The prices of the current Wranglers are a f'ing joke and are alienating true fans. Jeep's CEO has said previous that he wants the brand to be a luxury brand, and that's where the pricing is going.
So I am 64 years old. I have had 2 YJ's (yes I am Canadian) 1 TJ a JK and now a 2022 JL. They have all been Sahara's till this one. I bought a new Rubicon in March of 22 and I really love this one. The reason I did buy this one was because I got a really good trade for my 2015. I am not going to upgrade this one for a few more years. It will be paid off in march and the cost of this one was high. I think this one will be here for a long time. Now I am not a high level off roader. I drive my jeeps because I feel safe in them, I love the roof off and doors off and they are awesome in the snow. But that is my 2 cents.
Don’t buy either/any of them until the insanity stops. My wife’s 2022 Rubicon 4XE (which she build and ordered 11/2021 and took delivery late 1/2022), as built was $65K. If you build it today with same options, it’s $73K. This afternoon I did a quick book value check (average trade in), it’s $43K (26,000 miles). Save your dollars, drive your current Jeep and let them and the rest of the manufacturers suffer for a bit.
As an avid off roader, the biggest upgrade for 2024 is the full float rear axle. As for me, I have a 2021 JT Mojave, I won't upgrade until a better engine is offered and the interest rates drop 😉
I’m still keeping my 2009 JKU. This Wrangler has taken me through Appalachian mountains, cross country, all over the Pacific Northwest, been my daily driver and still has plenty of life left. Each year, I take a look at the new models, but I haven’t been convinced yet that I need an upgrade.
Matt, I have been looking at purchasing my first ever Jeep for over a year now. I have been driving Ford pickups for years before this. I love the offroad capable features of the Wrangler Rubicon. i hesitate to jump in because the new prices are so high. Buying an old beater Jeep and running it into the ground is one thing, but buying a new $70,000 vehicle is another. I'm sold on the Wrangler but i got stuck between the 4XE or the ICE versions. So now I will wait to see what comes in 2025 before making a decision. I would love to see you guys get a 4XE and run it through it's paces and really let us know what you think about that platform. thx jerry
I'm glad I got my 392 this year, 24. The price jump was hard to take (over 23), but the refreshes really helped daily driver ability. Most people are speculating the 392 is gone for 25 - we'll see...
The 392 has a huge profit margin. They sell everyone they produce in minutes. Even with the bs regulations from the government, the bottom line is all a company cares about .
Old school guy (comment): I bought my 95 YJ in 97 and was just happy and still happy. Then I bough my 2018JLUR in 2019 and still happy. The interior as per their original design incorporates every previous jeep design in the wrangler and I think moving away from the original design as they did in the 2024 with that rectangle IMAX screen takes away from the interior. As for colors, I'm not hung up on that mess. Color is just a color, not worth it for me to change my jeep because of some special color. As for 4Xe, think it's cool, would like to have one in the future, but for me NO WAY I'm getting rid of my YJ or my nicely build 2018 JLUR. Oh and as for engines, I'm completely happy with the 3.6 and the 8 speed auto. I'm likely to put my money on an LJ instead of a 2025 JL.
I went in the opposite direction and went from a 24 JL 2 door Rubi to a 23 Gladiator Rubi. The deals are just too sick to pass up (67,000 dollar Jeep for 52 grand). And I gotta admit, I like the red dash and the 8.4 screen over the new 12.3 and gray dash. Oh and your little 2 door is looking really sweet.
@@Hannibalmiles8494 I’d question them on their numbers. I’ve seen some really good deals, but 23 grand off sticker. Sounds like they may have been bs-ing you a tad. Maybe not, but it doesn’t line up with any other deals I’ve seen all over the Midwest.
I agree with you on everything. Absolutely everything. I got a 23 gladiator 71k sticker and 18,300 off, thats employee pricing and the 15% off, first responder, and they gave me 500 under employee. No way is he getting 23k off. Secondly, I don't like the 12.3 inch dash and getting rid of 2 circle vents for those garbage 2 under the big screen. They should have done a ram screen, more vertical and kept the two circle vents. Has more of a car vibe then jeep vibe now. Including the ugly grille the 24 has now of the mastery of the 18-23' grille. Jeep has really gone backwards on everything. Very sad. Including their crazy pricing.
@@jeffreythomas4254 I picked it up 8/6. Has 6600 miles on it and the back up camera hasn’t worked since the day I picked it up. They can’t seem to fix for whatever reason. Oh and sometimes when I hit the defrost button it changes the song on the radio. They are putting the lift on my Gladiator today, so I should pick it up tomorrow.
How did you like the 12.3 all those months? Did you get a good resale on it? What lift and tire package you go with? I know. All these questions lol. To me, gladiator is so much more practical over a wrangler. Idk why besides women I guess would choose a wrangler over a gladiator.
I bought my 2020 Gladiator with 54K miles about 7 months ago for $33K… it was the cheapest one around me for 300+ miles and I had to travel 45 minutes from where I live to make the deal… So I will be keeping mine and currently sitting at almost 58K miles… Keep up the amazing work!! 👍
Ordered a '24 2 dr Willys in Anvil with the V6. Didn't want to chance Jeep pulling the V6, Anvil color, or downgrading the Willys package for '25. Willys package for '24 has a lot of goodies!
The JK Wrangler was only ever offered with one engine option. The JL has had 4 engine options not counting the e-torque versions. I can't imagine Jeep offering another engine option for the JL platform. It's already going to be a nightmare ordering parts for a JL in the future. The diesel is completely opposite from the air filter box to the muffler. The complexity is insane for a model that was at one time a very simple and effective offroad vehicle.
I think the biggest issue for me is manual. The manual 2door (my preference) is getting rare. I have a 2016 JK. I don’t think they totally drop the 2door. But may continue to reduce offerings. I could see them dropping manual. Especially if they drop the 6cyl. Since that’s the only way to get manual now.
Wife and I just test drove the 4xe rubicon 24 and loved it! We have a 21 crosstrek with some offroad stuff wheels/tires but will not compare to a jeep on the trails and wanted to upgrade...I just don't know what to do we want to dive into some offroading but spending almost 80k is insane to scratch it up. Might keep the crosstrek and buy a older TJ 4.0 or something. I really have no idea what too do lol! I don't mind spending good money just want to keep the jeep in good condition and I know myself would send it. hahaha
I have a 2020 2 door Sport S and really like it. I hadn’t thought about replacing it but a 2024 2 door Willys is intriguing but probably not going to happen.
I have a 2024 4xe hybrid and love it. Only drawback is it doesn't go very far on electric and is still loud when running on gas like previous years. I offroad and the rear axle is phenominal.
Love my 21' 392, only regret is not getting the full float rear axle. The other recent upgrades are no big deal and I prefer the dash and screen that I have. She's my baby.
Looked at a ‘24 Rubi X with RC package, $20k more than my very low mile loaded 21 High Altitude (I love the interior). Made me like mine much better, it’ll be paid off this year so let the fun begin.
I just picked up a heavily discounted 2023 Gladiator Rubicon, I didn’t feel as if they changed enough in the ‘24 to justify what they’re going to ask for them. I am looking forward to what they do with the 4xe (we also have a 4xe GC Trailhawk and LOVE IT), but it sounds like they’re going to totally revamp that system too in ‘25ish, so I’ll wait a while before looking to get one of those.
I don’t think they’ve changed enough from my 2020 Gladiator Rubicon 3.6L to the 2024 model. If they come out with the hurricane engine with a minimum of 400hp I’d immediately put a deposit down but for now I’ll keep my supercharged 3.6 and if it blows I’ll figure out a way to put a 6.4 in it.
So very tempted to get a 2024 RubiX. I just really want the extra airbags, that new screen, and the one touch electric top. But my paid off 2019 MOAB with 45k miles feels so nice, love it, and paid off feels gooooood. I keep going down the rabbit hole on TH-cam and autotrader searches but then somehow talk myself back off the edge.
I have a 2021 JLU Wrangler Sport EcoDiesel. I love it. I lifted it and went with 33 inch tires. I am not a rock crawler user. I am not an overland user. I use it to go for rides off highway in the desert on some easy to moderate trails. It is my only vehicle so I also use it to go to town and go out of state to visit family. I don't have a sway bar disconnect. I don't have lockers. I haven't seen a need for those features but may go for sway bar disconnect for a smoother off road ride. I have a lot of "lugging" power with the diesel. I hardly spin a tire going up some steep and rocky inclines about idle speed. I can go slowly down steep hills in 4L and barely touch the brake. With all that said my total cost with upgrades is less than $50,000. Why would I want to spend more for a new Wrangler when this one meets all my needs. I have 53,000 miles on it after 3 years. I am averaging 22 mpg. It has a lot of life left in it. So, no I am not going for a '24 or a '25.
Passed up on pretty good deal on a used 2021 392 and ordered 2024 392 anvil sky roof/warn wench. I'm a fan of the upgrades:red powered seats, larger screen, grill and more important new side airbags for safety plus full warranty. I'm afraid to take a chance of them discontinuing the model after this year to wait for 2025. I have a scheduled date but no production yet hopefully not too long of a wait. Love the channel!
I was considering waiting on a '25, but I ran into a '24 392 on the lot someone ordered but got impatient and went elsewhere so I jumped on it. Now that I did, I'm almost sure they'll bring the Hurricane engine out now. 😂
Currently have a 2019 Wrangler Sahara, Bikini Pearl. Wanted to get a 24 Sahara with the Bikini Pearl colour. Went to our local dealership here in Canada and we were told that we could not order that colour, as it has been discontinued. That was on Dec 02 2023. Just showed my wife the Fuscia colour for the possibility of a 25 release and we like it. We are still currently searching for a 24 but may hold out if we can’t get the options we want
I tried getting a 2020 wrangler rubicon fully loaded MSRP window sticker was $55,000. My local dealership has it down to 36,000. I went to see what I could get for my Jeep and hopefully get this one because a Rubicon is my end all be all Jeep for me. Couldn’t do it because the interest rate that I have on my sport S right now is 4% and trading to this rubicon would have made it 10%. So I am just going to wait till interest rates come down and my credit score even better than what it is before I can get the Rubicon that I’ve always wanted. Thank you for all that you guys do and information you keep providing is always so helpful
I had been waiting for wireless Apple CarPlay to come to the Wrangler . . . and when that was added, along with the antenna removal and larger tires in the Willys, I was sold. I live in PA, and was going to wait until now to place the order, to try avoid driving it with road salt . . . but your strike video about price hike concerns convinced me to order it back at the beginning of October, and it arrived at the Dealer almost a month ago.
The 2024 colors aren't really inspiring to me, so I'll take my chances and wait a bit longer to see what comes out on the '25. If that harbor blue or that fuchsia color are really gonna happen I'd be kicking myself for not having the patience to wait. Hopefully the price doesn't hike up too much, but I guess waiting gives me time to save a bit more haha.
I have a 22 Rubicon 4Xe. Battery went bad, check engine light issues. Transmission oil modulator went bad. Trying to get Jeep to take it back and look at a gas engine, doesn't seem like too mcuh between 24/25 except color.
I've got a '21 Willys and it seems like it would run $8-10K more than what I paid for mine brand new to get the same in a '24 Willys. It's just not worth it.
Looking at a used 2024 392. Worried I won’t be able get new or order in based on your other video. May just wait till 25’ see what happens. Thanks for all you do for the brand.
Think one of your last points is what is the biggest unknown; how much more restrictive will it be to purchase ICE models? Seems like they are still committed to expanding the PHEV and BEV. The variety and availability of ICE models in the CARB states is tight and not getting better. Might look for incentives in Q1 and grab what I can before it is too late.
They upgraded the 2024 JL with a huge price upgrade as well. I don't think they will change anything for years , the only thing that they should change is a REAL hybrid engine with power and great fuel efficiency.
2014 JKUS.. recently had it serviced and the shop said it’s got no issues so I at least know right now it’s fair to keep going with it. But I’m wanting to at least test drive a newer model as I’m starting to just not enjoy the drive in it. With prices as they are I’ve now been looking into other makes and models just because I don’t have all this money to spend. Plus I’ve been increasingly needing more room to haul things so may go the truck route
I just tried to order a 24 rubicon, 4 door, manual and was told you can no longer get the 35in tire package on that model. Also tried to build out and order an X and was told they are on restrictions and cannot be ordered. At this point i think I'm going to wait for the 25 to come out.
Thanks for sharing Knightro. Very very timely as I’ve be debating a 23 rubicon gladiator due to the incentives. I can’t pull the trigger and sell my JK.
Pricing and interest rates are keeping me on the bench for a 24.. if I decide to buy a 4xe, it will depend on those combined factors. Wait to get a disconnect 24 after 25’s come out or, as you noted, see what upgrades are there in the 25 and hope interest rates come down. Thanks!
As someone who buys vehicles and keeps them forever. I am jumping on the 2023s. I have my H2s and H3s still to this very day and the last thing I need are two parts numbers instead of one. Case in point the ac vents on the 2018-2023 wrangler over 2024 interior ac vents and of course the higher cost of replacing the new windshield with an antenna and also I don’t want power seats. I love my 2020 bikini as is. All these extra features that I don’t need and will break and would rather just replace the factory stuff with companies I trust over Jeep. Already heard about the uconnect 5s failing and not even working in the 2024s
I’ve enjoyed the Wrangler 4xe for 2.5 years now, but now am contemplating the new Land Cruiser. I don’t off-road with it, but that doesn’t mean I won’t attempt it in the future. Rather, it’s that there are some safety features and creature comforts that I’d like to have, including heads up display and ventilated seats.
With pricing the way it is right now, it's really difficult to justify picking up a 24 Wrangler over a 23 Gladiator, unless you're planning on getting the 392. Dealers are selling $70k loaded Rubicon/Mojave models for $50k or under. My wife just traded in her JKU for a Gladiator, and says she loves it so much more and wishes she did it sooner. I had a 2018 JLU and traded mine in for a mojave gladiator. My dad had a 21 High Altitude and picked up 22 Rubicon Gladiator because of the Gobi color run. The current pricing really makes the 24 JL's a hard sell in comparison.
I watched this when it first came out and decided to wait for a 2025. You were very clear that 2025 could be released any day or it could be quite a while. What is you best guess now? I always look forward to your next episode.
I just tried to order a manual Willys 4door and order books closed for the manual for 2024. Kinda disappointed. Test drove one and by the time I called to buy it there was a deposit already down. Crossing my fingers they don’t drop the V6 and manual for 2025
How long do you expect order banks to remain open for the 2024s before they shut ordering down for that model year? Considering ordering one but still a little on the fence, but don't want to drag my feet too long.
I currently am leasing a 2021 4xe Rubicon, I plan to turn it in at the end of the lease and purchase a 2019-2021 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon in the 3.6L, 6-speed manual transmission variant. The 2024+ are ridiculously priced and I’m looking for reliability and serviceability long term.
It was really a blow to find a 392 20th in the color I wanted and discounted 7k after I bought a Rubicon just a few months ago, I just couldn't trade for it with the hit I would've taken and I was even taking into consideration the value of the 392 possibly increasing over time, but it was all put to rest when I went back and it was sold, so much for that.
Ordered a 2024 2 door willys in Yellow. I expect it won't be a common jeep with the color and the fact that its a manual. My worry with waiting for 2025 is that the manual transmission will be retired. I'm expecting my rig to show up in April.
I have a 23 Willys. I am still loving it. I was considering getting a ‘24 because of the side airbags and the wireless CarPlay, but I truly hate the gray cloth dash on the 24, so I’m just going to keep the 23 that I love. I do like that they took away the red dash on the Rubicon, but I don’t need a Rubicon. The Willys has everything I need.
I ordered and bought a 2023 392, waited 7 months for it. drove it 5000 miles in 6 months, had a blast, loved it. I actually sold it to Dan Cummins chevy in Paris KY, I'm hoping. for a 392 Gladiator, I know, probably not going to happen, since there are dealers like Performance. Jeep in Columbus selling them for 25% off of MSRP. I ended up buying myself a new Gladiator and my wife a new 2dr Wrangler. I will definitely be in line for a 392 Gladiator if that ever happens, ( as long as there is more then one choice of interior, that all Red is a BIG no for me.
@DIRTROADCRED color is why I am waiting. I have a black 2 door 20 right now, and I do like my black but getting the same color same model back to back is hard to swallow. With that said the only colors I would consider other than black would be Mojito Green, maybe Punkin Orange or I may go Granite which I would not expect that to disappear. But I really want Mojito Green. Any rumors that could come back in 25? Oh, I plan to do a Hellcat conversion to it, so I really do not care too much about drive train, although if they dumped a 400+ Hurricane into a 2 door 25 I may reconsider.
Is the eco diesel a good reliable engine? I know the 2023 is the last year of the engine, will it be serviced and parts easily found years from now or should I get a gas engine?
Hey there, love all the information you provide. I am interested in the 2024 392 in Anvil. I had the 2007JK with that 3.8 caravan motor. After 40,000 miles did a 5.7 Hemi transplant. Woke that baby up!! Can't beat the sound of the 392 and want to get one before they're gone. Trying to stall it off for a little while, possibly April/May. Listening to the information you provided, unsure, If I have to order one when that window closes. Thanks again, enjoy your channel
I currently own a 09 JKUR. Before this I had a 98 TJ. I love that the new JL in someway resembles that look of a TJ as a 2 door. Though these price hikes and interests rates did make me question if I should even go thru with my order. So far I have been leaning towards getting a TJ again. I am bummed out because I really do want to get that 2024 JLR 2 door. Also! I was looking at the MSRP of my 09 JKUR and saw that it was at 31k. This is insane to think that a fully decked out rubicon from then was 31k (Could be wrong and it may have been a bit more) but now a fully decked out rubicon touches 70k to 80k. This is assuming the rubicon x is the ultimate version you can get or the 392 an overly priced Jeep but its pretty neat. I am also probably going to stay with my 09 JKUR. I know my 3.8 is a dog but she does good in the rocks at least lol.
ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY BRIGHT RED OR DIFFERENT SHADES OF RED AVAILABLE? ALSO, WILL THERE BE A MODEL WITH MORE INTERIOR ROOM? I OWN A 2018 AND I LOVE IT BUT WISH THERE WAS MORE INTERIOR ROOM. THANKS, CAREY
My wife and I purchased a 2024 willys 4xe Bikini Peal on December 19th. I did send you an email about wanting to replace the rock rails for tubular side steps and what do you think the best option would be for this wrangler.
This isn't related but what are your thoughts on Jeep coming back with a new version of the 05 06 Jeep wrangler Unlimited 2 door or what they called the LJ? I would love it if they would bring that option back!
I would love to upgrade to 2024 Rubi JLU from my 2020 Rubi JLU just for the airbags as it is a daily driver however Silver body with the red dash that I have now laughs at any new 2024 dash/color combo.
My $.02…the ‘24 price increases were done on a transition model so that when the newest changes come, they can get a COLA adjustment or next to no increase and look like they’re listening to the market (and their dealers who are sitting on huge inventories). Unrelated question-Ryan’s rig looks much taller than a small 1.5” lift. Do I have the figures wrong? Is it actually more than that? Thx
I’m looking to trade in my 22 rubicon for a 24-25 Willys since it has rear lockers and off-road+. But I’m tired of swapping soft top in summer so I’m looking to get the sky one touch. I’m also interested in the 4xe but not sure if I wanna pay the $$ for electric 20miles
I got a 2022 Rubicon 4xe. I'm waiting to see if they put that Hurrican engine in a Wrangler, not Twin Turbo because that will be pricier. But I heard they discontinued the Cherokee which probably be replaced by the all-electric Jeep Recon.
I’m interested in your dealership affiliate program. Wanting to order a 2024 wrangler in tuscadero with the sky one touch. Supposedly the sky one touch will become available in late q2 in the tuscadero color
I'm debating a 24 or a 25 4xe. I am hoping for more range out of a 25... or a gladiator 4xe with decent range. I currently have a 2016 JKU and I'm excited to grab a 4xe. We have a Honda Clarity PHEV. Because of the way we drive, we go 3,500-4,000 miles between tanks of gas. It's great!
If you can drive 4,000 miles on electricity with a vehicle that has only 20 miles of electric range with one tank of gasoline, just imagine how far you could travel with an EV that has a 330 mile electric range. Ditch the tank. You haven't been taking any 2,000 mile road trips with the 4xe, or using much gas.
Yeah, if they offered a Gladiator Rubicon on 35's with a more powerful engine for towing I'd bite the bullet and jump on it even though the costs are insane. However, I don't think I'd want a hybrid (not that I don't think the 4xe is cool) because I'll keep whatever Jeep I buy for pretty much the rest of my life and having a simple drive train makes replacement for failing components much less expensive down the road. That 3.6 doesn't seem like it's well suited to tow a 3000lbs boat up more serious grades (but maybe I'm wrong???)
@dvader3263 I see your point, but I still like being able to use the existing infrastructure of Gas Stations for quick refueling. Usually we will do road trips where we drive up to 16 hours in a day. So, I like to be able to stop at a gas station for 10 minutes and get 300 more miles of range as opposed to having to charge. I'll definitely embrace the full EV as soon as I am comfortable with it. 🙂
2024 or 2025?!
You said they may open orders for 25s as late as Late August. Have you heard any updated information on the 25 orders release date?
2024 Took a HUGE Price increase in Canada! Ridiculous! So if they have another increase on the 2025, let them SIT on Chrysler/Jeeps Lots!!
Even mid-year. I bought a 2024 Rubicon that was $2K cheaper MSRP compared to what it would cost now!
This is already the case in Surrey, BC. A lot of 2024 models sitting on the lot.
That’s why I went with the diesel farout edition rubicon 2023.
NP mate 2023 Nov and Dec was good year for buying 2024. i got 6k off from msrp
Yeah, good luck getting it serviced as well. Diagnostic check fees for a problem you already know about on top of fixing the issue, sheesh!!!!
The prices of the current Wranglers are a f'ing joke and are alienating true fans. Jeep's CEO has said previous that he wants the brand to be a luxury brand, and that's where the pricing is going.
wranglers are piling up on dealership lots. No wonder with the insane prices
So I am 64 years old. I have had 2 YJ's (yes I am Canadian) 1 TJ a JK and now a 2022 JL. They have all been Sahara's till this one. I bought a new Rubicon in March of 22 and I really love this one. The reason I did buy this one was because I got a really good trade for my 2015. I am not going to upgrade this one for a few more years. It will be paid off in march and the cost of this one was high. I think this one will be here for a long time. Now I am not a high level off roader. I drive my jeeps because I feel safe in them, I love the roof off and doors off and they are awesome in the snow. But that is my 2 cents.
Don’t buy either/any of them until the insanity stops. My wife’s 2022 Rubicon 4XE (which she build and ordered 11/2021 and took delivery late 1/2022), as built was $65K. If you build it today with same options, it’s $73K. This afternoon I did a quick book value check (average trade in), it’s $43K (26,000 miles). Save your dollars, drive your current Jeep and let them and the rest of the manufacturers suffer for a bit.
As an avid off roader, the biggest upgrade for 2024 is the full float rear axle. As for me, I have a 2021 JT Mojave, I won't upgrade until a better engine is offered and the interest rates drop 😉
I’m still keeping my 2009 JKU. This Wrangler has taken me through Appalachian mountains, cross country, all over the Pacific Northwest, been my daily driver and still has plenty of life left. Each year, I take a look at the new models, but I haven’t been convinced yet that I need an upgrade.
Matt, I have been looking at purchasing my first ever Jeep for over a year now. I have been driving Ford pickups for years before this. I love the offroad capable features of the Wrangler Rubicon. i hesitate to jump in because the new prices are so high. Buying an old beater Jeep and running it into the ground is one thing, but buying a new $70,000 vehicle is another. I'm sold on the Wrangler but i got stuck between the 4XE or the ICE versions. So now I will wait to see what comes in 2025 before making a decision. I would love to see you guys get a 4XE and run it through it's paces and really let us know what you think about that platform. thx
jerry
I'm glad I got my 392 this year, 24. The price jump was hard to take (over 23), but the refreshes really helped daily driver ability. Most people are speculating the 392 is gone for 25 - we'll see...
Hope not..
The 392 has a huge profit margin. They sell everyone they produce in minutes. Even with the bs regulations from the government, the bottom line is all a company cares about .
i bit the bullet and decided to just factory order a 24. reason is because i wanted a V6. all dealerships that i could find had 4cyl.
2023 High Tide XR package. $62,000. I feel I have the best of everything. There is no need to replace it.
Old school guy (comment): I bought my 95 YJ in 97 and was just happy and still happy. Then I bough my 2018JLUR in 2019 and still happy. The interior as per their original design incorporates every previous jeep design in the wrangler and I think moving away from the original design as they did in the 2024 with that rectangle IMAX screen takes away from the interior. As for colors, I'm not hung up on that mess. Color is just a color, not worth it for me to change my jeep because of some special color. As for 4Xe, think it's cool, would like to have one in the future, but for me NO WAY I'm getting rid of my YJ or my nicely build 2018 JLUR. Oh and as for engines, I'm completely happy with the 3.6 and the 8 speed auto. I'm likely to put my money on an LJ instead of a 2025 JL.
4xe gets great milage and has way more power
Agree and understand that for sure.@@chrispomplun1511
I went in the opposite direction and went from a 24 JL 2 door Rubi to a 23 Gladiator Rubi. The deals are just too sick to pass up (67,000 dollar Jeep for 52 grand). And I gotta admit, I like the red dash and the 8.4 screen over the new 12.3 and gray dash. Oh and your little 2 door is looking really sweet.
@@Hannibalmiles8494 I’d question them on their numbers. I’ve seen some really good deals, but 23 grand off sticker. Sounds like they may have been bs-ing you a tad. Maybe not, but it doesn’t line up with any other deals I’ve seen all over the Midwest.
I agree with you on everything. Absolutely everything. I got a 23 gladiator 71k sticker and 18,300 off, thats employee pricing and the 15% off, first responder, and they gave me 500 under employee. No way is he getting 23k off.
Secondly, I don't like the 12.3 inch dash and getting rid of 2 circle vents for those garbage 2 under the big screen. They should have done a ram screen, more vertical and kept the two circle vents. Has more of a car vibe then jeep vibe now. Including the ugly grille the 24 has now of the mastery of the 18-23' grille. Jeep has really gone backwards on everything. Very sad. Including their crazy pricing.
How long did you have your 24 rubi before getting rid of it?
@@jeffreythomas4254 I picked it up 8/6. Has 6600 miles on it and the back up camera hasn’t worked since the day I picked it up. They can’t seem to fix for whatever reason. Oh and sometimes when I hit the defrost button it changes the song on the radio. They are putting the lift on my Gladiator today, so I should pick it up tomorrow.
How did you like the 12.3 all those months? Did you get a good resale on it?
What lift and tire package you go with? I know. All these questions lol. To me, gladiator is so much more practical over a wrangler. Idk why besides women I guess would choose a wrangler over a gladiator.
I bought my 2020 Gladiator with 54K miles about 7 months ago for $33K… it was the cheapest one around me for 300+ miles and I had to travel 45 minutes from where I live to make the deal… So I will be keeping mine and currently sitting at almost 58K miles…
Keep up the amazing work!! 👍
Ordered a '24 2 dr Willys in Anvil with the V6. Didn't want to chance Jeep pulling the V6, Anvil color, or downgrading the Willys package for '25. Willys package for '24 has a lot of goodies!
Awesome choice!
The JK Wrangler was only ever offered with one engine option. The JL has had 4 engine options not counting the e-torque versions. I can't imagine Jeep offering another engine option for the JL platform. It's already going to be a nightmare ordering parts for a JL in the future. The diesel is completely opposite from the air filter box to the muffler. The complexity is insane for a model that was at one time a very simple and effective offroad vehicle.
I think the biggest issue for me is manual. The manual 2door (my preference) is getting rare. I have a 2016 JK. I don’t think they totally drop the 2door. But may continue to reduce offerings. I could see them dropping manual. Especially if they drop the 6cyl. Since that’s the only way to get manual now.
I would like to delete the “giant flat screen” for a more nostalgic radio.
Or have a panel that folds over the dash to make it look better.
Big screen TV 😅
Wife and I just test drove the 4xe rubicon 24 and loved it! We have a 21 crosstrek with some offroad stuff wheels/tires but will not compare to a jeep on the trails and wanted to upgrade...I just don't know what to do we want to dive into some offroading but spending almost 80k is insane to scratch it up. Might keep the crosstrek and buy a older TJ 4.0 or something. I really have no idea what too do lol! I don't mind spending good money just want to keep the jeep in good condition and I know myself would send it. hahaha
I have a 2020 2 door Sport S and really like it. I hadn’t thought about replacing it but a 2024 2 door Willys is intriguing but probably not going to happen.
I have a 2024 4xe hybrid and love it. Only drawback is it doesn't go very far on electric and is still loud when running on gas like previous years. I offroad and the rear axle is phenominal.
Love my 21' 392, only regret is not getting the full float rear axle. The other recent upgrades are no big deal and I prefer the dash and screen that I have. She's my baby.
Got my 2 door High Velocity 2024 Wrangler Willys with all the bells and whistles. Absolutely love it. Took it 5 months. No regrets
Sick! Would love to see some photos
@@DIRTROADCRED I’ll post some on your website
Looked at a ‘24 Rubi X with RC package, $20k more than my very low mile loaded 21 High Altitude (I love the interior). Made me like mine much better, it’ll be paid off this year so let the fun begin.
GO VOLS!!!!
2023! Got a sick deal on my Rubicon 392. I don't like the 2024 updates (dash and grill). Now I'm WAY happy with the year/model I got.
Dash and grill do suck for the 24. What crazy deal did you get on the 392? Congrats bud.
At least the screen is bigger and better imagine buying a large car and the screen looks like a Mazdu screen !
I just picked up a heavily discounted 2023 Gladiator Rubicon, I didn’t feel as if they changed enough in the ‘24 to justify what they’re going to ask for them. I am looking forward to what they do with the 4xe (we also have a 4xe GC Trailhawk and LOVE IT), but it sounds like they’re going to totally revamp that system too in ‘25ish, so I’ll wait a while before looking to get one of those.
I still drive a 2008 JK since I bought it new at the dealership 16 years ago :)
I don’t think they’ve changed enough from my 2020 Gladiator Rubicon 3.6L to the 2024 model. If they come out with the hurricane engine with a minimum of 400hp I’d immediately put a deposit down but for now I’ll keep my supercharged 3.6 and if it blows I’ll figure out a way to put a 6.4 in it.
So very tempted to get a 2024 RubiX. I just really want the extra airbags, that new screen, and the one touch electric top. But my paid off 2019 MOAB with 45k miles feels so nice, love it, and paid off feels gooooood. I keep going down the rabbit hole on TH-cam and autotrader searches but then somehow talk myself back off the edge.
I got the 2023 gladiator. Best rebates, rather the pickup, love the 23 dash and grill. Jeep lost their jeep feel with the 24 interior and grill.
Spent a ton of money on my 21 JLUR. I’m in it for the long haul. Lift, 37s, stubby, bumpers, lighting.
I have a 2021 JLU Wrangler Sport EcoDiesel. I love it. I lifted it and went with 33 inch tires. I am not a rock crawler user. I am not an overland user. I use it to go for rides off highway in the desert on some easy to moderate trails. It is my only vehicle so I also use it to go to town and go out of state to visit family. I don't have a sway bar disconnect. I don't have lockers. I haven't seen a need for those features but may go for sway bar disconnect for a smoother off road ride. I have a lot of "lugging" power with the diesel. I hardly spin a tire going up some steep and rocky inclines about idle speed. I can go slowly down steep hills in 4L and barely touch the brake. With all that said my total cost with upgrades is less than $50,000. Why would I want to spend more for a new Wrangler when this one meets all my needs. I have 53,000 miles on it after 3 years. I am averaging 22 mpg. It has a lot of life left in it. So, no I am not going for a '24 or a '25.
The 392 is interesting I own a TJ that is set up fairly well, But this 4 door and take the family with almost 500 hp on tap......
Passed up on pretty good deal on a used 2021 392 and ordered 2024 392 anvil sky roof/warn wench. I'm a fan of the upgrades:red powered seats, larger screen, grill and more important new side airbags for safety plus full warranty. I'm afraid to take a chance of them discontinuing the model after this year to wait for 2025. I have a scheduled date but no production yet hopefully not too long of a wait. Love the channel!
I was considering waiting on a '25, but I ran into a '24 392 on the lot someone ordered but got impatient and went elsewhere so I jumped on it. Now that I did, I'm almost sure they'll bring the Hurricane engine out now. 😂
Currently have a 2019 Wrangler Sahara, Bikini Pearl. Wanted to get a 24 Sahara with the Bikini Pearl colour. Went to our local dealership here in Canada and we were told that we could not order that colour, as it has been discontinued. That was on Dec 02 2023. Just showed my wife the Fuscia colour for the possibility of a 25 release and we like it. We are still currently searching for a 24 but may hold out if we can’t get the options we want
I tried getting a 2020 wrangler rubicon fully loaded MSRP window sticker was $55,000. My local dealership has it down to 36,000. I went to see what I could get for my Jeep and hopefully get this one because a Rubicon is my end all be all Jeep for me. Couldn’t do it because the interest rate that I have on my sport S right now is 4% and trading to this rubicon would have made it 10%. So I am just going to wait till interest rates come down and my credit score even better than what it is before I can get the Rubicon that I’ve always wanted. Thank you for all that you guys do and information you keep providing is always so helpful
I had been waiting for wireless Apple CarPlay to come to the Wrangler . . . and when that was added, along with the antenna removal and larger tires in the Willys, I was sold. I live in PA, and was going to wait until now to place the order, to try avoid driving it with road salt . . . but your strike video about price hike concerns convinced me to order it back at the beginning of October, and it arrived at the Dealer almost a month ago.
The 2024 colors aren't really inspiring to me, so I'll take my chances and wait a bit longer to see what comes out on the '25. If that harbor blue or that fuchsia color are really gonna happen I'd be kicking myself for not having the patience to wait. Hopefully the price doesn't hike up too much, but I guess waiting gives me time to save a bit more haha.
I say buy them both. Safer investment then the stock market and way more fun.
I have a 22 Rubicon 4Xe. Battery went bad, check engine light issues. Transmission oil modulator went bad. Trying to get Jeep to take it back and look at a gas engine, doesn't seem like too mcuh between 24/25 except color.
Went with 2024 JL Willy’s unlimited!! 2.0. Lots of updates from my last 2018. Went with firecracker red !!!
I've got a '21 Willys and it seems like it would run $8-10K more than what I paid for mine brand new to get the same in a '24 Willys. It's just not worth it.
Too late.. I already bought the Rubicon 2024 here in Germany...🤷♀❤ and I could not be happier
Looking at a used 2024 392. Worried I won’t be able get new or order in based on your other video. May just wait till 25’ see what happens. Thanks for all you do for the brand.
Think one of your last points is what is the biggest unknown; how much more restrictive will it be to purchase ICE models? Seems like they are still committed to expanding the PHEV and BEV. The variety and availability of ICE models in the CARB states is tight and not getting better. Might look for incentives in Q1 and grab what I can before it is too late.
They upgraded the 2024 JL with a huge price upgrade as well.
I don't think they will change anything for years , the only thing that they should change is a REAL hybrid engine with power and great fuel efficiency.
2014 JKUS.. recently had it serviced and the shop said it’s got no issues so I at least know right now it’s fair to keep going with it. But I’m wanting to at least test drive a newer model as I’m starting to just not enjoy the drive in it. With prices as they are I’ve now been looking into other makes and models just because I don’t have all this money to spend. Plus I’ve been increasingly needing more room to haul things so may go the truck route
I just tried to order a 24 rubicon, 4 door, manual and was told you can no longer get the 35in tire package on that model. Also tried to build out and order an X and was told they are on restrictions and cannot be ordered. At this point i think I'm going to wait for the 25 to come out.
Thanks for sharing Knightro. Very very timely as I’ve be debating a 23 rubicon gladiator due to the incentives. I can’t pull the trigger and sell my JK.
Pricing and interest rates are keeping me on the bench for a 24.. if I decide to buy a 4xe, it will depend on those combined factors. Wait to get a disconnect 24 after 25’s come out or, as you noted, see what upgrades are there in the 25 and hope interest rates come down. Thanks!
As someone who buys vehicles and keeps them forever. I am jumping on the 2023s. I have my H2s and H3s still to this very day and the last thing I need are two parts numbers instead of one. Case in point the ac vents on the 2018-2023 wrangler over 2024 interior ac vents and of course the higher cost of replacing the new windshield with an antenna and also I don’t want power seats. I love my 2020 bikini as is. All these extra features that I don’t need and will break and would rather just replace the factory stuff with companies I trust over Jeep. Already heard about the uconnect 5s failing and not even working in the 2024s
I’ve enjoyed the Wrangler 4xe for 2.5 years now, but now am contemplating the new Land Cruiser. I don’t off-road with it, but that doesn’t mean I won’t attempt it in the future. Rather, it’s that there are some safety features and creature comforts that I’d like to have, including heads up display and ventilated seats.
Currently have a 19 JLU in sting gray waiting on a used 2024 XR to be available in my area.
With pricing the way it is right now, it's really difficult to justify picking up a 24 Wrangler over a 23 Gladiator, unless you're planning on getting the 392. Dealers are selling $70k loaded Rubicon/Mojave models for $50k or under. My wife just traded in her JKU for a Gladiator, and says she loves it so much more and wishes she did it sooner. I had a 2018 JLU and traded mine in for a mojave gladiator. My dad had a 21 High Altitude and picked up 22 Rubicon Gladiator because of the Gobi color run. The current pricing really makes the 24 JL's a hard sell in comparison.
I watched this when it first came out and decided to wait for a 2025. You were very clear that 2025 could be released any day or it could be quite a while. What is you best guess now? I always look forward to your next episode.
When do you think the 24 Gladiators will be on the website to tinker with a build? Do you think they'll even produce 24 glads at this point?
I just tried to order a manual Willys 4door and order books closed for the manual for 2024. Kinda disappointed. Test drove one and by the time I called to buy it there was a deposit already down. Crossing my fingers they don’t drop the V6 and manual for 2025
What is going on with the 2024 build program on jeep for gladiators
How long do you expect order banks to remain open for the 2024s before they shut ordering down for that model year? Considering ordering one but still a little on the fence, but don't want to drag my feet too long.
I currently am leasing a 2021
4xe Rubicon, I plan to turn it in at the end of the lease and purchase a 2019-2021 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon in the 3.6L, 6-speed manual transmission variant. The 2024+ are ridiculously priced and I’m looking for reliability and serviceability long term.
It was really a blow to find a 392 20th in the color I wanted and discounted 7k after I bought a Rubicon just a few months ago, I just couldn't trade for it with the hit I would've taken and I was even taking into consideration the value of the 392 possibly increasing over time, but it was all put to rest when I went back and it was sold, so much for that.
Ordered a 2024 2 door willys in Yellow. I expect it won't be a common jeep with the color and the fact that its a manual. My worry with waiting for 2025 is that the manual transmission will be retired. I'm expecting my rig to show up in April.
I have a 2020 Gladiator Rubicon and I haven’t seen any reason to get a newer one at this point.
I want the 392 in the Gladiator. Probably not going to happen though. What do you think?
Not a chance. Unfortunately.
I have a 23 Willys. I am still loving it. I was considering getting a ‘24 because of the side airbags and the wireless CarPlay, but I truly hate the gray cloth dash on the 24, so I’m just going to keep the 23 that I love. I do like that they took away the red dash on the Rubicon, but I don’t need a Rubicon. The Willys has everything I need.
I ordered and bought a 2023 392, waited 7 months for it. drove it 5000 miles in 6 months, had a blast, loved it. I actually sold it to Dan Cummins chevy in Paris KY, I'm hoping. for a 392 Gladiator, I know, probably not going to happen, since there are dealers like Performance. Jeep in Columbus selling them for 25% off of MSRP. I ended up buying myself a new Gladiator and my wife a new 2dr Wrangler. I will definitely be in line for a 392 Gladiator if that ever happens, ( as long as there is more then one choice of interior, that all Red is a BIG no for me.
Unfortunately 392 glad will never happen
@DIRTROADCRED color is why I am waiting. I have a black 2 door 20 right now, and I do like my black but getting the same color same model back to back is hard to swallow. With that said the only colors I would consider other than black would be Mojito Green, maybe Punkin Orange or I may go Granite which I would not expect that to disappear. But I really want Mojito Green. Any rumors that could come back in 25? Oh, I plan to do a Hellcat conversion to it, so I really do not care too much about drive train, although if they dumped a 400+ Hurricane into a 2 door 25 I may reconsider.
Is the eco diesel a good reliable engine? I know the 2023 is the last year of the engine, will it be serviced and parts easily found years from now or should I get a gas engine?
I ordered my 2024 in July of 2023. It’s now January 2024 it still hasn’t been scheduled for production.
I'm on the fence really want to buy a wrangler just don't know if it'll be able to pull my boat
I have a 17' Recon 2 door Manual.. Looking at ordering Rubi X 24' on the fence.. thanks for the insight..
No problem 👍
I'll be waiting for 25 since my current lease isn't up till next January... but, if there's a good deal on a 24 I'll definitely go for that instead.
Hey there, love all the information you provide. I am interested in the 2024 392 in Anvil. I had the 2007JK with that 3.8 caravan motor. After 40,000 miles did a 5.7 Hemi transplant. Woke that baby up!! Can't beat the sound of the 392 and want to get one before they're gone. Trying to stall it off for a little while, possibly April/May. Listening to the information you provided, unsure, If I have to order one when that window closes. Thanks again, enjoy your channel
We have a contact form on our website. We can give you a more detailed answer there!
I currently own a 09 JKUR. Before this I had a 98 TJ. I love that the new JL in someway resembles that look of a TJ as a 2 door. Though these price hikes and interests rates did make me question if I should even go thru with my order. So far I have been leaning towards getting a TJ again. I am bummed out because I really do want to get that 2024 JLR 2 door.
Also! I was looking at the MSRP of my 09 JKUR and saw that it was at 31k. This is insane to think that a fully decked out rubicon from then was 31k (Could be wrong and it may have been a bit more) but now a fully decked out rubicon touches 70k to 80k. This is assuming the rubicon x is the ultimate version you can get or the 392 an overly priced Jeep but its pretty neat.
I am also probably going to stay with my 09 JKUR. I know my 3.8 is a dog but she does good in the rocks at least lol.
Wish they would bring back the Nacho or Baja yellow. The yellow they have now looks like a yellow highlighter.
Fingers crossed!
Aloha Matt. I hope that the pricing doesn't become extremely expensive. Yet, I'm looking for the sale and affordability. I'll wait for the 2025.
ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY BRIGHT RED OR DIFFERENT SHADES OF RED AVAILABLE? ALSO, WILL THERE BE A MODEL WITH MORE INTERIOR ROOM? I OWN A 2018 AND I LOVE IT BUT WISH THERE WAS MORE INTERIOR ROOM. THANKS, CAREY
Thanks for the video. I'm planning to order the 2025 model. So Which month I would expect to see the 2025 built icon on Jeep website?
I wonder why Jeep wont offer a 6spd manual with the 35 inch wheel package
I had the 23 upgraded to the 24 4xE I’m not in love with the 4xE I’m thinking maybe 25 but I’m not sure if the will have the V6
My wife and I purchased a 2024 willys 4xe Bikini Peal on December 19th. I did send you an email about wanting to replace the rock rails for tubular side steps and what do you think the best option would be for this wrangler.
Been waiting for that hurricane engine!
Same!
Have it been a back order on the one touch sky roof ?
why do you never mention the transmission options? will 2025 still have a manual trans available ?
Nothing to mention. Haven’t heard anything but the 2025 final edition
This isn't related but what are your thoughts on Jeep coming back with a new version of the 05 06 Jeep wrangler Unlimited 2 door or what they called the LJ? I would love it if they would bring that option back!
That would be cool if they did!
I would love to upgrade to 2024 Rubi JLU from my 2020 Rubi JLU just for the airbags as it is a daily driver however Silver body with the red dash that I have now laughs at any new 2024 dash/color combo.
My $.02…the ‘24 price increases were done on a transition model so that when the newest changes come, they can get a COLA adjustment or next to no increase and look like they’re listening to the market (and their dealers who are sitting on huge inventories).
Unrelated question-Ryan’s rig looks much taller than a small 1.5” lift. Do I have the figures wrong? Is it actually more than that? Thx
I love my 2023 Rubicon 3.0L diesel. Yes, it was expensive, and no, I won’t be upgrading any time soon.
Just got the 23 and was the best choice!
Congrats!
I’m looking to trade in my 22 rubicon for a 24-25 Willys since it has rear lockers and off-road+. But I’m tired of swapping soft top in summer so I’m looking to get the sky one touch. I’m also interested in the 4xe but not sure if I wanna pay the $$ for electric 20miles
I got a 2022 Rubicon 4xe. I'm waiting to see if they put that Hurrican engine in a Wrangler, not Twin Turbo because that will be pricier. But I heard they discontinued the Cherokee which probably be replaced by the all-electric Jeep Recon.
When is the cargo cover coming back in stock?
I picked up at rubicon x in canada for 91000 dollars the price increase for 24 was just carzy ,i cant imagine any more price increase for 25 models
I’m interested in your dealership affiliate program. Wanting to order a 2024 wrangler in tuscadero with the sky one touch. Supposedly the sky one touch will become available in late q2 in the tuscadero color
Looking at a base sport 24 to build out. I don’t really anticipate something I want different coming in 25.
do it!
I'm debating a 24 or a 25 4xe. I am hoping for more range out of a 25... or a gladiator 4xe with decent range. I currently have a 2016 JKU and I'm excited to grab a 4xe. We have a Honda Clarity PHEV. Because of the way we drive, we go 3,500-4,000 miles between tanks of gas. It's great!
If you can drive 4,000 miles on electricity with a vehicle that has only 20 miles of electric range with one tank of gasoline, just imagine how far you could travel with an EV that has a 330 mile electric range. Ditch the tank. You haven't been taking any 2,000 mile road trips with the 4xe, or using much gas.
With you there!
Yeah, if they offered a Gladiator Rubicon on 35's with a more powerful engine for towing I'd bite the bullet and jump on it even though the costs are insane. However, I don't think I'd want a hybrid (not that I don't think the 4xe is cool) because I'll keep whatever Jeep I buy for pretty much the rest of my life and having a simple drive train makes replacement for failing components much less expensive down the road. That 3.6 doesn't seem like it's well suited to tow a 3000lbs boat up more serious grades (but maybe I'm wrong???)
@dvader3263 I see your point, but I still like being able to use the existing infrastructure of Gas Stations for quick refueling. Usually we will do road trips where we drive up to 16 hours in a day. So, I like to be able to stop at a gas station for 10 minutes and get 300 more miles of range as opposed to having to charge. I'll definitely embrace the full EV as soon as I am comfortable with it. 🙂
I got a 2024 4xe and plan to change with the new gen in 2028. I really want the all electric with the range extending generator
The 3.8 was great motor just underpowered for a Jeep. I spent 20 plus years with Jeep so not sure where you get your info.