Springfield Armory's XD-M Elite 4.5" OSP: A 10mm Bear-Stopper
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- In this First Look, Special Projects Editor Roy Huntington sends a wall of lead downrange with the new XD-M Elite 4.5" OSP in 10mm. Could this be your next bear gun?
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Just subbed. Also just got my XDM Elite last month. LOVE IT!! One bit of advise for a bear gun. NO DAMNED OPTIC! Wont have time to sight anyway. If its close enough to hurt you its close enough to " point" shoot in the face . Alaska bushman, 38 years. Multiple attacks & in 2 long range attacks only then was i able to use the sights. And even then i was aiming at where the bear would be when the slug struck. Not where they were at. ( 45/70 lever gun, NO OPTIC!) Bears move so damned fast youll be lucky to have more than 3 seconds, usually less. If you cant pull/ shoot almost instantly your in a world of hurt. Only SURE bear instant stopping shot is in the brain. Once adrenalized & pissed they can still kill you even with their heart/ lungs shot clean out before they finally die. Putting my Elite through its paces i put 4 in a 5 inch circle with 2 double taps @ 15 yards using 220 grain Underwood WFNHC coated slugs in just a tad over 1 second from pull to 4th round. And im an OLD little guy w small hands. ( smallest backstrap) This guns natural " point of aim" is incredable. Best ive ever known w ANY pistol. Very impressed & retired my 454 Casull. ( Ruger redhawk full sized) Its a beast to handle with slow recovery. Heavy too & a pain to carry. Now i know why the 10mm is taking over Alaska as THE backup handgun in bear territory. Lots think a bears skull is bulletproof, its NOT. No tougher than ours is. Bears skull/brain is below its eyes. Up the nose, in the eye or just under the ear is a solid brain splatter shot. Even a 22 L.R. can kill a grizzly up the nose. I wouldnt recommend it but i carry an LCP II in 22 L.R. for just that final in my face emergency if the rifle or 10mm cant be used 1st. With my open sights i can tag a non moving 8 inch steel pretty good too even with my old man glasses. Use heavy bear slugs only. Not impressed with the Buffalo Bore monometals. The Underwoods put just as deep a dent & shoot smoother & straighter. Prob the coating makes the slug exit easier. Less recoil. Course the Underwoods compleatly splatter on the 3/4 inch thick stainless steel plate but that wont happen with only flesh & bone. Love your channel. No B.S. & straight to the point. If i get attacked again, id like you w me. Poor bear wouldnt have a chance in hell of getting either of us. And my amazing wife can cook bear to die for. Best barbeque ever made. 😁
Real world experience from folks in Alaska is the feedback I was looking for. Thank you for your input.
I really enjoyed your comment. Thank you. Great information.
@@buckslayer7387 , For you & Volst. I forgot some important stuff. 1st, Black bears are FAR more dangerous than Grizzlies are. Ambush hunters who hit from behind & instinctively go for the head/ spine to paralize 1st & then eat you alive. THEY scare me, grizzlies don't. When they run off it's usually to circle around for a better ambush position. Once they're as big or bigger than you standing up WE are considered food to them. They're sneaky as hell & can move quiet as ghosts. 2. Most of a bears brain is for it's nose. Hurt that bad enough & it shorts out their brain. Some bushman have saved their lives by attacking the bear back, grabbing it's head & biting off their nose when blindsided & they couldn't bring their guns into play first. Most of us carry long thin blades knives or spikes in both boots to ram into their eyes into the brain. One on either side in case the bear has us by one arm. 3. SHOOT EM IN THE FACE! Not the head but the FACE. ALL that mass above the eyes is just jaw muscles & blowing holes in that just makes em madder. 4. Bears can jump like grasshoppers. Many times walking up a trail in a bears tracks the tracks just ended. They'll jump up & sideways into the thick cover & land facing you just a few feet away laid out flat to watch you walk past. You can SMELL them! They STINK! Like to roll in rotted carcusses & other bears poop piles. If you can smell them they're close. Attack close. They know how to use cover for a stalk too. Will go from tree to tree using it for cover to sneak up on their targets. 5. Look UP as you travel. Blackies will hide up a tree & jump on you from above. 6. Above all. NEVER GO OUT UNARMED! THIS cannot be stressed enough. Bears are always armed, we should be too. And finally, the bushman's choice of rifles is the lever action 45/70s. The extreamly fast lock time is critical in a multi bear attack & with the right bear loads will do the job. I had to put triple magnum kickpads on mine. The hot loads are almost 458 power & the recoil is huge. Not fun to shoot but a sore shoulder is better than being mauled. During an attack you'll never feel the recoil until AFTER the bear is down & your not. I hope you folks will never have to deal w any of this stuff but it's always a possibility out here in the bear/ moose woods. I went 7 years w/o an attack after many many encounters but in year 8 was attacked 3 times. Go figure. Course we live in the heart of bear central out here in the Alaskan bush. Have both blacks & griz all over the place. Interesting place! 😁 Still beats living in town thou.....
@@tristantimothy1004 thank you for taking the time
@@tristantimothy1004 Thank you for your comments. People with common sense are looking for these types of comments from folks with real world experience.
I loved the serious look into the camera when saying "...or a charging anything else" LOL.
Hey Blake, thanks for your good humor and taking the time to comment. I always think there’s no need for any drama or over-acting, but we can have some fun, eh? Roy H.
Thanks for keeping a bit of a spotlight on the 10mm, it is a great round that, like you said, can do pretty much anything you need it to. And always good to see another quality gun chambered in it.
You’re spot-on Rob. This is pretty close to a “do everything” semi-auto. You can load it down (say, a 150 at 1,000) or heavy. Very versatile and controllable. Roy H.
Awesome Roy!
I'm a 10mm guy myself, love your videos!!
Hi Alan. I agree on the ten. It’s so versatile it’s hard not to like. And thanks for your kind words! Roy H.
refreshing, sober, mature presentation 👍👍
love your well spoken delivery, no political spewage, just simple the art of the pistol.👍👍
thank you sir.
71 , retired, born 65.5 years in Connecticut. now quiet in New Hampshire 💥🎯🗽🇺🇲☕🏆✌️
Creighton, I appreciate your kind comments. I agree I too tire of the “spewage” you see at times! Congrats on your retirement! Roy H.
Does it have a dual recoil spring and how many pounds on it?
Thank you for your video!
I just bought the compact version. I love it, easy to conceal and when I go trout fishing in the mountains, all I have to do is throw on a 15 round magazine with the extension along with an outside holster. Best of both worlds!!!!!
Exactly!
I like my compact as well, but I did just get the 4.5" today lol I felt like I needed both.
I currently own the full sized and told myself if they ever released the compact that would become my carry pistol. Just waiting on my CCH renewal and I'm going to make the purchase. Glad to see you're liking yours so much! FYI a manufacturer named Defender Ammunition makes some decent 10mm loadings local to me and their prices are the best I've seen. Check them out sometime.
Hey partner !
That was some mighty fine shooting you did there !
We're proud of you !
Thanks Mr. Hanna. I’m just happy I can still (barely) see the sights, much less hit the target! Roy
Dude that grin at the end of the mag dump was Priceless! Beast of a weapon.
I confess, Boomer, I had this visual images of a very surprised bad guy looking wide-eyed just before he dropped to the ground. Can we say this sort of thing out loud? Roy
@@fmgpubs You bet your a** you can Roy! Like my old Platoon Sergeant in the Rangers used to say "Rangers, think of going to range as an opportunity to rehearse, don't think of targets as men, think of men as targets." He was a deep thinker. Shoot back first bro!
@@boomer6611 That's funny because when I was a young cop, my Dad would always tell me, "Remember, shoot back first." He was a combat vet so knew ... Roy H.
Hahaha I like that “shoot back first” and I’ll always love… “shoot first, ask questions later” 😂😊
Love it I just picked one up here in The Phoenix area for $550 with 6 magazines...Springfield is offering that deal right now through the end of September 2023
Hell, that’s a great deal! Roy
Very nice, thanks for sharing this with us.
Great shooting just ordered one …appreciate the review done.
I have the 3.8 XD10mm elite love it been a fantastic woods gun
I think of the two, I agree, I like the overall useability of the 3.8 size better. But if concealment or size didn’t matter, I did find the 4.5 to be a bit easier to control. Not surprising though. Roy H.
I’m happy for the resurgence of 10mm. Hopefully many more to come especially carry options.
I know what you mean Mike. I'd also like ammo makers to look at it harder. Say, a hard cast, flat point bullet of about 160 grains at about 1,000 fps. It'd penetrate like gang-busters and if the flat point is broad would cut a good wound channel without having to worry about HPs opening up. Roy H.
I have this gun and a rock island and a Glock in 10 mm still trying to figure out why with Glock they want you to have to change your barrel for bear loads which means more exspence added to this gun right off. I feel if I buy a gun in a certain caliber it should be able to shoot any ammo in that caliber. I really satisfied with my Springfield and didn’t have to worry about changing anything to shoot the ammo it’s chambered for.
Jack, not sure (perhaps someone can wade in here) but I think stock Glock barrels don’t shoot lead well (it can increase pressure), so if your heavy 10mm load is hard cast lead, they’d likely want you to change the barrel. I agree on the Springfield. Mine seems to shoot everything fine. Roy H.
Excellent video! Thanks!
The 1st XDM 10mm debuted on 10-10-2018. I bought mine on 10-10-2019. Got the 5.25 barrel in FDE color. Waited a year to get the bugs out, but there none to get out. Most accurate gun I have. Out shoots my 9mm's. Great gun.
Couldn’t agree more. Mine have all been solid and reliable. Roy H.
Extremely pleasant to shoot and very accurate!😎👍
What a beautiful yard!!
And, another awesome review. You’ve done well in your second career, brother 👌👍
Thanks Johnny. I confess we count our blessings here all the time. But it also took a lot of hard work. Ha! It was a life-long dream of mine to be able to shoot on my own property so every time I do, I smile! Roy H.
@@fmgpubs - Congrats to you on making it happen! Beautiful place and great review!👍👊
I picked up the elite 3.8 10mm when they came out, love the gun, do not like ammo availability and cost right now........ but the gun is a cannon
Great video! I love my 10mil’s. Thank you.
Great video!👍
GREAT SHOOTING! Been looking at getting a 10mm.
Very good review. Thanks so much.
Thanks for taking the time to comment, LK! Roy H.
This video makes me ask: If someone can shoot a 10mm that well; why would he ever carry anything less?
That’s a good point, Tim, but it does take a lot of practice to get to where you can control a gun like that fast. I’ve found a good 9mm or even a .45 ACP allows you to stay fast if needed, but are much easier to control in recoil, leading to more accurate shot placement. But you’re right, if you can handle it and need the power, why not? Roy H.
10mm best caliber to me. I need 2 more thats it
I shoot my 3.8 SA Elite the same. Very well. I carry it most of the time. But there is room for a nice 15 round 9mm from time to time. My G48 or Hellcat are my top choices.
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9mm - agg assault, ~10yrs. 10mm - murder 3/2; 25-40 yrs. They will charge you. Will you “win” your trial?
Looks like a good choice in bear country !
10mm is a great round with good power and bullet weight !
Tristantimothy2004 I love your assessment of the best way to carry a Bear defense pistol. This is obviously a true account from your experience. It makes a lot of sense from your perspective. From one old guy (70) to another, stay safe and enjoy the great outdoors.
Thanks John. I think 25 years as a street cop does give someone a bit of experience when it comes to charging bears, of one sort or another! Thanks for your kind words. How’d we get to be 70 anyway? Roy
I swear Roy! You always answer ALL questions when it comes to what we all need to know when looking at a new purchase. I’ve been thinking about this gun for my new winter time carry, & I have to say I’m sold. I love the XDM line, but was a little shy of the 10mm till I saw you shoot it. I have the same small hands and wasn’t sure. But I am now. I’m not afraid of recoil carrying .357 most of the time. But wasn’t sure if the grip. Thanks for always being so helpful and bringing not just info but a good time to be had with all your vids. Hope we get to plink some steel together some day!
Gene 🤠 Eldon Mo
Gene, I liked this so much I bought it. And in all honesty, I don’t feel the recoil is any “worse” than a hot .45 ACP. Some day we’ll get together! Roy
I've had one of these for, I guess, a year and a half. It's everything you say it is, love it!
I bought one and I love it
Great video I will be getting one before the end of the year.
I think you’ll like it Rick. Just give it a bit of lube when you get it and keep a firm firing grip. Roy
I think you have to try the different back straps and find the one that gives you the best grip. Also start out with the lower energy loads until you get used to the gun. Thanks!
Heck yeah , Roy! Keeping that 10mm really flat showing it who’s boss. Nice work
Corey, I appreciate your kind words. I’ve found, over the years, if you just grip a gun like this about as hard as you can and roll your shoulders forward some it really absorbs the recoil and also helps the gun to run well. Give it a try! Roy H.
Jerry Miculek gave a good bit of instruction about controlling recoil in a video he did with the Gould Brothers. Check it out if you like!
Just bought one a day ago pretty excited haven’t shot it yet. I shoot a 500 smith and Wesson and I love shooting it, haven’t been able to find any ammo for a while. This will fill my power itch well I think, as well as my hiking carry. Big bonus a lot lighter then my 500 haha!
Great review! Thanks for the eye pal tip. With my bifocals it’s been hard. Hope this helps.
They work great. I use my computer glasses (focus at arm’s length) and with the eyepal, I can suddenly see the sights AND the target! Roy
The one I'm looking at buying right now.
Great video Sir! 👌🏻
Thanks Dan! More to come. Roy
First video I've seen of yours. Great job on the review and shooting. New subscriber here now.
Thanks Randy. And thanks for taking the time to post! Roy H.
Great video!
Thanks Montana Man! This model might come in handy for you there! Roy H.
This dude is legit. He must shoot big bore revolvers regularly because he makes 10mm recoil look like .22 lr.
Thanks J.A., I did cut my teeth starting about 45 years ago with a Model 29 .44 Magnum and always seem to have some big-bore shooting going on ever since then. I honestly don’t understand why people seem to be leery of the 10mm’s recoil as it’s honeslty just not that bad at all. Keep a very firm firing grip and roll your shouders into it. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Roy H.
Good point. Im an Alaskan bushman who carried big bore for decades as a backup for Grizzlies. After a failure with the 44 switched up to the Casull. Its a big, heavy beast to handle w massive recoil & slow recovery. Just switched to this gun. LOVE IT! Put 4 into a 5 inch circle in just a tad over 1 second w no sights @ 15 yards. And that with the Underwood 220 grain WFNHC bear thumpers. From pull to 4th round. ( 2 double taps) just over 1 second. Wont have time to sight with a bear attack anyway. This unit just has THE most natural point of aim ive ever known. Have no doubt i could send a bears brain out through its rear end in very short order. Have been attacked several times out here. 2 up close. Matter of a few yards to a few inches. ( im my face) Bear attacks are FAST & usually close up. And im an OLD little guy. Had to put the smallest backstrap on for the right " feel". Best $ ive ever spent.
Hello, Roy. The 10mm cartridge was my reason for learning how to reload some years ago. My 'plinking' load is a poly-coated 180 gr hard cast lead round using Accurate #7, gets a bit over 1200 fps with my 5.25" XDm and almost 1500 fps with my TNW Aero Survival rifle. If you haven't shot one of those, you should try it in 10, that round works really well in it.
Lou, that hard cast 180 at 1200 fps would do any job you ever needed it to do! Roy H.
@@fmgpubs And the bullets are reasonably priced AND made locally (Badman Bullets, Lebanon, Oregon)
Just got one ☝️ ty for your professional review.
Wow that some nice shooting sir and with a 10mm. Great vid very well spoken & nice hat of Old Glory.
Thanks MikoIF, and thanks for taking the time to comment! Roy
Thanks for the info Roy. I had a XDm 5" in 9mm about 14 years ago and had to move it along when the arthritis became too prevalent in my hands. It was a very flat shooting gun due to the size. I'm now using a S&W M&P .380 EZ which is very fun to shoot and much easier to rack and load. Thinking about changing to the EZ in 30 Super to carry a couple more rounds or the CSX.
I really like that .380 EZ and it would definitely be a great (perfect?) platform for the .30 Super Carry. I’ll keep leaning on them to make it. Roy H.
@@fmgpubs I believe S&W already has a version of the EZ in 30 super. So thanks for leaning. 😁
Hey Poppy I have arthritis like you and I have problems racking some toys, check out the HK VP9 they have like wings at the back of the slide and make it easy to rack the slide. You really need to see those.
Thanks, i just purchased the desert eagle color one
I think they look great in that color! Roy
Damn sir definitely not your first rodeo. Nice shooting, nice review. I always appreciate other's opinions, so thanks for taking the time to share yours. 👍
Thanks Gray. Not my first rodeo …. That’s pretty funny, but true. thanks for your kind comments. Roy H.
@@fmgpubs thank you for the informative review. 👍
Nice video. This is my next gun
I personally own a Springfield XDM 9MM.
Imm looking at the 10 mm as another part of my collection.
Thank you for your information.
same
Excellent video. Concise, well spoken, well demonstrated. Bravo. I will be saving my shekels for this one.
Glad you enjoyed it, Mr. Leblanc. And thanks for taking the time to comment. I’ve been shooting the gun more and it’s really growing on me! Roy
wow, thanks, very helpful.
My pleasure, Karl. Thanks for posting a comment! Roy
Well done. Subscribed.
Thanks! Roy
I got one recently I was surprised how mild the recoil was much more controlled than my Glock 20 and my smith 2.0 10mm
Agreed, Boby. The design does seem to help you to control the recoil. I remain impressed. Roy
I've had two hex red dots fail on my xdm elite 10mm. Waiting on the third one to get shipped to me. The gun, no problems.
Try the Vortex Venom...top loader battery and lifetime warranty 3moa dot works great!😎👍
Kratka i lijepa recenzija
Hvala vam Simba!! Roy
Love my 3.8 version its my hiking gun here in east Tennessee we have alot of bear and coyotes.
Can't wait for the 12.7mm version. 😄
Thanks for your review - I'm really interested in this pistol. I wish I could go shooting in my own backyard. As it is now, I have to drive about 25 miles to get to my nearest outdoor shooting location.
I love 10mm. It's my favorite semi-auto pistol cartidge. It's the .357 Magnum of the pistol world, and that's a good thing. But let's get real.
The most potent commercially available 10mm ammo I've ever been able to find, fired from a 5" barrell, was almost as potent as low-end .41 magnum (in terms of foot pounds of energy at the muzzle). Kind of like the most potent 9mm ammo is almost as potent as low-end 10mm range ammo.
IMHO, round for round, 10mm really is not comparable to .41 Magnum, but the 10mm is a great cartridge.
Good things!
It is comparable to 41 Magnum, and beats it easily. Most 10mm loads may not be as powerful as a heavy 41 Magnum cartridge, but what is most important is that there are way more 10mm offerings, and way more guns chambered in 10mm. Plus it is always better to have 9 rounds, 10 rounds, 13 rounds, 16 rounds or even 32 rounds of 10mm than 6 rounds of 41 magnum. Sure 41 Magnum may beat 10mm in terms of power, but you are still limited to 6 rounds, and that is why 10mm wins. It is about more than just the bullets, it is about what you can do with it. The 10mm just goes way further in terms of being practical than the 41 Magnum. The 41 Magnum is awesome, but I would rather be carrying a high capacity 10mm. It is kinda like comparing 45 Bushmaster to 454, because sure the 454 slightly outperforms the 45 Bushmaster in terms of power, but the 45 Bushmaster is way more practical than 454. So if it came down to choosing which one I'd carry, the easy choice would be 45 Bushmaster. People that do these comparisons focus way too much on just the ammo, when everything else is what they should focus on. We already know 10mm and 41 Magnum will both get the job done, so what are the other factors? 10mm wins in basically every other category besides power. I understand liking certain calibers and certain gun models, but only a fool would use those two variables to make a choice on which caliber to carry. Sure you may love an old 41 Magnum revolver, and that is totally fine, but there are more benefits to carrying a modern high capacity 10mm pistol. It is like if somebody put a 44 Revolver on the table and a 10mm semi auto pistol, and said I could only carry one. For me the choice would be easy, the 10mm pistol every single time. I know the 44 has way more power, but there are several reasons why I would pick the 10mm, and less power would not be a huge factor in my choice.
@@chrisgullett4332 Sure, and by that same token, an AR-15 trumps a .50 BMG Barrett M82. It depends on the circumstances and application.
I've no affinity for the .41 Magnum cartridge and / or revolver. I've never even fired one. I do like the S&W Performance Center Pro Series Model 627 8-shot .357 Magnum revolver - I've found that a pleasure to shoot. Not as practical nor useful as a good 10mm semi-auto pistol, like the SA XDM Elite you reviewed here.
Good things! 👍
The 10mm is a formidably round especially using the right round for the right occasion. Seen videos of them taken down water buffalo in Africa (thick hide), bears, wild bore, deer, and even a charging moose. 22plinkster guy drove a hole through bullet proof glass for grins and giggles. For a handgun, I feel very comfortable carrying one for protection outdoors.
I half agree, on the grip safety - I have NEVER had an issue with the grip safety on am XD. I have, however had issues with the grip safety on a 1911. To be honest, the grip safety is what is keeping the XDM10 Elite in the running. It has come down to that or the P320 X Ten which has NEITHER a grip safety OR a trigger safety. The one thing that has me leaning towards the XD. Under adverse conditions, no holster available, I'd feel a lot better carrying the XD charged than the X Ten. Also doesn't hurt that you can actually buy an XDM10 E with paying 200bux OVER msrp right now.
I’d agree on your take. That grip safety can’t hurt. Roy H.
grip safety is a bit scary. I'm thinking about a bear sneaking up on me and being in a non-traditional shooting situation.
@@williampowell8083 Have you ever shot an XD? I only have once - a loaner when I showed up for "qual" with no pistol. That grip safety ain't even there, bro. No matter how I grabbed it, it was pressed. Now my RIA 1911, on the other hand, if I try to rest my thumb ON the thumb safety (thumbs forward), it creates a tiny gap between the web of my hand and the grip safety that prevents it from being depressed far enough UNLESS I pull with the 4 fingers of my strong hand like I am trying to crush the grip. THAT ONE, I might have shaved a little but the XD I used (sample of one), it wasn't even noticeable.
Nice gun
Springfield offers a 5 1/4 inch threaded barrel, which does increase the velocity. Since it's a factory barrel it dropped right into mine just like the original 4.5".
That’s handy! Roy
It does only increase velocity by 25 fps or so, depending on the load, but the longer barrel does make it have a bit less muzzle blast. A bit … Roy
Oh yeah!
Good, Thx ...gonna need to find one with a good price
To prove the quality and reliability of the new XD-M 10mm, 10,000 rounds of Federal Premium Hydra-Shock ammunition was fired through the gun with EVERY round documented on video. No work was done to the pistol, outside of a recoil spring change and oil at 2,000 round intervals. The XD-M 10mm performed flawlessly and powered through all 10,000 rounds without a single failure. The video is on the Springfield Armory YT channel.
I’m not at all surprised. Thanks for the post! Roy
sweet gun!
Hawk, I've shot it quite a bit more since this video and I remain impressed! Roy H.
@@fmgpubs nice; I want to get a couple of them!
Also, I seem to recall you owe us video on hot-roding a Ruger Wrangler .22!
Great video and Springfield armory makes a great pistol i own ond anc love it 🇺🇸
Thanks Louis. And I agree about Springfield! Roy
@@fmgpubs 😊
When purchasing this you might want to upgrade the trigger to a Apex, Turkey Opinion had the XD Elite trigger die on him because the safety trigger is made of polymer and it broke and made it unworkable. But it looks like a solid firearm.
It’s always surprising to me to hear things like this. Among our writers we’ve likely fired tens of thousands of rounds through the XD-M series, including the Elite models. We’ve had no issues with anything. But I agree those Apex triggers are great! Thanks for you comment Jim! Roy H.
I also just subbed😊
“Greased pig down a shoot” plus the smile after made me lose my water😂😂😂. You have a new subscriber sir!
Well, thanks Brandon. If we’re not having fun, then what good is it? Roy
@@fmgpubs ~~~ I agree 💯% chief
You got to be from the SOUTH!
@@JorgeGonzalez-be9vh ~~~ You wouldn’t be incorrect with that assumption
Dangit, good shooting.
Thanks Bret. That gun really stays in your hand, I have to say! Roy
Nice video. Good shooting. I bought one based off this video.
Let us know what you think!
I just shot this one again yesterday. I’m liking it more and more! Roy
I will let you know as soon as I shoot it.
Finally took it out today. The bad boy is wicked and fun to shoot. It’s definitely a hand cannon.
Just bought one. Keeper, indeed…
How was the recoil? I’m interested in buying one.
And it's a nice looking pistol also 👌 I really hope you never have to use it for your safety .
I like holding the gun like the old school revolver I don't like thumb over thumb either!
I’ve always found it to be much more secure, especially on a bigger or harder recoiling gun. Roy
Nice pistol
He hanging on to that gun like a dude at a country bar fixing to ride a electric bull lmao
Okay, that’s funny. But you’re right. It’s the best way to control an auto if you’re shooting fast. And riding bulls …. Roy
So I just bought this gun and was wondering what other optics you might recommend / what fits for it. Mine did not come with optics as I bought it from another website.
Ryan, check the instructions in the box and it will tell you what you need to buy to match the mounts. But keep in mind, it’s a hard recoiling gun so you really shouldn’t go with a cheapie $100 red dot sight. Once you decide which style fits, I’d spend at least $300 or so to assure you get a rugged one. Stick with name brands and not Amazon discount models. I’ll check my set-up to see what specific sights I could recommend. You can also go wtih the Springfield model (on their website) as it’s excellent and you know it fits. Roy H.
'Can't teach old dogs New tricks'. This guy is the bomb with 10mm!
Hey Michael ... I've always said beware of an old guy with a grey mustache .They can sometimes shoot! But nearly a lifetime of practice helps some, eh? Thanks for your kind words. Roy H.
Good shooting !
What is your favorite bullet weight you use ?
Norm, I tend to favor the 180s. I figure, if you’re going to do this, why use a light bullet? I like a load in the 1100 fps range with the heavy bullet. They seem to penetrate very well, without the fuss of a heavier load. Roy H.
@@fmgpubs Thank you ! My son loads 180 grain in his also with great results !
I load hard cast Keith SWC 168 grain in my .357 mag for use in bear country and have not tried 180 grain just yet !
I’m going to look into the model you use !
Hi great video. Can that barrel shoot a cast bullet for bears, or would you have to by an aftermarket barrel ?
Nick, I don’t see why this barrel won’t shoot cast just fine. It’s not “micro” rifling or anything weird. Roy
Best option in a handgun.
It’s a sort of “final period” on this sort of thing! Roy
I think a 10mm could be a good bear gun. And this one might be on my list.
Nice discussion and demo but you forgot to point out the huge open gap in the back side of the slide that deserves an explanation and we are all wondering if that will be fixed in the next version?
It’s not broken Rig. It’s a hole you need to take down the slide. Roy
Enjoy your reviews!!. Can you confirm if my 22 magazine from my Springfield Elite 5.25 can be used I the Springfield Elite 4.5?
Fausto, I’m not sure from peronal experience but since it’s the same platform, I sure don’t see why not. I checked the Springfield website and from what I can see, you’d be good to go. I’m not sure if the mags would fit the shorter grip models, but they may still lock in okay for backups. Roy
Yes easily
hello, does it come with the holster you show on the video at minute 3:17?
Nope, that’s a “stock” photos from Springfield. I do think you can get the holster on Springfield’s website. Roy
damn...just watching this man shoot made my mustache grow longer and thicker,
chest hair too!
That’s all I need …. more mustache! Thanks for your good humor Johanes! Roy H.
@@fmgpubs I would be very grateful if you could help me.. I want to buy my first gun.
1. I have literally no experience with pistols.
2. I can only buy one gun.
3. since I am Croatian, I want to take a product from HS PRODUKT (springfild xd series).
What would you recommend... 9mm, 10mm? compact, subcompact??
P.S. in my country, the law is such that I have to spend approximately 500 dollars on permits... a doctor's permit... a certificate from the police that I have not been punished... go through official training to get a certificate that I know how to handle weapons... a special safe where the weapons will be kept ..and then just buy a gun that is more expensive in my country than in yours even though it is imported from here... and that license is only valid for that 1 gun, if I want another one I have to pay for everything again.
@@johanesgo8096 Wow, what a series of hoops you need to jump through there! For a first gun, I’d get a 9mm, compact. The sub-compacts are a bit more difficult to learn to shoot and the compact will conceal and be much more controllable and easier to learn to shoot than the small guns. I imagine 9mm ammo is more affordable there than 10mm, etc. so that’s a plus too. All success to your endeavor to get your first handgun! Reach out if you have questions I can help with. Roy H.
@@fmgpubs Thank you for your reply! Greetings from Croatia
Pro Tip: The mag actually holds 18 rounds, with a 19th in the chamber... I love mine!
Does the Red Dot come with the Gun?
I think every company now is making a 10mm offering for the 9 40 and 45 line and that's great alot out here use 10mm I'm 5 hours from Yellowstone in Idaho and a big handgun is a must if you go outdoors
I purchased the 10 mm, Springfield 3.8 yesterday. I got couple of 180 grain ammo boxes. Also one box of Buffalo Bore 220 grain Hard Cast FN. Have not shot the gun yet. Have you shot the Buffalo Bore ammo? If so, give me some feedback.
Thanks
Jorge, the Buffalo Bore is stout but controllable. It penetrates very deeply and I’d consider it for hunting pigs, bear defense, etc. I’d rely on more standard defensive ammo (JHP) for defensive use. Hope that helps. Roy
@@fmgpubs thank you
People complain about the grip safety because the TH-camrs they watch complain about the grip safety
Agreed. I’ve never had a single issue with any grip safety. Roy
i have seen reviews where they claim the accuracy is bad, rounds hitting all over the place. Have you had any issues like that?
Hasn't been an issue with this gun at all and I've shot it quite a bit more since this video. I have a feeling much of the "accuracy issues" you see mentioned with handguns has to do with poor trigger control on the part of the reviewer. We test dozens of handguns yearly for Handgunner and Guns Magazines and I can't recall a modern semi-auto which wasn't at least consistent and plenty accurate for defensive work. Roy H.
I'm amazed they sell it with an installed dot sight without co-witness irons.
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Agreed, Creig. Not sure why but it’d be easy to fix with some alternate sights. Roy H.
It's strange to me as well because on the 9mm osp it has co-witness sights and threaded barrel. But I'm sure it's because the non osp has the same U sights so it's cheaper and easier to just to make them all that way and then on the osp they can just slap the red dot on
Underwood Extreme Penetrator for Bears, Liberty Civil Defense for Home.
Yes sir. 10mm most definitely have threre place in camping and home defense
Will this fire any hardcast with no issues?
I’d sure think so. I fired Buffalo Bore flat nose hard cast just fine. Roy
Just picked one up new for $529 with 6 mags, guess it pays to wait
Gosh, a screaming deal for sure. You’re going to just love it. Roy
After 28 years in Alaska, including in bear counrty, I will state categorically that No Handgun is proper defense against brown/ grizzly bears. They will be OK fro black bears - if you can wait for your shot, soot accurately even during extreme stress. SStreaa is why God mad long guns.
You can fit 17 in the magazine if you push hard enough. It takes a smack to seat it or release it though. 😅
I tend to load down one or two as most high cap mags seem to be more reliable that way. Roy
About the closest thing to .357mag you'll ever have in a semi-auto cartridge (provided you shop for the right stuff).
That is the trick with both .357 magnum and 10mm. Both cartridges have some pretty weak factory loadings, but when both are loaded to their potential, they are pushing the same weight bullets at the same velocity from equal barrel lengths. The 10mm really isn’t in the same as a .41 mag like we often hear.
@@ReeveHelalV 357mag out energizes the 10mm slightly but it's not significant in terminal effect.
No, the .41 is a good half step between 357mag and 44mag performance.
4:00 I just need a threaded barrel in a compensator 4:06
I have one mine holds 17+1