I don't think I have seen a more well thought out and simple to digest tutorial of our incredibly complex systems. Even today the systems makes my head spin. Thank you so much for the kind words and appreciation for the work, I am sure the other devs would be really happy to hear their work is appreciated. - SnazzyDuckling, Former Post Scriptum Community Manager
An entire year spent on this system just goes to show how refined tank combat is. Thank you for this and I hope your video gets the attention of everyone including the devs.
Wait APDS has a more likely chance for ricochet? Why? Also in real life, it was found the HE filler in APHE had little to no effect for less overall penetration. At least this is what tests concluded.
IRL tank crews bail out the moment their tanks get penetrated rather than fighting to the death. BUT in squad 44 most people don't ever bail unless a part is broken and needs repairs quickly. So APHE does matter more in some cases were you need more spall not just pen. APDS has a higher chance to ricochet on somewhat sloped surface probably due to balancing idk.
@ HE filler was found to not be all that much more effective if at all vs solid AP. Not because “Crews Bail Out Syndrome”. But they did field tests. Dummies don’t bail. Not to mention I’ve seen Sherman crews bail out from Tiger and Panther hits. If HE filler was that much of a god like it is in game. They’d never survive that. Overall, for balancing reason. APHE needs a nerf for a meta shake up or something… Edit: Wrong game I’m speaking about lol. But most of what I said applies.
It actually does work very well. The thing most players don't understand is that you need to press and HOLD it. If you press mouse 1 several times, it doesn't work. As for the full footage, all sources are posted in the description!
None of the mechanics for tanks themselves have changed with the new update, so everything from this video is still relevant! Just more tanks to play around with now.
A slight correction, one of the modders has let me know that as far as they know, theres no set armour values for engine blocks themselves. That being said, they still stop rounds and spalling as if they do have a value, so there's really no difference ingame.
First song is March of the Britons from CoH1. th-cam.com/video/CAl4-XIbC-A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EWS3QGNpr7ULNNvx My god that game's OST is still a banger after all these years..
fact of the matter is the armor system is fucked yesterday i shot a tiger 1 going down the road i was on 4 times in the ass with no angle at all it then proceeded to turn around and kill my firefly in one shot today a fucking puma survived 5 rounds from our pershing as it was circling us and then it one shot us from the front then we came up to it in a jackson and hit it 3 times again and the only thing that saved us was that our commander had jumped out and gotten on the outside 50 cal and that actually destroyed the puma in about 25 rounds armor system is not realistic and very buggy, sadly, squad 44 is the only real ww2 game where you can play a realistic tank experience
@@tavish4699 the puma has some pretty big bugs with its side armour eating rounds, so that doesn't surprise me. A lot of bugs still exist from our year long abandonment so it's a wip As for the tiger, it's important to remember shooting the rear won't do anything after the first couple shots, because your shell and spall is being eaten by the engine block. Once you disable the engine, your best off trying a side shot or a shot to the back of the turret.
@@agreenarrow yea i know what you wrote about the tiger, the problem was that our 17 ounder shells didnt even disable the engine it just turned around and killed us
@@Sebmundo You must be in an armour squad, and then fine the hatch for your position. Also, I'd recommend you test tanks on a server, tanks don't function well on singleplayer
It has similar mechanics yes, Both games attempt to model real life. Warthunder does so in a much more arcadey way however, where every round has potential to one hit kill. Squad 44 is more realistic in that the amount of damage caused by a hit depends on the size of the shell and the type used.
I'd argue it's more realistic. Tank doesn't combust upon crew death. It's more interactive. The tank crewmen are actually real people. You have to get out of the tank to repair and extinguish. You don't just recruit a random tank crewman from the nearby village when you lose one, you have to go without one or go back to a spawnpoint and retrieve your old one.
Squad44 realistic? Not so much. During Market Garden there was NO allied armour north of the Rhine. And also NO US troops. The game should respect that.
@@klassieker2834 Market garden maps have over 50 layers, not every one of them needs to be historically accurate in my opinion. It's fine to have a little fun, especially when the majority are historically accurate
@@basedindividual5990 warthunder and gunnerheatpc are definitely up there, but HLL's system is incredibly basic. Back when I played you could kill tigers by shooting them in the tracks.
I don't think I have seen a more well thought out and simple to digest tutorial of our incredibly complex systems. Even today the systems makes my head spin. Thank you so much for the kind words and appreciation for the work, I am sure the other devs would be really happy to hear their work is appreciated. - SnazzyDuckling, Former Post Scriptum Community Manager
Oh my god, thank you so much. You have no idea how much of a compliment that is!
SNAZZY!!! We will always love you mate!
Hey, you want a Ryzen 7 7800X3D?? lol
An entire year spent on this system just goes to show how refined tank combat is. Thank you for this and I hope your video gets the attention of everyone including the devs.
One other thing a lot of ppl don't know, is that you need to press and *hold* for the fire extinguisher to work
This is great! Thank you. I've been re-entering S44 and when I am not a medic, I tank. This is a huge help. ❤
Super cool video beanie boo very in depth and well thought out
DREW!!!!!! 😁🪖
I love how I saw you and Snaz here!
Welldone. U just convinced a new player to start trying out tanks
Well explained video! Definitely clears a lot up and makes me understand so much in so little time. Keep doing what you do Bean :)
Those who were familiar with War Thunder Simulator battles of WW2 tanks would be having a field day with extra realism being on the gunner seat.
Wait APDS has a more likely chance for ricochet? Why? Also in real life, it was found the HE filler in APHE had little to no effect for less overall penetration. At least this is what tests concluded.
IRL tank crews bail out the moment their tanks get penetrated rather than fighting to the death. BUT in squad 44 most people don't ever bail unless a part is broken and needs repairs quickly. So APHE does matter more in some cases were you need more spall not just pen. APDS has a higher chance to ricochet on somewhat sloped surface probably due to balancing idk.
@ HE filler was found to not be all that much more effective if at all vs solid AP. Not because “Crews Bail Out Syndrome”. But they did field tests. Dummies don’t bail.
Not to mention I’ve seen Sherman crews bail out from Tiger and Panther hits. If HE filler was that much of a god like it is in game. They’d never survive that. Overall, for balancing reason. APHE needs a nerf for a meta shake up or something…
Edit: Wrong game I’m speaking about lol. But most of what I said applies.
Need to show this video to all AT infantry and sapper players too lmao
If i shoot some rounds from the tank will the ammo rack get smaller or have a lower chance of exploding?
@@kewlness4262 Yip, the less rounds in a tank the less chance of an Ammorack detonation/fire.
@@agreenarrow Thanks a bunch!
Thank you very much for this!
Intresting how u didnt cover the oh putting out the fire before it reaches ammo cause u have to hover over and puff puff but it never works its buged
It actually does work very well. The thing most players don't understand is that you need to press and HOLD it. If you press mouse 1 several times, it doesn't work.
As for the full footage, all sources are posted in the description!
Great video, when will we have a new tutorial on the new updates. Tons of new vehicles came out
None of the mechanics for tanks themselves have changed with the new update, so everything from this video is still relevant! Just more tanks to play around with now.
Given my post history, at this point I'm basically a one trick pony.
A slight correction, one of the modders has let me know that as far as they know, theres no set armour values for engine blocks themselves. That being said, they still stop rounds and spalling as if they do have a value, so there's really no difference ingame.
that song is from company of heroes 2 opposing fronts at the start
It might be both, the one I got was definitely coh1.
First song is March of the Britons from CoH1.
th-cam.com/video/CAl4-XIbC-A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EWS3QGNpr7ULNNvx
My god that game's OST is still a banger after all these years..
@@Hanfgurkenhasser seems there are different names for the same song, the one I used is linked in the description.
fact of the matter is the armor system is fucked
yesterday i shot a tiger 1 going down the road i was on 4 times in the ass with no angle at all
it then proceeded to turn around and kill my firefly in one shot
today a fucking puma survived 5 rounds from our pershing as it was circling us and then it one shot us from the front
then we came up to it in a jackson and hit it 3 times again and the only thing that saved us was that our commander had jumped out and gotten on the outside 50 cal and that actually destroyed the puma in about 25 rounds
armor system is not realistic and very buggy, sadly, squad 44 is the only real ww2 game where you can play a realistic tank experience
@@tavish4699 the puma has some pretty big bugs with its side armour eating rounds, so that doesn't surprise me. A lot of bugs still exist from our year long abandonment so it's a wip
As for the tiger, it's important to remember shooting the rear won't do anything after the first couple shots, because your shell and spall is being eaten by the engine block. Once you disable the engine, your best off trying a side shot or a shot to the back of the turret.
@@agreenarrow yea i know what you wrote about the tiger, the problem was that our 17 ounder shells didnt even disable the engine
it just turned around and killed us
@@tavish4699 what tank were you using? I'll check it out
@@agreenarrow firefly with a 17 pounder (britain)
can you make a similar video for regular squad with dev tools? is that possible?
@@ryen49 I'm unsure of what's available in squad, but from my understanding it has a much similar system with many tutorials already on TH-cam!
I’m just trying to figure out how to get in the tank on Arnhem range
@@Sebmundo You must be in an armour squad, and then fine the hatch for your position.
Also, I'd recommend you test tanks on a server, tanks don't function well on singleplayer
@@agreenarrow yeah gun reloads every 2 seconds on the m26 it doesn’t seem right
@@agreenarrow is their anyway I can test tanks without inconveniencing people
@@Sebmundo the Arnhem range 24 7 server is up. Just go there and try not to kill anyone as they are probably doing their own things.
@@agreenarrow ok thank you
This is awesome
does this game have similar armor mechanics as War Thunder does? if so, then it might be the ''best tank game on the market''.
It has similar mechanics yes, Both games attempt to model real life. Warthunder does so in a much more arcadey way however, where every round has potential to one hit kill.
Squad 44 is more realistic in that the amount of damage caused by a hit depends on the size of the shell and the type used.
I'd argue it's more realistic. Tank doesn't combust upon crew death. It's more interactive. The tank crewmen are actually real people. You have to get out of the tank to repair and extinguish. You don't just recruit a random tank crewman from the nearby village when you lose one, you have to go without one or go back to a spawnpoint and retrieve your old one.
Squad44 realistic? Not so much. During Market Garden there was NO allied armour north of the Rhine. And also NO US troops. The game should respect that.
@@klassieker2834 Market garden maps have over 50 layers, not every one of them needs to be historically accurate in my opinion. It's fine to have a little fun, especially when the majority are historically accurate
Theres like 1 map that respects that which is arnhem afaik and most paratrooper game modes. without allied tanks game would be unbalanced anyways
Squad 44 is not the best tank game on the market. That is a hilarious opinion. GHPC, Warthunder, HLL are all clear of this
@@basedindividual5990 warthunder and gunnerheatpc are definitely up there, but HLL's system is incredibly basic. Back when I played you could kill tigers by shooting them in the tracks.
Others can be about same, but its hilarious that you mention HLL, its tank game is so basic that it hurts