Thank you- I recently returned to my gym pickle ball club after 8 months living/playing in a very competitive PB area of the country and discovered that the 3.5's here are really just banging the ball at each other (talking mixed doubles). This really helped me make the adjustment! PS: subscribed when I saw you on Pickleball Summit 2022. Great presentation!
Patience is a virtue with out balls. I try to keep my team mate aware that you do NOT want to LMB the ball “LARGE MOUTH BASS”, If it is shoulder high and movin’ by LET IT GO! More times than not you will win the point if you have patience… Great video tips. Thank you!
Good stuff. Watching where the opponent is hitting from can be a good indicator of whether the ball is going long or not. The yellow ball, hit hard has a good chance of going out. Red, definately.
Thank you for the valuable tips. Making solid contact to keep the ball low especially at the feet is the high percentage shot. It's true it's harder when both teams are at NVZ. In that case middle can be the better target so anticipating hard shot is key but a challenge to implement.
Thanks for the Banger video. One problem I am trying to overcome with bangers on serve and hard returns are low hard shots with spin that stay down and skid. I’ve tried staying low and moving in to catch after 1st contact and backing up to give more time. Keeping eye on ball to paddle etc. Some of these guys seem to generate power and effortlessly. Kinetic chain,I know, but it’s hard for me to see it coming, although I know it is. I am a the place where I can hit a deep high loopy return. Survival! Any ideas?
Question, your stance, not very low. Would you bend your knees more when playing singles against a banger? Or do yo stay higher against a tennis background vs say table tennis? Thank you!
How come they are only playing on one side of the court? i know its singles but both sides are in play right? I usually try to aim my balls to the left and then right and keep alternating to get my opponent running.
How about returning really powerful serves? All I ever seem to be able to do is slow it down and it usually pops up. This is video was great thank you!
I'm always surprised to see bangers bc they're so easily neutralized if you know the correct defense. I guess they feel like they can overpower the other side but they really can't
I love to play against bangers. In fact I taunt them..lol! I use physics to beat them. The easiest points from 'flying out' points BUT against a higher rank player it will be different approach. You are right bangers love pop up floats, this gives their partner the follow up put away shot. ( Shake n bake).
So in the intro it shows bangers by the opposing side when they are up at the kitchen and hitting to the feet of the opponent. I expected some examples of this but alas none. Maybe in a future video, this can be covered?
The whole show them toir watch cue and block to the backhand ** not just the feet* flicked a light bulb on in my head". Shouder high n let it fly." Hello. Thats awesome. Thank u
The #1 weapon against bangers that you need to work on is reset...reset...reset. Have a partner stand in the transition zone and nail balls at you and work on blocking them back down into the kitchen. Also get an idea at what height on your body to let balls go. Usually if a banger hits a ball hard up to my shoulders it's going to go out. If I'm in the transition zone then it's my waist. The best part is the more you frustrate a banger the harder they try to hit and the more mistakes they will make.
The shake and bake guys would have a field day with your blocks, believe me. Better to hold the paddle absolutely still against your body, and it drops in the kitchen
Before play starts, knowing I'm going up against a banger or bangers, I will ask my partner to watch where ball lands behind each other because I will 'let it fly' 60% against bangers. I will tell them when the player hitting that drive is around transition zone, chances are that hard drive will 75% be OUT, so keep an eye.
The problem is NOT drives from the baseline, which you are showing. The problem is shootouts at the kitchen line. HOW to tame bullets from the kitchen? Cannot force a dinking battle because the Shootout at the OK Corral can't be stopped!
Banging is the way to go lol. Pickleball already is a lil dull as it is and I never got the dink back and forth even tho there is room to smash it or place the ball. But no let’s both get up at net and pass it to each other
It may be different where you play, but where I am I rarely encounter bangers. There are a lot of drivers, maybe 20 drivers for every banger. And tactics to play against drivers is very different from bangers. Maybe you're lumping drivers and bangers into one category?
I'm a B/C at racquetball and an A/B at ping-pong. The strongest part of my game is backhand grip "blocking/dink/return" so bangers hate me. Go practice on a ping-pong table to get the quick, flat-aspect racket speed you need.
Been there, done that. Had days when I could do no wrong and the next day couldn’t hardly buy a point. I’ve learned to go back to fundamentals on bad days. Some days you are just in the groove! Others, not so.
I play badminton, pingpong, and tennis since teenager. Now playing pickleball, I definitely am a banger because of "muscle memories" and quick reflexes. Is it bad being a banger in pickleball because of my old habits?
@@PickleballKitchen I do smash the ball like badminton bird or pingpong and scored them. It's working for me but I can see the frustration of my opponent. He kept yelling it's soft ball sport, girl 🤦♀️
@@heavenlypickler To my understanding as you begin to play people with more skill just banging it will not work. They will be very good at blocking, so you will need to mix it up and learn the third shot drop. Until then, bang all you want. It's not your fault the other player is not good enough yet to handle it.
I played a little collegiate tennis many years ago, mainly doubles, and have played a lot of ping pong, so I think I come across like you do to the opponents. I was recently referred to as a banger, which really isn't my play style, in my opinion. If they make it to the kitchen line I generally hit third shot drops, but if they're back I do hit drives to keep them back. I don't think that makes me a true banger. So what did I do when I was called out? Not too much differently, other than using that knowledge to make more unpredictable shots. I hit more offensive lobs and drop shots when opponents were not at the kitchen line. Misdirection was a bit easier with that knowledge, as they were more often expecting hard volleys and drives. Maybe I should have mentioned I play Texas Hold 'em, too, hahah!
If the “banger” is a tennis player this won’t help much. Tennis players drill half volleys every day. The REAL solution to deal with pace, is not to try to exclusively play junk ball. Being a junk baller will be effective at lower levels just like tennis. But you need to be able to handle pace and re-direct it back. If you’re taking a shot with a lot of pace that’s a lot less energy you have to put I to your shot. It is vital to learn how to hit over the ball with topspin to do this if you are really looking to advance. Dinking is going to go away, sorry
Lol. Playing a former D1 player in tennis in pickle ball , no there really is nothing you can do unless you yourself are a former college player. I love all these “professional “ pickle ball coaches now. You block that shot back like that it will be coming back even faster. Don’t forget to duck!
Facts. Yessss someone else noticed. If you block d1 tennis players or even good hs player from tennis, those blocks he did are coming back faster. Especially popping the ball that high up on the block. The only way to stop good tennis players is play doubles and don’t hit to them lol. Or use dink game and make sure ball bounces in kitchen while being low
I'd like to see some video of the opposite player, what do they look like when they are about to forehand drive, backhand slice, etc. Use slow motion and pause the vid to best guess where it's going and how fast.
I totally agree. The bangers I play with hit the ball so hard and fast you can hardly see it til it's to late. This video is just normal play, for me anyway
Thank you- I recently returned to my gym pickle ball club after 8 months living/playing in a very competitive PB area of the country and discovered that the 3.5's here are really just banging the ball at each other (talking mixed doubles). This really helped me make the adjustment! PS: subscribed when I saw you on Pickleball Summit 2022. Great presentation!
The bangers I play with (occasionally) hit way harder than that. What do you do when they are banging from closer to the kitchen line?
Very well illustrated tips. Great job!
Thank you and it's good to see you around here again.
Excellent video! I hope to use this on my next pickleball day
i cant stop looking at all the nice houses in the background
Appreciated the advise, this helps a lot. Be calm to bangers and aim for the their feet 🦶
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! It's like you are reading my mind. This is one of the biggest problems I face. Excellent examples.
Patience is a virtue with out balls. I try to keep my team mate aware that you do NOT want to LMB the ball “LARGE MOUTH BASS”, If it is shoulder high and movin’ by LET IT GO! More times than not you will win the point if you have patience… Great video tips. Thank you!
Virtue : ))
Thank you so very much for your advise and your video! Cannot wait to try it in my next game.
My pleasure! Please let me know how it goes!
Great tips. Although I am fast I seem to be out of position. These tips seem to be a great fix. Thank you..
Good stuff. Watching where the opponent is hitting from can be a good indicator of whether the ball is going long or not. The yellow ball, hit hard has a good chance of going out. Red, definately.
Good advice, good video. I'll attempt to utilize some of these techniques. Thanks
Thank you for the valuable tips. Making solid contact to keep the ball low especially at the feet is the high percentage shot. It's true it's harder when both teams are at NVZ. In that case middle can be the better target so anticipating hard shot is key but a challenge to implement.
Thanks for the Banger video. One problem I am trying to overcome with bangers on serve and hard returns are low hard shots with spin that stay down and skid. I’ve tried staying low and moving in to catch after 1st contact and backing up to give more time. Keeping eye on ball to paddle etc. Some of these guys seem to generate power and effortlessly. Kinetic chain,I know, but it’s hard for me to see it coming, although I know it is. I am a the place where I can hit a deep high loopy return. Survival! Any ideas?
I understand. What errors are you making in particular?
Really helpful, thanks😊
You're welcome 😊
What shoes were you wearing Sir.
Thanks for the tips!
Question, your stance, not very low. Would you bend your knees more when playing singles against a banger? Or do yo stay higher against a tennis background vs say table tennis? Thank you!
Sounds like this tips could apply to any situation.
How come they are only playing on one side of the court? i know its singles but both sides are in play right? I usually try to aim my balls to the left and then right and keep alternating to get my opponent running.
Great info! Many thanks.
I love how teach, I can so understand what you are teaching because I am a banger and I want to stop
How about returning really powerful serves? All I ever seem to be able to do is slow it down and it usually pops up. This is video was great thank you!
Great info! Thanks for sharing 🏓🏓🏓
Thanks for your content - Which video has the rules of Pickle ball for beginners
My pleasure, thank you for watching. You can find some rules here: th-cam.com/video/-vdHeh3Tftk/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the video. Very helpful
Excellent instruction video!
👊🔥👊
Thanks!
I'm always surprised to see bangers bc they're so easily neutralized if you know the correct defense. I guess they feel like they can overpower the other side but they really can't
I love to play against bangers. In fact I taunt them..lol! I use physics to beat them. The easiest points from 'flying out' points BUT against a higher rank player it will be different approach. You are right bangers love pop up floats, this gives their partner the follow up put away shot. ( Shake n bake).
How should you react to a high log with your opponent going to slam it?
I always enjoy your videos. How do you like the warrior paddle?
Thanks for watching. It's pretty good, but it does have durability issues with the edgeguard. I'll be putting out a review soon.
Me a banger learning y'all's strategies
Do you ever switch hands if you have to stretch out to get a dink
This is one of his best!
Thanks!
So in the intro it shows bangers by the opposing side when they are up at the kitchen and hitting to the feet of the opponent. I expected some examples of this but alas none. Maybe in a future video, this can be covered?
Very valuable tips indeed.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks..... that helped.
The whole show them toir watch cue and block to the backhand ** not just the feet* flicked a light bulb on in my head". Shouder high n let it fly." Hello. Thats awesome. Thank u
The #1 weapon against bangers that you need to work on is reset...reset...reset. Have a partner stand in the transition zone and nail balls at you and work on blocking them back down into the kitchen. Also get an idea at what height on your body to let balls go. Usually if a banger hits a ball hard up to my shoulders it's going to go out. If I'm in the transition zone then it's my waist. The best part is the more you frustrate a banger the harder they try to hit and the more mistakes they will make.
Approximately what is your height?
The shake and bake guys would have a field day with your blocks, believe me. Better to hold the paddle absolutely still against your body, and it drops in the kitchen
Thanks!
Wow, thank you very much for the tip! For some reason TH-cam doesn't notify me of this. Thanks a lot!
Yea
I try to stay calm and at the same time don't want to get hit in the face lol . I've been stepping away and alot of shots are going out now.
Your paddle was not angled down but rather up about 10 degrees on most of your shots.
Before play starts, knowing I'm going up against a banger or bangers, I will ask my partner to watch where ball lands behind each other because I will 'let it fly' 60% against bangers. I will tell them when the player hitting that drive is around transition zone, chances are that hard drive will 75% be OUT, so keep an eye.
How do you deal with a banger when you’ve given them a lob and they’re gonna hit it back to you? Do you back up or do you stand your ground?
back up!
What about on your serve ?
don't you use the buggy whip forehand in this sport?
The problem is NOT drives from the baseline, which you are showing. The problem is shootouts at the kitchen line. HOW to tame bullets from the kitchen? Cannot force a dinking battle because the Shootout at the OK Corral can't be stopped!
I totally agree. The RaeAL game happens with bangers when BOTH teams are at the kitchen and the real banging happens.
Banging is the way to go lol. Pickleball already is a lil dull as it is and I never got the dink back and forth even tho there is room to smash it or place the ball. But no let’s both get up at net and pass it to each other
All right
Great JoB
Why you need to aim for opponents feet vs hitting passing shot away from opponent? Ive never played pickebsll only raquetball so newbie question
Understand their history? What, am I interviewing my opponent, before I play them? LOL!
You in LF?
Love. The knee highs
Compression socks feel great, try them!
It may be different where you play, but where I am I rarely encounter bangers. There are a lot of drivers, maybe 20 drivers for every banger. And tactics to play against drivers is very different from bangers. Maybe you're lumping drivers and bangers into one category?
Garret doing something again!
I'm a B/C at racquetball and an A/B at ping-pong. The strongest part of my game is backhand grip "blocking/dink/return" so bangers hate me. Go practice on a ping-pong table to get the quick, flat-aspect racket speed you need.
I just got home from pickle ball and I'm so frustrated 😠 😡 Yesterday I played well and today I sucked horrible!
Been there, done that. Had days when I could do no wrong and the next day couldn’t hardly buy a point. I’ve learned to go back to fundamentals on bad days. Some days you are just in the groove! Others, not so.
We just started playing ... love this video ... VERY helpful ... makes sense ... SUBSCRIBED!!
I play badminton, pingpong, and tennis since teenager. Now playing pickleball, I definitely am a banger because of "muscle memories" and quick reflexes. Is it bad being a banger in pickleball because of my old habits?
No, it’s only bad if it’s not working! If it’s working then please keep doing it!
@@PickleballKitchen I do smash the ball like badminton bird or pingpong and scored them. It's working for me but I can see the frustration of my opponent. He kept yelling it's soft ball sport, girl 🤦♀️
@@heavenlypickler To my understanding as you begin to play people with more skill just banging it will not work. They will be very good at blocking, so you will need to mix it up and learn the third shot drop. Until then, bang all you want. It's not your fault the other player is not good enough yet to handle it.
@@ChuitoNitemare26 Absolutely, I am taking classes about 10 months now and learn lots from my coach. Never enough learning 😁.
I played a little collegiate tennis many years ago, mainly doubles, and have played a lot of ping pong, so I think I come across like you do to the opponents. I was recently referred to as a banger, which really isn't my play style, in my opinion. If they make it to the kitchen line I generally hit third shot drops, but if they're back I do hit drives to keep them back. I don't think that makes me a true banger. So what did I do when I was called out? Not too much differently, other than using that knowledge to make more unpredictable shots. I hit more offensive lobs and drop shots when opponents were not at the kitchen line. Misdirection was a bit easier with that knowledge, as they were more often expecting hard volleys and drives. Maybe I should have mentioned I play Texas Hold 'em, too, hahah!
Still trying the Diadem Warrior?
Sort of. These were all recorded at the same time. The review of this paddle is coming up next week.
Connie stop flirting. 😜🤪
@@jimmcmaster6227 I just can't help it even though he is young enough to be my son!
@@connieupshaw9545 aaaah, just a big flirt. Got it. 😜
@@jimmcmaster6227 caught!
If the “banger” is a tennis player this won’t help much. Tennis players drill half volleys every day.
The REAL solution to deal with pace, is not to try to exclusively play junk ball. Being a junk baller will be effective at lower levels just like tennis. But you need to be able to handle pace and re-direct it back. If you’re taking a shot with a lot of pace that’s a lot less energy you have to put I to your shot. It is vital to learn how to hit over the ball with topspin to do this if you are really looking to advance.
Dinking is going to go away, sorry
Lol. Playing a former D1 player in tennis in pickle ball , no there really is nothing you can do unless you yourself are a former college player. I love all these “professional “ pickle ball coaches now. You block that shot back like that it will be coming back even faster. Don’t forget to duck!
Facts. Yessss someone else noticed. If you block d1 tennis players or even good hs player from tennis, those blocks he did are coming back faster. Especially popping the ball that high up on the block. The only way to stop good tennis players is play doubles and don’t hit to them lol. Or use dink game and make sure ball bounces in kitchen while being low
I'd like to see some video of the opposite player, what do they look like when they are about to forehand drive, backhand slice, etc. Use slow motion and pause the vid to best guess where it's going and how fast.
Most bangers cannot do that for too long. They will attack your partner when they figured out they cannot get pass you so both must be equally alert.
Umm if the ball is high you be bangin'. Unless they are deep and you are not or whatever. SMASH! :-)
What is a banger? You never say, would have helped the video if you led with that right at the beginning.
Try that with me and you will get a Franklin Tattoo real quick!
Those vollies your friend was hitting to you were not challenging.
sTaY CaLm
playing against a psycho tennis banger with a vendetta
This must be the 3.0 banger version.
Those are not hard hitting shots no speed at all…,
I totally agree. The bangers I play with hit the ball so hard and fast you can hardly see it til it's to late. This video is just normal play, for me anyway
But the principles are the same
Nice pracrice drill speed. So they can practice this but in reality balls a lot faster and guys i play with a lot lower. We aim at the tape
Towards the end of the video they get faster?
Exactly…a guy I play with hits it so much harder than that….he’s one of the only ones I have a hard time defending against.
Sure not for nothing but your friend isn't banging anything .Go to Vegas and play a guy named Ray Sanchez then you'll find out what a banger is
You need someone who can hit the ball 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
why are you invading tennis courts? get your own
Those aren't tennis courts, they are pickleball courts. Notice that they are smaller. Geesh.
Are you mad? Stay mad 💁🏽♂️
You can't take advice from someone who wears shorts and socks like that clearly they have no clue !!!!!
You can't predict my shots. I'm from tennis and if your not you can't beat me.
Awesome video. Thank you!
Thanks!
Thank you very much! That's very kind of you.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the tip!