Cuz she is a liar, the evidence shows her guilt & FKR is a cult created by a criminal blogger who is a habutual liar & the murder defendant herself. These sheeple are going to feel so dumb in the end.
They had about 25 seconds while digesting what was taking place to object or be heard absolutely crazy. To the jury, she read the note and ruled on the note end of story see ya. I thought we should be chasing the truth. This court could give a damn about the truth. They just want a conviction. I’ve never seen anything like it.
I think the defense was elated with a mistrial, based that their whole trial was on conspiracies theories and shoddy police work, and they took it as a huge win and forgot to keep their eye on the ball, which was that the state was going to re-trial Karen Read. We all send "shitty" text and emails that we would be embarrassed for the world to see. Unfortunately, a hard lesson learned for the defense in this trial.
Hopefully the defense can this time properly skewer the prosecution witnesses and properly prosecute the absurd lack of chain of custody of evidence. Case should have been thrown.
@@gerigimbel3729newsflash nobody will ever be indicted except karen and her habitual liar blogger buddy. Sorry to inform u but the feds found No conspiracy they found proctor texts they didnt like and that was it.
The voice messages prove she didn’t kill him!!!!! It’s not a case on if she had a temper or if they had a toxic relationship it’s about murder. She would not have made those calls if she had just deliberately ran him over. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I think a judge owes a duty to the defendant, and ask the jury if they have come to a verdict on any of the charges. As the 5th amendment prohibits double jeopardy.
@@JenniferRay-h1i you’re number are wrong. Not only are your facts wrong you’re bias is showing I’m sure you prolly don’t understand the case very well either considering how bad you’re screwing up what the jury voted. They acquitted on two counts according to a sworn statement by 5 different jurors. The manslaughter count they were split 6 to 6 the last time they all the jurors made a definitive vote according to one jurors interview. Why would the state continue to go for a re trial on two counts they know a jury already found read not guilty of? Pretty desperate and pathetic.
@ryancox7155 you have no proof they acquitted anything, your assuming because a turtle told you that. I watched the supreme court justice's ask for sworn affidavits from the defense and they had NONE they stated. You obviously get your facts from a narcissistic turtle
@ryancox7155 the jury didn't find her not guilty, the evidence is extremely overwhelming that drunken slob hit John and in her jealous rage left him to die. Anyone with common sense can see that , all the evidence points to her purposely killing him. You're pretty clueless if you believe in turtle conspiracies , I feel sorry for you, must suck to be so gullible and easy to manipulate
@@ryancox7155 the original statement by defense was two jurors called them, and two friends of the jurors 🤣🤣🤣umm not the same as an actual juror coming forward and none gave a sworn affidavits
Now go out and get in your vehicle on a dry, straight road (which she didn’t have either) and attempt to go 24 miles per hour in reverse for 60 feet. Go on…… video it and report back.
@@jewels07??? Are you saying you can’t go in reverse at 24 mph 😂 I can back up my truck hooked to a boat the length of a football field at 35 mph with ease. With that said I don’t know what happened this case is strange but that defense won’t work you absolutely can easily drive 50-60 feet in reverse at 24mph easily.
@ go do it and video it (the speedometer also) It would be better at night, in the snow and on a curve but not sure if you have those conditions available to you. Also try to hit an object and see if it catapults 30 feet. Love to see it. It doesn’t even have to be a 215 lb object.
That was not proven in court...she is innocent until proven guilty, you just can't make something up, that you said she happened, which was on of the problems with this jury..They took an oath and swore, to and ignored that oath. There was so much reasonable doubt, not just one time, but over and over and over and over again and again and again.and again.
having listened , appalled , that this case was ever considered fur prosecution BUT realizing the jury were not given the details indicating the extent of investigative .misfeasance Am still.mystifued regarding the decision .EXCEOT that this judge was shown up so often by the Defense Council it appeared she felt herself. Both inadequate and belittled . Which she was & is , leading to.her ever worsening Court Decisions amounting to basically Informing the jury as to their verdict . My question remains in this & another prominent case , Both overseen by members of my gender , to my shame , where an inadequate Judge allowed an immense miscarriage of Justice without receiving any form.of punishment . How can such individuals remain in office
She was the judge here not the lawyer. In a mistrial in MA either side can ask the jury be polled they didnt & the judge is under no obligation to poll them unless either side asks & they didnt.
Karen is GUILTY, in my opinion. The GPS shows John didn't go up the hill with the phone like she said...Liar, Liar her 👖 pants are on FIRE 🔥for her Attorney.
The fact that you view plevin as an expert says everything about your channel and sources.. no wonder court tv is the last place people get their news.
The jury slip said they can't talk about any of the charges until all the charges are determined. And legally in that state the judge IS required to ask.
She continues to push for conviction, to prevent the real killers (a cop and his son) to be indicted. Warnings have gone out about back room deals made by the Canton cops with Cape Cod conmen, but nobody has had the guts yet to expose this. Too hot to handle? Maybe, but should it all come out? Absolutely! Ms. Read's future may depend upon it!
She gave warning the past 2 notes she was gonna do that..they had hours or days like Dennison said..total BS.. next time defense do better.. Learn ur lesson
The time lapse could have swayed jurors either way with media or other ways the details have been released. What if a juror is no longer feeling the same way and believe more deliberations would be necessary if they are not feeling the same way
Well shouldnt the Jury when they wrote the explanation to the judge have written in that explanation that they had unanimously agreed a verdict on 2 counts but couldnt agree on 1 count. & also to write which 2 counts they had all agreed on & which count they couldnt agree on. There was the reason the judge didnt know they had reached verdicts because she wasnt told they had.
The jurors are the only not legally qualified party??? The judge should search for the truth and asked them or even now she should still seek truth NOT just a win for the state
@@angeDanger The law seems to be so complicated. I know in the uk its crazy. If its a serious crime the police investigat it & if they think there is enough evidence to get a conviction they pass it to the CPS & they check it to see if they also think a jury will convict. Its not about them looking for innocent or guilty its if they can get a conviction. Im going through it right now with a case that started in 2005 & will go to court for trial in OCT 25. There are witnesses who have not been questioned, there are at least 5 statements that have gone missing & so much more.
Give it up Kevin Yellow Cotton Tails, your 'evidence' is laughable at this stage. You know Karen thought JOK was cheating on her. Absolutely exonerating.
I watched the whole trial from the beginning, This woman is a fighter & if you look it up she paid all her lawyer fees herself out of pocket, She wouldn't be paying all these fees if she was guilty, not only that I watched the trial, I heard all testimonies, I feel bad for the O'Keefe family but the state is wasting tax payers dollars, Waste of time, This woman is innocent, Go back & rewatch the trial & listen to everything including all the videos & testimonies This woman will be found not guilty this time around, They are all hating on this woman & didn't want her involved with Jon cause she was dating a Boston police officer that some of the friends of Boston police & canton police had a problem with it. Everything will soon come to the light & truth is going to come out in this next trial. Can't wait to watch.
Fund raising by TB and his followers all went to paying the fees incurred (inc paying some of the supporters if you look at some sites) so she didnt pay all fees herself. I too watched the trial from the beginning and so many people were thrown under the bus which the FBI investigated and found false, all trying to blow a smokescreen by AJ and his way of working, all of which is disgusting. We are going for a second trial and i do hope this one is a more up front trial with direct proof not false allegations. Its just a shame through all this, the victim has been lost and his family victimised. RIP JO
If the judge does not have to ask the question have you reached a verdict on any of the accounts then maybe it should be compulsary they ask that question. Its the simpliest question to ask & they should ask it & the jurors also should have told the judge that in their writing to the judge. Both the judge & the jury were in the wrong here, the jury more so than the judge
Is the problem with charging a person for a more serious crime in an attempts to get a plea for a lessor offence Malice aforethought is vital for murder
karen 'woulf not have made calls like that if she killed him'. Ummmm that is not true. Doing that when you have murdered someone is rather common as it makes you look innocent. Another person who did this after the murder was Jody Arias. Not as many because she was not drunk but did it all the same.
@@JaimeLynn-r4o Even the supreme court justice's asked the defense if they objected. And no the judge doesn't have to ask it's there as an option if she wants to or not. Funny because Karen and her legal team were celebrating and jumping for Joy at the time of the mistrial, they said that was a win. But now they want to lie , cheat and steal like the filth they are to get their brainless supporters to jump on the bandwagon, you people are honestly extremely pathetic and believe any conspiracy a turtle tells you
I don’t know if she’s guilty or not so I’m like the jury but I think it is insane you can be tried over and over in American courts like this. We need to change that. We have double jeopardy laws but they can continue dragging you to court wasting money over and over cause the prosecutor don’t get what they want. Crazy to me. I feel like if it’s two times it should be dismissed automatically but truly even one cause that is doubt clearly if you beat a case even once it should be done. But they will keep doing this until they get a guilty verdict on her so they can be happy and they don’t care if it cost millions.
Prosecution should be about TRUTH at ALL times so no matter what the Judge should always find the truth no matter what the ‘process’ was. Jurors are the ones without legal experience so if they meant one thing but didn’t feel they had the opportunity to make that clear then the Judge needs to fix it!!! The truth of the matter should be the only thing that matters.
Vinnie you are SO biased siding in all chances with Karen read, i believe 100 she is guilty i hope she gets convicted and you learn you bias is something that has made me not listen to you anymore
Why is Kevin still giving any insights into this case? Karen Read never said she thought he was incapacitated, what she said is “I didn’t think he was physically incapacitated”, meaning “the first thing I thought of or the first thought on my mind, wasn’t that he can’t move or he’s dead”. Hearing Kevin’s understanding, I just have to wonder how did he come up with that conclusion? Vinnie you’re great and I really enjoy you steering the pots, looking for the buzz and that “story”, but Kevin ain’t got that, he’s not your man. It would be more objective if you get anyone from the street and ask for their personal opinion ✌️ Thanks Peter for your valuable comments on the matter, loved your input ❤
To all those who lean toward Karen being guilty ( me included ) how do you explain the marks on John's arm??? I understand there was no dog DNA found on his shirt so wth??? This case makes me nutso! :)
I started to write you a detailed reply but You Tube erased it. The scratches are not from a dog, they would start with a gouge. Location makes it extremely unlikely to be a dog bites + the fact they are only on one side the upper underarm which won't happen and I could make mincemeat of their dog expert. 30+ years investigating murders and injuries on a state and federal level and know how college 'experts' work. They look like gravel imbedded injuries to me. And I am guessing that the snow plow guy who did not see him in a blizzard the first time scooped him up and threw him on the lawn which is how he ended up there and why he was seen the 2nd time. When the dust settles I might call them and offer my services.
@@Friendofstfrank So glad you never investigated anything near me. Apparently your investigating skills don't involve even googling dog bites or the fact of documenting what was actually swabbed. I think I'll take the cop, doctor, forensic examiner, LA ER physician's opinion, thank you. (Besides my 25+ yrs of working with dogs.)
I am absolutely astonished that Hank Brennan has not dropped some of these charges… The proof is there, the experts have said that he was not hit by a car and the cars damage was not caused by a human… And you have got to stop having Plevin on the show. He is a grifter, he’s ridiculous, he says anything he possibly can to make Karen read look bad.
You know the CW is in trouble when the only person court tv can find to argue the CW’s case is Kevin. And Peter the lawyer must be kidding when he said there was no evidence to prove Karen innocent..
It's double jeopardy. Karen Read should not have to go through this simply because the judge made a complete mess of this. The judge made terrible mistakes about this, she didn't explain things correctly or clearly to the jurors. The judge should have asked and clarified each and every question. This entire mess is all due to the judges actions. Not due to the jury not having decided; they did decide! This mess is on the judge. Karen shouldn't be made to suffer wrongly due to the judges many incorrect, incomplete, confusing, negligent actions. Taxpayers paying for judges many mistakes too. Ridiculous.
Every time I see the clip of the crazy, angry lady in the green shirt & visor, I can't help but feel she is not helpful to Karen's defense. (She seems a bit off the rail). Just my opinion. 😮
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The defense had no problem speaking up any other time.
Her story does NOT make sense
Cuz she is a liar, the evidence shows her guilt & FKR is a cult created by a criminal blogger who is a habutual liar & the murder defendant herself. These sheeple are going to feel so dumb in the end.
They had about 25 seconds while digesting what was taking place to object or be heard absolutely crazy. To the jury, she read the note and ruled on the note end of story see ya. I thought we should be chasing the truth. This court could give a damn about the truth. They just want a conviction. I’ve never seen anything like it.
It only takes 2sec to say object ....so 25 Sec is plenty of time
Defense attorneys object on the spot all the time.
They had soo many chances
@@JenniferRay-h1i So that means you agree that a 22 second phone call between BA & BH is plenty of time to have a meaningful conversation?
This is a waste of tax $
@@chadgreen5194 I agree with you 💯
BIGTIME!!!
Totally 💯
All I know is something stinks in this case and I don’t think we will ever know what really happened. Too many liars.
That’s stupid.
I think the defense was elated with a mistrial, based that their whole trial was on conspiracies theories and shoddy police work, and they took it as a huge win and forgot to keep their eye on the ball, which was that the state was going to re-trial Karen Read. We all send "shitty" text and emails that we would be embarrassed for the world to see. Unfortunately, a hard lesson learned for the defense in this trial.
how much was she paid to throw this Case??
She's guilty!!!
The judge yes being incompetent !!!!
100% guilty
Hopefully the defense can this time properly skewer the prosecution witnesses and properly prosecute the absurd lack of chain of custody of evidence. Case should have been thrown.
Absolutely not, John deserves Justice
John will get justice when Albert's are indicted 😁
@@gerigimbel3729newsflash nobody will ever be indicted except karen and her habitual liar blogger buddy. Sorry to inform u but the feds found No conspiracy they found proctor texts they didnt like and that was it.
Those voicemails are horrible. She should be ashamed of herself.
The voice messages prove she didn’t kill him!!!!! It’s not a case on if she had a temper or if they had a toxic relationship it’s about murder. She would not have made those calls if she had just deliberately ran him over. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
@@angeDangerabsolutely!
I think a judge owes a duty to the defendant, and ask the jury if they have come to a verdict on any of the charges. As the 5th amendment prohibits double jeopardy.
Jury had their opportunity, only two turtle riders voted not guilty.... everyone else with common sense on the jury voted guilty ASF
@@JenniferRay-h1i you’re number are wrong. Not only are your facts wrong you’re bias is showing I’m sure you prolly don’t understand the case very well either considering how bad you’re screwing up what the jury voted. They acquitted on two counts according to a sworn statement by 5 different jurors. The manslaughter count they were split 6 to 6 the last time they all the jurors made a definitive vote according to one jurors interview. Why would the state continue to go for a re trial on two counts they know a jury already found read not guilty of? Pretty desperate and pathetic.
@ryancox7155 you have no proof they acquitted anything, your assuming because a turtle told you that. I watched the supreme court justice's ask for sworn affidavits from the defense and they had NONE they stated. You obviously get your facts from a narcissistic turtle
@ryancox7155 the jury didn't find her not guilty, the evidence is extremely overwhelming that drunken slob hit John and in her jealous rage left him to die. Anyone with common sense can see that , all the evidence points to her purposely killing him. You're pretty clueless if you believe in turtle conspiracies , I feel sorry for you, must suck to be so gullible and easy to manipulate
@@ryancox7155 the original statement by defense was two jurors called them, and two friends of the jurors 🤣🤣🤣umm not the same as an actual juror coming forward and none gave a sworn affidavits
8:29
Isn’t the judge supposed to ask each side if they want the jurors polled??
The judge is supposed to be unbiased, impartial and do anything possible to assure the defense of a fair trial!! She is anything but ...!
In a courtroom setting, either the judge or one of the attorneys may request that the jury be polled after a verdict has been delivered.
Not in a mistrial
@@kelleylynch4490 You said it. AFTER a VERDICT!
Nope, not in MA in a mistrial if either side wants them polled they have to ask, they didnt on purpose.
I think she's guilty
The last time Karen Read remembers John O'Keefe is when she hit him going 24 miles per hour in Reverse 🚗 Justice for 👮♂️🚔 Officer John O'Keefe
Now go out and get in your vehicle on a dry, straight road (which she didn’t have either) and attempt to go 24 miles per hour in reverse for 60 feet. Go on…… video it and report back.
Nope. The FBI has since found that “car evidence “ to not be factual.
@@jewels07??? Are you saying you can’t go in reverse at 24 mph 😂 I can back up my truck hooked to a boat the length of a football field at 35 mph with ease.
With that said I don’t know what happened this case is strange but that defense won’t work you absolutely can easily drive 50-60 feet in reverse at 24mph easily.
@ go do it and video it (the speedometer also) It would be better at night, in the snow and on a curve but not sure if you have those conditions available to you. Also try to hit an object and see if it catapults 30 feet. Love to see it. It doesn’t even have to be a 215 lb object.
That was not proven in court...she is innocent until proven guilty, you just can't make something up, that you said she happened, which was on of the problems with this jury..They took an oath and swore, to and ignored that oath. There was so much reasonable doubt, not just one time, but over and over and over and over again and again and again.and again.
having listened , appalled , that this case was ever considered fur prosecution BUT realizing the jury were not given the details indicating the extent of investigative .misfeasance Am still.mystifued regarding the decision .EXCEOT that this judge was shown up so often by the Defense Council it appeared she felt herself. Both inadequate and belittled . Which she was & is , leading to.her ever worsening Court Decisions amounting to basically Informing the jury as to their verdict . My question remains in this & another prominent case , Both overseen by members of my gender , to my shame , where an inadequate Judge allowed an immense miscarriage of Justice without receiving any form.of punishment . How can such individuals remain in office
Great Job @Kevin from Yellow Cottage Tales!! 💙 Justice for John of Keefe. RIP, Karen left him to die like roadkill.
Bev herself polled the jury in a cliff hanger case when she was a lawyer. She knew to stay mum.
She was the judge here not the lawyer. In a mistrial in MA either side can ask the jury be polled they didnt & the judge is under no obligation to poll them unless either side asks & they didnt.
Need a new judge
Karen is GUILTY, in my opinion. The GPS shows John didn't go up the hill with the phone like she said...Liar, Liar her 👖 pants are on FIRE 🔥for her Attorney.
Are you 5?
Exactly. The defense has put on a crazy PR campaign paying lawtubers to spew lies.
@@gerigimbel3729 IQ? 😂
She def is guilty.
God, I hate it when people interrupt someone who's talking and won't even let them finish their thought or sentence.
The fact that you view plevin as an expert says everything about your channel and sources.. no wonder court tv is the last place people get their news.
the defense had the jury forms changed to their liking, why didn't the 3 defense attorneys want to see the jury forms after they were filled in
Because they weren't filled in. 🙄 That's why there was no verdict.
The jury slip said they can't talk about any of the charges until all the charges are determined. And legally in that state the judge IS required to ask.
That is FALSE
Judge is not required to ask in MA in a mistrial. Please stop giving false info.
She did it....people are blind...I hope re trial will bring guilty verdict
This lousy Judge should be disciplined! She pushed this case in a certain direction. This should frighten every American.
She continues to push for conviction, to prevent the real killers (a cop and his son) to be indicted. Warnings have gone out about back room deals made by the Canton cops with Cape Cod conmen, but nobody has had the guts yet to expose this. Too hot to handle? Maybe, but should it all come out? Absolutely! Ms. Read's future may depend upon it!
Absolute disgrace! Should have recused herself from the start. She has connections to multiple prosecution witnesses 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Who else did it? Justice for John! She’s the closest to him! PERIOD!
She gave warning the past 2 notes she was gonna do that..they had hours or days like Dennison said..total BS.. next time defense do better.. Learn ur lesson
You are such a besivist. She is guilty as the light of day
The time lapse could have swayed jurors either way with media or other ways the details have been released. What if a juror is no longer feeling the same way and believe more deliberations would be necessary if they are not feeling the same way
Judge looked ill.when confronted with Police behavior and language.Relieved to be OUT.
She did it
@@juristenlee1503 she totally didn’t. Like zero evidence showing she did anything other than drop him off and go back to his house 10 minutes later.
Well shouldnt the Jury when they wrote the explanation to the judge have written in that explanation that they had unanimously agreed a verdict on 2 counts but couldnt agree on 1 count. & also to write which 2 counts they had all agreed on & which count they couldnt agree on. There was the reason the judge didnt know they had reached verdicts because she wasnt told they had.
The jurors are the only not legally qualified party??? The judge should search for the truth and asked them or even now she should still seek truth NOT just a win for the state
They wanted to. The Formen told them no. Listen to there written testimony.
@@angeDanger The law seems to be so complicated. I know in the uk its crazy. If its a serious crime the police investigat it & if they think there is enough evidence to get a conviction they pass it to the CPS & they check it to see if they also think a jury will convict. Its not about them looking for innocent or guilty its if they can get a conviction. Im going through it right now with a case that started in 2005 & will go to court for trial in OCT 25. There are witnesses who have not been questioned, there are at least 5 statements that have gone missing & so much more.
Give it up Kevin Yellow Cotton Tails, your 'evidence' is laughable at this stage. You know Karen thought JOK was cheating on her. Absolutely exonerating.
Roberta Glass is the best youtuber on this case.
Why don’t they prosecute that too to bottom corrupt police department and leave this poor woman alone?!
Did he just drop Depp's name AGAIN? WTF?
Proctor, i always side eye that last name when it's especially in Massachusetts. Only because of the Salem witch trials.
Karen Read with her need for spotlight in the end will be her downfall all her interviews OROVE her guilt
I watched the whole trial from the beginning, This woman is a fighter & if you look it up she paid all her lawyer fees herself out of pocket, She wouldn't be paying all these fees if she was guilty, not only that I watched the trial, I heard all testimonies, I feel bad for the O'Keefe family but the state is wasting tax payers dollars, Waste of time, This woman is innocent, Go back & rewatch the trial & listen to everything including all the videos & testimonies This woman will be found not guilty this time around, They are all hating on this woman & didn't want her involved with Jon cause she was dating a Boston police officer that some of the friends of Boston police & canton police had a problem with it. Everything will soon come to the light & truth is going to come out in this next trial. Can't wait to watch.
Fund raising by TB and his followers all went to paying the fees incurred (inc paying some of the supporters if you look at some sites) so she didnt pay all fees herself. I too watched the trial from the beginning and so many people were thrown under the bus which the FBI investigated and found false, all trying to blow a smokescreen by AJ and his way of working, all of which is disgusting. We are going for a second trial and i do hope this one is a more up front trial with direct proof not false allegations. Its just a shame through all this, the victim has been lost and his family victimised. RIP JO
False followers paid most of her lawyer fees.😂
If the judge does not have to ask the question have you reached a verdict on any of the accounts then maybe it should be compulsary they ask that question. Its the simpliest question to ask & they should ask it & the jurors also should have told the judge that in their writing to the judge. Both the judge & the jury were in the wrong here, the jury more so than the judge
GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!😊
Who else did it? Justice for John!
I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. Lock her up, Justice for John.
Is the problem with charging a person for a more serious crime in an attempts to get a plea for a lessor offence
Malice aforethought is vital for murder
@29:00 because she was blackout drunk.
I feel sorry for karen Read lovers...there's no point arguing with the small minded!!
Or the guilty sayers that are so simple minded they have zero common sense.
@@jewels07 absolutely!
karen 'woulf not have made calls like that if she killed him'. Ummmm that is not true. Doing that when you have murdered someone is rather common as it makes you look innocent.
Another person who did this after the murder was Jody Arias. Not as many because she was not drunk but did it all the same.
Am, sorry. Not hateful ones. Concerned ones. Can you point me to an actual case without those?
Oh wow plenty of time to object....her team just sat there and didn't ask anything about the jury decision
They didn't need to object, the judge was supposed to ask for verdicts on each charge.
@@JaimeLynn-r4o💯
@@JaimeLynn-r4o Even the supreme court justice's asked the defense if they objected. And no the judge doesn't have to ask it's there as an option if she wants to or not. Funny because Karen and her legal team were celebrating and jumping for Joy at the time of the mistrial, they said that was a win. But now they want to lie , cheat and steal like the filth they are to get their brainless supporters to jump on the bandwagon, you people are honestly extremely pathetic and believe any conspiracy a turtle tells you
The judge didn’t ask the lawyers if they wanted to poll the jurors?
It is their job to ask when a mistrial happens in MA. The judge is not required to ask.
The victim wanted the real story to come out thats why it went for another trial
Kevin is an idiot. The evidence DOES show John’s phone went up and down stairs when he was no longer with Karen so what is he even talking about?
Waterfall video tells it all 😮😮😮
This is the same episode from a week ago! WTF?
I thought I was losing my mind.
is KR still teaching at the same college now
She was fired immediately after this happened. Had a reputation.
Wow weird thing about this trial is it started as a murder trial now it's become a civil rights trial all our rights are being tried here 🤔 😮😢
I don’t know if she’s guilty or not so I’m like the jury but I think it is insane you can be tried over and over in American courts like this.
We need to change that.
We have double jeopardy laws but they can continue dragging you to court wasting money over and over cause the prosecutor don’t get what they want.
Crazy to me. I feel like if it’s two times it should be dismissed automatically but truly even one cause that is doubt clearly if you beat a case even once it should be done.
But they will keep doing this until they get a guilty verdict on her so they can be happy and they don’t care if it cost millions.
Wayne Dennis is so lame. He was the weakest for JD's trial as well.
Prosecution should be about TRUTH at ALL times so no matter what the Judge should always find the truth no matter what the ‘process’ was. Jurors are the ones without legal experience so if they meant one thing but didn’t feel they had the opportunity to make that clear then the Judge needs to fix it!!! The truth of the matter should be the only thing that matters.
Judge Cannelloni (sic) might be a school tuckshop lady moonlighting as a judge.
Vinnie you are SO biased siding in all chances with Karen read, i believe 100 she is guilty i hope she gets convicted and you learn you bias is something that has made me not listen to you anymore
I agree he has been bias and clearly bias.
He’s clearly not biased he’s stating facts. Sorry you can’t handle the truth😢
Why is Kevin still giving any insights into this case?
Karen Read never said she thought he was incapacitated, what she said is “I didn’t think he was physically incapacitated”, meaning “the first thing I thought of or the first thought on my mind, wasn’t that he can’t move or he’s dead”.
Hearing Kevin’s understanding, I just have to wonder how did he come up with that conclusion?
Vinnie you’re great and I really enjoy you steering the pots, looking for the buzz and that “story”, but Kevin ain’t got that, he’s not your man.
It would be more objective if you get anyone from the street and ask for their personal opinion ✌️
Thanks Peter for your valuable comments on the matter, loved your input ❤
Listen again to her exact words.
"What I thought could have happened was that, did I incapacitate him unwittingly, somehow, and then in his drunkenness [he] passed out?” Read said."
Dateline interview. Way before she changed her tune for Vanity Fair.
To all those who lean toward Karen being guilty ( me included ) how do you explain the marks on John's arm??? I understand there was no dog DNA found on his shirt so wth??? This case makes me nutso! :)
I started to write you a detailed reply but You Tube erased it. The scratches are not from a dog, they would start with a gouge. Location makes it extremely unlikely to be a dog bites + the fact they are only on one side the upper underarm which won't happen and I could make mincemeat of their dog expert. 30+ years investigating murders and injuries on a state and federal level and know how college 'experts' work. They look like gravel imbedded injuries to me. And I am guessing that the snow plow guy who did not see him in a blizzard the first time scooped him up and threw him on the lawn which is how he ended up there and why he was seen the 2nd time.
When the dust settles I might call them and offer my services.
They are from a dog. Funny that the swabs from OJO arm was lost. The swabbed his shirt which was pig dna from dog treats. Go figure.
@@Friendofstfrank So glad you never investigated anything near me. Apparently your investigating skills don't involve even googling dog bites or the fact of documenting what was actually swabbed. I think I'll take the cop, doctor, forensic examiner, LA ER physician's opinion, thank you. (Besides my 25+ yrs of working with dogs.)
I think this old but I just wanted to acknowledge poor Karen Read. 6.5 million didn't get you an acquittal. You might have unwittingly hit him.
I am absolutely astonished that Hank Brennan has not dropped some of these charges… The proof is there, the experts have said that he was not hit by a car and the cars damage was not caused by a human… And you have got to stop having Plevin on the show. He is a grifter, he’s ridiculous, he says anything he possibly can to make Karen read look bad.
Newsflash he isnt going too.
The judge is sus
You know the CW is in trouble when the only person court tv can find to argue the CW’s case is Kevin. And Peter the lawyer must be kidding when he said there was no evidence to prove Karen innocent..
It's double jeopardy. Karen Read should not have to go through this simply because the judge made a complete mess of this. The judge made terrible mistakes about this, she didn't explain things correctly or clearly to the jurors. The judge should have asked and clarified each and every question. This entire mess is all due to the judges actions. Not due to the jury not having decided; they did decide! This mess is on the judge. Karen shouldn't be made to suffer wrongly due to the judges many incorrect, incomplete, confusing, negligent actions. Taxpayers paying for judges many mistakes too. Ridiculous.
Vinnie, why don't you ask bigger TH-cam creators to come on..plevins channel is a joke.
Every time I see the clip of the crazy, angry lady in the green shirt & visor, I can't help but feel she is not helpful to Karen's defense. (She seems a bit off the rail). Just my opinion. 😮
Thank god you aren’t on the jury.
I feel that way every time I see Jen’s crazy face.
The lack of evidence should have resulted in an acquittal , not a mistrial
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She didn't DO IT LQQK inside the house, so many dam clues free KAREN
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