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- CNN aviation analyst Miles O'Brien breaks down what stood out to him in new videos obtained by CNN of the midair collision near Washington’s Reagan National Airport between an American Airlines plane and an Army helicopter. #CNN #News
Whether the helicopter was higher or lower, most people don't seem to realize the main culprit which is right in front of their eyes. The big question here is WHY a military helicopter was conducting "routine" flight training under visual flight rules directly in the final approach path of one the busiest, most condensed airports in the nation. This is just baffling and insane. Whoever planned and approved these training missions needs to be held accountable.
I agree.
Well said. None of us need to be pilots or experts in the field to identify major errors and who is responsible. Denial much.
Not at all unusual. At Newark airport they launch helicopters through the approach path every day.
@@savagecubThen best they quit doing that in the interest of commercial airline safety.
Ever watched Ironman? When a military aircraft goes down, “training exercise” is usually the cover story.
So, if the ATC is stressed with not having the personnel which is no fault of their own, why would the military do training exercises there to put a greater load on the already stressed workers?
An air traffic control supervisor in the tower at Reagan National let a controller end their shift early, a source familiar with the investigation confirmed to NBC News. That left one controller to handle both plane and helicopter traffic in the area, which is allowed under FAA regulations but not typical for that time of day at Reagan
I doubt the military inquires about the current staff levels immediately before every training flight. Not realistic to expect. More reasonable for ATC to broadcast a traffic restriction in the region to keep their load manageable, if they need to.
Exactly. Theres a slight reluctance to outright implicate military incompetence. Isnt it all very obvious?
Because the pilot was a girl boss.
@@JakeBaker-q1p Like no male ever botched. What BS. I rode with more than one scary white male aircraft commander in Vietnam, walked or ran away from the smoking/flaming piles of rubble they created. Your chauvinism is incredible and ignorant.
The helicopter was not where it was supposed to be. Period.
Oh but this distraction WAS in the right location. Covering the guided missile.
I agree. Why so much military in the area? I don’t know why.
Yup, my guess is the helo pilots were using the night vision gear and failed to notice their altitude creeping up 100 feet.
Helicopters fault imo. 1000%
It doesn't matter whether or not helicopter pilot saw any planes or not!
Helicopter pilot broke the rules.
Who's this guy in the blue shirt that suggests potential mechanical problems would cause the helicopter to climb higher? If you're having any problems in a copter, you wanna get safely on the ground ASAP......not climb higher!
Why on earth is only 200 feet of vertical separation permitted at all??? That's insanity!
@@Milesco It's not 200 feet vertical seperation. The helicopters were limited to 200 feet for the routes they used. This area was the equivalent of a railroad crossing. The jetliners have the right of way at all times. It is painfully obvious the the Blackhawk crew never acquired the CRJ visually as inbound traffic. They were supposed hold for inbound traffic.
They were at 325 ft and the Helo’s ceiling was 200 ft
@will7724 If this was a "railroad crossing," the helicopter wasn't supposed to be at a railroad crossing. It should have been on the road under the railroad bridge.
@@Bob-en1ge 🤔Bob ole boy...I think you might be on to something.
And in peacetime. What in the heck is the military doing at night and in a major civilian flight path.
Retired airline Captain and former Army pilot here.. I like Miles but his analysis is flawed. Even if the helicopter was at 200 feet the helicopter would still have conflicted with a normal 3 degree glide path to the runway. The crash would likely have have occurred as low as 150 AGL. The crash occurred over the river and the eastern bank of the river is just a 3300 feet (half a mile) from the end of the runway. A 3 degree glide path would only put an airliner about 150-200 AGL at the point. If runway 33 landing are in effect then the helicopter route simply needs to be shut down.
The procedure is flawed. Being below 200' would still present a collision hazard due to the close proximity to the runway.
UR Right ✅️ But if at The Time Both Flying machines CRashed HeadON into EachOther, if at That Time The Helicopter was 200Feet Below Then The Big JumboJet SHall Have Safely CRossed That DangerZone and will Have Evaded The Helicopter 🚁
However Looking at multiple angles, it Looks Like The military 🪖 ARMED Helicopter 🚁 Had Got A LockON its Target and Then instead of Firing missiles Directly Banged Her Head onto The Commercial AirPLane ✈️ Head, Leading into The FireBall Explosion,
There must Have Been Bombs 💣 on Board The Helicopter 🚁 THat Explains Why A Simple Collision 💥 Resulted in Such A Big FireBall!
Totally agree, no crossing with a descending pathway. Read my remarks.
@@santoshsivaramkrish WOW! That's some hard-core ignorance there... good thing you're not making the rules.
@@santoshsivaramkrishThe collision was not head-on.
so You think he was looking at wrong plane ?
The military helicopter should not be allowed anywhere near passenger airspace!
Do you want them to be flying the route thru that area for the first time when there's an emergency and top generals are inside? The military trains every day.
Exactly 💯
They have the need to as security and for patrol of the nation's capital.
@@DuaneHallinSD Clearly they didnt train well enough! And there was no national security emergency.
After this it will be a no fly zone for choppers. Should never have happened.
So sad-; To all Victims Families & Loved Ones Condolences 🇨🇦🙏 Prayers are with all in there’s times..!
The Black Hawk was responsible for the collision due to:
1. Flying above the height limit,
2. Flying outside the designated zone,
3. Failing to look out for the commercial aircraft directly in front of it.
4. The pilot is a woman.
@@DRJEBP IS THE PILOT A WOMAN IN LIPSTICK? WHAT COUNTRY?
@@DRJEBPHey DRCREEP what the F does that have to do with anything? The second pilot was a male. During visual all are responsible. My god some people have politic craziness for brains.
@@DRJEBP PILOT WAS A WHITE MALE HOW STIPID ARE YOU???
@@DRJEBP TOO MUCH LIPSTICK IN HIGH PLACES. WHY DO WOMEN HAVE TO STICK THEIR NOSE IN MANLY THINGS AND TAKE ON ANOTHER WOMAN CALLING HER YOUR WIFE HOW SILLY IS THAT? GO SIT DOWN SOMEWHERE PUT ON A DRSSS AND ACT LIKE A LADY.
ban military flights near commercial airports
Not possible…I’m a pilot and I’m based at a joint military/civil airport. We share the field with the military quite harmoniously. There is no way you could ever pass a law like that. It would be economically disastrous for certain areas for essentially no statistical safety benefit
Yes the only way to avoid another accident.GOD BLESS
@@manifestgtr don't care economically. ban. now
It didn't happen because it was a military craft, it happened because the flight controller and the particular pilot both failed.
Ya think?
Regardless of whether the helicopter had climbed to 300 feet, instead of staying at its required (as per the procedure) height of 200 feet, there is no way that the helicopter should have been allowed by the controller to cross beneath the flight path of the jet at a height of only 100 feet below.
From my point of view, the helicopter should have NEVER been in that segment of airspace in the first place, that would have put it in conflict with the final approach path of the jet.
The is either a controller error to have allowed the helicopter to be anywhere near the jet's flight path, or, the procedures that allow low level helicopter ops at 200 feet are flawed.
I fully agree with you. Whoever set up the system allowing helis to fly 100 feet from the jetliner was crazy. Heads should roll.
Its hard to understand how the heli pilot didn't see the airliner.
Have you ever tried on night vision goggles?
@@chrisp8116 Bunch of geniuses in the military, huh? "Let's fly in a very crowded airspace with googles that don't allow us to see well".
Probably laughing with his buddies at how cool the AI flight controls were.
Perhaps they were busy blowing eachother
@@johnc3525 agree stupidity by the military but none of this happens if you have an adequate controller
The media would rather blame overworked ATC person doing their job than some military pilot effing up and flying at the wrong altitude.
Accidents are never ONE single cause… this was an accumulation of several factors, don’t you think they should address. ALL possible factors to prevent future similar incidents ?
Arc 90% fault. Didn’t give chopper the plane position, direction. And did not give the as flight any info in the chopper
@@whartoniteyou're clearly myopic. Atc in the initial call gave all the pertinent info to the Blackhawk about the planes location and altitude. Atc did a typical and reasonable job. Pilot error is to blame here.
@@whartonitestop typing clueless stuff. ATC gave them instructions about CRJ position 2 times. Get a brain
The 600 pound gorilla in the room. There should have been 2 ATC controllers on duty that night but the supervisor let one go home early. That supervisor CAUSED this crash. You had one controller in charge of all departures for BOTH runways, all arrivals at BOTH runways AND all helicopter traffic on a night where training exercises were under way. What sort of moron do you have to be to think it's ok to send one controller home early.....
This was definitely pilot error on the part of the black hawk.
No. Air traffic controllers failed to communicate TWO jets in the vicinity. BH may have seen the other one and missed the closer one because of the angle.
@@pippalewisNYC⬆️
ATC should have ordered BH to get out of that flight path instead of asking whether they see the RJ. I blame ATC.
The air traffic controller did alert the black hawk twice but there was no response from the black hawk so even if he told them to take another route there would have been no response
I would think if the Blackhawk pilot was familiar with the congested airspace he would have been more vigilant of multiple aircraft and not focused on 1 single aircraft.
Helicopter was full speed ahead and the passenger plane was 100% visible from the helicopter. Period.
You don’t know that unless you were inside the helicopter.
Wonder if the helo crew saw the plane right before impact? or just blammo, instant nothing.
Jet coming from the left at 150mph at night. Another aircraft ahead that could be mistaken as the aircraft to avoid.
I don't see this as cut and dry avoidable. I see this as a perfect storm. If NVG's were being used, the tunnel vision and lack of depth perception adds to the perfect storm.
@sgtg the helicopter was at fault period end of sentence. The incoming passenger plane has full priority to land and the helicopter pilot was at almost double the mandated altitude.
The CRJ was lit up like the sun in front of them and the helo never flinched. Helo totally at fault. Two low hour pilots were distracted and F’d up.
On a training mission, the Blackhawk helicopter was 150 to 200 feet higher than it should have been. Alerted to the presence of air traffic, the helicopter pilot identified the wrong plane to avoid and made no attempt to evade the plane they crashed into.
So someone failed to communicate there were two planes. Once again it comes down to miscommunication.
@@pippalewisNYC 🤦🏾♀️
Very fishy. Possibly an intentional attack? 😢
@@pippalewisNYCNo. The helicopter was at an altitude not assigned to its flightroute. He should have corrected its altitude.
Really? An intentional attack?
The ATC DID tell the helo how far out the plane was, what model it was, that it was landing, and that it would be runway 33… AND he asked the Helo TWICE and they affirmed TWICE that they had eyes on it. 😒
And even if they DIDN’T see the correct plane, if they’d have been flying at 200’ or lower, as required, it wouldn’t have happened.
ATC told Helo it was a CRJ landing runway 33 on the 1st call
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I don't disagree. The last slice of cheese defense for the CRJ was the military route's altitude restrictions. It appears at this early date; the Helo busted the alt restrictions as well as losing visual separation and not reporting the loss. I don't believe Helo crew confused a single target landing 33 with landing/trailing traffic 01. Airspace design however, where circle-to-land runway 33 requires landing traffic to disregard RA's, while flying 100' above a military air route flown by training Helos on NVG's at night-- watch VAS's newest video -- is to some degree: Stupid, so at fault as well.
@MisterRubbertoe
That is just not good enough. The tower should have ordered evasive action, end of. That is the whole part of their job!
No wonder Trump talks about DEI. He is not the only one!
Why didn't ATC just tell them to get the hell down to 200 feet??? If they're at correct altitude everybody lives. Relying on visual separation in this scenario was way too relaxed. At BEST it would have been a frighteningly close call.
Impossible to believe that the helicopter pilots did not see straight in front of them to notice that they were flying straight into the possible path of a JET.... a freaking jet, not a tiny handglider...and what about all.the sophisticated anti collision warning systems that are supposed to be a common tech in all these military machines? Did they turn it all off? Were they surfing the web on their phones? Unreal!
If there were any pilots on board I agree😮
No wonder why they failed in Afghanistan !😂
@@user1qaz2wsx3edc that's on whoever was actually running America behind bumbling Biden
Whoever was actually running America behind Joe Biden in the shadows is responsible for that debacle
Once again Afghanistan failure was due to the Democrats who were in charge
Almost every news outlet and interviews have completely dropped the ball on listening to the entire atc convo, he gave specific details for that crj to the helo pilot earlier on.
a air controller for helicopters clocked out early leaving only one controller do deal with the plane and helicopter when two were required to deal with both . . bad management .
Where can one find a source for documentation of this information? I’ve heard no such thing aside from in this comment
bad management but was it the cause?
ATC was very specific tho. Tower said "PAT 25, traffic just south of the Woodrow Bridge, CRJ , it’s 1200 feet setting up for runway 33." How else u want it to be more specific. They acknowledge and requested visual separation. You are showing the second time Tower was confirming to make sure they see the jet. Media at its finest. Just cropped out the first part and try to cover up the military's pilots fault coz it was a military helicopter??
The controller didnt update the helo of the runway change. That is definitely a factor.
@@mayTK And the ATC has more to do, this happens daily and he was doing 2 jobs. He asked twice when the warning came. But he could have told them to stop or the AA to abort landing and climb, but yeah... It's hard and let's wait for the outcome.
@@dlaird8 In the transmission above, the ATC explicitly names the runway - 33 - which the plane was descending to. Maybe read the comment before making an idiotic reply.
@@ARetiredPirate If the helicopter was at a max 200' as required, there would not have been a collision. I doubt that radar is accurate enough to discern between 200 and 350', nor that the controller has the capacity to factor that in on the fly.
@@dlaird8 33 was the updated runway.
Military flight training base located so close to civilian airport just doesn't make sense. It is a tragic decision at the top..
Happens every day, all over the world.
@@MikeTheGreekL104no it doesn’t. I’ve flown as crew for over 20 years. I have NEVER seen anything like this. There are airfields specifically for training military . Absolute nonsense
@ I agree with you for the training part. Civilian and military airfields though, are co-located in most parts of the world.
The helicopter pilot is the responsible for all the deaths.
So the pilot flew over 200 feet....did anyone else notice....did you hear a voice say you are too fu#$ing high....big problem
Suicide mission?
There might have been something wrong with their equipment. The reading apparently said 200 ft.
@@catg5105wrong! Pilots have excellent eyes and awareness due to extensive training unless….
3 deadly incidents in 1 month, New Orleans, Las Vegas, and now D.C, and all 3 involve Military Personnel
🎯
Thats what I was thinking 🤔
You think this was a suicide?
Do not blame the military as a whole!! New Orleans was a Army veteran that acted as a terrorist . Las Vegas Green Beret veteran issue is something you have to findout on Shawn Ryan's podcast . As far as the Blackhawk Collision . The Blackhawk pilots always wear night vision goggles when piloting at night. Lets make that clear..
Freedom, etc. because of the military. You’re f’ing welcome! 🤦🏻♀️
Thx for info 😊
Stop making excuses for the f*ck up of the helicopter 🚁
It’s an accident you clueless mook
Agree!
me too
So just throw some blame and close the case? That doesn't solve anything. The point is to keep it from happening again.
Agree 100% with your comment.
One need only look closely at the helicopter charts, particularly with an overlay of the ADSB data/Radar track to determine that the helicopter was not following the shoreline as depicted on the published assigned route. In fact, if you look very closely at radar tracking, the helicopter appears to make a right hand correction actually turning towards the airliner, instead of the proper left hand correction which would lead it back towards the shoreline and well behind the descending jet. Look at how bright the landing light is on the jet; there’s no way the helicopter could have not seen that airplane, particularly in the moment leading up to the crash, as they were almost head on staring at a 300,000 candlepower landing light before the jet turned in front of them, as it was expected to do. I’m speculating that night vision goggles, staring straight into that bright light may have had something to do with the helicopters failure to correct and probably more importantly failure to recognize the closer rate as their depth perception may have been affected. I have seen dozens. Comments of those with history of NVG use, and every one of them says it’s insane to be using those in that type of environment. 40 years retired major airline captain here. The controller did nothing wrong and neither did the regional jet. The helicopter like so many of said was off The published route and it was off altitude. Perhaps they did have some kind of mechanical problem or sudden, fire, warning, etc., that distracted them and at those closure rates, there was obviously no room to spare.
There is something missing.
Finally, a good post.
They possibly thought they would just cut in front not knowing how close this jet was.
I did read somewhere that there was a request by the Helo to land prior to this...why ?
There was no way on earth they could have missed those lights....it lit up the river . Did they freeze or did the pilot not hear the copilot and ATC discussions.
If you’ve been on one of these passenger planes, then you know someone on that plane saw the helicopter coming 😢
Nope. They probably didn’t see it coming
Jesus 😢
@@AC-te9dr Of course they would have! one side of the place was facing the helo, anyone sitting on that side looking out of the window may have seen it coming.
For sure----even feeling the helicopters power and hearing the sounds of the rotation of the blades right outside your window. 😪
@@debbiejames3096 The helo was approaching from below at an angle, since the airliner was descending, and the nose of the plane was upwards, for the descend. They may had not seen the helo until the last few yards.
The helicopter twice told the controller that they had the aircraft in sight and twice requested visual separation. Meaning, they would take responsibility for visual separation from the CRJ. If they were not certain of seeing the CRJ , they needed to let the controller know that.
Controller: PAT25, traffic just south of the Woodrow Bridge, a CRJ, it's 1200 feet setting up for runway 33."
Helicopter: "PAT25 has the aircraft in sight, request visual separation."
Controller: "PAT25 do you have the aircraft in sight?" (to double-check that the helicopter was seeing the CRJ)
Helicopter: "PAT25 has the aircraft in sight, request visual separation."
Thank you for posting.
There were 2 planes. They saw the wrong plane..the one behind them ...not the one in front that they hit
The help pilot requested visual separation twice, but the tower noticed they was still heading towards the plane. The tower should have said to them once they heard the pilot say the plane was behind them, that no it’s in front of you, to make sure they was actually seeing the correct plane. In the audio, you can clearly the helicopter say “yes, it’s behind us”. This was preventable.
The ATC radar playback confirms beyond any doubt that the helicopter went above it's max authorized altitude.
no margin for error; WHY? is it really THAT important to have helicopters fly in the flight path of commercial airliners???
Elon is to blame, getting people sacked to save pennies when billions are given for free to Israel
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Yes.
No it is not.
@@cobeeble
Please don't be an idiot!
if they want to kill themselves that is one thing but to be killing others is totally unacceptable.
Quit framing it as its the planes fault.
CNN kissed trumps ring so doing as they are told.
Why?
The plane was landing!
It doesn’t matter you mook. It’s an accident.
IFR vs VFR. Pilot error on the part of the helo is the only possible outcome of this.
@danaace5899 ATC was not at fault. Helicopter was flying an assigned route for choppers in DC airspace. The chopper went above the maximum altitude for that part of the route (200ft - heli went to about 300ft when it hit the CRJ). FAA assign published routes, not ATC. Controller was also apparently working 2 stations at once, and at least TWICE he informed the helicopter of the CRJ. Chopper pilot in both instances said he HAD THE TRAFFIC IN SIGHT and requested visual separation and ATC accepted. If ATC are guilty of anything, it's not ensuring the chopper crew were talking about the CRJ they collided with when they said they had the traffic in sight. They may have been talking about another aircraft close by. Despite all that, the chopper should never have busted their altitude. They should have stayed at 200ft.
My eyes are seeing a helicopter deliberately broadside a passenger jet in mid-air.
Because you're a conspiracy theorist.
It didnt flinch at all, not even at the last second, surely it saw the plane last second
@@guest6423it looked that way to me as well… they said no evasive action was taken on the helicopters part…. Why is it conspiracy theory??….
Agreed 💯
@@guest6423so make it illegal then.
Helicopters have no business being in that airspace.
Just like when a car is driving in the wrong lane, its no accident when they hit another car , this isnt accident either !
Lets see..... the end of January flying weapon... military pilots... catastrophe...... the beginning of January driving weapon ... ex-military plowing into people in the French Qtr New Orleans........ ok got it.........
It can be lol maybe the driver is unconscious
If a BH pilot can't quickly clear a mammoth sized domestic plane, how well can national defense secure our safety?
They may not have seen it above them in a cockpit with restricted view angles.
Don't do drugs ...
i found it also weird. that a Military heli didnt do anything but go right straight against the aircraft
it might be on purpose
@@ruthp3237
Since when does the Military care about citizen safety ??? We are, in the worst scenario, collateral damage ...
Get the helicopters out of the way of commercial aircraft
PERIOD!
Apparently, the helicopter route has been shut down permanently
@@eleanormassaro5195no, indefinitely. Learn the difference and stop spreading lies
@ I believe that’s what I heard on this video. Don’t be so frickin’ rude!😡
How about stop Elon trump from sacking the people who keep the skies safe from disasters like this.
The two aircraft were headed toward each other. In that situation, the lights in the CRJ would not appear to be moving from the prospective of the helicopter pilot. The lights on the CRJ would have appeared to be blended in with the city’s ground lights in the background. The two aircraft were closing on each other at 280 MPH. At that speed the two aircraft were 822 feet apart two seconds before impact. At that distance, the plane’s lights still appeared to blend in with ground lights in the background in night vision goggles. In addition, the helicopter is slightly nose down when flying forward. The helicopter pilot’s vision above the helicopter is restricted in a nose down configuration. The helicopter pilot likely never realized those lights were from an airplane moving toward them until a split second before impact.
Hopefully, the investigation will result in changes that will prevent these type of collisions in the future.
No. At the point of impact the CRJ was aligned with R33 (330 degrees) andt the chopper was heading about 200 degrees over the river rather than following the E Bank as required under the H1/H4 pathway.
Why are there no video's taken from the east side of the river? Not one security camera?
Not understanding how the helicopter wasn't affected by the backwash from the plane slowing down. They land at around 70mph. The helicopter aimed at the plane. A blind person could see that.
The tower gave the plane’s exact position in a communication one minute prior …
You mean it was on purpose?
Enough time?
There were two planes and the helicopter pilot might be misunderstood.
@@user-tx2cu8zg4c A misunderstanding like that wouldnt be relevant if the helicopter stayed under 200 feet.
"Black Hawk flight data recorder still not recovered" - I just hope the military don't conceal any information in order to save embarrassment and then just say "the data was inconclusive" or something along those lines.
Military helicopters don't have CVR or data recorders; so there will be none to recover.
Under this misadministration, I fully expect the military to LIE about this whole thing, probably on the direct orders of Himself, the COC.
I mean can they really hide info on this? This happened in our nations capital. I don't think they're going to be that careless when POTUS departs from this airport.
@@1Bronco2 Oh pray tell conspiracy wacko why not? Is there some grand conspiracy against figure skaters?
@@cobeeble
Trafficked, Russian spies, Mk-Ultra, you got time?
I honestly don't...
Using a helicopter with the most advanced transponders and radar in history, only to hit a giant commercial airliner that was lit up like a christmas tree, even after warnings by the tower, has to be the biggest failure in aviation ever. Who was flying that helicopter?
We can’t let our enemies know
Was it a MAGA that Trump didn't fire?
You'd be shocked to see how old and bad that TCAS/mode-s stuff is .. and how many times it nearly goes wrong.
And that is the perspective of the tower, where the plane flies towards, that isn't what the Heli sees. They had night vision on and there are many lights around there and reflections.
Nevertheless they were definitely wrong but it isn't so easy as we think.
1. N-O-T A GIANT COMMERCIAL AIRLINE
2. MILITARY PILOTS USUALLY USE NIGHT VISION AT NIGHT IN TOTAL DARKNESS. USE OF NIGHTVISION AT HIGHLYL-LIT AIRPORTS CAN CAUSE ISSUES WITH VISIBILITY.
THE ISSUE OF HUMAN ERROR IN FLIGHT ALTITUDE MIGHT BE THE CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT !
OTHER HUMAN ERROR MIGHT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, SINCE ONE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER DECIDED TO LEAVE WORK EARLY, FORCING TOWER PERSONEL TO "MULTI-TASK" OTHER AIRCRAFT AT THE SAME TIME.
LET'S NOT BE STUPID TO ASSUME IT'S ALL PILOT ERROR.
It was the helicopter pilots fault. Clearly. With all the info we have, he didn’t make the necessary evasive maneuvers to avoid the CRJ which ATC warned him about TWICE. The told him the plane was landing on runway 33. His mind was somewhere else.
Look at the background of every single person in that plane. And find out why one or more people were so important to eliminate that killing a bunch of other people including the helicopter flight crew didn't matter to those ordering the kill.
The control asked the Helo TWICE and they affirmed TWICE that they had eyes on it (the aircraft they ended up running into). It is obvious that the copter was sighting the other aircraft in the landing pattern and had not seen the aircraft that they ended coliding with! The copter also stated twice that they were flying visual flight rules at the time.
Many victims never receive justice, a harsh reality of the system. ⚖
What went wrong is that the Black Hawk was flying well above the 200 feet that they were authorized to fly. The plane was flying a stabilized approach, and they were at 400 feet as they should have been. It's obvious that the plane broke apart when it was hit, which is why there were no survivors. And anyone working ATC at that airport would have a lot of experience. Because it's such a challenging airport, anyone working in the tower would have years of experience prior to being assigned to that airport.
Another one in Philadelphia .
As per the ATC radar display information shown in another video, the collision occurred at a height of 300 feet.
You said that 'the Black Hawk was flying well above the 200 feet that they were authorized to fly'.
A distance of 100 feet is NOT 'well above' the required altitude at all.
@@museonfilm8919 it wasn't a commercial flight. Big difference.
The ATSB data showed it was at 400 ft
ATC shares responsibility in this. 1. In the recordings, the ATC asks helicopter if they see the jet, but provided no info on which jet or where it would be in their visual field. It’s standard to use clock hours to orient as to which aircraft you are referring to (ie do you see the jet at you 5 o’clock?) 2. The copter was higher than their allowed flight path. ATC would have had this info on their radar and should have informed them and instructed them to immediately return to allowed altitudes. Accidents like this happen because of what is called the Swiss cheese model - multiple failures across multiple “layers” of safeguards create a “hole” through which an error can pass through and occur. If the helicopter had been doing their job properly this wouldn’t have happened, but if ATC had been doing their job properly this wouldn’t have happened either.
I'm glad he's an expert.
We all feel better now.
Really?
It doesn't look like an accident.
it is
@gaguy1967 We'll see.
@@Localyokledon’t hold your breath
Keep working at McDonald’s and your moute zipped
I agree
Lots of factors led to it. But the most glaring is chopper altitude. Even with all the other factors being in play, if they were below 200ft like they are required to be then the crash would not have happened. But either way it was chopper responsibility to avoid airport traffic. Sad.
However, look also at the tower data, which puts the chopper @ 200'. Why the discrepancy? Was a third party [hacker] feeding bad data to both the tower and the chopper?
Why are helicopters in the same area as a busy airport. Planes are landing all the time and taking off. Who ever thought this was a good idea to have them anywhere near each other.
DOD.
@@markrobinowitz8473
If the DOD can't handle peace time it is clearly unfit for war.
Dei girl chopper pilot who is a captain being trained by Sgt pilots with thousands of chopper flying hours. She's still in training and was the pilot. She made the mistakes that took all the lives of the passengers and children and her teachers. All blame is on her.
Her family asked for her not to be identified cause she's a dei pilot. Her name is now released. Liberal media outlets are trying to keep her gender and pilot status quiet. Non liberal outlets are telling the truth. This dei girl pilot took 66 lives. Shameful. Dei pilots dont need to train in heavy airspace Or anywhere else really 0:33 0:33
It's a large city. Helicopters and planes HAVE to be in the same general area. There is no choice about that. That's why we have Air Traffic Control instructing trained pilots to follow precisely designed procedures. This is the first midair disaster of this kind in the US in about 40 years, which means that the system has worked literally tens of millions of times in a row. Not to make light of the tragedy. The NTSB will study this accident, as they do with every accident, and figure out exactly what happened and who is to blame. They have a process and they are very good at it. For all we know at this moment, faulty Night Vision Goggles may be the real cause. Who knows? Try to be patient and let the NTSB do its job.
@@pac1261 I would not bet on get anything near the truth out of ntsb with the current leadership strategies. They will produce a report that blames lack of tariffs or DEI or some other trump talking point.
He's right- I wanna hear the black box inside the helicopter
Nice to see Miles here. Thank you for your expertise. Been following you for decades.
Recently too many planes accidents all over the world...need to increase safety measures for flights
3 PEOPLE made errors that caused this. 1. Chopper Pilot was flying too high at 350 feet, and should have been under 200 feet. ATC did NOT correct the Chopper's flight altitude and then changed Eagle flight 5342 on to a runway that would put it in the direct path of the Chopper. The ATC supervisors sent the second Controller home early leaving only one controller to manage everything. Come back to my comment in 2 years when they finally admit all this. 1. Chopper over allowed Altitude. 2. No Correction by ATC. 3. ATC Changed Eagle flight 5342 to a different runway last minute that put it on track with the Chopper. 4. Under staffed control tower.
And
1. The military are practing maneuvering around commercial passenger planes.
2. The Airlines went along with this insane idea.
3. The FAA approved it.
The passengers did not consent to be military guinea pigs, and thus as long as they don't consent should not be practiced on.
Who was flying the helicopter?? No one will tell?
A woman pilot??? Dei definitely
Hey what about the pilot instructor that was in the helicopter GRADING the student pilot that’s making the wrong choices.
What are the odds that two aircraft would be at the exact same location at the same time? My heart goes out to all affected by this tragedy, including first responders.
In that airspace, high. Which is why 1. These routes & separations were inadequate. 2. The check ride should never have been scheduled until *after* the end of the night for the commercial traffic, which was soon. 3. ATC should be supported and fully staffed and should have denied nighttime requests for visual separation. 4. The UH60 should have offered, and ATC required, details on the CRJ, which would have allowed recognition that they were talking about 2 different jets.
pretty close to the odds that the Edmond Fitzgerald would have made whitefish bay had they put fifteen more miles behind her...
@@SuzanneBlanchard Indeed, they increase significantly when FAA allows traffic patterns to intersect within 100-300 ft.
The helicopter should've been at 200 ft but for some reason it was at 400 ft. The aircraft crew did everything right, it was the helicopter crew that did something wrong. The NTSB will have to figure out the reason. Either a pilot error, both pilots were distracted, maybe searching for the traffic at night, or a mechanical issue, we don't know yet. I don't know why neither the reporters nor the experts can express this is a more straightforward, understandable manner. Everybody is just beating around the bush all the time.
Helicopter was on autopilot. Pilots didn’t react. ATC is understaffed. No helicopters should be in the path of any runway of any major airport.
Passengers had no hope they would’ve froze to death in the river if they did survive the crash
There is a really good commentary by a military helicopter pilot that points out some things that make sense. Worth listening to.
To all the people saying it was deliberate I ask , What was the motive? I don't see one.
@johndoe-lz5un that's the million dollar question.
Why was the black hawk going so fast…. It should have slowed down and hover til plane past..,,
its insane that ANY aircraft is allowed to cross or be near an approach path to a runway ...
Hasn’t anyone thought that the night vision goggles impaired their vision. The plane came into the helicopter pilots’s blind spot. And I agree that they were probably looking at another plane.
Actually and clearly from videos that the helicopter is facing and heading directly onto the plane and the helicopter is at the blind spots of the plane!
All 6 eyes of 3 military expert pilots would look at the wrong airplane and think the same way? It’s unbelievable!
If night vision goggles would impair or block the range of vision, they should not be allowed to be worn in the first place as they only will cause errors from small to fatal!
What’s the point of limited vision range even you can see in the dark: that means you can only a small part clearly at the expense of the whole area.
It's a shame 😢😢
So terrible to think that passengers saw the Blackhawk coming at them.
The helicopter turned into the airliner. look at it from another view above, had the helicopter not turned it would have missed the airliner by yards.
The third crew member on the helicopter was a female pilot with 500 hours of flying experience, according to a U.S. official who was not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation. The Army is withholding the pilot's name at the request of her family.
@@gargoyle1779 Say it ain't so, it was a woman in LIPSTICK WEARING MENS PANTS? WHY DON'T WOMEN GO SIT DOWN SOMEWHERE TRYING TO BE MEN GO PUT ON A DRESS REAL MEN DON'T LIKE TO WOMEN IN PANTS ALL THE TIME IS UNBELIEVABLE. LIPSTICK, DRIVING A MILITARY BLACK HAWK I AM SO ANGRY RIGHT NOW. 2 Timothy CALLS THEM "SILLY WOMAN" AND ARE THE WEAKER VESSELS. SO GO SIT DOWN SOMEWHERE AND PUT ON A DRESS AND YOUR HUSBAND PROVIDE FOR YOU AND THE CHILDREN IS WHAT REAL MEN DO. WAS IT A WOMAN PILOT FOR REAL?
@@gargoyle1779 They're withholding her name because either she wasn't born in the United States of America or her or mother and father are from a different COUNTRY. SHE WAS NOT BORN IN WASHINGTON DC.
Rebecca Lobach was Helo pilot
@@TerryGreen-ye5ry Almost certainly none of the people involved were born in DC. Not any of the helicopter crew, not the ATC, not the airline pilots, and probably none of the passengers, either.
Did you know Donald Trump's mother was from a different country? And that all of his children (other than Tiffany) were born to a mother from another country?
@@mayflowerkid4422 I knew it was a woman that was trying to be a man in Pants and all three women inside The Black Hawk saw the airplane approaching at 400 feet THIS CHICK DID EVERYTHING WRONG, AND EVERYTHING RIGHT FOR AN ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I DO NOT NEED NABISCO TO TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED I CAN SEE WITH MY OWN EYE BALLS. STOP TRYING TO TELL ME THAT I DON'T SEE WHAT I AM LOOKING AT. IT'S JUST LIKE OUR FAKE CONSTITUTION THAT WAS WRITTEN BECAUSE OF SLAVERY JUST LIKE THIS MILITARY BLACK HAWK NOBODY WANTS TO ADMIT THAT THIS WAS AN ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN A BLACK HAWK. THE PLANE IN PHILADELPHIA WAS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE FROM WERE THE ACTUAL CONSTITUTION WAS SIGNED BY SLAVE OWNERS WITH SLAVES DOWN IN THE BASEMENT. THIS COUNTRY HAS NEVER BEEN GREAT SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING IN PHILADELPHIA GEORGE, MADISON, JEFFERSON AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ALL OWNED SLAVES THIS BLACK HAWK ATTACK IS ANOTHER 911 IN REVERSE. DONALD J TRUMP PARDON 1500 KLAN S MEN'S GRAND CHILDREN. IF ANYONE DISPUTES WHAT I HAVE SAID. MAY YOUR MOUTH BE TWISTED WITH A MEDICAL STROKE. TRUMP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION THAT REALLY WAS ABOUT KEEPING SLAVERY ALIVE AND THAT WAS A LAW NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN OVER 200 YEARS. WE ARE UNDER ATTACK.
There is no shortage of experts in this country.
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And it seems that they're especially prevalent in the comments of social media 🙄
@@jennj1870 a shortage of competant workers
Exactly..,, wait for the findings of the investigations
Most seem to be on this thread
That looks deliberate
it's not
I just can’t understand how the helicopter pilot didn’t see that very bright plane!
Ok, this a tragedy but exactly what makes this guy an "expert"? He is asking all the same questions that we are and says himself he doesn't know what happened.
This is kind of worthless to be honest.
Why were they not flying at required height
Miles O'Brien is actually pretty well known for his aviation and aeronautics journalism going back a long time. But you're right that nothing new was presented.
Just regurgitation of the same information that is known so far.
There are currently no experts who know what happened.
Change your perspective. The fact that even aviation field expert is unable to connect any dots points to this situation not being a typical "accident", and that we're all awaiting answers that only the black boxes can answer.
Not assuming any one thing here, but I think it's safe to say any and all possibilities are valid answers to the question of Why.
How the hell did the helicopter not see the Plane--- it was right in front of it!!! DAMN!
Speed
As a helicopter pilot it is soooo easy to not see it. With all the lights in that area and the speed at which both aircraft are moving, all it takes is a split second. The landing lights on the CRJ are not that bright until you get almost directly in front of it. From the cameras vantage point it looks like the lights are so bright they wouldn’t miss it. But that’s because the camera is recording in front of the jet. The helicopter was coming from the back side and the pilots could have been wearing night vision goggles which saturates their vision at that close range.
my ex-gf used to have this DP, and it was back in 2011. Don't remind me of my ex-gf, she was sweet as hell lol
NIGHT VISION GOGGLES DO NOT WORK AS WELL IN AREAS WITH LOTS OF LIGHTS, LIKE IN AN AIRPORT. MULTIPLE HUMAN ERROR SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM.
HELICOPTER ALTITUDE SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS.
DO NOT BE FOOLISH TO THINK ITS ALL THE PILOT'S FAULT.
BH was going so fast in a busy highway.
They came in like a triangle ...😮
Why in the hell should you have helicopters flying across the landing flight path at a very busy airport in the first place. An accident like this was always going to happen, crazy.
The helicopter was seen here to hit the underside left side or even passed the plane before the planes wing clipped it. That is odd since the heli came from the right side. The video shown here was in such good detail that i could see the plane make a couple rotations due to one wind being hit. I could see the right wingtip spiralling like the plance was a dart with the lights on the plane being normal until impact nose first. The heli on the other hand was obliterated. This was supreme detail, damn
K. I'm no Pilot or ATC. However, from what I seen and heard, the Helicopter Pilot stated he could see the CRJ and wanted to fly VFR. While this was authorised by the ATC, it was clear something was amiss so the ATC asked the Helicopter Pilot again if they could see the CRJ. ATC told the Helicopter Pilot to fly behind the CRJ, but the Helicopter crashed into the CRJ. A few experts have said that the Helicopter Pilot was actually looking at a plane behind Flight 5342, but supposedly Helicopters have a flight corridor that should have kept it below the glide path of the CRJ. How many times has a Helicopter and a Passenger Jet occupied close airspace into this airport? I would put it at maybe 10s of thousands. Were there ever any scares that could have prompted a revision of safety rules or is this just a tragedy no one could have predicted??
Clearly it was the helicopter pilots fault. Either by mistake or on purpose.
where does this on purpose stuff from? oh you pulled it out of your ass..
Suicide?
On purpose??
The heli was flying at 400 feet when it should have been no higher than 200. I hear hegseth changed the height to the same as airplanes because he was a little drunk and wanted to see what would happen.
@@jenniferamyx78 It's happened before. You have to ask the hard questions.
That helicopter went straight for that plane!!!
How is it that the helicopter didn't see the bright blinking aircraft lights???
If a helicopter has to cross a flight path on a glide slope. The crossing should be further back , closer to the start of the glide slope. That way the plane will be much higher, I'm thinking at least 500 ft mark. Then the helicopter can safely pass under the planes.
Hey CNN why aren’t there any videos on the Philly plane crash? Fox has already uploaded 5 videos on that in the past few hours
200 ft between life and death on every approach. Insane !! I would never fly to this airport
Same!
Yes, it's the airport's fault...
That’s many airports so plan to never travel
Almost any airport in the USA that includes an ILS approach, the standard "minimums" for an ILs is 200 feet. So, every time you fly in bad weather on an ILS approach but had to "go around" there's an extremely high probability that the plane flew within 200 feet of something - the ground - before having to climb out and execute the "missed approach procedure." The point, you ask? 200 feet is certainly "tight" but we do it every day - routinely - it's just you never knew that before. As has been said repeatedly for many years, "flying is extremely safe - it's just not very forgiving." My guess is they might find other contributing factors to this accident, but the crux of the problem is the pilot of the helicopter "blew" his altitude limit on that Route ..... by a lot.
@@missym877 well we all gotta do diligence. You’re not gonna stay in a hotel near a well known gang area, would you? I would check if the airport I’m flying to is right next to a military base or if their runways have a brick wall at the end of it. Cus clearly people don’t know how to build a safe airports anymore.
Why did the TCAS system not work in this accident?
Thank you very much for the Update!
This being Military and everyone in both crafts are dead. I honestly believe we will never know the real truth. What we will know is who is blamed for it.
Was this a terrorist attack???!? It would not be the first time a soldier went ham!!!!! Why haven't we heard from the army???!?!
The Army doesn't want that HEAT!
I understand your alarm, but I really think we need to wait for the experts to deeply investigate and advise us. We have just barely recovered the black box data.
If it was a terrorist attack they won't tell us. They don't want the people to panic.
The problem is they lie and cover up! WE NEED COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY in order to restore faith
Who was shooting that video?
CCTV from Kennedy Center
The camera appears to be moving.
Cameraman is always there
@@darrylwilliams1975 that is called wind
@ smart wind huh? It happens to be following the plane..😐
FAA is right. Helicopters should not be flying anywhere near where planes are taking off and landing every five minutes!
Doing helicopter training at night using visual in a commercially congested airspace is beyond stupidity. Asking the helicopter flying below 200 feet in the middle of the capital with high rise buildings? How stupid can it be? Is this a well planned?
@@sunshine7453 Yes, it was a well planned ATTACK. All three helicopter pilots didn't know NOT to fly no more than 200 feet and get visual? NO,NO,NO I SMELL A RAT. YOU CAN NOT WITHHOLD INFORMATION LIKE THAT IT'S THE MILITARY THEY WORK FOR US THE FAMILY HAS ALREADY BEEN NOTIFIED SO NOW GIVE UP THE FUNK.
there are no buildings as its flying down the river...
Not stupidity.
"Train as you fight. Fight as you train." This has been our military's philosophy for a while now.
This does increase the losses during training, but greatly increases the success rate when it becomes real .
If (perhaps a big IF) this PAT helicopter route is to remain in use, the training flights must continue in all weather.
In daylight, this route may be enjoyable to fly. At night or in bad weather it becomes hard.
The ceiling is 200 feet, and I would guess the floor is 100 feet. Bridges or a sailboat mast could ruin your day.
A possible fix would be a dedicated helicopter controller. My best guess would be 5 people some equipment, about $1M/year.
The would slow the helicopter to avoid any possible conflicts; landings on 33 or 22, take offs on 15 or 4.
I have to rule out any mechanical issues with the Blackhawk. Blackhawk had 5 communications with the tower 3 minutes before impact. Nothing said that they were having any mechanical issues.
"I have to rule out any mechanical issues with the blackhawk"..
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Thanks..
I'm tired of all the destruction in the United States 😢
Great to see you back Miles
helicopter seemed to be going fast
Helicopters are to planes what bicycles are to cars. They come out of nowhere and often where they shouldn’t be.
Because cars are always so well behaved? You should try riding a bicycle on our roads sometime. You would no longer believe that bicycles are the problem.
You’ve got that backwards. When I ride my bike, cars come out of nowhere.
@@guest6423Clearly though when a passenger airplane is LANDING it has the right of way!
Share the road
Flying above permitted altitude, kept flying straight into their air space after being warned about another aircraft in the way, the landing lights on the jet were very bright that cannot be missed within visual separation. The helicopter could of stopped and hovered , turn left or right , up and down at the last seconds before the crash. Sounds like a deliberate act to me or the traffic controller ( the only guy available at the time) set up these 2 aircrafts heading towards each other in the same direction and altitude. He clearly saw 2 airctafts were about to collide on his screen seconds before it happened but never shout to either pilots to get out of the way now. He didnt say a word seconds before both collided. Shocking truth always reveal at the end.
It seems the copter intentionally crushed on to the civilian plane. Why, we ďon't know.
@@Highlander-s3eLike German Wings Flight 9525 in 2015? 😢
ATC is good here, no miscommunication I could see based on the recordings I heard. LiveATC is cute
That Bh is like a flying bathtub, kinda not ment for quick manuvers...
Why are there helicopters practicing in an area where airliners are taking off and landing ??
VIP traffic around DC.
Stop...everything is a training in the military. PAT= priority air traffic. Move the airport far away from all the DOD stuff.
I hear Hegseth was drinking at a strip club and put them on the same flight path just to see what would happen. He laughed
My cousin told me it was a helicopter operated by ice agents.
Where u want them practice? In your living room on Xbox or PlayStation on Call Of Duty?
so many aviation experts in the comments today
I swear to I just said my God the experts
You don't have to be an aviation expert to know that it is foolish to have such helicopters crossing the flight paths of commercial airports.
Sadly the aviation experts who allowed such nonsense are not fit for their jobs.
@@Must_not_say_thatyes you do have to know something about aviation. The arrogance of people is ridiculous
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And the much greater arrogance of those who "know something about aviation" is not?