LS and Nemesis VOD REVIEW | HLE Chovy vs TES Knight in Korean Challenger
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Ls aka “lying soloquerer” is a South Korean TH-cam and twitch streamer who puts a Chovy webcam over his gameplay so he can trick nemesis into giving him a free VOD review
This shit got me... nice one
That's one of the best ones yet, god damn.
LOL
is LS gay?
@@abyst4754 pretty sure he’s Bi
Really glad you're bringing this series back with Lemonovski.
Gonna take these teachings into my bronze 3 games. And flame my top laner for not stacking 1 and 2 and crashing it before he recalls.
I got flamed for this very thing merely hours ago, to which I replied "but B has not yet become C, once C becomes D, then I shall B"
I got flamed in normals by a guy in gold 3 because i'm silver 1 and didn't switch to blue tricket at lvl9
@@RyZeDHD G3 is not even better lmao
@@RyZeDHD LOL
@@Torbeng its crazy how people in gold flame other people for being in gold as well. I'm G3 and some guy whos G3 is like "eh stupid goldie"...like wut? xD
YESSS I LOVE THESE!! please put more of these on yt going forward :)
also some toplaners would be nice too!
There are more and will be, just on Patreon. Worth it
it’d be cool to see him vod review his own gameplay
@WazWut It's 13$ lol
@@keven444 in my country 13 dolar is like a 2 3 weeks food
I really love these types of vids.
Same here. I didn't know you could click on the ward and see who placed it. That's some good info to have.
“Steelplated Bootcaps” -LS
"superplex" - both of them
do nemesis vod review with nemesis without him knowing
After playing with HLE
Chovy stopped pressing F keys.
makes sense
now we press F for Chovy
Is this a joke or actually true xd
Ohhh I get it
yes now he clicks /ff
10:38 'a becomes b and then b becomes c' -Hegel (Literal Spirit)
literal spirit is an absolute idealist who believes that there is nothing that can be done to prevent the unfolding of the wave dialectic
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These videos are rly good could u do Gumayusi?
It's always a great time when you and Nemesis do content together.
Really love this kind of content. It provides more context when I’m watching your co-streams of proviews as well as helping me think about how to lane in my own games
That was REALLY enjoyable, as a low elo scrub it's a lot easier to keep track of and understand the points you make in your commentary when it's focused on one single player, rather than the entire teams, thank you!
Love these! This type of content is the reason i love LS and subbed to patreon and twitch :) Keep it up, elevate the game.
I usually search for replays of chovy etc. and try to learn from them myself but having you guys open other angles / perspectives to look at the game from really helped. More edu pls
Thank you for all the EDU content and the tips and flame you provide on stream!!
20:12 you actually can kinda do it, if he hugged the wall quite tightly. There is a short clip on my channel, I just put it there in case anyone wanted to see for themselves. So, ye. It'd be tough to do, but it indeed would be sick.
LS, Can't thank you more for how much informative this video is
really sad this content has way less views than normal costreaming content, but we who watch this type of content of yours really appreciate it, so thanks for it LS
These are great, I'd definitely love more edu content in the video!
edu content is pog, more pls
i would prefer the longer more edu vids like before, i like the content
I think its so interesting watching these. Its literally not the league i know. The complexity is astonishing to me.
Watching these makes me realise, that when i play, and when LS/NEMESIS plays, its not the same game, at all.
These players are autopilot doing things i wouldnt think about doing.
Great video! Love the content!
I like how deep and complex the league can be. you can simply press the keyboard and be good at it or use intelligence and knowledge to destroy your opponent, the two together would be the apex. Realizing that team play makes the match have a totally different environment than soloq, and knowing that the two types of lol coexist is insane. Well, I've experienced a bit of everything, playing soloq with the best meta characters, playing casually, teaming up in small leagues, but now all I know, all my will and time is being turned to one thing in this game, Maokai Mid. I'm in this saga, to enable and reach the maokai master mid to 4 months, and I'm realizing how it is possible to optimize several points of the strategy, hidden mechanics in the character, improving every day. Finally, I would like to say that I would like you to approach the topic of Off Meta, and that the best part of off meta is really that it is off meta.
God damn this video is so edu and just entertaining with the boys talking. If i ever get the money im gonna get patron!
I still remember your BBobbo karthus review. That made me main the champ!
Hyped to see more of these video´s, especially on the jungle one´s
thanks ls i love these super informative
Thank you so much for this video! I didn't even watched but im craving to learn more. Hopefully, one day i will be able to support you on Patreon, but im Brazilian and things are terrible here..I will keep watching everything!
20:14 this does work if you stand on those blue mushrooms and he is RIGHT ABOVE THE BUSH it works but its like only a couple pixels you can do it on
the end of the video was so fun haha nice video
Good video, is extremely hard to say “misplay” when LS and Nem need to rewind to pause and read the situation.
Jayce into sett is a pretty damn hard matchup. Sett Q into E can run you down and easily trade on you in melee range while his passive heals him to full. In this case sett getting 3 random kills made knights lane impossible.
100% agree such a hard match up for jayce, you need to be really good at spacing and in team fights sett is usually better too,.
Sett e range is bullshit
@@puppetmaskerr Sett is bullshit
@@puppetmaskerr Yeah you could trade on him fine as jayce after first back but unfortunately doran's shield and his passive make poking irrelevant
@20:21 It does reach. I've done it before on someone in the brush to hold them from killing my fleeing jungler, and I've flashed the wall before and then thrown the E to stop their chase. The thin part of the wall reaches pretty easy but I think if they are in the brush you have to Angle the E (if you cast E sideways you get a little more range). It's very fucking hard tho and even tho I've hit it the few times I went for it I wouldn't say it's easy to replicate.
YES love this type of content
At 15:40, he could be "going for the plate" not for the gold while ruining his tempo and base timing, but so that he could purposefully bait enemy jg/sup(&top as he saw rene on map b4 going for plate), since he knows his karma and kayn are near. He knows he wont die cuz he has flash and also has ult soon for the skirmish. Forcing fights like this to snowball leads and create opportunities (or chances for enemies to make a mistake: like the jayce getting hit by sett e and dying), instead of recalling, which is a good option as well, but would prevent these skirmishes, to snowball from, happening.
Great content super mind elevating chapeaux bas to you Mr LS
I missed these kinds of videos, good stuff
That trick about knowing who placed what wards I think 99% of pro players don't know. The last time I heard players tracking where enemy's are based on wards in pro play was through skins each player used back in like season 3 or something.
29:53 when Nemesis said " balanced " i rly had to laugh 1k true dmg hilarious
Love these types of videos plz make more
lol i understand. I played Command and Conquer, Starcraft, Warcraft, DotA, and HoN. Moba is a subgenre of RTS. It is still a real time strategy game, and the creators of LoL understood this when they created it.
Now THIS is instructive content! ♥
if you keep track of ward skins you could also deduce the player placing it. Although this only works for people who use ward skins
It's nice they balance the game by having pay to lose like this.
doesnt knight play with 3-4 times the ping chovy has cause hes in china?
I miss when you two did these
What happened why don't they make content together anymore?
Great video, more EDU content pls! The more in-depth the better. You mentioned Zig's items to be incorrect, but didn't mention what would be right. I guess Liandry's? P.S. Do you also analyse botlane pro players videos on your Patreon?
10:40 what he's doing would only work if its frozen on his side, similar to top lane. He has it in his mind that he wants to deny jayce cs/xp, but he can't because of the position of the wave. BTW the study of thought is virtuistic, and governed by prudence, or the ability to self-reflect and dissect prejudices. It hinges on the ego/pride/humilty/etc. and is the most important virtue for human thought.
MORE EDU PLS!! but damn, I watched this vod like a whole month ago or something xD nice to see other perspectives tho
18:00 he started channeling tp before he dropped herald...or rather it was at the same time. I don't think he had calculated herald. Would have been fine otherwise probably. I mean, imagine Kayn just backing off instead of dropping the herald first. Now Jayce gets to clear minion wave a lot more freely. Like, why wasn't Jayce able to finish off the caster creeps there? Would Sett have been able to bully him like that without the herald there? Unlikely, right?
Not a huge fan of your stream and showman persona but this was very informative. Great content. Cheers.
Extremely refreshing commentary. Enjoyed it a lot. I Played DOTA for 8 years and it's funny how MOBA fundamentals translate. A lot of the things you guys mention are considered standard knowledge in DOTA and the bare essentials in pro play. I remember watching my first LOL pro game with my friend who got me into LOL and pointing out a lot of mistakes, misreads, missed opportunities a. I found that league players have a very narrow view of how the game was played, which was quite the opposite from DOTA were thinking outside the box/abstractly is rewarded a lot in pro play.
Regarding the 28:55 proview thing I’ve actually learned it watching a mikyx proview
I’m pretty sure he was looking for strikebreaker slow there
@@ikcorLoL just go back like 30 seconds and watch it
20:15, u can actually E over the wall slightly to the left of the bush.
Nothing related to the video but youtube tip: if there are a lot of ads In a video skip to the end then rewatch to remove all mid video ads
Will we get these VOD only on your Patreon? Does Nemesis have one as well?
8:30 the dash on strydebreaker was already removed by this time right?
This is bizarre. Pointing out what to do if it was an official match in a soloq game. I love it xd
For soloq in soloq is midbeast
i love watching these videos and act like im becoming better but still being hardstuck gold 4. thanks!
27:15 Chovy saw into the future and really wanted those double buffs
Good video!
at around 6:00 chovy probably thought bard wouldn't fail the portal and wanted to cut off the jayce from retreating
More of these please please please
Any thoughts on uploading these patreon exclusive VoD review videos to youtube after they have been out on patreon for a while?
I love how he says Chovy can take a turret shot to get grit and crash wave faster, and that should know the time things take based on base movespeed of own champ and enemy champ.
1 sec after, Jayce shows up XD @7:20
And of course, he's right, you SHOULD know.
Just funny that he missed how long it was since Jayce death himself.
yea he said chovy could do it if he knew the timer for jayce. I laughed too when he showed up right after I guess chovy did know his timers well x)
Has LS said anything about the mathematical sett build? Thought that stuff would be right up his alley.
He always memes about it, but believes it's only a 4fun build, not really goos
Yes pls do more if not vods at least highlights like NA's but from a good region like this one
Edu content is nice and pog. Should do more this kind of videos
Knight and Chovy has met at the world last year and a clean 2:0 shows that Knight is better
of cause its some how winning, it's the broken sett what do you mean,.
yes i need this type of content
If I buy $10 pateron do I get access to all previous pro view commentarys? I am worried he deletes them after a month or are locked to those who pateron before each videos release.
Theyre all there but atm only 2
Would love to see more pro player vod reviews , especially of Chovy . Maybe choose a closer game next time , though
Hey everyone, it’s LS
What is the correct Mythic Item on Sett after the changes to Stridebreaker? Still Stridebreaker or Trinity Force?
might watch more later, cya, gl in korea.
I would love some of this in the botlane
Arguably the best midlaner in the world>Gets a triple in a river skirmish>LS- "Oh he messed up, this is bad.">62k views
A suggestion: review pro games sometimes (maybe a mix if you insist on soloq) so that you can talk about the decisions that SHOULD be made in a pro env.
Legit half of his recent videos and almost all his recent twitch streams are watching pro games and commentsting
@@thebestgamingyoutuber7221 ye its not like I said it in another context...
thank you guys but can someone tell me where can i watch chovy streaming ?
Question here: Do pros really need to play soloqueues? It'd be much more effecient for them to test things out in practice tool, custom games, and scrims, and there are so many bad habaits they can get from playing soloqueue. There might be the arguement of soloqueue keeping up their mechanics, but a coordinated team with a clear idea of what to do is definitely better than 5 mechnically gifted players playing 5 different versions of the same game.
What else are they gonna do after scrim if you suggest them not to play solo q ? Mechanics in this game for pros are mostly muscle memory and if they don't keep up the intensity they will lose all those mechanics real fast. Solo q for pros is similar to Gym for atheletes. Look at IG Ning, he slacked off for a split not grinding solo q hard and after that he could never find best form again and ended up getting replaced.
@@tudoan3654 It probably depends on how much they actually scrim. If they scrim everyday multiple games per day, then scrim alone would be enough as they can vod review. Maybe I worded myself wrong: pros shouldn't treat soloqueues the way normal high mmr players do. Like we saw in this game, it's a clash of 2 top 10 mid laners in the world, if not top 5, and it's safe to say both are capable of a MUCH higher level of play. Knight ran it down despite knowing perfectly well he's hard inting. To use the gym analogy, it's like switching to workouts that's not even half as intense as your normal routine, and still doing it half heartedly. In order to make soloqueue games productive, it requires an incredible amount of self-discipline that we almost never see from proplayers, and it's probably because they've just became part of the league culture: "losing games are not worth winning".
As for mechanics being mostly muscle memory, I do agree, but the goal should be refining these muscle memories rather than simply repeating them. It then comes back to the topic of self-discipline because soloqueue games' quality are not high enough to force pros to refine their techniques: they can run it down all they want and still have a positive winrate by carrying the winning games.
And what I'm suggesting is far from slacking off. I'm saying rather than waste time playing soloqueue, pros should spend the time to figure things out as a team. League is complex game, and the 5 players need to understand the game from a unified point of view. Everyone says "pros always know what they did wrong" but they don't. Teams almost never make use of lane prios, and because they don't use it, everyone is just playing ping pongs with the waves. I'm not informed about Ning's situation, but if he used the time he would've used for soloqueue to just fool around rather than improving at league, then yes he'll fall behind.
I think jankos uses the ward trick where you hover over the thing on his streams
why do i feel the video is smoother than the others 60fps, because he play in 144hz or what?
wow patreon so worth if you make alot of these
The end of the video, once again, gorgeous!
I just want to know, if the enemy is blundering too why should you call the first mistake a blunder when nothing came out of it? Like that mid lane cs discussion about wave a becoming b then c then d. The opponent (Knight) is committing mistakes too so the end result is nothing. For me unless those deductions are put in to place and the other player doesn't know what to do then thats when you call it a mistake from the opponent because there is and end result which favors the other player.
It doesn't matter to a pro whether they're 1500 LP challenger or hardstuck d1 due to trolls. It's about self improvement, and managing wave correcting ragardless of competition is what a pro should aim to do, rather than "oh he's trolling, I guess I can sit back and play with less thinking and more autopilot".
In other words, end result doesn't mean anything. It's about playing well, not winning. Winning is what matters on stage.
@@robertyu1012 What's the gauge in playing well when the bar is not being tested? It's like saying a top student in the class who has a grade of 99 is not enough. Like what? He is already there standing at the top what's the point of doing more? Especially when others are all under you? If anything those people that are under should be the ones to be blamed because they are doing the same shit but worse.
@@robertyu1012 For example Korea won worlds again. Then is that their problem why the game is not evolving? HELL NO. its the problem of those other regions not innovating for them to defeat korea.
@@Prince_mt12 they innovated to end the lpl reign…?
Who are the elite players in the world right now? What separate them from the rest of pros?
Just look at Chovey and the rest then you know the differents .
Literally nothing. The significance of a single player has become so little that the difference between like a top 5 mid and a top 20 mid is practically redundant
love this
14:14 look at all that farm
im excited if ls will cover ig rookie
You Should look up tabi‘s
It doesnt work vs ez q So it only has okay value
The top four elites doesn’t include Doinb coz he’s an alien midlaner
23:07 he wouldnt need those autos , you mad? W hahaha
really cool seeing my mid laners do this when they end up losing cs and exp somehow
is karma great at late game?
where chovy streams?
12:57 pretty sure Sett was just trying to deny Jayce the cannon here lol. Also pretty sure he was successful. I kind of skipped the rant, sorry.
its irrelevant to deny the canon if you are fucking up your wavestate in the process, its a net loss
Yes! More Please! :D
"Steel plated bootcaps"
More of these videos !