i thought this aswell, the blaines suggested option screws you over if you can redo the outbreak but since you cant here, they are equally efficient and one is just falsely clickbaited, but combining this advance swapping for reseeding works wonders.
It is possible to force docile pokemon into battles by tagging them with sticky globs when they are all nearby and then tossing down your attacking mon at their feet. Dont hit any of them with the attacker as it will initiate a 1v1 battle. This can be tricky, so lure them together with a berry first. Update: further testing indicates this doesn't work with skiddish pokemon, such as unown.
Heads up, it doesn’t work for Pokémon that run away(at least from my experience). Docile Pokémon are Pokémon like Bergmite/Yanma/Aipom who don’t attack you unless you anger them. Pokémon like Buneary won’t work with the method.
Got a shiny alpha spiritomb today thanks to this video! The 15 permutations tested by Austin didnt work for me but one of the other 42 ( cause the first horde had 9 spiritomb ) at 16:54 worked
Me too! I have noticed though if you are scouting multiple massive outbreaks from town the regular spawner seed will change each time you go into an area, so if you wanted to see what all the pokemon are in an outbreak and see a shiny of a regular spawn you won't see it again if exit the game and go back there from town.
A little late, but I can confirm too it works! I was trying one of the last permutations for the 8 mon hordes, with almost no hope left, and got a ShAlpha Typhlosion even though the second horde wasn't even an alpha one!
I had the same happen earlier with a spheal outbreak. Got the shiny, was going to leave. Decided to catch the last 2, and a new horde spawned of alpha sealio with a shiny. Was so happy I didn't leave haha
Thank you for the video, it helps alot and I managed to get Shiny Alpha Decidueye, Spiritomb and Magmortar. It was a Dartrix outbreak with star, they are considered docile and seldom engage 4v1 battle. I tried throwing Sticky Globs at each quickly to get their aggressive on and managed to get into the 4v1 battle. On my 10th try of "kill 2 kill 2 catch the rest", Shiny Alpha Dartrix appeared. I find these permutations work better with perfect pokedex entry. Once again, thanks Austin.
YO this is so freaking well-described and analyzed. We can tell you worked really hard on this and we are all greatly appreciative of your efforts to help all of us get our favorite shinies!
I love this guide. It looks complicated at first but it is simple once you do it a couple times. I managed to get an alpha Haunter, an alpha Ursaluna (great thing for someone who never evolved an Ursaring), and finally on the third attempt got a shiny alpha Snover. Currently hunting a Bronzor outbreak, those thing are so difficult to aim pokeballs at them lol they are so tiny. Edit: This method also seems to work to an extent with regular mass outbreaks. I did a test on a Walrein outbreak, first i captured everything and wrote their data in an excel; then i restarted the game (i saved in front of the outbreak), did a 4v1 battle and all but one of the Walreins that spawned after that were completely different from the 13 original pokemons that i caught in the first try. I dont know the exact permutations on regular outbreaks, but considering regular outbreaks have a higher shiny chance, this may be worth trying.
These videos are amazing for my analytical brain, it’s like statistics meets Pokémon and I’m living for it. Thanks for making clear your last video but also I really appreciate the original where we see your trials and thought process!
Hey Austin, just wanted to say that the extra permutations do work! I just got my shiny alpha spiritomb this way. I got up to the point where I caught 1, battled 2, battled 4, then caught the last one
@@danthonywilliams6444 I made a comment about this as well, didn't get an alpha shiny but wasn't one with a star on it. I got through 9 permutations, all of them on the same outbreak, no shiny no save, reset, do next permutation. Got a shiny zorua on my 9th permutation. Outbreak had 8 total spawns. Got excited and caught the shiny and saved so I didn't try any more permutations. But to answer your question yes it works on just the one outbreak within the MMO, and even the ones without stars give unique pokemon depending on your permutation of catches and KOs
@@neowolf09 are people doing all this with the shiny stone? I'm new to this and haven't finished my Dex but was wondering if this was just easier with a shiny stone or if I can still do it once I get to mass outbreaks in the game
@@miamidolfan19 shiny charm? It makes it easier, you can also perfect their entry in the pokedex to boost your chances of a shiny of that mon. I caught my shiny zorua with this method and I haven't got the shiny charm yet. I do have zorua pokedex entry perfected tho.
@@justsomeguywhoneverdies9210 so do you mean that when you get to the Alpha horde (on docile Pokémon) you just KO different amounts of Pokémon each try to change the next upcoming spawns? If so this should help because I'm having trouble with the Ralts line because their all scared away!
Hey Austin. Great YT channel! Started watching your ScarVi vids recently and they really helped. Raids, shinies, etc. Looking forward to your Samurott vid later on. I even started watching your Legends Arceus vids and it inspired me to re-visit the game. Thanks to this method and special shoutout to Brian for the additional permutations. I exhausted all 40-odd combinations for a 9-Pokémon MMO and on the final one, my alpha Oshawott shone brightly. Now a beautiful shiny alpha Samurott. My first shiny ever in the Osha family line, so thank you oh so much. Love your vids, keep them coming. I often just have them on repeat while playing the related game. I do not find them tedious, rather they are enjoyable to watch, time and time again. Your genuine feelings, reactions, opinions, etc are so valuable and enjoyable to watch. Thanks again, Allie.
I'm very easily confused when it comes to numbers and have severe brain fog so this helps SO much. Thanks for going the extra mile to help your audience!
I'm the exact same way. I feel dumb sometimes because I have a hard time with understanding what's being explained so it really really helps when people are thorough and clear about every step and why we do it. I really enjoy Austin's informational videos because he's pretty good at explaining things and covering possible mistakes or things that can happen. 😄
I used this method to catch a Shiny Alpha Dartix, had to use berries to get agro on them, took me to KO2, KO2, then caught them all after. Thank you for your work!
You're definitely the best legends arceus youtuber out there, man, I really admire the way you keep posting really informative videos every day. Your channel has helped me a lot with a lot of games, and I wish you all the success in the world
@@AustinJohnPlays Actually, if you read this, i do have a question. Do you think catching/battling the first alpha follow up pokemon makes a difference for the following? Like, catch 4 vs fight 2 catch 2 leading to different two to three follow up mons
Man I’m like a century old to the party but my first time trying this method I went and got a shiny Alpha Spiritomb, one of the rarest alpha shinies. Props to you for making this guide 💪
Absolutely amazing, makes these hunts so much better! I got a shiny decidueye doing this, I have also gotten a shiny quilava from the first horde of pokemon so there is also some unique ones in the original spawns, however i have noticed some mons are duplicates, for example one time i ko'd 3 bronzors and an alpha bronzong spawned (not in a new horde) and another time i ko'd 4 bronzors and that same alpha bronzong spawned, which i have no idea how that works
@@Josh-sh6oy I find a outbreak with a second horde, and save. catch them all, check the second horde (alphas/evos), if no shiny reset the game and then instead of catching them all i go into a 1v2 battle with them and kill both, after that i catch the rest and then if that second horde has no shinies i reset the game again, and then do the same thing with a 1v3 battle where i kill 3 and catch the rest, and if the second horde still doesnt have a shiny i reset the game and do a 1v4, catch the rest and see if that second horde has a shiny. once you do these and still dont get a shiny, you then start a 1v2, kill both and after that instead of catching them all like before you enter a second 1v2 in the same reset and kill both of them again, after that catch the remaining ones and check the second horde, if i still dont have a shiny from the second horde then you would next do a 1v2, and then a 1v3 after and catch the rest and check the second horde and reset if no shiny, do a 1v2 and then a 1v4 after and catch the rest, after those you have 3 more reliable configurations to try, a 1v3 and then a 1v2 after, two 1v3's, a 1v3 and then a 1v4 after. all these will have unique pokemon in that second horde, so to summarize it a bit, each reset you must change up the way you capture some of the pokemon because that will in turn cause new pokemon to spawn in that second horde. I hope this helps and let me know if i should clarify something further.
@@Hater8215 you have to make sure the red exclamation point shows up when they aggro, not only that they're attacking you. i tested this with yanma, and it seems that throwing sticky globs at them and standing in front of them (so you're within their line of sight) will cause them to aggro with the red exclamation point. do that with two of them and you should be able to get them in a double battle, though it may take some finagling if they're too far from each other or they're just being difficult lol
i don't think you've mentioned it here, but in Massive Mass Outbreak, the result of the permutations are already predetermined since you're still in the village. so say, if you catch them all and you get a shiny in the 6th pokemon, if you load your game, go to the same outbreak, you'll get that shiny in that 6th slot again. now, what this means is, if you have the time, you can just fly around and do all the outbreaks by catching them and see if you can get any shiny from the first 8 Pokemon and load everytime the Massive Mass Outbreak ran out, you can take note of that outbreak with the shiny and do other outbreaks in the next run. personally i always do this and do all the outbreaks first maybe i get an easy shiny from the first 8 Pokemon from the first outbreak, and then if there's a Pokemon outbreak in my want list that has an extra horde, i'll do that outbreak after i get the easy shiny.
16:54 they do. The order of catching-battling also makes a difference. I tried my massive mass outbreak 25 different ways and the 26th, 4catch-4kill gave my a shiny alpha, meanwhile 4kill-4catch didn't.
@@maxxetto8124 did you even watched the video? We are just talking about how further combinations that Austin said he doesn't tested worked for us XDDD
I don’t usually comment on videos but this is awesome. I just got my first shiny alpha ✨ using this. I got to permutation 11, and boop shiny alpha Braviary “entered the chat” lol. I’ve watched your videos for a long time, it was time to give credit where credit was due. Thank you
I’m doing this method as we speak with Spiritomb. I commented on your last video and I just so happened to answer my own question lol. I just did 4 rounds and all my alphas have been unique. So glad you put this video because I was just getting ready for combinations. Also my Spiritomb outbreak is 10 individuals with 6 alphas
After getting the shiny charm I've started my quest to perfect all electric type pokemon entries along with some shiny hunt and just got my female shiny Luxray following your system. Thanks a lot!
Thanks to your videos, I have several pastures filled with shinies and got my first alpha shiny last night. Thanks for putting in the work to crank these videos out!
For those that are having trouble multibattling, using mudballs (ie, stunning the pokemon) is a must for certain pokemon, such as oshawott. I had this problem for a while and this method worked for me.
I don't know it this helps but in this screen( 16:22 ) the Catch 1 - K.O. 2 - K.O. 4 was the only purmutation that spawned an Alpha before the last horde spawned So I guess catching pokemon in the begining and middle of the battles does generate more unique pokemon
Fun fact I did this by complete accident! I was hunting for Spiritomb for hours and only got one alpha horde with no shiny. I was so frustrated that I restarted my game and went back to beat them all up for xp and I ended up getting an alpha shiny Spiritomb!
I’m sure I’m not the only one, but I tested the full 25 combinations (with the extra 15 KO-catch combos) on an 8-spawn horde, and I CAN confirm that they produce all unique permutations. Encountered two shiny alpha Elekids in one outbreak at the 2KO-1Catch-3KO combo! I tracked each mon’s stats in every combination to ensure no duplicates. Thanks Austin John Plays for the great info and inspiration!!
@@gabrielguedes1910 yes, that’s correct. All of the catch-KO combinations produce different results from the KO-KO’s. So (with a horde that initially spawns 8 for example) you really do have 25 different results if you try all of them. 👍🏼
Thank you! When I watched this I didn’t want to do it because I thought it was going to be too difficult... but when there was an alpha horde of Zorua... I couldn’t resist. After 34 permutations I got the Shalpha Zorua! It’s really not that hard to do too, which makes me regret not doing this earlier for other cool Shalphas... I’ll get them one day tho lol
In short, this is a way to take the most advantage out of each Massive outbreak without relying exclusively on luck. Amazing work as always! No wonder you are currently the best Poketuber by far.
If anyone is wondering I tried the method that Austin himself said he wasn't quite sure and my lucky combo was catch 1 kill 3 catch 1 kill 4 and catch the final 1. In the next 4 alpha spawns I saw my beautiful alpha shiny Zorua.
Can confirm. I found a regular(non-star) outbreak with 10 zorua spawns, and 7 zoroark alphas. Did the following until a shiny alpha zoroark spawned. (number = KO in a 1vX; c = catch/kill 1v1) 2cccccccc, c2ccccccc, cc2cccccc, ccc2ccccc, cccc2cccc, ccccc2ccc, cccccc2cc, ccccccc2c, cccccccc2 3ccccccc, c3cccccc, cc3ccccc, ccc3cccc Tried it dozens of times (10+ hours) on 2 different 9-zorua/6-zoroark(alpha) outbreaks, with no luck.
It seems impossible to try to engage some pokemon with more than 2 in combat at the same time, for some reason. Like dewotts and roselias, despite being aggroed and in very close vicinity, for some reason, it does not initiate combat with those pokemon when they are the types of pokemon which only aggro after you're aggressive towards them and not with line of sight. It's extremely painful, they run in every random direction and luring them close quarters doesn't work either. I have dewott outbreak which spawns a new horde too and I'm losing my mind trying to get new rounds of spawns. Edit: Finally managed to find the strat for these pesky monsters and first is to lure then close via oran berries, then quickly stun each with sticky globs. When they get out of stuns, even if they rush away, you can initiate a battle with all 4.
smack those pokémon with sticky globs and throw ultra balls. makes it so fast i almost feel dumb for not doing it the entire game. combat is too long. just smack em with items and have poke balls near the item you’re using to stun them. switch between em. smack, catch, smack, catch.
Even trying this berry and stun method I CANNOT get cyndaquils to do a 2v1 battle. There’s alpha cyndaquil in the second horde and it’s so frustrating 😩
@@stoutlandish580 I've been doing some testing and I figured out a method for pokemon who only become aggressive once attacked but won't run away (not cyndaquil sadly): Sticky glob works almost like a tagging method, the moment you glob a pokemon, you can throw your own next to them and it will pull those sticky globed pokemon to battle. It works even if they are still stunned. You do not need to stun the pokemon with globs to tag them (lv3 evo pokemons). The tag sticks for as long as the pokemon stay in combat with you and don't deaggro (dots speech bubble on their head) and it works even if they try to outrange you (prefer to have them close quarters for foolproof). Don't directly bonk a pokemon with your own though, that overrides this method. You can glob as many pokemon as you need to at given time and select how many and which ones you want to battle. Alpha pokemon will probably still join the battle anyway if aggroed. I did not test this one properly. Tested this extensively with grotle yesterday and it worked like a charm, so I did iterations for 2 hours and got no shiny rip.
Just commenting to announce, following a combo of this and aDrive's guide, I got a Shiny Alpha Rotom! And with the "untested" methods of mixing battling and catching, too. I watched aDrive's video first, did all the catch 1, catch 2, catch 3, and catch 4 and battle options from his video - nothing. Watched this video, did all the battle 2, battle 3, battle 4 options - nothing. Began the experimental parts of battle 2, catch 1, battle 2 - nothing, but on battle 2, catch 1, battle 3 - SHINY! Absolutely worth it. That was 30 permutations I had attempted.
Thanks Austin John for taking the time to do all this for us =) I appreciate you for sure! I am super happy to turn around and hunt my favorite shinys this way
Dude, the effort here is amazing. I already understood the gist of the method thanks to the other video but I'm just here to support my man Austin John.
Fun Fact: This method works with any outbreak with a second horde, even if the second horde is not an alpha horde. How I know this is because first round had an alpha on the second horde. But when I did the requirements for second round, there was no alpha. I got a non-alpha shiny Sneasler in the fifth round.
Tip: For the pokemon that don't like to join multi-battles even though they are both aggressing and nearby (dartrix as example). Knock them with a stun item first, then they will join. Or a berry, actually a great use for all those oran berries I know yall got.
I went into a massive mass outbreak, I found a outbreak of Dartrix no star icon or berry icon. After beating the first wave it said 2nd wave was forming and it was Alpha Decidueye.! O_O So I decided to do these steps since the first wave was 10 Pokémon I went with the 10 Pokémon chart. All Pokémon were completely different but I guess no shiny Alpha Decidueye after doing all 19, only regular Alphas (w/ shiny charm & perfect pokedex complete) I guess in this outbreak it wasn’t my luck….
Same bro I did a heracross outbreak today up to 15 and I had double golbat up to 10 didn’t get Jack missed two random spawns since if I caught it I was gonna loose out break
I’m starting to think if it doesn’t have the star icon then “if” you get a 2nd wave, that 2nd wave can’t be shiny unless the outbreak has a star icon 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you so much for this breakdown I was super confused by the initial video but I feel like with this breakdown and me putting into practice I’ll have it down in no time. Man i really hope they make more Pokémon games like this this honestly puts all the others to shame and that’s saying a lot because I absolutely love the rest of them.
So if I'm understanding this correctly : - Get an MMO, save - Follow that exact chart to the letter till 10 resets - No shiny after 10 resets? Keep going to try somewhere else - This method is specifically for Pokemon that can aggro you - This method is specifically fo MMO areas that will have a second batch of Pokemon guaranteed to spawn ( with the star icon ) Right? Or did I miss something? I'm also confused how the game data calculates it and saves a chain. Is that similar to how the game data itself pre-saves things in its memory for spawns to always be the same? And how did you specifically get ALPHA spawns, too? I'm also having problems fighting the Pokemon in groups, too.
-Step 1 save in Jubilife -Step 2 Check the desired region for an outbreak of choice (preferably with a star seeing as those have a guaranteed second hord, however you can also do is check out an outbreak that doesn’t have star, there is a low chance that there is a second hord as well, this method also works and yes the second hord will remain at that specific outbreak no matter if you reset the game again and go from jubilife village) -Step 3 catch the first 4 and count how many pokemons appeared in both hordes -Step 4 return and have the bot scan your Pokemons -Step 5 fill out the outbreak information and have it run the permutations -Step 6 reset game -Step 7 go to the outbreak and run the line to get the pokemon you want accordingly This method works best for pokemon that can aggro because it’s easier to have multiple battles with them, however if the permutations only have A1s and G1s then you can also use the method on timid pokemons but the likelihood is lower. The way the method works is because the game is seeded, there are specific givens, the seed determines what mass out break happens and likewise provides a set of rules kinda like programming, if player catches/faints 1 pokemon spawn 1 regular pokemon, if player catches/faints 2 pokemon spawn shiny pokemon and etc. The bot with the seed and outbreak information runs the right permutations in order to calculate the possible route to a shiny alpha or regular alpha depending on what’s available, sometimes you can only get a shiny and not an alpha shiny, it has to do with the outbreak seed possibilities and sometimes Shiny Alpha are not possible in that specific outbreak in the seed. I tried it for fun with a Luxray mass outbreak I found, I caught them one by one and only got a regular luxray, then for fun I reset it and instead of catching them 1 by 1 I caught them all in a simultaneous battle which made the 8th spawn always shiny, I did it again just to confirm it wasn’t luck and was the correct permutation/route and it worked.
@@kimriconalla8367 unfortunately so far there's no way to manipulate how 2nd horde to spawn as an alpha. Like for example pachirisu, always spawn alpha because there's no other evolution option. But I get spiritomb alpha from non star icon after clearing the outbreak, you can always try to clear it and hope it will spawn second horde, and as alpha
just got my first shiny alpha today. wasn't was this method I just randomly found it (I do have the shiny charm though) whilst looking for buried treasure on Ursaluna. The funny thing is, the ride Pokemon said there was treasure, I followed the signals, found and caught the shiny and then the Ursaluna was like "Nah, no treasure here now". Guess the shiny was the treasure.
Yes, I have been testing this myself. In an outbreak of 10 in the first wave and 6 into he 2nd, I believe there are 90 different combinations that give unique spawns in the 2nd wave. That is potentially 540 different checks if you're willing to put in the work.
So for an outbreak of 10, do all these combos work? I'm about half way through on a growlithe outbreak and no shinies yet. Just want to make sure I'm not wasting my time lol
@@JJCOLFAX They do work, I've found several shinies after 40-50 combinations. Still no guarantees though. I just went through all 94 combinations for a shiny Alpha Overqwil and didn't find any shiny. That's just rough odds.
@@JJCOLFAX Congrats! I ended up finding out about ghost spawns which gave a LOT more possibilities. Eventually got the shiny after exactly 100 permutations. So if you're ever unlucky enough to go a full set without finding the shiny, you can always google those.
Hi Austin John. I’m just wondering what are the chances that you can get a shiny on Massive Mass Outbreaks in this conditions. Especially on a new hoard spawns. 1. Research Level is not 10. 2. Research Level 10 for some pokemon but no shiny Charm 3. Research Level 10 for all pokemon with shiny Charm. 4 Complete dex and shiny charm.
Thanks again Professor Austin John... Always appreciative of the amount of time you put into your research and sharing your findings with Pokemon Trainers
I think I can confirm the additional KO-Catch combos (at least, some of them) work. I was hunting for an alpha shiny zorua, and went through all normal tested permutations for a group of nine… nothing. So I figured I’d just try some of the KO-Catch ones just to see, and about… oh, 21 permutations down, trying KO’ing two, catching two, and then KO’ing 4, the second horde had my alpha shiny zorua!
I can also confirm this, but I had 8 instead of 9. Am currently hunting the same pokemon as you and 2 of the combo simulations yielded different results. KO2/C1/KO2 had a Zoroark spawn as the 7th pokemon (which had never happened previously), and C1/KO2/C(Rest) spawned an alpha Zorua as the 8th pokemon. Glad to know they work, but now it's a lot more work on my plate; but who said shiny hunting (let alone shiny alpha hunting) was easy Edit: Found Alpha Shiny Zoroark on C2/KO3/C3; my life is complete
Two extra cents of advice: if you are willing to battle multiple pkm at once, and ended up entering a battle with more of them than you need, you can still use that battle to your advantage -- you just need to defeat the amount of pkm you want and run from the battle with the remaining pkm alive. In other words, the knockouts after a battle are what counts towards the new spawns. As an example, entering a battle with two pkm and defeating them both is the same as entering a battle with all 4, defeating two of them, and running from the battle to wait for the two next spawns.
Thanks to this, I got the pokemon I told myself I would never go for, shiny Spiritomb and an alpha Spiritomb to boot. Thanks for putting all the time and effort you did into this.
It is unfortunate that there's no way to do this for docile Pokemon, I really want to hunt a few alphas that are docile only (Ralts line). Guess I'll just have to keep checking the guaranteed alphas in case they ever shine.
@@AustinJohnPlays That's true, if one appears PAST the first 4, can I still use some permutations? I'd think some of the ones from the end of the video (catching/killing combos) would still work, right?
02:25 I remember asking this on twitter yesterday I was just really confused lol :) And also thanks for the method I got shiny voltorb and shiny bidoof
Austin thank you so much for all the work you have put into your content for Arceus it has been hugely helpful for my play through and I also appreciate your spoiler free area by area videos I was able to play along after experiencing an area using it so find everything! Again thank you!
Caught all, no shiny, reset. Knocked out 2, no shiny, reset. Knocked out 3... Shiny Dartrix spawns in horde 1. Took less than 10 minutes. Superb guide, its very helpful! Makes me wonder if there'll be a way discovered to hunt docile Pokemon in the future.
Austin John is a hero. I can't believe I hadn't subbed to him earlier. Could of sworn I had before but I aint gonna hesitate to do it again! Love the content and your dedication to the game and the us fans! THANK YOU for everything!
tested this on gliscor and i got shiny gliscor in 8 permutations thanks! edit: got a 18 permutation shiny alpha heracross and 25 permutation shiny alpha ursaluna within 4 hours of doing this method
Yeah, it is not a great shiny but it was a shiny alpha, which was the great part. My favorite shiny that I got with this method was a shiny alpha typhlosion. I got that after the Gengar.
Hey Austin, great vid and info as always! I was wondering if you have these spreadsheets available to copy somewhere? I'd love to get in on testing and try all the ko-catch combo variations.
Took me writing it down to remember a set order so I can keep myself from losing track of where I am in the permutations. Tried it out on a Skorupi outbreak with * mark for a second horde, was able to get my first alpha shiny after 7 resets! Thank you for the breakdown and the video Austin!
Thank you for making all these videos! I haven't found a shiny alpha yet, but I hope I will soon using this method. Also, will you ever make a compilation of your LoA shiny reactions? You remind me of myself when a random shiny appears unexpectedly and it never fails to make me laugh. 😂
I just caught a shiny alpha Heracross in a massive mass outbreak by knocking out 3 in a 3 vs 1 then catching 6, when it popped out i couldn’t believe it
Shoutout to this video I got a shiny Kleavor on the last test of a horde of 8. Very easy to follow and so helpful with the bookmarks. Thank you so much!
Austin John, it never ceases to amaze me how much effort you put into your videos. Amazing how much time and dedication you put into them and how fast you’re able to do it. The absolute best poketuber out there. Thanks dude, you deserve so many more subs!
Austin thanks for the work you put in gathering data like this. I had stumbled across an alpha spiritomb outbreak last night and gave the method a go and was very lucky after twenty minutes to find a shiny alpha. Thanks again.
okay so i just tested this method out on a Bergmite outbreak, 8 spawns prior, 7 alpha spawns. I did your list from top to bottom, it didn't work out, but when i decided "you know what? why not, i'll start it over & try again" it wasn't until I hit 2 KOs/Catch the rest that when the alphas spawned, I got the damn shiny alpha Bergmite lol so even if you go through the entire list of the method one time, start over & keep trying guys! & thank you Austin! I was truly confused about your research video on this method but because you made the explanation so simple here, i got it right away!
Would you mind sharing the Google doc with all the different permutations so people can use it as a checklist without having to scribble everything down? What better way to shiny than by standing on the shoulders of giants 💖
Austin John. I've encountered an MMO with 10 starting horde. I used your combination, i can't believe it worked. I'm about to give up mid way. I still continued to help you prove that your combination works. Though the process lead me from 2-0-0 until the 2-3-3 combo. 🤣 Glad i've got my Alpha Shiny Carnivine through the long process.
Here's my findings for research purposes: for starters, this method definitely still works. I got 2 shiny alphas relatively early on (the 1st 10-15 permutations). I have a horde of 10 heracross with 6 alphas and have been hunting for one with no luck, currently on permutation #80. Just a bit of info, I found that I wasnt often getting any random alpha spawns during the initial "Catch/KO" phases. It only happened 2-3 times during the early and middle permutations. Again, currently on permutation 80, and haven't seen a single random alpha spawn in a very long time.
Since I'm doing alpha zoruas and now I'm getting zoroarks spawning which I haven't been getting before doing this method is it a sign it's working? Update: IT HAPPENED
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Austin John.. the literal real-life Pokémon researcher/professor
Love it.
I think he goes by “Professor Plays”
Couldn't have said it better myself!
Right?! He is the Pokémon Prof we have needed! 😁
Ikr
I know this video is old, but this guide was super useful for me in 2023 now. Got a alpha shiny Typhlosion that is going to join me now in Violet DLC.
I like that we went from "never battle because advance" to "always battle multiple because advance".
options are important
i thought this aswell, the blaines suggested option screws you over if you can redo the outbreak but since you cant here, they are equally efficient and one is just falsely clickbaited, but combining this advance swapping for reseeding works wonders.
@@user-py7qh8bn8s is the same tbh the only difference is that one video does a better job at explaining it
It is possible to force docile pokemon into battles by tagging them with sticky globs when they are all nearby and then tossing down your attacking mon at their feet. Dont hit any of them with the attacker as it will initiate a 1v1 battle. This can be tricky, so lure them together with a berry first.
Update: further testing indicates this doesn't work with skiddish pokemon, such as unown.
Thank you!! Needed this because I want a shiny Buneary so bad
Any tips for Petilil? I glob two or three but when I throw my mon only one stays
Heads up, it doesn’t work for Pokémon that run away(at least from my experience). Docile Pokémon are Pokémon like Bergmite/Yanma/Aipom who don’t attack you unless you anger them. Pokémon like Buneary won’t work with the method.
@@flerken4233 it seems that way. I tried it with an unown outbreak that had an alpha second wave and could only get 1 at a time.
This doesn’t work at all… been trying for over two hours… was really hoping we had something
I have to say, I was a little intimidated about trying that method after your last video, but this is just what I needed. Thank you for doing this!
This got me an Alpha Zorua in about 25 mins after looking for nearly a full year. I can not thank you enough for this!
Currently doing this cause I wanna bring it to violet
@@PhenomMari good luck!! I hope you can get one! 💕💕
I almost expected Austin to say, "If things get too hairy, just fly with Braviary!"
Got a shiny alpha spiritomb today thanks to this video! The 15 permutations tested by Austin didnt work for me but one of the other 42 ( cause the first horde had 9 spiritomb ) at 16:54 worked
it's nice that somebody has tried the other permutations and succeeded! 😁
Is this table somewere available to download?
Me too! I have noticed though if you are scouting multiple massive outbreaks from town the regular spawner seed will change each time you go into an area, so if you wanted to see what all the pokemon are in an outbreak and see a shiny of a regular spawn you won't see it again if exit the game and go back there from town.
A little late, but I can confirm too it works! I was trying one of the last permutations for the 8 mon hordes, with almost no hope left, and got a ShAlpha Typhlosion even though the second horde wasn't even an alpha one!
I've done 19 permutations for shiny alpha Spiritomb and nothing yet 😭
I did a massive mass outbreak for rotom and got a reg shiny one. I continued cause there were alphas and got a shiny alpha in the same horde!
Same thing happened to me except it was a piplup and there wasn’t even the sparkle symbol it was just a random second wave
I wish man. I’ve been grinding shiny rotom for days and my mind is going smooth af. I’ve got every other shiny I want so easy except this one
@@Therealkarp damn lmao I found a random shiny rotom that was just chillin in the highlands
I had the same happen earlier with a spheal outbreak. Got the shiny, was going to leave. Decided to catch the last 2, and a new horde spawned of alpha sealio with a shiny. Was so happy I didn't leave haha
Thank you for the video, it helps alot and I managed to get Shiny Alpha Decidueye, Spiritomb and Magmortar.
It was a Dartrix outbreak with star, they are considered docile and seldom engage 4v1 battle. I tried throwing Sticky Globs at each quickly to get their aggressive on and managed to get into the 4v1 battle.
On my 10th try of "kill 2 kill 2 catch the rest", Shiny Alpha Dartrix appeared.
I find these permutations work better with perfect pokedex entry.
Once again, thanks Austin.
Your amazing I couldn't figure out how to get a 3v1 or 4v1 with dartrix and you helped me out a ton now I can finally shiny hunt this fancy owl
YO this is so freaking well-described and analyzed. We can tell you worked really hard on this and we are all greatly appreciative of your efforts to help all of us get our favorite shinies!
I love this guide. It looks complicated at first but it is simple once you do it a couple times.
I managed to get an alpha Haunter, an alpha Ursaluna (great thing for someone who never evolved an Ursaring), and finally on the third attempt got a shiny alpha Snover. Currently hunting a Bronzor outbreak, those thing are so difficult to aim pokeballs at them lol they are so tiny.
Edit: This method also seems to work to an extent with regular mass outbreaks. I did a test on a Walrein outbreak, first i captured everything and wrote their data in an excel; then i restarted the game (i saved in front of the outbreak), did a 4v1 battle and all but one of the Walreins that spawned after that were completely different from the 13 original pokemons that i caught in the first try. I dont know the exact permutations on regular outbreaks, but considering regular outbreaks have a higher shiny chance, this may be worth trying.
This morning I caught a shiny unown, teddyursa and drapion. In the same massive outbreak.
Nice! I got a Dewott, Snorunt and Abra on first encounter massive mass outbreaks.
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I got Rhydon and goomy
@@TC-do4qm I can provide video evidence.
Nice
This does still work btw for anyone wanting the sinnoh starters
These videos are amazing for my analytical brain, it’s like statistics meets Pokémon and I’m living for it. Thanks for making clear your last video but also I really appreciate the original where we see your trials and thought process!
There is no statistics here tho, only algebra …
Hey Austin, just wanted to say that the extra permutations do work! I just got my shiny alpha spiritomb this way. I got up to the point where I caught 1, battled 2, battled 4, then caught the last one
Did all this work in one outbreak or was it a few?
@@danthonywilliams6444 I made a comment about this as well, didn't get an alpha shiny but wasn't one with a star on it. I got through 9 permutations, all of them on the same outbreak, no shiny no save, reset, do next permutation.
Got a shiny zorua on my 9th permutation. Outbreak had 8 total spawns. Got excited and caught the shiny and saved so I didn't try any more permutations.
But to answer your question yes it works on just the one outbreak within the MMO, and even the ones without stars give unique pokemon depending on your permutation of catches and KOs
@@neowolf09 are people doing all this with the shiny stone? I'm new to this and haven't finished my Dex but was wondering if this was just easier with a shiny stone or if I can still do it once I get to mass outbreaks in the game
@@miamidolfan19 shiny charm? It makes it easier, you can also perfect their entry in the pokedex to boost your chances of a shiny of that mon.
I caught my shiny zorua with this method and I haven't got the shiny charm yet. I do have zorua pokedex entry perfected tho.
@@neowolf09 okay, yeah shiny charm. Cool that's good to know. Thanks I appreciate it
i got 3 shiny alpha today using your method. Gengar, Pachirisu, Staravia
How did you manage Pachi when they don't gang up?
@@MrUnironicEnthusiasm it lies
@@MrUnironicEnthusiasm if you don't know, you can do this method on the 2nd round (alpha Pachirisu). Austin made a video about it before this video
@@Adrian_Weekly k
@@justsomeguywhoneverdies9210 so do you mean that when you get to the Alpha horde (on docile Pokémon) you just KO different amounts of Pokémon each try to change the next upcoming spawns? If so this should help because I'm having trouble with the Ralts line because their all scared away!
Hey Austin. Great YT channel! Started watching your ScarVi vids recently and they really helped. Raids, shinies, etc. Looking forward to your Samurott vid later on.
I even started watching your Legends Arceus vids and it inspired me to re-visit the game.
Thanks to this method and special shoutout to Brian for the additional permutations. I exhausted all 40-odd combinations for a 9-Pokémon MMO and on the final one, my alpha Oshawott shone brightly. Now a beautiful shiny alpha Samurott. My first shiny ever in the Osha family line, so thank you oh so much.
Love your vids, keep them coming. I often just have them on repeat while playing the related game. I do not find them tedious, rather they are enjoyable to watch, time and time again. Your genuine feelings, reactions, opinions, etc are so valuable and enjoyable to watch.
Thanks again, Allie.
I'm very easily confused when it comes to numbers and have severe brain fog so this helps SO much. Thanks for going the extra mile to help your audience!
I'm the exact same way. I feel dumb sometimes because I have a hard time with understanding what's being explained so it really really helps when people are thorough and clear about every step and why we do it. I really enjoy Austin's informational videos because he's pretty good at explaining things and covering possible mistakes or things that can happen. 😄
I used this method to catch a Shiny Alpha Dartix, had to use berries to get agro on them, took me to KO2, KO2, then caught them all after.
Thank you for your work!
You're definitely the best legends arceus youtuber out there, man, I really admire the way you keep posting really informative videos every day. Your channel has helped me a lot with a lot of games, and I wish you all the success in the world
He's got alot on all pokemon games and Breathe of The Wild too
@@lilbyrd27 shout out to BOTW guides lol
@@readyupwait6138 shout out to shrine hunters
@@AustinJohnPlays Oh that helped me a lot for BotW.
@@AustinJohnPlays Actually, if you read this, i do have a question. Do you think catching/battling the first alpha follow up pokemon makes a difference for the following?
Like, catch 4 vs fight 2 catch 2 leading to different two to three follow up mons
Man I’m like a century old to the party but my first time trying this method I went and got a shiny Alpha Spiritomb, one of the rarest alpha shinies. Props to you for making this guide 💪
That's such a good one
Absolutely amazing, makes these hunts so much better! I got a shiny decidueye doing this, I have also gotten a shiny quilava from the first horde of pokemon so there is also some unique ones in the original spawns, however i have noticed some mons are duplicates, for example one time i ko'd 3 bronzors and an alpha bronzong spawned (not in a new horde) and another time i ko'd 4 bronzors and that same alpha bronzong spawned, which i have no idea how that works
The “same” bronzong could still technically be different ones
Can you explain your method? I kinda of dont understand the video well.. just go through what you do step by step pls
@@Josh-sh6oy I find a outbreak with a second horde, and save. catch them all, check the second horde (alphas/evos), if no shiny reset the game and then instead of catching them all i go into a 1v2 battle with them and kill both, after that i catch the rest and then if that second horde has no shinies i reset the game again, and then do the same thing with a 1v3 battle where i kill 3 and catch the rest, and if the second horde still doesnt have a shiny i reset the game and do a 1v4, catch the rest and see if that second horde has a shiny. once you do these and still dont get a shiny, you then start a 1v2, kill both and after that instead of catching them all like before you enter a second 1v2 in the same reset and kill both of them again, after that catch the remaining ones and check the second horde, if i still dont have a shiny from the second horde then you would next do a 1v2, and then a 1v3 after and catch the rest and check the second horde and reset if no shiny, do a 1v2 and then a 1v4 after and catch the rest, after those you have 3 more reliable configurations to try, a 1v3 and then a 1v2 after, two 1v3's, a 1v3 and then a 1v4 after. all these will have unique pokemon in that second horde, so to summarize it a bit, each reset you must change up the way you capture some of the pokemon because that will in turn cause new pokemon to spawn in that second horde. I hope this helps and let me know if i should clarify something further.
Dartrix just won’t engage in a double/triple battle with me although they’re all going after me .. every time only one stays ;-; how did you do it ?
@@Hater8215 you have to make sure the red exclamation point shows up when they aggro, not only that they're attacking you. i tested this with yanma, and it seems that throwing sticky globs at them and standing in front of them (so you're within their line of sight) will cause them to aggro with the red exclamation point. do that with two of them and you should be able to get them in a double battle, though it may take some finagling if they're too far from each other or they're just being difficult lol
i don't think you've mentioned it here, but in Massive Mass Outbreak, the result of the permutations are already predetermined since you're still in the village. so say, if you catch them all and you get a shiny in the 6th pokemon, if you load your game, go to the same outbreak, you'll get that shiny in that 6th slot again.
now, what this means is, if you have the time, you can just fly around and do all the outbreaks by catching them and see if you can get any shiny from the first 8 Pokemon and load everytime the Massive Mass Outbreak ran out, you can take note of that outbreak with the shiny and do other outbreaks in the next run.
personally i always do this and do all the outbreaks first maybe i get an easy shiny from the first 8 Pokemon from the first outbreak, and then if there's a Pokemon outbreak in my want list that has an extra horde, i'll do that outbreak after i get the easy shiny.
He mentioned that in the original video on Massive Mass Outbreaks.
So I can’t affect how the 2nd appears?
16:54 they do. The order of catching-battling also makes a difference. I tried my massive mass outbreak 25 different ways and the 26th, 4catch-4kill gave my a shiny alpha, meanwhile 4kill-4catch didn't.
So I could go down the chart, not get a shiny, and go back up the chart in reverse order for double the rerolls?
Seems like it, worked for me.
Yes they work, Just got my shiny alpha shinx killing 3, Catching 1 and killing 2 in that order for a 9 pokemon outbreak
@@OSOnastor_ you initiated at 5 if you killed 2.
You're aren't saying anything nothing other than what Austin said in the video.
@@maxxetto8124 did you even watched the video? We are just talking about how further combinations that Austin said he doesn't tested worked for us XDDD
I don’t usually comment on videos but this is awesome. I just got my first shiny alpha ✨ using this. I got to permutation 11, and boop shiny alpha Braviary “entered the chat” lol. I’ve watched your videos for a long time, it was time to give credit where credit was due. Thank you
I’m doing this method as we speak with Spiritomb. I commented on your last video and I just so happened to answer my own question lol. I just did 4 rounds and all my alphas have been unique. So glad you put this video because I was just getting ready for combinations. Also my Spiritomb outbreak is 10 individuals with 6 alphas
After getting the shiny charm I've started my quest to perfect all electric type pokemon entries along with some shiny hunt and just got my female shiny Luxray following your system. Thanks a lot!
Thanks to your videos, I have several pastures filled with shinies and got my first alpha shiny last night. Thanks for putting in the work to crank these videos out!
For those that are having trouble multibattling, using mudballs (ie, stunning the pokemon) is a must for certain pokemon, such as oshawott. I had this problem for a while and this method worked for me.
I’m surprised u didn’t get a random shiny in this tutorial. Lol. Great and informative video!!
I was waiting for it too. Bird, bug or stone. 😅
This video may be a year old but I started PLA not that long ago and this helped me get a shiny alpha zorua! Thanks as always Austin John!
I don't know it this helps but in this screen( 16:22 ) the Catch 1 - K.O. 2 - K.O. 4 was the only purmutation that spawned an Alpha before the last horde spawned
So I guess catching pokemon in the begining and middle of the battles does generate more unique pokemon
3-19-2024 I can confirm this method still works. Just caught an alpha shiny Spiritomb after 25 permutation tries!!!
Your a hero for doing all this research. Screenshotting and comparing all these potential options. Thanks Austin John.
The pause and then “if you wanna learn how to turn it to 71” got me LOL
Fun fact I did this by complete accident! I was hunting for Spiritomb for hours and only got one alpha horde with no shiny. I was so frustrated that I restarted my game and went back to beat them all up for xp and I ended up getting an alpha shiny Spiritomb!
LMAO
Yo this works so well. Finally got my shiny zorua thankyou Austin John 😁
I’m sure I’m not the only one, but I tested the full 25 combinations (with the extra 15 KO-catch combos) on an 8-spawn horde, and I CAN confirm that they produce all unique permutations. Encountered two shiny alpha Elekids in one outbreak at the 2KO-1Catch-3KO combo! I tracked each mon’s stats in every combination to ensure no duplicates. Thanks Austin John Plays for the great info and inspiration!!
In short, the KO-Catch-KO method also produces unique results, just like the multiple KO only?
@@gabrielguedes1910 yes, that’s correct. All of the catch-KO combinations produce different results from the KO-KO’s. So (with a horde that initially spawns 8 for example) you really do have 25 different results if you try all of them. 👍🏼
Can you help me with just a simple easy method? Simplify it for me please
Thank you! When I watched this I didn’t want to do it because I thought it was going to be too difficult... but when there was an alpha horde of Zorua... I couldn’t resist. After 34 permutations I got the Shalpha Zorua! It’s really not that hard to do too, which makes me regret not doing this earlier for other cool Shalphas... I’ll get them one day tho lol
Hi I am kinda confused how do you go past 10?
Lol I got that after only a couple zorua outbreaks
In short, this is a way to take the most advantage out of each Massive outbreak without relying exclusively on luck. Amazing work as always! No wonder you are currently the best Poketuber by far.
Wow, watched this video and got my Alpha Shiny Carnivine on the FIRST TRY! Thank you Austin John!
If anyone is wondering I tried the method that Austin himself said he wasn't quite sure and my lucky combo was catch 1 kill 3 catch 1 kill 4 and catch the final 1. In the next 4 alpha spawns I saw my beautiful alpha shiny Zorua.
Can confirm. I found a regular(non-star) outbreak with 10 zorua spawns, and 7 zoroark alphas. Did the following until a shiny alpha zoroark spawned. (number = KO in a 1vX; c = catch/kill 1v1)
2cccccccc, c2ccccccc, cc2cccccc, ccc2ccccc, cccc2cccc, ccccc2ccc, cccccc2cc, ccccccc2c, cccccccc2
3ccccccc, c3cccccc, cc3ccccc, ccc3cccc
Tried it dozens of times (10+ hours) on 2 different 9-zorua/6-zoroark(alpha) outbreaks, with no luck.
It seems impossible to try to engage some pokemon with more than 2 in combat at the same time, for some reason. Like dewotts and roselias, despite being aggroed and in very close vicinity, for some reason, it does not initiate combat with those pokemon when they are the types of pokemon which only aggro after you're aggressive towards them and not with line of sight. It's extremely painful, they run in every random direction and luring them close quarters doesn't work either. I have dewott outbreak which spawns a new horde too and I'm losing my mind trying to get new rounds of spawns.
Edit: Finally managed to find the strat for these pesky monsters and first is to lure then close via oran berries, then quickly stun each with sticky globs. When they get out of stuns, even if they rush away, you can initiate a battle with all 4.
smack those pokémon with sticky globs and throw ultra balls. makes it so fast i almost feel dumb for not doing it the entire game. combat is too long. just smack em with items and have poke balls near the item you’re using to stun them. switch between em. smack, catch, smack, catch.
Omg I’m trying for samurott and Dewott is making me want to quit. I’ll try this
Even trying this berry and stun method I CANNOT get cyndaquils to do a 2v1 battle. There’s alpha cyndaquil in the second horde and it’s so frustrating 😩
This does not work
@@stoutlandish580 I've been doing some testing and I figured out a method for pokemon who only become aggressive once attacked but won't run away (not cyndaquil sadly):
Sticky glob works almost like a tagging method, the moment you glob a pokemon, you can throw your own next to them and it will pull those sticky globed pokemon to battle. It works even if they are still stunned. You do not need to stun the pokemon with globs to tag them (lv3 evo pokemons). The tag sticks for as long as the pokemon stay in combat with you and don't deaggro (dots speech bubble on their head) and it works even if they try to outrange you (prefer to have them close quarters for foolproof). Don't directly bonk a pokemon with your own though, that overrides this method. You can glob as many pokemon as you need to at given time and select how many and which ones you want to battle.
Alpha pokemon will probably still join the battle anyway if aggroed. I did not test this one properly.
Tested this extensively with grotle yesterday and it worked like a charm, so I did iterations for 2 hours and got no shiny rip.
Thank you for this video it made the whole process much more simpler for my pea brain to understand
I just caught myself a Shiny Alpha Spiritomb with this method. You're an absolute legend and thank you for all you do.
This was SO WELL SAID!
Thank you for explaining in depth, I was a bit confused in the original video 😅
Just commenting to announce, following a combo of this and aDrive's guide, I got a Shiny Alpha Rotom! And with the "untested" methods of mixing battling and catching, too.
I watched aDrive's video first, did all the catch 1, catch 2, catch 3, and catch 4 and battle options from his video - nothing.
Watched this video, did all the battle 2, battle 3, battle 4 options - nothing.
Began the experimental parts of battle 2, catch 1, battle 2 - nothing, but on battle 2, catch 1, battle 3 - SHINY!
Absolutely worth it. That was 30 permutations I had attempted.
Thanks Austin John for taking the time to do all this for us =) I appreciate you for sure! I am super happy to turn around and hunt my favorite shinys this way
Dude, the effort here is amazing. I already understood the gist of the method thanks to the other video but I'm just here to support my man Austin John.
Fun Fact: This method works with any outbreak with a second horde, even if the second horde is not an alpha horde. How I know this is because first round had an alpha on the second horde. But when I did the requirements for second round, there was no alpha. I got a non-alpha shiny Sneasler in the fifth round.
Done this on 3 different sets of alpha mass outbreaks and not one shiny, must just not have the best of luck at all :/
Tip: For the pokemon that don't like to join multi-battles even though they are both aggressing and nearby (dartrix as example). Knock them with a stun item first, then they will join.
Or a berry, actually a great use for all those oran berries I know yall got.
Hero right here!
I went into a massive mass outbreak, I found a outbreak of Dartrix no star icon or berry icon. After beating the first wave it said 2nd wave was forming and it was Alpha Decidueye.! O_O
So I decided to do these steps since the first wave was 10 Pokémon I went with the 10 Pokémon chart. All Pokémon were completely different but I guess no shiny Alpha Decidueye after doing all 19, only regular Alphas (w/ shiny charm & perfect pokedex complete) I guess in this outbreak it wasn’t my luck….
Same bro I did a heracross outbreak today up to 15 and I had double golbat up to 10 didn’t get Jack missed two random spawns since if I caught it I was gonna loose out break
I’m starting to think if it doesn’t have the star icon then “if” you get a 2nd wave, that 2nd wave can’t be shiny unless the outbreak has a star icon 🤷🏻♂️
@@calamityvalley3491 nah i got a rotom a couple days ago at 23 with 10 and zoura on 14 with 10 as well its really just luck
Thank you so much for this breakdown I was super confused by the initial video but I feel like with this breakdown and me putting into practice I’ll have it down in no time. Man i really hope they make more Pokémon games like this this honestly puts all the others to shame and that’s saying a lot because I absolutely love the rest of them.
So if I'm understanding this correctly :
- Get an MMO, save
- Follow that exact chart to the letter till 10 resets
- No shiny after 10 resets? Keep going to try somewhere else
- This method is specifically for Pokemon that can aggro you
- This method is specifically fo MMO areas that will have a second batch of Pokemon guaranteed to spawn ( with the star icon )
Right? Or did I miss something? I'm also confused how the game data calculates it and saves a chain. Is that similar to how the game data itself pre-saves things in its memory for spawns to always be the same? And how did you specifically get ALPHA spawns, too?
I'm also having problems fighting the Pokemon in groups, too.
-Step 1 save in Jubilife
-Step 2 Check the desired region for an outbreak of choice (preferably with a star seeing as those have a guaranteed second hord, however you can also do is check out an outbreak that doesn’t have star, there is a low chance that there is a second hord as well, this method also works and yes the second hord will remain at that specific outbreak no matter if you reset the game again and go from jubilife village)
-Step 3 catch the first 4 and count how many pokemons appeared in both hordes
-Step 4 return and have the bot scan your Pokemons
-Step 5 fill out the outbreak information and have it run the permutations
-Step 6 reset game
-Step 7 go to the outbreak and run the line to get the pokemon you want accordingly
This method works best for pokemon that can aggro because it’s easier to have multiple battles with them, however if the permutations only have A1s and G1s then you can also use the method on timid pokemons but the likelihood is lower. The way the method works is because the game is seeded, there are specific givens, the seed determines what mass out break happens and likewise provides a set of rules kinda like programming, if player catches/faints 1 pokemon spawn 1 regular pokemon, if player catches/faints 2 pokemon spawn shiny pokemon and etc. The bot with the seed and outbreak information runs the right permutations in order to calculate the possible route to a shiny alpha or regular alpha depending on what’s available, sometimes you can only get a shiny and not an alpha shiny, it has to do with the outbreak seed possibilities and sometimes Shiny Alpha are not possible in that specific outbreak in the seed.
I tried it for fun with a Luxray mass outbreak I found, I caught them one by one and only got a regular luxray, then for fun I reset it and instead of catching them 1 by 1 I caught them all in a simultaneous battle which made the 8th spawn always shiny, I did it again just to confirm it wasn’t luck and was the correct permutation/route and it worked.
Thank You Austin, after many days hunting Alpha Shiny Spiritomb
I followed your guide and finally got one
My shiny spiritomb appeared not alpha by doing this. Is it possible to make it appeared in the 2nd horde as alpha?
@@kimriconalla8367 unfortunately so far there's no way to manipulate how 2nd horde to spawn as an alpha.
Like for example pachirisu, always spawn alpha because there's no other evolution option.
But I get spiritomb alpha from non star icon after clearing the outbreak, you can always try to clear it and hope it will spawn second horde, and as alpha
just got my first shiny alpha today. wasn't was this method I just randomly found it (I do have the shiny charm though) whilst looking for buried treasure on Ursaluna. The funny thing is, the ride Pokemon said there was treasure, I followed the signals, found and caught the shiny and then the Ursaluna was like "Nah, no treasure here now". Guess the shiny was the treasure.
I’ll just like to thank you for being so helpful because of you I’ve caught 20 shinies. Keep up the good work Austin
Austin john you made me get a alpha shiny decidueye as my first shiny thank you thank you!!!!!
Still works as of december 20th
Yes, I have been testing this myself. In an outbreak of 10 in the first wave and 6 into he 2nd, I believe there are 90 different combinations that give unique spawns in the 2nd wave. That is potentially 540 different checks if you're willing to put in the work.
Your expected (still not guaranteed though) number of shinies is then about 2 for finishing all the combinations. So pretty good.
So for an outbreak of 10, do all these combos work? I'm about half way through on a growlithe outbreak and no shinies yet. Just want to make sure I'm not wasting my time lol
@@JJCOLFAX They do work, I've found several shinies after 40-50 combinations. Still no guarantees though. I just went through all 94 combinations for a shiny Alpha Overqwil and didn't find any shiny. That's just rough odds.
@@MrBragonite oof that's rough. I found my Growlithe shortly after this comment btw
@@JJCOLFAX Congrats! I ended up finding out about ghost spawns which gave a LOT more possibilities. Eventually got the shiny after exactly 100 permutations. So if you're ever unlucky enough to go a full set without finding the shiny, you can always google those.
Hi Austin John. I’m just wondering what are the chances that you can get a shiny on Massive Mass Outbreaks in this conditions. Especially on a new hoard spawns.
1. Research Level is not 10.
2. Research Level 10 for some pokemon but no shiny Charm
3. Research Level 10 for all pokemon with shiny Charm.
4 Complete dex and shiny charm.
Tried the 19 tests to try to get a shiny alpha spiritomb and never got it. Pain
Thanks again Professor Austin John... Always appreciative of the amount of time you put into your research and sharing your findings with Pokemon Trainers
I think I can confirm the additional KO-Catch combos (at least, some of them) work.
I was hunting for an alpha shiny zorua, and went through all normal tested permutations for a group of nine… nothing. So I figured I’d just try some of the KO-Catch ones just to see, and about… oh, 21 permutations down, trying KO’ing two, catching two, and then KO’ing 4, the second horde had my alpha shiny zorua!
I can also confirm this, but I had 8 instead of 9. Am currently hunting the same pokemon as you and 2 of the combo simulations yielded different results. KO2/C1/KO2 had a Zoroark spawn as the 7th pokemon (which had never happened previously), and C1/KO2/C(Rest) spawned an alpha Zorua as the 8th pokemon. Glad to know they work, but now it's a lot more work on my plate; but who said shiny hunting (let alone shiny alpha hunting) was easy
Edit: Found Alpha Shiny Zoroark on C2/KO3/C3; my life is complete
it's crazy how much data you're able to collect on these methods in such a short period of time. Thanks AJP!
got an alpha shiny arcanine at my 14th permutaiton (catch one, battle two, battle two catch the rest). Don't give up guys! :D
Two extra cents of advice: if you are willing to battle multiple pkm at once, and ended up entering a battle with more of them than you need, you can still use that battle to your advantage -- you just need to defeat the amount of pkm you want and run from the battle with the remaining pkm alive. In other words, the knockouts after a battle are what counts towards the new spawns. As an example, entering a battle with two pkm and defeating them both is the same as entering a battle with all 4, defeating two of them, and running from the battle to wait for the two next spawns.
Thanks to this, I got the pokemon I told myself I would never go for, shiny Spiritomb and an alpha Spiritomb to boot. Thanks for putting all the time and effort you did into this.
do i need to have spiritomb and unown in the dex first before they can appear in mmo?
It is unfortunate that there's no way to do this for docile Pokemon, I really want to hunt a few alphas that are docile only (Ralts line). Guess I'll just have to keep checking the guaranteed alphas in case they ever shine.
True. But if you have a random alpha ralts show up, or a gardevior, you can get at least 1 permutation :)
@@AustinJohnPlays That's true, if one appears PAST the first 4, can I still use some permutations? I'd think some of the ones from the end of the video (catching/killing combos) would still work, right?
So how do you initiate a multi battle with the docile Ralts and alpha Ralts? I assume you aggro the alpha then chuck your Pokémon at the docile?
@@christopherdcrus605 Yeah that's correct
Thanks man, got a shiny alpha unown thanks to your research, i keep telling everyone about your content. Thank you for your efforts
02:25 I remember asking this on twitter yesterday I was just really confused lol :)
And also thanks for the method I got shiny voltorb and shiny bidoof
BRO MR. MIME BE CREEEEPIN ON YA! 1:14 behind the right gate door. 😂
Austin thank you so much for all the work you have put into your content for Arceus it has been hugely helpful for my play through and I also appreciate your spoiler free area by area videos I was able to play along after experiencing an area using it so find everything! Again thank you!
You can also get a quint battle if a random Pokémon in the area aggros on you
Thank you for all your work on this, Professor Plays! You're hands down my favorite Pokemon/Nintendo content creator.
Caught all, no shiny, reset. Knocked out 2, no shiny, reset. Knocked out 3... Shiny Dartrix spawns in horde 1. Took less than 10 minutes. Superb guide, its very helpful! Makes me wonder if there'll be a way discovered to hunt docile Pokemon in the future.
Austin John is a hero. I can't believe I hadn't subbed to him earlier. Could of sworn I had before but I aint gonna hesitate to do it again! Love the content and your dedication to the game and the us fans! THANK YOU for everything!
tested this on gliscor and i got shiny gliscor in 8 permutations thanks! edit: got a 18 permutation shiny alpha heracross and 25 permutation shiny alpha ursaluna within 4 hours of doing this method
I'm still so lost on this 😢
I wanted to thank you for posting about this method. I was able to get a level 83 shiny alpha Gengar. Thank you!
I'm happy and sad for you
Yeah, it is not a great shiny but it was a shiny alpha, which was the great part. My favorite shiny that I got with this method was a shiny alpha typhlosion. I got that after the Gengar.
This man is a legend dude, everyone how about we give this man a good old hardy round of applause
How can you get multiple Pokémon to attack you at once? I’ll have them all bunched up, and then only one will battle me
Hey Austin, great vid and info as always! I was wondering if you have these spreadsheets available to copy somewhere? I'd love to get in on testing and try all the ko-catch combo variations.
I concour. I would prefer the spreadsheets to help testing too. (Seeing as my hunt has gone on past the normal permutations)
Took me writing it down to remember a set order so I can keep myself from losing track of where I am in the permutations. Tried it out on a Skorupi outbreak with * mark for a second horde, was able to get my first alpha shiny after 7 resets! Thank you for the breakdown and the video Austin!
Thank you for making all these videos! I haven't found a shiny alpha yet, but I hope I will soon using this method. Also, will you ever make a compilation of your LoA shiny reactions? You remind me of myself when a random shiny appears unexpectedly and it never fails to make me laugh. 😂
Man, I made this comment over a year ago. 😂 I've gotten six alpha shinies, the first one was a rowlet in a massive mass outbreak.
I just caught a shiny alpha Heracross in a massive mass outbreak by knocking out 3 in a 3 vs 1 then catching 6, when it popped out i couldn’t believe it
You gave Blaine's pure Hell and now you're using his exact shiny hunting method. You funny.
Shoutout to this video I got a shiny Kleavor on the last test of a horde of 8. Very easy to follow and so helpful with the bookmarks. Thank you so much!
Austin John, it never ceases to amaze me how much effort you put into your videos. Amazing how much time and dedication you put into them and how fast you’re able to do it. The absolute best poketuber out there. Thanks dude, you deserve so many more subs!
Late to the party. So if i tried all permutations and no shiny shows up doest that mean i need to reset?
Austin thanks for the work you put in gathering data like this. I had stumbled across an alpha spiritomb outbreak last night and gave the method a go and was very lucky after twenty minutes to find a shiny alpha. Thanks again.
okay so i just tested this method out on a Bergmite outbreak, 8 spawns prior, 7 alpha spawns.
I did your list from top to bottom, it didn't work out, but when i decided "you know what? why not, i'll start it over & try again" it wasn't until I hit 2 KOs/Catch the rest that when the alphas spawned, I got the damn shiny alpha Bergmite lol
so even if you go through the entire list of the method one time, start over & keep trying guys!
& thank you Austin! I was truly confused about your research video on this method but because you made the explanation so simple here, i got it right away!
12:46 this is the most unenthusiastic reaction to a shalpha
Would you mind sharing the Google doc with all the different permutations so people can use it as a checklist without having to scribble everything down? What better way to shiny than by standing on the shoulders of giants 💖
This theory really did work but I did try and test it on Normal Outbreaks, no icon ones and ofc the star ones. It does work!
Austin John. I've encountered an MMO with 10 starting horde. I used your combination, i can't believe it worked. I'm about to give up mid way. I still continued to help you prove that your combination works. Though the process lead me from 2-0-0 until the 2-3-3 combo. 🤣 Glad i've got my Alpha Shiny Carnivine through the long process.
Here's my findings for research purposes: for starters, this method definitely still works. I got 2 shiny alphas relatively early on (the 1st 10-15 permutations). I have a horde of 10 heracross with 6 alphas and have been hunting for one with no luck, currently on permutation #80. Just a bit of info, I found that I wasnt often getting any random alpha spawns during the initial "Catch/KO" phases. It only happened 2-3 times during the early and middle permutations. Again, currently on permutation 80, and haven't seen a single random alpha spawn in a very long time.
Since I'm doing alpha zoruas and now I'm getting zoroarks spawning which I haven't been getting before doing this method is it a sign it's working?
Update: IT HAPPENED