold pins...the mithrill...The 3 DIFFERENT Sakura Flowers and many more, i know its terrible but it feels kinda nostalgic, still i would appreciate if they remove half of the shop, since it's useless
Yeah but it was kinda more forgiving and you could farm many material easily, but whatever.
Seeing the growth of Kiana over nearly a decade was absolutely incredible , and got a lot of people invested and attached to her.
It's a shame that many games are using a mostly silent/self insert main character nowadays
most games dont even really use a self insert main character. to support a real self insert character you need choice. look at the lenghts baldurs gate 3 had to go to give you an actual self insert experience. usually modern gacha give you a mostly silent character that is just so incredibly shallow that nobody ever possibly could get offended or challenged by the main characters choices. some are in fact so incredibly void of character that they get sometimes mistaken for a real self insert character.
If your talking about the current big 3 isn't the silent protagonist just the Traveller though? ZZZ and Wuwa has pretty vocal main characters(Can't say much about hsr cuz I've never played it)
@@MrWilliGaming yeah most games usually have a named protagonist without or barely any voice. It is for people to project themself into the protagonist and be immersed in the game. Usually these kind of games side character are the one who's interesting rather than the protag
@@theunknowman12 most good games don't. this is doubly true for good modern story driven rpg expirence.
just look at these examples of highly reviewed games:
The Witcher 3: character talks a lot and you are given an abundance of choice.
Hogwarts legacy: character talks a lot and you are given an abundance of choice
Baldurs gate 3:.... yeah there is way too much good dialogue and choice here this doesn't really count.
unless you are talking about purely action driven games like Doom or Halo or older games like Half life you are not going to be finding many of those old silent protagonists anymore. thats because they suck.
@@MrWilliGaming I mean, most Nintendo properties still do the silent protagonist thing, including Mario, (including the RPG games) Zelda, and Metroid. (well, except for Metroid Other M and the old CD-i Zelda games, I guess. ^^;)
On the JRPG side, Atlus has been carrying the silent protagonist torch for a while.
Plenty of good Indie games have silent protagonists too, including story driven RPGs. (Undertale came out the same year as the Witcher 3, for example,)
Don't get me wrong, I personally tend to prefer fully developed protagonist to "blank slates," but having a silent protagonist is not the mark of shame you make it out to be.
Though I must say, if they are giving me a silent protagonist in an RPG, I do hope they make the dialogue choices interesting and with a lot of personality. (Which is why I think the mostly silent protagonist works much better on HSR than Genshin, for example.)
On the grinding limit. its a thing that was mandatory on most chinese games for a time. and with H3I being so old, its a remnant from old law that was in place.
oh yeah that's worth pointing out: Honkai's limited grinds are intentionally to keep your daily playtime low. Gaming back then was being regulated by people skeptical of the value of its existence as a whole, because they saw it as something wasting kids' time when they could be burning out their eyeballs on more studying instead. It's also part of why consoles were banned from sale in China for the longest time. HI3's design also coincidentally lets them have a long tail of you coming back every day, but I'm sure the "keeping daily playtime relatively low" thing was most important lol
Honkai impact is one of the games that has a special place is my heart.
I still remember the time when I encountered the reburn animation by chance and thought it was a new anime only to then say "wait this is a mobile game?!" And by that point I was hooked into the hoyo hole.
I unfortunately had to retire because holy shit this game's inner space has more compressed mass than a black hole!. But it is safe to say that kiana walked so the travelers and trailblazers could run. And man...did she walked good.
And at the end of it all, she flew. She reached the moon as she set out to do in the beginning
yeah, Honkai impact part one of the story was a feat in gaming and story history for gatcha gaming part 2 wasn't welcomed so much though i will always hold a candle for Kiana and the group to this day is still good despite players playing Genshin impact and star rail i have every character 89 in total from 90 im only missing the newest Fu Hua character
@@dan_chenI immediately thought of FlyMeToTheMoon
@@serinnamayberry1340Part 2 story at the beginning is horrendous and just so convoluted, but at least it's getting a lot better now.
@@noobymooby-ty8gh
Still mid af
You werent able to get into raids because 3 patches ago those were removed. That mode was multiplayer-only and aside from that it sometimes was kinda jank with desyncs and disconnects and players were split on multiplayer in general, they didn't feel like it was worth to develop multiplayer on the new part 2 engine for an old outdated system. Raids were a big part of the sensei-student system too because you were expected to play together with your sensei/student for bonus rewards and it was also needed for the student to graduate. But now that it's gone, some of the materials or item descriptions, that havent been updated yet, are the few remnants of it.
they removed it, damn
The times were I'd brought my Herrschers to fry other's phones (?
@@Rodri34451Good times. HoV and HoR.
also noone liked Raids because you could do them solo easy but you had to find 2 people who will also not dissconect midway and get through all stages in one sitting. Aproximately 30 minutes
didn't know they removed it
john honkai is the one of the best protagonist names of all time, just behind john elden ring tbh
John Honkai was the faceless player who knew how to Mafuba, until he got shovelled off into his own universe full of in jokes.
I cannot believe you did not mention John Yakuza, he has the best name of all of them
excuse you, his name is Elden John
Another employee of John Hoyoverse
ngl I kinda prefer John Bloodborne
I like how the "progression" section of the video is the longest, my eyes actually glazed over while you were explaining the various currencies lmao. I tried HI3 for a bit and while it was somewhat fun, the painful resource management, confusing progression, powercreep, and reliance on the gacha for much stronger equipment resulted in me quickly dropping it. It's clearly less streamlined than its competitors like PGR and Aether Gazer, but credit where credit is due, we owe it to HI3 for starting the ARPG gacha genre. Speaking of, I hope you'll consider reviewing Aether Gazer.
If you stopped playing a while ago it has gotten better
I started playing about 6 months ago and I'm not even fully sure what all the currencies do. Luckily some are less as important as others and its easy to keep track of the important ones
Wdym it's soo easy to get the new characters, I just joined back and I got lantern so stop crybabying about everything cause you don't get anything in a gacha game
@@yddyhrxhtfxgfhxtfh3986thats not the point. and fyi its not easy to keep up with every character release, since they often need their own weapons and stigmatas. anyways the main point was the currencies and the game in general is unnecessarily bloated and makes it unapproachable for new players
funny thing is you actually dont need to upgrade anything, ever. they just lend you every character you need to play the story.
- Hi3 is actually 8 year old due to chinese version/server was 1 year ahead of other server. At some point, they speed up and now other server is 1-2 patch(depending on the time) behind chinese server
- Flyme2moon was actually a big success, not smash hit like today game but it was a big success compare to the team scale
- Honkai Gakuen 1 or Zombiegal was actually a massive flop so mhy gamble everything they have into honkai 2 aka GGZ which thankfully was a smash hit in china saving the company from the brink or bankrupt
- Learning from their previous mistake, they quickly develop Hi3 while still early on in GGZ life span. Hi3 was then again a massive hit, it is the game that elevate mhy greatly and it lay all the foundation of success for mhy future in many way, the true MVP to mhy success
- HI3 was plan to be GGZ direct sequel, 3rd in the name refer to the 3rd eruption/impact in the story but also the universe 3rd reset (1st and 2nd happen in GGZ) but very early on mhy realize it not a good idea so they turn hi3 into it own game and self contain story, setting itself apart from GGZ
- The first herrscher didn't manifest inside a human being, in reality the first herrscher power become a human, he was later name Welt Joyce refer to as Joyce
- Joyce later pass on the herrscher power to Joachim who rename himself into Welt Yang, who we call today as Welt
- Otto didn't technically form anti Entropy, he was the head of Schicksal, Anti Entropy was formally a branch of Schicksal that was task to research Joyce but after what happen to Joyce and the conflict with Otto, Welt and his friend within that branch separate from Schicksal and form it own organization, becoming Anti Entropy
- The battle with Sirin didn't cost the life of both Kiana parent, at the time only Cecilia died while Siegfried gone missing but not dead
- You r mixing up Sea of Quanta and Imaginary Tree, each branch of the tree is a different timeline and each leaf is it own universe, the tree it self are hoyoverse while all honkai game r universes within a big branch know as honkaiverse then genshin and other non honkai game of hoyo is somewhere on the tree. Sea of Quanta is what beneath the tree, this is where leaf fall down and everything else from junk to broken fragment of old universe, that why it super chaotic and weird
- every 1-2 year the dev will try to streamline the game and early part of it, which result into the current honkai is much more organize than before
- The male mc you play in APHO is actually name Adam, this name appear on a file of the game referring to this mc
- On Stigmata part, ALL stigmata release since part 2 will be craftable, which is a big deal for hi3 player as it will lower the cost of gacha if they happen to get weapon early or unlucky and missing a piece. it also lower the cost of gacha a char and full gear down to a half compare to before part 2, if previously you need up to 300 pulls for everything then now thanks to change to part 2, you only need 150 pulls total in the worst scenario possible. The banner that you see pity of 50 with 4 item under it is the banner of part 1 stuff
- for SP valk, it not an event exclusive valk, you can buy their frag in the asterite shop that reset weekly so it a completely welfare upgradable valk mhy give u and SP valk tend to be a support valk, many of them were meta support of their time
- for daily stage, you will only need to clear the stage once and you can quick farm it right outside, when you just enter the menu of daily, there is no need for ticket for this daily quick farm. The reason it costing ticket is becoz you r farming it over the daily limit
- i have nothing to defend the amount of material management in hi3 beside the fact that they have streamline it a few time and remove or merging many material lol
- the worst value thing you can buy in hi3 imo is the monthly pass or we can call it Welkin, it was so bad that it unironically made buying bp look cheap
- Lucky that you try hi3 after part 2 coz the gacha of part 1 will scare the heck out of you hahahaha
- Q Manifold is actually not highly compete, most of the time you only need to be able to complete 10 stage and you will atleast not be demoted and stay up so leaderboard is not heavily affected at there. The true endgame mode abyss is superstring dimension that unlock at captain lv80 along with higher difficulty Memorial Arena, this new abyss is one where you will have to compete with other player to stay or promote to next bracket, clearing all stage is not enough you need to be faster than other people atleast fast enough so you don't get demote.
- Senti Summer outfit did get rerun like last year or something coz i also gacha for it, a lot of S rank skin in hi3 have already rerun atleast 1, some older one might even be given for free and some A rank will be free or buyable in another way like HoT A rank rgb skin
- Hi3 most S rank skin can be gacha with the max of 9k6 xtal, no B chip needed and the quality beat genshin skin by a long shot, even hi3 A rank skin beat all of genshin skin as well
- Event in honkai usually contain non canon story or captainverse story which is not tie to main story so technically there is no fomo of missing out any big story in event compare to genshin or hsr. And there r even non story event so they can rerun event very easily in honkai
- Many big event in hi3 do have build up and time gate that need you to do it daily so be aware of that and don't wait until the last day to play or you will regret it
I would say that Captainverse have certain influences to main story, albeit very indirect, original veteran players would remember the original divergence to 2nd open world are intersect, at least prior to Odd Drifter 2nd phase & Kongming event that starts diverges many timelines and universes altogether
Captain's events is deeper rabbit holes than even most lore analysts would think, even the guy revealed his connection to Ferryman like he's Star Child from obscure W40K lore, it's a shame that he barely if later ever to encounter Durandal aside from obscure CNY 2020 "Reunion Dinner" event tbh
I hope pseychie reads this.
@@ohamatchhams ik but honkai lore in general is already confusing so i don't want him to jump into another more confusing rabbit hole. Even i who is very deep into honkaiverse lore don't jump into captainverse lore, captainverse have some influence to main story that true but i would deem it at really really small and it won't affect your mainstory understanding even if you don't know about captainverse
when an actual player watches the video. i couldn't write this big wall of text myself so props to you. he missed the point on a lot of things
@@jakeail1995 Fair point, though I just put addendum for interesting lore points like that Seele & Durandal's battlesuit teasers were teased through Captain's events, though those events were like way long ago before the pandemic lockdown even began lol
I swear captainverse is like rabbit hole within rabbit hole within rabbit hole of Mihoyo games, it's like the inner sanctum of the most obscure of gacha games lore, especially since even many of the fans of said observant to Captain events don't always catch many other events that debuted stuffs like Rita's wedding outfit debut where she danced with Captain during the game's 2nd anniversary (St Freya Fiesta event in late 2019), Himeko's wedding outfit debut (which was like both tragic and sick joke by Mihoyo to released it by few months after Final Lesson CG trailer release), Rita's Birthday CG and CN-exclusive Birthday CGs like when Bronya in skimpy outfit being so downbad for Captain in such lewd way back in 2019, that I'm not surprised that Blue Archive kinda ripped that angle for their own sections of huge gacha empire by a couple years later lol
when being a mihoyo fan wasn't weird
I miss those days bro. We used to be a civil community
Good times man when the only problem we have back then are the aggressive CN fans(rip bunny event). Now it's just every thing about the game they gonna complain and moan about.
The good ol' days
They were tho, just a different type of weird
When I could state that Kiana was my waifu and not worry about getting a headache of a reply from obsessive yuri shippers.
Bro I've played this game for almost 4 years now and I just learned TMB in stigmatas meant top middle and bottom😭
Nahh... No way, right? 😂💀
As apposed to tactical mango bomb
How?
Same LOL😂
How ._.
It's worth mentioning that the upgrade\progression has completely changed a bunch of times during the game's history.
To mention some examples:
1)materials for weapons upgrade used to came only from recicling other gacha weapon (now materials are farmable)
2)there used to be no way to farm any S rank valkyrie
3)at a certain point they stopped releasing story levels that require stamina and instead they make smaller "open world" where the story take place and they require no stamina (meaning that stamina is mostly used now for afk farming)
4)stigmata and weapong have become farmable including the sets for new character since part 2 has started.
Ancient Honkai was a weird creature.
Looking through HI3's list of weapons, artifacts, stories and items feels like an archeological excavation, because you find things related to a gamemode that you can't find because it doesn't exist anymore, or my personal favorite, an event timer in Chapter 11 which tells you the chapter's release event will end... 5 years ago.
you can farm some of the old ones through ancient willpower and legacy but it's not even worth it lol unless you are a collector
And yet newbies still mainly complain about the airplane dodge laser stage gameplay.
the wp materials used to be separate for each weapon of 4* and above, what a hell that time was
man honkai impact was my first gacha game back in 2018, those were the days
Unforntunately for me, this is my 3rd gacha game... my first games were valkyrie connect and E7 is the 2nd. I'm already deep in this rabbit hole
My first and still my favorite gacha. Mihoyo can't seem to replicate this magic again
@@hashimina_ it went downhill after honkai, and now I am studying jiggle physics in nikke
@@yet0another0account shame i stopped after soon after elysian realm I just lost the motivation to keep up with the meta and end game content
@@zackzaghria3473Based.
Honkai Impact 3rd Walked so the rest of Hoyoverse could run....
I'm so glad I got to experience it Beginning to End! (Or at least to Kiana's Storyline conclusion)
Also the Story Line theories made by the fandom before we knew as much lore as we do now, WAS INSANE. Dudu's reveal alone had years worth of speculation and I'm still shocked to this day we got a payoff...it was so fun to be part of the community!
21:50 Also I know you just play these for a month, so I'll forgive your mistake here, but they actually do go to 6-star (Pri Arms) once you achieve a high enough captain level.
yes the insane almost double the attack stats with huge multipliers
Just imagine if Honkai Impact3rd had the graphics and optimazation of star rail and a more open world from the begining.
Also I sub to you
10:34 without going into too many details, the welt in hsr is the same welt as hi3, despite it being a different universe or whatever it's considered
Alien space
i mean yeah him and otto literally go into an interdimensional rift sending them into another universe in the canon of honkai impact 3rd just before honkai star rail started haha. hopefully the new xianzhou arc in hsr shows more interaction between luocha and welt
@@nickh4354you mean Void Archives?
Yeah I noticed he was showing Welt Yang onscreen while describing Welt Joyce as well
Welt made a black hole and entered it lol
/s
10:40 To clarify this, honkai star rail IS a spin-off sequel but it doesn't take place in a different universe or multiverse, it's the exact same universe as honkai 3rd, it just takes place in different worlds/planets, realistically the astral express from star rail could land in the earth from honkai 3rd one day (which is kinda hinted by Welt if you talk to him in the express)
Me, still waiting for an explanation what does honkai the entity have to do with starrail universe, what's Welt doing there, and why this world has two Bronyas (Rand and Silverwolf) when every world can only have one:
That is were you’re wrong. Some minor people is on the belief that Honkai Star Rail is not another universe but a planet. The majority agree that Star Rail is another universe
@@lumear9533 its not another universe tho, its the same one
@@MrGshinobi They are part of the Honkai verse but Star Rail is another universe not planet
Oops I mean Mihiyo verse
Your Mandarin pronunciation is uncannily good.
His English accent sucks so bad
Yeah, we need an explanation now!
A few possible explanations:
1. He is a Chinese person who has lived in America his whole life, which is why he doesn't sound stereotypically Chinese but is/was around family members who speak mandarin at home
2. He practiced pronouncing mandarin before recording the VO for the video
3. He has studied mandarin and has some degree of fluency in it
4. Combination of the above three
@@WadeWontsonor you can also pick up the vernacular with ease. When I learn languages and people always say my pronunciation is always spot on, I genuinely wonder how people even have difficulties with it in the first place.
i've been playing for over 5 years. a lot of these systems are already condensed down a good bit. it used to be way worse. TwT I love this game, it's story, characters and gameplay so much I still play every day. part 2 definitely still needs time to really get good in my personal opinion
yeah but for new players, it'll still be a nightmare for them to even learning about those systems for like a month which i can tell you i left the game for 6 months and come back and it really slap on my face with how much systems is made
Just a list of the stuff that are wrong in the video (fortunately they are just easy-to-make misunderstandings):
Regarding Stamina: you can use Planeroids in order to farm more. However, the main way to get Planeroids is by failing to log in. Planeroids is a system that allows the player to lose out on less when they miss a few days.
Additionally, you can farm Asterite 20 times per week, and you get three quick farms per day. Past that, to quick farm, you do need booster tickers - but note how you don't need to spend any if you just log in every day.
Typically, the daily loop is to press the single button to quick farm all the material stages, then go to your dorm and send out valks on expeditions, and then spend any excess Stamina on the open world. You might get excess Stamina on Wednesday, because the open world resets on Monday, Thursday, and Saturday.
Additionally, on the gacha:
For the gear banners, Part 2 weapon banners have no 50/50, Part 1 weapon banners do. Part 2 stigmata are craftable, Part 1 stigmata often aren't. This, alongside powercreep, is why new players are highly advised to pull on Part 2 banners
This includes the starter banner.
Also fun fact, HI3 has almost exactly as many pulls per update as Genshin, so yeah, not the best
42:08 I'm not sure about Q-manifold, which is the "beginner" version of Abyss, but in Superstring Dimension, the one for players above Lv80 (btw it's optional to go above lv80, you can choose not to), you gain points when you are the top few, and lose points when you're the bottom few - a ranking system. It's easier to climb out of the lower ranks as you can get more points than usual.
I'll also note that Memorial Arena has an easy mode, so you can use outdated characters to farm it to get most, but not all, of the currency it offers
44:19 It did get one rerun. The outfits that don't get rerun are, to my knowledge, some of the early swimsuit skins, which were speculated to no longer rerun as psuedo-censorship.
While events do rerun... well...
The Captainverse is a series of event stories that are continuations of each other. It has concluded just before Part 2, and it is not known if they will ever be rerun. More annoyingly, if they ever do rerun, Sanguine Nights, the first and most important event in this series, never will. Because it's a permanent story in CN and only in CN
Something that i'd like to add is yes the average pulls is somewhat like Genshin ,being around 40-60 but its somewhat not as bad since the hard pity in genshin ins 180 while in honkai the hard pity for a character is 100, unless its a A rank or SP which is around 30. So yes it may not be as generous as HSR or other games, but its not as bad as genshin unless you want to roll for gears, which will make things a bit more complicated.
@@Cyboroso *> its not as bad as genshin unless you want to roll for gears*
The problem with HI3 is that you're basically required to roll for gears. There is simply no decent alternative, and on the rarest occasions there is (say, a signature set of G4 craftable stigmas for Sirin), you'd need to grind for half a year to craft it, and even if you can get away with craftable G4 stigmas, the only good weapon option would still be gacha-exclusive. Weapons are super important, besides outdoing the F2P options by 40% or something, there is more often than not a part of the character's kit or some major QoL locked behind the signature weapon. So, all in all, in this game you kinda cannot just pull a character, slap on her some F2P craftable weapon and stigmas, and expect the character to perform at least decently.
But overall, with the current part 2 gear banners, it's not as bad as it sounds like. It was really rough before that with the atrocious old gear banner system, but now it's manageable, and you can get new S-ranks and their full gear even slightly easier and more often than getting new 5-stars in Genshin. If we compare it to getting 5-stars with their signatures in Genshin, Genshin's not even close, but that's kind of a moot point, given that there the signature is not mandatory.
@@Warr1on Yes thats true you do lose lot alot on the sigs benefits but the game also offers alot for F2P like how memorial arena can offer buffs which helps outdated units so you can have decent clears or how there are some stigmatas that can perform decently with less resources ,or some stigmatas that can also work in other characters . It depends a bit more on the build , iirc building physical characters is the hardest due to crit rate and crit dmg and specially for building supports , with less f2p options as opposed to like ice DPS builds, where if you get ana shariac stigs you are good to go which are grindy but not the worst compared to g4s and etc , usually in hi3rd you are recommend to only try to get the SIG weapon for the main dps unit, and to invest more on her for stigmatas later, for elysian realm , for part 1 characters that is, part 2 really stepped up for better ease and the stigmatas grind do inded need a revamp, its not as bad to farm for g1 stigmatas and maybe g2 ,but anything beyond that specially g4 is insanely grindy.
All and all hi3rd can be very difficult for resource managing even for how most gachas go but for characters and for part 2 gears and units atleast its not the worst
@@byeguyssry except every new character REQUIRES their weapons so you need to pull 140 times per patch and every patch gives 70-80 pulls and they release S ranks back to back now without Sp rank in the middles.
The gacha is so much worse than before
@@Warr1on LMFAOOO dude u need 140 pulls to gurantee S rank and weapon and every patch gives 70-80 pulls. Getting a 5 star in genshin is magnitudes easier lmao
A few things I would like to point out that havent been properly adressed and or incorrect.
Story:
-The universe for Honkai Impact 3 doesn't exist inside the Sea of Quanta, it exists within the Imaginary Tree, they are essentially two mediums for worlds to exist in in this hoyoverse.
-Part 1 characters haven't been dropped. minor spoilers, they DO appear in part 2 and will appear more frequently in the future as its focusing on the new cast.
Gacha:
-Originally units cost 300 pulls to guarantee them being fully built (100 for character, 200 for weapon and stigmata), when part 2 dropped it cost that in half (90 for character, 60 for weapon as stigmata are craftable).
Outfits:
-There are mainly three kinds of outfits. Freebie outfits, Paid outfits and Gacha outfits. Besides summer outfits, free outfits return periodically via a shop called Homu's Treasury for Asterite, a common material. Paid outfits often return via the same shop as well for B-Chips (paid currency) or after a certain amount of reruns for Special Outfit Coupons (gained through rare events or B-Chips) and they also become permanent after said point usually. Gacha outfits (5* outfits) always appear only via gacha supplies that happen very rarely, the outfit for Fu Hua in the FOMO section is such an outfit, it DID rerun I believe twice, during summer and will rerun next patch as well (this information is known through the CN schedule)
There are a few more things that I missed, people make mistakes so its perfectly fine to make them, no hate all love I enjoyed the video
The Imaginary Tree itself is the core of the Sea of Quanta, Gacha weapons are typically guaranteed within 30 pulls since the addition of the Herrscher of Thunder also.
@@Vanity0666 imaginary tree isn't core of sea of quanta, it's the practical opposite and the story describes them as two forces fighting against each other. Imaginary tree is where all thriving universes exists where sea of quanta is where worlds separated from imaginary tree meet their end
44:20 The data in the wiki is outdated at parts. For outfits these generally always have reruns. The only exceptions are 2 things: Some battle pass outfits, which are just recolors and never actually unique outfits, are just available there. And secondly, there are some 6 year old summer outfits that were banned in china and removed from the game because of a controversy that involved politics. They decided to leave these outfits in the western version of the game because those were only banned in cn, but they chose to still never rerun those again, because cn players tend to get very outraged when players outside of cn get something they don't have. There was a whole different controversy later when the western version got somethign exclusive for an anniversary and things got so bad, that they actively had to take down and remove the anniversary content for the west and compensate the cn players.
They made new summer skins for all versions to replace those banned skins and this is also the skins that you saw in the shop for crystals at the moment. So yeah, this had nothing to do with fomo or game design, they couldn't really do anything about it back then.
The pity system for the stigmata is the "Wishing Well" button on each equipment banner, which lets you turn in dupes in exchange for the stigmata you're missing. The equipment banner in Honkai Impact is the most frustrating part of it overall though, imo. Many characters feel functionally incomplete without their signature weapon since a skill is tied to each one, making the equipment banner essentially mandatory. Genshin massively improved on this, and Star Rail made it basically perfect imo. But back in 2016 all Gachas were shit, basically, so compared to its launch peers HI3 was massively better at least, and I understand why they have all the monetization considering how deeply they had to go into the hole to develop this insanely ambitious project for the time, and why they've stepped back from that with their later games because they're less insecure.
edit: learning from the other comments that my complaint about the equipment gacha has been at least partially addressed by Part 2. Huh. I stopped playing at the end of Part 1, I was in it for the story, very satisfied with that story and its ending, and moved on to Star Rail after. Though I am sometimes tempted to come back.
Surprised you didn't mention how gay Honkai Impact is. One of the defining features of the "Honkaiverse" is that like 90% of characters are gay and the rest are bi, and that's pretty much explicit. It's peak is Houkai Gakuen 2, but Honkai Impact 3rd still introduces Mei with Kiana being extremely excited to be "reunited with my Mei!" she says, as she spouts heart icons from her head. The overall course of the plot is heavily influenced by their romance as well, such as Mei's determination to save her "most important person in the world" during the Herrscher of the Void arch, and most of what comes after. Also Elysian Realm, which is basically a whole side lesbian romance between Mei and Elysia (aka Lesbian Jesus) as a rebound when she and Kiana are taking a break at a certain point in the plot lol. Considering the global public image of China and its treatment of queer topics, Honkai being so unambiguously homosexual at every turn is one of its most notable and daring features imo, just as daring as going 3d in 2016. Honkai Impact's popularity in Japan (you know they love their mobile games there, HI3 was absolutely HUGE in Japan) even influenced the yuri boom, and you can see character archetypes pulled from Honkai and used for yuribait all over Japanese media today.
Thank God they fixed at least that in part 2 .
We went from 200 pulls to get full set(at worst case) to 60 for an entire set.
That's a significant change.
@Jetsetlemming why are you soo pent up about characters being bi 💀 like you want some sort of digital girlfriend??
@@yddyhrxhtfxgfhxtfh3986???
SP characters originally were all captainverse characters or from other gamemodes like open world, but towards the end of part 1 they just gave this to every new A-rank character, that they released. Before part 2, they usually alternated between a patch with a new 4-star character, everyone get farm for free from the get go with no gacha required, and a new Srank character you needed to gacha for. Was pretty generous as you had basicly 2 whole patches worth of time to save up for a new gacha character. Part 2 changed this to releasing a new Srank gacha char every patch, but in exchange they made most of the gear craftable and way easier to obtain.
yeah but kinda nah... those sp when turned into insane supports wanted their stigmatas so bad. wasn't at the times for haxxor and fischl, but i really felt it when parfo came around.
it wasn't alternating between freebie/s rank, it was character+gear/just gear in my experience
@@cornflour I kinda skipped most SP character gear in order to be able to gacha gear the Srank dps chars every 2 patches and played older support instead I had 4/4 geared. Like instead of pardo and later shigure kira, I played haxxor and later truth herrscher as supports for ice dps. Then over time I got sushang and pardo gear as off-rate items in gear baners, battle pass or firepower supply. I played HoS and starlit teri phy support all the way until prometheus dropped and I kinda completely skipped bleed meta until adult teri. You just can't build everything as f2p, but it was good enough to consistenly agony 3 with occasional trips to redlotus.
@@LucyKosaki haha and here was me doing the opposite, failing to chase supports...
@@cornflour SP units should've never existed and Augment Cores where the way to go, old units became relevant in story and viable meta picks, Drive Kometa had a HUGE impact back in the day, Drive Kometa and Night Squire were THE duo
bit of lore stuff
Anti Enthropy (AE) was not created by Otto, it was by Welt
and Kiana's dad didnt die fighting sirin the 2nd herrcher
In fact, Kiana rescued her dad from the kaslana stigma space
@@Blizzardshotyea both of them
It's ok, 30 days isn't enough for him to go through all of those. Have to admit this video is a 8/10 for overall review HI3 as a hold😅
Hey now, it's understandable for him to have some misunderstanding about the game, he only has a month to process all this after all😅😂
@@Phantomunknown indeed, therefore there is no malice, just a bit of correction is all
I'll be honest, Honkai Impact is primarily a story game, and the story itself beats everything HoYo has ever done up to this day, except for GGZ, but GGZ is 2D and isn't accessible on Global anymore. And the animations we used to get in Part 1 of HI3 were simply superb, rivaling top-tier anime studios like Ufotable in terms of quality. The story is the best thing about Honkai Impact, and if anything, play the story. Besides, completing Part 1 will give you an amount of crystals sufficient to get at least one full team with full gear. So you can have some fun in end-game GMs if you want to.
Remember world history for high school: 👎
Remembering the story for 6 gacha games: 🧠💯
@@4g3nt06 Good thing my school years are behind me. I had history in university, though, and I wish it was HI3 story instead :D
@@4g3nt06 Study time vs Mihoyo game lore
bro is actually smoking crack
Rivalling Ufotable is way too much glazing😂
Hi3 is a mess of endless menus and farm, but when you get customed to it the gameplay is amazing (under all the epilepsy party). I used to play until a few years ago and then made a new acc when part 2 launched, it's still a breath of fresh air
I had to quit cause I needed storage for hsr😢
@@milanesadearsenico "Gameplay" you mean stellar burst spam? Thats the entire gameplay of part 2
@@kyarumomochi5146 has Part 2 gotten that bad? I mainly quit due to a genuine disinterest in it overall (the main trio their designs were nauseatingly bad, adopting the open world chapters for some reason) and the overall progress of constant S-rank with no breaks
@@ohama4272 it hasnt, you literally cant spam astral burst its literally impossible to build it up THAT fast. teams have two rotations now, a stellar burst and off stellar burst rotations, you need to learn both for optimal gameplay... idk what that other guy is wafflin about.
@@hyperactivy9178 Every single team has the same play style lmfao
"Captain on bridge" man that brings back so many memories playing it
Part 2 doesn't have 0 relations to part 1. We got a story at the end of part 1, where the new part 2 characters trained under the part 1 characters and occasionally part 1chars will keep appearing in part 2, like Ai-chan, Susannah or Vita already did. We already got a new Theresa design for part 2, too.
Honkai players trying not to spoil the story challenge: Impossible
@@dZ0dUd3Routsiders trying out hi3rd for more than one day: also impossible
@@LucyKosaki wich sucks ass. Part 2 is a litteral nerf to the game
Part 1 does have relation with part 2 if you were paying attention to the story. The Honkai dev team confirmed that Vita will play a big role in the story of part 2.
@@dZ0dUd3RIt's not a spoiler when it's literally in Livestream
the strongest rivals of today: Wuwa and Genshin
vs the strongest rivals of the past: Honkai 3rd and Punishing Gray Raven
Meanwhile azur lane vs arknights
@@kallenlivesmatter3229 One horny and the other melancholic
Nice seeing sameone giving it honest reviev and not judging on first 6 story chapters from 2016
Nah they made false accusations about the story
@@yddyhrxhtfxgfhxtfh3986 its just using the wrong thing to explain the story which is understandable because how confusing this game Lore is when talking about world building
This video was a treat to see as a long time captain. I am so sorry for the amount of nonsense currencies that we have and glad that you can at least enjoy the story.
Now I'm waiting for you to do a PGR review
I swear, if he gives it anything lower than an 8/10...
@@Otherface that’ll probably depend on how far he makes it into the story…
All things being equal this practically is the PGR review.
@@roman-uu7db I'm afraid pgr is a better gacha than this. A lot of systems in pgr is miles better and has a lot of quality of life
@@leoster44 I know. I'm making a joke about the similarities of the basic structure, particularly the combat, not a commentary on their relative quality. Two games can have the same basic structure and one can still be better than the other.
Holy shit marinfold look so different compared to few years ago.
They changed like a hundred thing now meanwhile the late game abyss for 81-85 still the same
i still remember picking the game up last year just looking to enjoy a cool story and see what the game has to offer... now it's been so long and this game has made me cry so many times, it's very close to my heart :')
The progression is what killed this one for me. When I realized it was going to take me months upon months to build a single character that would be outclassed by the time they were finished was a huge bummer. Cool story and gameplay but the time sink was too high for me.
There's no pvp..it's not needed
Ah yes honkai impact 3rd my beloved it, dropped it after playing for 3 years straight, after part 1 ended i had no interest to continue playing, yet it's one of the best experiences i've had playing a gacha game, it's the only gacha game that made me care about the story and characters and had me shedding real tears at the things that happen in the story (i still have goosebumps thinking about some of the cutscenes), the game may have some flaws like a terrible gacha system and issues with how they present the story, but the combat and the great characters more than make up for it, it's a really underrated game that deserves a lot more attention.
In regards to FOMO, there's the Promare collab costumes you can't buy anymore, the Evangelion collab costumes you can't buy anymore and the entire character Asuka and her accompanying weapon and stigmata you also can't get anymore (They made brandless options in case you pulled Asuka during the EVA collab but didn't get her equipment)
As someone who started playing in like 2018 in the SEA server and went from f2p to light spender to occasional whale back to f2p now… i really hateeee how the late game modes are designed to accomodate powercreep and when combined with how expensive newer characters are… its really reallyyyy predatory… its crucial to note that obviously the meta only applies to competitive players and back when i was one i used to retain in nirvana rank (the highest rank for abyss) i had full geared S0 valks and i had to WHALE for them just because they are soo fucking expensive costing me around 200 sgd every new S rank in TOPUPS alongside dailies and the monthly pass and the battle pass that i used to fully keep up with… yet the skill expression gradually died and now the meta has become soo much more cut throat where ranks are the only thing that give you an edge over other players umm in hsr terms imagine an e0 character being able to do better than an e2 character because the e0 player spent time speed tuning and optimising rotations etc? Yeah that really no longer exists in late game honkai impact… we used to mix and match stigmata to make alternate builds and i can forgive that characters need their signature weapons bc rmb weapons have a 4 star rarity by default unlike genshin weapons and hsr light cones… but omfg now u need both weapon and the full stigmata set for a character to excel especially in part 2… (although some modern characters can function wuthiut their stigmata lunar vow i love you but im never getting your stigmata lol) i think the cutthroat yet expensive nature of the meta started during the release of the herrscher trio and its really only gotten worse in part 2 omfg as someone who LOVESSS honkai impact part 1 to death i really have no objections to part 2 characters and the lore bc i think change is good (like elysian realm was soo hated on when first released and now everyone loves elysia) BUT THEY literally cannot get away with how predatory they have become …. Back to back limited S ranks 4 patches in a row?? Yeah they have never been so blatant about their greed…. In part 1 new s rank patches would be separated by patches with only new SP or A ranks or a farmable S rank to reduce the pressure on the crystal economy but omfg they have iust gone so fucking crazy in part 2… and the astral op system is soo fucking crazy also because its a system where you NEED to pull for teams to flow well if not there will be huge problems in the rotation… what the fuck mihoyo?? And yeah around after the time i got the herrscher trio i stopped spending money on this game… i do come back to play it every few days to play abyss because i truly love the combat and gameplay but i cannot afford to continue being a competitive player and i refuse to let them get away with this like i will not contribute to its normalisation… if you are a new player wanting to get into honkai impact pls dont go into competitive play…. Just stay casual dont get sucked into the rabbithole…. And if you need a strong team just get senadina from part 2 she has a fully functional team with 2 other part 2 A ranks ok and then use ur other cyrstals for whoever the fuck you want dont let mihoyo bait you with the thrill of compeitive play the cost is not worth it …
lmaoo as a veteran hi3 player, listening to that whole materials/resources section really made me realize how fucking insane and confusing this must all be to newbie players im so sorry yall 💀😭
I played Honkai Impact 3rd for 6 years, I loved the game but the fomo of each patch was killing me, as someone who each day has less time in his hands it is really hard to keep up with all the content of Honkai 3rd and the farming, so I took advantage that the OG story ended to left the game, I was a hardcore player with all the S rank valkiries and their gear to the last S rank Fu Hua from the 1.5 chapter, but I can't keep up with the game anymore too much shit to do, too much Fomo, I have played Elden Ring since then and my main ER character is a Kiana cosplay with an arcane build, in that regard she look more like Alpha from PGR but whatever :P
listening to listing out the materials made me think on how the hell did I manage to understand them in 2020??
Try 2016 when they have billion mats. I also have no idea how i managed to understand what they do and how to get them
@@theunknowman12 I vividly remember playing during 2016 and the old UI was really something
The gacha system of this game is ATROCIOUS but i would like to calrify that the real late game starts after reaching level 80 since the memorial arena and abyss kinda get changed and it becomes harder but in return it gives way more crystals and warshop materials. For example if you clear Redlotus in abyss you get 500 crystals every clear no matter what spot you get aslong you dont get demoted so you can get 1k crystals every week so if you combine the elysian realm and that you can get 6k crystals a month id say. You do need atleast 1 meta team to do that though which does require investment that is why this game is so punishing but i was able to get it after 3 months of playing this game so it is doable id say
At worst case scenario hi3rd gacha system is statistically better than most gacha systems.
That includes every other hoyo game and even surprisingly wuwa and zzz.
That guaranteed s rank saving them from being worse than fgo
Womp womp learn how to save up and do events
Actually false, there is no 50/50 on character banner.
Meaning it is better.
Also Events give you a lot more crystals.
So the gacha system is not bad in reality.
And it may actually be on you, just saying.
Hi3 has a good gacha system compared to other gacha games.
@@kallenlivesmatter3229I don't think 50 pulls a month is better than HSR's 90/110 pulls per patch or WuWa's literal free 5*....but you do you
@@therealestsparkleWhat are you talking about, HI3 events barely rewarding
2 weeks long event only give you like 200-400 crystals basically only 1 pull
80% of your funds came from ER and Abyss only
0:02 AVENTURINE APPEARANCE
also fun fact! they used miku for a few songs :D
WHAT WHERE WHEN WICH HUH AAA WICH SONGS?!?!? I'VE BEEN PLAYING HI3 FOR ONE YEAR NOW AND NEVER I HAVE EVER HEARD A MIKU SONG!!! HDAJFDASLKAFDJK
@@lilli4222 i think it was in their houkai gakuen 2 (ggz) game
@@lilli4222"Lament of the fallen" use a Miku song.
@@nathanael9159U mean diva of disruptive world from ggz?
@@nathanael9159it’s called diva of disruptive world in ggz
John Honkai is up there with Thomas Ladder.
13:02 Correction: There is a relation. In fact, they spoil the ending of Part 1. If reading this after the temporary rewards for playing Part 2 story goes away, I would heavily recommend not reading Part 2 until you've finished Part 1. Part 2 is also disliked for its excessive jargon that it only exacerbated by not reading Part 1 first, though it does get better.
It is still easier to limit break SP valkyries on release, as the game will throw at you a lot of the required fragments through limited time events, which is equivalent to like 1 month of farming.
@@AevyChIt was barely enough to make them S rank. It takes months to make those SP ranks A rank to SSS. Even now at SS I need 400 fragments to make them SSS, you only get 50 per week guaranteed. So I need 9 weeks to make them SSS.
@@cakegood you absolutely never need to get any character to SSS, lol. The SP units are pretty much all very good supporter or sub-dps characters, and they get 90% of their value at just S rank, and 99% at SS. This exponentially reduces the actual "required" grind, you can get an SP character without any events helping to S rank in like two weeks.
Regarding the death situation, it's at least not like the game never did anything with her after that. You couldn't expierence it because it was entirely though a 6-year long series of event stories, but there was a captainverse alternate universe, which is a whole other rabbit hole to go into. It is basicly a connected story told in a non-linear way, where you as the captain are an actual active character (unlike the main story) and you are diving into different alternate worlds. Through this they could use characters that have died in new ways or release new imaginations of characters as new playable characters, even when the mainstory currently didn't feature a notable new character. Captainverse was truly a wild ride. There was one in particular, featuring Kongming (an alternative version of theresa), that actually made me cry. It was more tragic and had so much more deaths than the main story ever had. They put alot of effort into developing the captainverse and it had a huge climax and after story between the end of part 1 and the start of part 2. I remember when Genshin released, they kept rerunning most of the older captainverse event stories, so all the new players could properly get into it.
It's kinda sad that all this content now is only available through story recordings online.
I've been playing HI3rd for about a year almost everyday and I completely agree it's 7/10. However, this game has one, humongous problem - it's extremely addicting. This game gives you a lot of free stuff and MiHoYo makes it, to keep you in front of monitor the longest they can. I'm playing it almost everyday not 'cause I want to, I'm just afraid to miss rewards for even single day. In previous patch, I've been scared that I won't make it in time and I'll miss free Herrscher of Origin (I'm F2P, didn't spend a cent on this game), what would be huge loss for me. Just for one week of playing middle-level endgame content + any event, I get around 2000 crystals. Missing it, I'm loosing almost entire 10 pull. In any different gacha game, like: WuWa, Genshin, Star Rail, etc. I never was that afraid of loosing daily, than in HI3rd, what shows how evil are these mechanichs here.
44:45 Open world modes or elysian realm were never event-only. They were always designed to be permanent game modes. We just got some bonus rewards for when they launched, but they always do this with main story and other new content too.
Yup there are bonus reward for permanent content when it drops for the old player or new player that are curious
It's crazy seeing how far this game has come just from how the characters played. Like you went from Kiana doing simple 1-2 combos, to straight up air combos and gimmicks that completely change how you play the game.
Cant wait for the ZZZ Gacha review
He said he doesn't review newer games like ZZZ or Wuthering waves because they haven't been out long enough.
Best I recall, I think the elysian realm roguelike mode was the first of its kind to end up in a gacha game, it was definitely the first of the hoyo games, but afaik roguelike modes started showing up in other gachas after elysian realm did it.
Also the focus supplies are the old part 1 system, while the equipment supply is the new part 2 system. part 2 stigmatas can be crafted, and the crafting material can be obtained by salvaging extra part 2 stigmata you dont need, at a rate of 2 salvaged stigmata -> 1 crafted stigmata.
I gave up on HI3 when part 2 dropped, I just couldn't get into the story anymore and powercreep was really annoying for doing weeklies/half-weeklies. I have over 1.8k logins into the game and I don't think I'll comeback to this game anytime soon (also this game required over 30GB of space on my phone and my phone has only 128GB :/ (I play other games and HI3 was taking a lot of space))
As a once avid fan of hoyo, I've played HI3, Genshin and HSR on day 1, and oddly enough HI3 is the one game I've never had any major issues as a long-term player, it has good endgame content with the abyss, elysian realm and abyss, with events that 'borrow' gameplay loops of other popular games such as plants vs zombies, stardew valley and even clash royal just to name a few. Genshin we all already know is awful in terms of actual content to keep old players engaged, and even HSR feels quite miserable during filler patches, but if I were to recommend any of their games to new players, HI3 will forever sit at the bottom of the list for new player experience, yet I can see myself playing HI3 daily until its shutdown.
Oh how much i love HI3, No matter what it will always have a special place in my heart
BUT it still came from an small Studio and DOES show its age heavily
Not really, considering is far better than ZZZ which just came out and from the same studio with x1000000 more money.
@ahejleira5654 bro shut up people can have opinions as well. Plus zzz is just another expy cause all of the characters in zzz just stole playstyles from honkai impact which is unoriginal and lazy so shut up before speaking your atrocious opinion
@@ahejleira5654 I will tell you that ZZZ if compared to HI3 that ZZZ WINS every metric
ZZZ Does everything in HI3 better, it is a FACT
Stigmata Gacha is a Shitty mechanic, there is no disputing it THAT is why in further games there is only Character and their Sigs
Frankly speaking, the ZZZ hate came from Pro Hoyo haters, Pro ARPG haters or Shitting on it because their Favorite CCs says it is bad
@@cringyusernamesbsvqq1909 I have to disagree with the stigmata part. I'd take it over farming for artifact/relic/drive disc anytime
This was a great review! HI3 is one of my favorite games, so I'm really happy to hear you interested in more of the story. You're in for a treat.
The game parry system is very similar to Bayonetta's "which time". I think it was a big inspiration to the gameplay and game overall
The opening mission is exactly like bayonetta
@@jyab150 If you're talking about that fighter jet mission we saw here, Bayonetta 2 to be exact.
I recently quit after almost 1800 login days.. part 2 just wasnt it for me especially after the disaster that was "part 1.5"
Still have very fond memories of the game tho, it was a part of my life for a very long time
Hi, veteran player here (since 2018, just got my 2100 login days check lmao)
1st of all, pretty good review, it was pretty on point most of the time.
I still want to add my piece
1st of all : you confused between Sea of Quanta & Imaginary Tree. It's traveling between branches of the IT that we can go to another world of the Honkaiverse, not SoQ
Now about gacha... it was way worse before. It was 100 pull guarantee (still 100%) not 90 and the gear supply was the same as the focused supply you explained, it was hard xD With part 2 we gained 10 pull less for character guarantee and for part 2 gear supply, the guarantee only applies for weapon, so we went from 300 max max pulls to 150 (and the 1st character multi is 50% cheaper).
Now, at the start of a new version, we get one free stigmata of the version character and all stigmatas of part 2 characters are farmable, only the weapon is gacha only (even if crafting one stigmata can be costly).
B-chips... yeah worst thing ever, they don't even have the (get more by paying more, whatever the pack you buy, it's still 1:1 ratio). And yeah, even crystals are expensive. Most games have an average 30$ the multi and give 5-6 rolls with the highest priced pack (100$-120$). Honkai, with the same price, we get 5 rolls and 2.5 multis. It's too much...
Now about the income, it depend of much you play and how well you perform but with many weekly (or bi-weekly) rotating game mode, you can stack a lot pretty fast, even as an early player. As a veteran player, I get effortlessly 1650 crystals with ER, Abysse & MA.
But yeah, the powercreep is real, and it's been non stop since the early days. But it's not as bad as it seems. The powercreep mostly come with abyss weather & MA bosses, giving advantage to a valk or type they want, making people wanting to roll the last valk.
Supports character are really powerful when full gear and can make lot of old DPS character shine, even compete with latest DPSs.
And for lantern case per exemple, she powercreep HoF Kiana who came in 5.0, and we're in 7.5, Thelema (7.4) powercreep Bronya HoR (3.3) and those old character are still usable and powerful
Sry it's a bit long haha
Personally my favorite of the 4 miHoYo games I've played, the lore got me to try HSR, but I ended up bouncing off(of Hi3) due to the immense amount of content to catch up on as a new player. I only barely touched it on launch, but that first level running on my phone definitely left an impression on me.
Mihoyo has some interesting plans in play for their next games:
- a farming game they proto-tested as the 'Captain's Ranch Tale' event in _HI3_ and;
- an open world MMORPG they've started to hire for.
People really liked 'Captain's Ranch Tale.' I just wonder how they could monetize that. Not like they can make it yet another gacha. Right? As for the MMORPG, it would seem that _Tower of Fantasy_ was just a little ahead of its time to compete with Mihoyo's entry. Oh well.
I feel so nostalgic, great and partial review as always. Keep it up. o7
its a shame that in 2024 such a small percentage of western hoyo fans have experienced this story. i almost feel like theres a stigma and some people event resent it for all the callbacks it gets accross their other titles
It’s mainly due to the annoying Genshin fandom
good review agree with most stuff. I no longer play this game much after completing part 1 story. I am now trying other mihoyo games
8:36 Otto did not make Anti Entropy, it was the United states branch
bro i spit out water the moment you show the entire bakery and THAT infamous 'line' at 22:13. Such a gigachad.
Welt Yang from Honkai Star Rail is literally the same guy, the 1st Herrscher, from Honkai Impact.
15:00 Never let her go... :(
1st? I am pretty sure Welt Yang is the 2nd Herrscher of Reason, the other Welt is the 1st.
Welt is the second herrscher of Reason.
someone, especially you Psychie, talking about gacha games, their history, mechanics etc. just tingles something in my brain. Am I autistic? Amazing video as always.
I am a medium weeb. I consume a lot of anime content, but I am picky and usually do look for consistency and depth in writing. Ironically, as much as many might disagree, I found a lot of the game's plot to be built on sand, not really solidifying the tempo of the story, and it felt like they kept chucking story beats at the wall to see what sticks. The plot became too wrapped up in its own terminology, bound with sub par localisation, it often felt like it was almost there, but not quite.
And yet, I kept playing the game. Hearing the main theme is easily one of the best and nost nostalgic feelings contained in one tune. Seeing Kiana depart on the train and witnessing the culmination of years of development in the trio aacending was truly emotional and I will likely never forget how it felt.
They did something really impressive and it can only be seen after you trudge through some sludge, but it's absolutely worth it.
I was excited for part 2, however I found the story to be facing the issues that bothered me the most about the game in the first place, and dropped it.
It really feels like the game ended when Kiana boarded the train.
Fr 😢
Underrated channel, subscribed for sure! (Quality content and i can clearly see the work and effort put out, and the personal jokes and thoughts that i find refreshing while watching!)
The Hua outfit has actually had reruns, the wiki information for a lot of the game is just outdated or outright wrong. It reran around last fall, and is getting another rerun in the next patch again
YES, Ive been waiting for this
The madlad actually rattled off (accurately) ALL the currencies in Hi3. Da Wei should give you like a scholarship prize or something.
Hi3 is like that slightly hipster cafe with long history whose staff are so snooty that they'd rather you don't throw your cash at them because the amount you were prepared to shell out is too pathetic for their image. The crystal economy is also front loaded in that it's pretty easy to farm a few (Almost 10-ish, which is halfway to the pity, if you'd recall) thousand crystals upon return after a hiatus but once you run out, you might as well take another hiatus unless you really, REALLY like the Elysian Realm (Which is valid because I used to play it just for fun). I wish they would at least adjust their pricing scheme closer to their later games (which already isn't affordable in my book).
The time frames you are looking at with this game is measured in months or weeks in order to farm up a single character at level cap unless you super-whale. This alone puts it in a strange af niche because the game simply won't let you indulge your instant gratification. Like a stern parent.
Applause to you for reviewing this game, its not easy to review old games like this since the game has live for so long there has been a bunch of change and "improvement" that at the time look like a good thing but now you look back at it and start thinking "yeah that was dumb"
Even for day 1 player, they will still get overwhelmed by the amount of currency this game has, left alone new player, and the worst part this is AFTER they remove like 10+ other currency back in the day (yeah it was worst). But again, at that time, it was very common for gacha game to do this, its just so happen that HI3rd get it worst because they keep making new game mode every 6 or 8 months, each comes with their own currency, which result on how much "checklist" you need to do nowaday
This is actually quite common on other old games, like azure lane, arknight, etc, but the thing is HI3rd is just so ambitious that they make a new mode twice as much as other (not to mention the game has gone through 2 full overhauls, each comes with huge change to the whole item economy) and while other game try to simplified it, HI3rd just keep doing it till today
Another thing that might surprise you when you review older game is that how bad they price their "value pack" and gems. Again back then the whole concept of these kind of gacha game were not exist yet, so they literally did a shot in the dark with the price, and the bad part? Once you have set the price, you can't change it. Think about it, lets say back then 10 pull cost you 40 dollars, what would happen if you later on change it to 30 dollars and make better value pack? People will not like it, the result..... Battle pass..... Yes, those predatory monetization that they make exist because they have no other way on making better value pack, hell they even try to make something called "B Chips", which is like the same as gems but can only be used on different shop, think about it, a gacha with 2 PAID CURRENCY. Obviously like you said what they did is bad regardless of the circumstances, so just think of it like a fun fact.
And if you wondered what would happen if they never make a new pack? Look no further than fgo..... 9 years for JP, 7 year for NA. Ever since the game release never make new pack whatsoever, never change their pricing, and the only thing you can bought in the game is literally just raw SQ (gem) as is, no material, no bs, just pure gems. The economic of the game? There are no daily mission, only weekly, what you get from weekly mission? 3 SQ..... Oh btw 3 sq is 1 pull.... Login bonus? Sure they have that, if you keep login consecutively you can get additional 4 sq + 1 summon tickets. For a whopping total of 7 sq + 1 tix each week (basically 3 pulls + 1sq leftover). Pity is 900 sq btw and reset every banner (pity also only apply to 1st copy, if you want dupes you need to go in with no protection) And the best part? You miss a single day and these login reset back to day 1, so you need to make sure to keep login every day, thats not the end, lets say they celebrate something like a new anime or big event with special login campaign, if you ever lost a single day of login, THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN IS GONE, so in that game you only really had 1 job and 1 job only, never miss a login (this is why when they have that 24 hours maintenance incident it became a huge deal in the community). Im not trying to defend HI3rd here, i just want to warn you how much a wild west these old gacha games can get
Now that i think about it, FGO and HI3rd is like the exact opposite in term of how the game progress. While HI3rd keep making brand new game mode and introduce new system that overload the game every year, FGO did..... Literally nothing. The amount of QoL and gameplay update in that game is very minimal, in fact the very first gameplay update in fgo happen in 3rd year anniversary (command code) and then 6th year anniversary (append skill) and then 7th year (Mighty chain ) and 8th year (class skill tree). You can tell they start making change nowaday, but it still hilarious how both side went to completely different route to the extreme which result on both game biggest flaw
I was waiting for this and first of all I want to mention that it is a really nice review, like you can see that you went pretty deep into the history and looked up many things to make it comprehensive. But I just wished you would've gotten in touch with someone who plays this for a long time (I think I also offered to review the script in the comments under a different video like a month ago), because there are some things that are wrong or you seem to have misunderstood (I dont blame you, the game can be really confusing, especially with the resource and banner systems). Also I would've loved to give some insights into the endgame, because Q-Manifold is not the endgame mode. It is just for levels 1-80 to have a mode, where you can scale your progression against, like see how you well you are building your characters and stuff. For levels 81+ the mode gets permanently replaced by something different called Superstring Dimension, which has only 4 stages. Btw. those modes are not 3 times per week, it is just twice.
Also I think it should be important to note that unlike Hoyo's later games, the difficulty of both Q-Manifold and Superstring Dimension adjust towards your previous clearing times. So if it was too easy for you, it will be harder next time. And if your gear or your skill isnt there yet, it puts you into an easier tier. With this system, you can work on your builds and your skills on your own pace without the bad feeling of failing to clear the content every cycle.
the thumbnail still as awesome as ever
when u started talking bout the currencies i actually started laughing i never realized theres THAT many
Cant wait to see you get to the end of the story. This story was probably my favorite one out of all the gacha games I played T_T
this is such a nostalgia, my first job, my first paycheck. I bought a decent phone compared to my potato that can only play toram and fgo. I saw my guildmate in my mmo play this and i tried to install, instantly blew up by the fact you can play 3d action game in a freakin phone. Not to mention all the otaku stuff and reference make it clear this is the game for my KIND. In facebook the group discussion usually goes around the lore, the waifu praise, and gacha salt. Nobody's complained about no representation, nobody's complained about ship wars. Constant fanservice post and nobody's cried about character being too sexy
Truly a based fan base❤
Otto wasnt in Anti entropy. He was an oversear of schicksal
It didnt cost life of both of her parents (2000 herrscher of the void)
Chinese version is one month ahead. Not patch.
21:11 Depends... if you mean the characters right now it is true however sometimes there are released S rank characters that are farmable and any A rank is farmable however they might have stopped releasing A rank characters.
About the battlepass... I have played this game for 4,5 years and never thought anything bad about battlepass, never was tempted to buy it but Im 100% free to play in all games so maybe its because of that but in my opinion its mostly bcs I can get all important stuff free to play.
Btw the currency system has been simplified a lot... There used to be many more currencies and I loved it however they fused multiple into one.
32:28 WHAT? As a 100% free to play Im pulling every new character with full gear. And im not being lucky. You get over 22000+ crystals each patch. Just from superstring dimension 1040 crystals every week elysian realm another 500 and so many more in small doses in other events, dailies and modes.
33:25 You get so many stigmatas + they are craftable and you get a box each update with a new free stigmata to choose. Theres like 14% chancce for stigmata. I have never pulled a weapon in part 2 and not having all of 3 stigmatas since we only need to get 2 different stigmatas and 3rd is from the free box.
34:50 Its really not bad... Since every 10 pull is top tier gear... Imagine if you were getting 5* weapon every 10 pulls guaranteed in genshin impact. Would that be not worth pulling there? In part 1 I used to skip one banner to get the upcoming character fully geared so it really wasnt that bad. + this part 1 banner was undoubtly the most fun banner to pull on. Every stigmata and weapon sign was so exciting :D Im a bit sad its not in part 2 but atleast in part 2 I get to pull every new character with full gear.
35:17 The beginner banner is not worth. You dont know exactly what character youll get and its not the newest character and there is a constant powercreep in Honkai impact 3rd. Its not like one year old battlesuit would be unusable. Even 2+ years old battlesuits are best on certain stages but they will be powercrept sooner and dont have as much dmg as the newest. (For some people it might sound confusing that the newer characters are stronger but didnt powercreep them... Many characters even 3 years old are really well usable since there is so many specifics to the battlesuit which might be really great for different bosses. For example, you have newest fire bio dps which can attack pretty fast and 2 years old fire psy dps which can apply ignite and you have a boss which is is mech fire vulnerable and has a shield that can be destroyed by ignite. The 2 year old battlesuit will be much better bcs of countering type Psy>Mech and the fact that it can apply ignite to destroy boss shield. Different boss might have a shield that is destroyed after 100 hits and obviously youll want a battlesuit with really fast attacks to achieve score as highest as you can.)
In memorial arena you dont move in bracket. You are just compared with all of other players of the similar level for example 81-88 and based on your ranking you get the rewards however you dont move in bracket.
Overall I really liked your video and for a 30 days only player you know quite a lot. The only thing Ill really disagree with is the gacha and F2P friendliness. As I have already mentioned Im 100% free to play player and I can get every new battlesuit fully geared free to play and be in the Nirvana (Top rank of Superstring dimension - abyss like mode). I am sad that you gave this only 7/10 - the same score for for example tower of fantasy but I believe your opinion will change to better the more you play and the more you get into the amazing story since Honkai Impact 3rd is the best gacha game in my opinion for endgame players.
Fun fact
The reason why the starting chapters were kinda funky when compared to the manga was because they were debating whether they want to keep a similar storyline as GGZ or continue as a different tale
Fair to say, it went similarly and ended differently
Also, SD isn’t a part 2 thing. It’s a part 1.5 or after part one but still not far off the finality and origin arc
Also, the material system rant was both funny and… a pain…
I remember getting into the game like 6 months ago and… man I was lost
Thank once again for the review, Man this is a game that for a reason or another it just didn't click with me but always curious to came back, and the story of MiHoYo is very interesting and inspiring.
I remember trying Honkai Impact three times over the years and each time I was never able to get past the beginning for the same reasons:
- Confusing and unintuitive interface
- So many different types of currencies that I didn't even know what to farm
- Mediocre Story and Gameplay for the entire first part of the game (I understand that it gets better later but I need some part of the game to be decent right away to make me want to continue)
- Almost all the playable characters are just variations of the same 4 characters
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the game is bad but the experience for new players is HORRIBLE and it's no wonder they had to revamp everything from scratch with Honkai Impact 2
Funny thing part 2 didn't really change anything that much .
They just reskinned most things with a slight change in the loadout and that's it.
It's easy af to get the new characters and their gear what are you crying about and just cause they made a new story (sure they made some mistakes) it did improve over time so just stop whining on the surface level of the pt 2 story
@@yddyhrxhtfxgfhxtfh3986 bruh they only improved the gacha system.
Part 2 is supposed to be a new beginning for new players.
Which new player is going through part 1 interface paired with genshin like progression and moon arc levels of writing?
@@kallenlivesmatter3229 honestly they give tons of rewards as a starter and also it's their choice on which story to progress on
@@yddyhrxhtfxgfhxtfh3986 those rewards are important for vets not newbies.
They won't even know how that's useful
A game that gatekeeps itself, truly 10/10 for me
Wrong, the community. The game wants more players for more money.
u know that player doesn't have to getkeep hi3 because hoyoverse themselves gatekeeps hi3 yeah every game wants new player and money that's why they tried to made part 2 but new player leaved because of chapter 1 of part 2 being confusing and slow but boy part 2 picked in chapter 3. @@cakegood
wrong, i actually invite players to try hi3 whenever possible but they quit halfway or just get turned off after tutorial its just how it is nowadays, hi3 has horrible new player experience, how many famous content creators tried hi3 and stayed till endgame like lvl 88? im willing to bet 1/10 or even 0.5/10, game gatekeeps itself theres like a handful of content creators thats doing nirvana abyss runs that barely gets 200 views and u see low effort content made from genshin or hsr and get like 20k average its just how it is, why would u cover a game that wont make u money by making content out of it..
@@gats4784
1. Content creators aren't a good source as they don't play usually because they just want the money.
So they go for the more popular games.
2. Wtf, no 💀
@@himalkanwar77?????
2:16 "Fly me to the Moon" sure can be an Eva reference but its basal referential material is from musician and vocalist Frank Sinatra's song: "Fly Me to the Moon".
I started as well recently in 2024, and i have to say im in love with the game. For my reason, its a breath of fresh air and it has a new gameplay style that ive never played.
From a standpoint like yours in this video, i personally would rate Honkai Impact 3rd a measly 5/10.
Characters rely on their sgnature gear, and the lower grade gears have near none impact on valkyrie performance, somewhat similair to stigmata, newer gears are tailor made for specific characters lowering the usability of those pieces, and with AGAIN, the lower grade stigmatas have insignificant impact on important valkyries, including support valkyries.
The resource management with Honkai Shards, phase shifters and other materials is ludicrous, unless you mapped out every single thing, you're either going to be short of these materials, or time locked away from these materials if you've already expended some of your materials on other valkyries.
Certain banners like the begginer banner is actually very bad in 7.5, sporting Herrscher of Rebirth/Flamescion, these valkyries are very useful in later content, but they are mandatory to have their full gear and a specific team to perform at a reasonable level. And with crystals being relatively "sparse" or you could say not easily recoverable makes all the more those valkyries quite terrible for begginers, as building teams for those valkyries is unbelievablely expensive.
The saving grace about the combat is that the tutorial is really useful and it allows you to practice with your own tempo. Bosses and enemies dont have such a huge spike in difficulty, and valkyries arent inherently hard to understand/use in combat.
Thats what I would personally like to add on.
The hate towards part 2 isn’t because it’s generally bad. It’s because the hate Is from a bunch of OG players who are mad to see their favorite game change. Imagine you’ve been playing a game for over 7 YEARS! and it has literally become a chapter of your life, and you got to see the characters grow up as you grew up yourself. And then the company starts changing multiple parts of the game, and putting a bunch of characters you know nothing about in. We as humans don’t like change, and will usually have a bias to what we used to do. Example, how every generation hates the one that comes after it. So those players just hate the fact the game changed, not part 2 itself.
33:30 that is not true. All those stigmata pieces can also be crafted, you dont need to gacha for them at all. The only gacha-only gear you need to pull for is the weapon. Note that this is only true for part 2 onwards characters and banners. Part 1 banners worked differently and for fairness reasons, part 1 reruns still feature the old system, which is what you noticed when you showed the focussed supply. Here you have to get the signature stigmata through banners, BUT there is a system to exchange 2 duplicates for a piece of your choice (Wishing Well button), so here too you are not forced to keep pulling till you got each piece at least once.
solid review and I agree with a lot of the points. i'd be pretty interested to see you cover PGR if you decide to do so in the future, imo they are seen as quite similar to outsiders it would be cool to hear what you think after playing
This series is really cool, honestly I personally want to see one of these videos for Arknights, a really interesting tower defence which probably won’t happen but one can only dream
For people that are just story and lore enjoyers that want to know about honkaiverse, maybe after playing HSR, the game is worth trying to play story only modes. After playing HSR, Genshin and other gachas, Hi3’s gameplay and systems are really unappealing that i refused to interact with anything excluding important story, good thing that it doesn’t require built characters.
So, if you really value interesting, convoluted and dramatic anime story or you’ve played hsr and now you want answers to some lore questions and origins of that universe you should consider trying it.
Finally Psy review the og game😂😭
Good review from my experience!
As for some other details:
Farming in this game is such a deep rabbit hole that i just only stick to the stuff for weapons, stigmata, dorm and war treasury.
The part 2 farming stuff is fairly simple its just genshin artifacts with some flowers being exp bottles for them and the red crystal being money for buying in part 2 shops(which you can also buy artifacts from) or lvling. Getting the ability to farm like once a day which like doesn't matter much cuz you dont rly need to care much for the artifacts here just lvl whatever looks good.
As for the gacha generosity while they arent as generous (unless you do all of the content for the version for said bonus limited timed gems) they do frequently give like a free 5 star like every other version, usually old units that can still perform well. You also have war treasury which like idk the currency is easy to get from events or the game's version of abyss for me but its also a slow grind sometimes.
the herrscher of sentience outfit did get a rerun, im not sure when but i remember it returning like early this year or something
Welcome, Pseychie to the Heartbreaking world that is Whatever the Hell Kiana Kaslana ends up involved in, have fun!
This is an honest question to those who play these gacha games. No shilling. No grifting. No beef. I'm not being rhetorical this is an honest to god question from a place of deep curiosity.
Why do you play this and how do you enjoy it?
I've tried them, a huge amount of them, trying to find the joy. HSR, HI3rd, Genshin, PGR, Brave Exvius, FFMobius, FEH, Dragalia, SinOAlice, Nier:Reincarnation.
I would have played Granblue if it wasn't so annoying to emulate at the time and Arknights just looks intimidating.
My main takeaway every time is, that all of the potential is squandered by it's free to play model. It constantly grinds at my FOMO with exclusive banners that only appear every few months to a year with few if any ways of actually getting the characters you want, and even after that you are also at the mercy of rng to make them usable due to limit break/awakening mechanics that require multiple dupes or expensive materials to unlock at uncertain rates.
And that's when the gameplay is fun. Other times, I just find myself button mashing mindlessly until the game suddenly decides I'm not strong enough to progress so I have to just, grind more. Stages are glorified stat checks.
I have yet to find a single one of these where I didn't think "Yeah, this game would be a thousand times better if it was just a single 60 dollar purchase with DLC"
That is all MY opinion of course, which brings me back to the question, what do the common audience for these games, the ones who come back every month to grind away, find enjoyable of them? Even in the reviews most if not all of them clarify that, yes, you can get by as F2P, but 90% of the experience will be endless grinding for 30 different resources and currencies until, at some point many years down the line you might actually reach endgame, in which you'll be thoroughly outclassed by whales anyway.
Anyway, I've yapped enough, if I got something wrong feel free to correct down there, I really just wanna know.
It’s mainly from weebs that are sick and tired of the AAA churn, so they go to mobile fantasy gambling rpgs instead, especially since everyone are on their phones everyday.
holy shit ive been waiting for this
You make the BEST gacha videos. Keep. It. Up!
I really liked this review and think that you were completely fair on a few points, one of them being the many resources that exist in HI3 (Trust me, this has been a complaint within the community for a long time, and it actually used to be worse). However, some things I'd like to note:
1. In terms of character progression, there are a few characters that you pointed out with the SP marking. All of those characters are free and are able to be bought from the shops using in game currency, and for those who play the game regularly, it is very easy to get a multitude of good free characters, and upgrade them to higher ranks. Although this isn't able to keep up perfectly with the powercreep, it is a very easy way for new players to get access to pretty decent characters, some of whom are actually used in team comps today
2. I agree on your point that the rate you get pulls is fair, however, it's also worth noting that in general, it does not take as many pulls to get an S rank and their weapon and stigmatas than you would expect. Unless you are truly unlucky, pulling is fine. It's also very easy to look ahead in terms of banners, as there are many resources out there where you can find future banners for global servers, as CN is ahead of the global servers by a fair bit. As such, you can easily find info on future characters and plan your pulls accordingly. Also for duplicate stigmatas, if you have 1T, 3M, 0B, unless it was changed, you are able to combine two stigmatas of the same name into a different stigmata type (T, M, B) using the forge. That way if you got something like the example above, you can combine 2Ms and change them into a B, granting you a full set.
3. Yeah many of the monetization systems are very predatory, thankfully there are resources out there that can help a player do more cost effective spending, one of them being in the HI3 discord server.
4. In terms of late game content, I really hoped you would have done a little more digging, as the true endgame is actually quite fun. In the memorial arena, the higher bracket you are and the higher level the boss is, the boss will get more complicated and way more interesting to fight. Looking at your footage you were still very early game, which means you would have missed out on the more interesting fights, which, as you pointed out, is not very unavoidable.
5. For the story section, for the one month you gave yourself, I hoped that you would have been further in the story, as with its current 40+ chapters, you're still pretty early in the story, which I won't hold against you as there are a lot of things in this game and you weren't solely focusing on the story. You mentioned at the end that you might play through the HI3 story casually, and I highly recommend you do so, as you've barely scratched the surface on how rich the story is.
I kind of hope that you'll do a review of HI3 again later on, after you've gotten more experience with the story and a bit more with the mechanics, as the new player experience is definitely an overload.
I loved honkai imapct, sadly I already played the whole game and I'm not planing on coming back, but still I love it's story and lore
Honestly respect to you. I appreciate people like you that quit and appreciate the game for what it was. Instead of being bitter and doomposting every new content because they don't like it anymore
I would say this game is like a patchwork of different ideas and experiments that span over the years . Each story arc has different UI, their own currencies and minigames etc. Some people find it confusing
As for stamina and resources once you reach Exalted tier ( there are different tiers of player levels. 1-69 is Elite, 70-80 is masters and 81-88 is Exalted) those tiers drasticaly change the game. Like only Elites have Q manifold, Masters and Exalted have Superstring abyss and it has only 4 floors with one being just the boss . It resets twice a week. Not three times and rewards get higher with lvl. An usual player at Exalted sits between Agony and Red lotus tier and this gives between 500 and 520 crystals per cycle. Highest rank has only 20 crystals more and it's not worth unless you are hyperinvested veteran or iust whale.
As for powercreep i think its necessary. This game has a lot of niches and people will use bis to score better. I think that's its ultimate flaw and Hoyo knows it thats why they really stray away from any competitivenes on their newer titles.
Powercreep also just makes it easier to decide. Just pull for whats new. Part 2 is slowly hut surely replacing all Part 1 niches and they will fade away. Its not really an issue if you arent very competitive.
Also on Exalted you just do all resource farming dailies with one press of a button and you should never farm exp materials or whatever. You can just buy them in coin shop, events shops and witch orb shop. An veteran would never run out of resources. You get more of them than possible characters that are in the game atm. Personaly i sit at like 20 billion gold and i havent hit the cap yet 😂.
As for gacha. This game actually used to be very generous because they didnt release S rank every patch. It was every 2 patches which gave players enough time to save up even for pity.
I played this game since Global release and i own all characters just buying monthly card and BP. BP is also very different than other Hoyo gachas because as you mentioned it has 5 star weapons and characters there. Tho those characters are outdated because Part 2.
Unfortunately with Part 2 Mihoyo went dark route with new S rank every patch. Its what Hoyo thinks their pkayers are used to but Hi3 players absolutely hate that. That's one of biggest flaws of Part 2.
We are not really sure what they cooking because they are changing the schedule and are trying to move it to usual Hoyo schedule so they just release 3 main story chapters then some interlude . They putting all new S ranks on main story and we are hoping they would give us a break on Interlude in 7.7 .
Yeah also something you havent touched on FOMO is that they rerun characters very often . Sometimes like 2 nd patch or patch right after. Thelema came out in 7.4 and they rerun her already in 7.5 . Lantern in 7.5 and they will rerun ehr on 7.6 Its something very different from other Hoyo games that rerun them once every 6 months or year.
Game also often just hands out S rank selector or other freebie. This year we got 3 free S ranks already. Its something you wont see often in other Hoyo games.
Also the stigmata in part 2 is much easier to get. You only need 2 pieces because they give you selector box with every new character now. And while you pulling for weapon you are sure to get whole set and a lot of dupes. 3-4 stigmas per 10 pull isnt uncommon.
That's biggest change of part 2.
Part 1 stigma banners are absolute scam and should not be pulled by any new player. They will soon be outdated anyway by Part 2 dominance.
Also there are some forgotten menus in game that you might have not discovered for year of playing like Challenges menu that is so hidden in profile and it has some new player missions and rewards. They just forgot 😂
Also my personal thought about the changes they did with new S rank every patch is that its corporation and they worry about the bottom line. Those patches of break they gave us were usually low revenue so if you look at their past charts it jumps up and down and for a corporation in 2024 it was unacceptable.
Also rhey might be trying to "program" players to more of the other Hoyo game mindset that they cannot have everything. Hi3 raised itself an extremaly entitled player base that expects to have everything. In HSR 2 5 stars every patch arent big deal because people just go for their favorites but in Hi3 its huge issue for community because they alvays try to be the best and want to have everything.
It ultimately comes back to the competitve content of the game which is again something i hope they fix.
It's quite easy to fix. Just remove crystal reward difference on Rankings and give everyone same reward for participating.
It already works in Memorial Arena where you get most rewards for beating the boss. Being in higher rank gives you slightly more ancient legacy which is really not that needed unless you are a collector and want to just buy every oldwr character and rank them up to max. You really dont need to buy them because as I mentioned they often just give you those as a handout. Personaly i own every character that is in the memorial arena shop on SSS that is equivalent to C6 in Genshin. And you really dont need them. It's more of a collection thing.
Also for event skins you mentioned. They rerun them in time capsule shop and they cost 30 k asterite .
Idk why they decided to rerun only the swimsuit ones for crystals but maybe they more desirable because off course swimsuits. Duh
I think hoyo should lowered the price of pull to 2000 just like dorm ofcourse it won't solve every but it would definitely help
@@himalkanwar77 I don't think that changes much. Hoyo just needs to release more A ranks so people have some cope options and they also need to release more characters overall that do same things but not necessarily absolutely dump each other. That would give players more options and the desire to have everything wouldn't be motivated behind wanting more crystals.
Also as I mentioned rework Abyss
only for the back to back S ranks part, i thought it was worse for competitive players back then since they really don't want to skip those sp valk's equipments on release for the 30 pulls guarantee and just how important those valks (fully geared) in their team.
video 7 of asking psy to review guardian tales: looking back at the early characters with all their glorious jank and comparing to the characters being released is such a fulfilling journey