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Thanks for doing this, but I think using the verb "debate" here is a bit of a stretch. Considered getting your cohost to lay off the cannabis edibles before recording? Why not try out a kind of dialogue, Socratic method, dialectic, something along those lines? It's much harder to write, but it's the difference between 30K subscribers and 300K. At some point this approach is not novel enough and you will reach a hard cap in terms of your ability to influence the world for good.
To follow up on this, I hadn't yet gotten to the bit where the other bloke starts talking, presuming you'd talk the entire time rather than going raspy-voiced for long periods. Hmm. I'd say you just need to work them together a bit more in that case, like a conversation rather than a lecture. Good luck, and thanks!
Cosmic panpsychism and monism is the principle of Hindu Vedanta philosophical texts Upanishads and Brahma Sutra. God is not separate in Awaita Vedanta, which is ancient Hindu philosophy. Spinoza might have read the translation of these texts. Spinoza's Ethics reads almost like a Vedantic text.
Exactly thee same here, I didn't even know the meaning, all I knew is that Pantheism is a doctrine, so I did a google search and I found out myself:), I'm a Pantheist, I just found out that:), but I do have deeper and more useful purposeful explanations and just looking for someone who is a good writer as I'm not one of those:(
here’s another quote i love “Hey. Your matter recalls cosmic explosions and you tasted oblivion before you learned your own name. Fear nothing.” -cryptonature
It is the 'Ego' that makes you feel you are your own self and separated from the ultimate consciousness. But if you surpassed the Ego you will understand you are part of thre whole which cannot be denied even in law of nature.
@@malikc6 acting as if their religious lifestyle is objective and correct...LOL! We're slowly decomposing multicelluar organisms with billions of other microorganisms on us...we're intellectual evolved creatures on top of the food chain but we forget that we're made out of carbon, star dust, etc. We come from the universe itself which is why I consider The universe an entity and God itself. Not a human depicted entity. Ego.
I understood pantheism faster than I tried to do these last weeks. You made my dissertation easier now that I understood the theory. Thank you so much guys !
We are literally in the universe. Our life, our energy, everything we are and everything we have and will ever do makes up the universe. The universe made us. We are all the fabric of the universe. How can that not be God?
The difference is, we don't believe in man-made, magical deities that are in most religions. We just see the universe, reality & nature as "God." We humans see *_us_* as "Gods" (as in, "We are God.")
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Same thoughts! It goes so well with Buddhism as the buddha nature is within all of us and the buddhahood state of mind explains as the one who exists in every single atom of the universe simultaneously! So, it tallies with the pantheistic approach also while keeping it secular too! 🥴✌🏻🧬
I’m a pantheist. When you talked about the “hive mind” (11:15), you discounted the way our minds link: we talk to each other. Our thoughts are communicated between each other’s minds through our normal communications channels. A group of people acts very differently than an individual or a simple collection of non-communicating individuals. No magic necessary for this. We have free will. And that will is influenced by everything around us (including other people).
If free will is influenceable then it isn't free will. Just a cog in the machine of long time cause and effect. Every thought is preceded by prior thoughts, actions, environmental factors etc. Free will is an illusion.
We all have desires thoughts ideas...well and good. Nobody can deny that. 2. We are guided by these feelings. 3. If we are conscious and compare different course of actions rationally having due regard to the universal causal links of events , then we are more likely to sift through the competing desires/ideas in order to reach the one among them, which is self-willed. So we have free will. 4. However, if we take things as they come and show reactions to them without taking cognizance of that cause-effect chains behind it, then one could say we are just given to our desires. We have no free will then. We are no less than a madman.
9:00 I saw this during an acid trip where I connected to what I call ‘source energy’. I was looking at a tree and I ‘saw’ a gold filament connected in an infinite web connecting to everything around me. The intensity and thickness of the gold thread that connected each object varies depending on the object. Animals and birds had thicker threads than trees. Tree threads were thicker than those connected to rocks. And all man made objects - a plastic bin/cup etc has an even fainter thread. But absolutely everything was connected. Nothing was separate. My mind was using this image to convey to me the concept that I at the very least sub consciously believe. Everything was one, the universe was all connected and it all connected to me. During that trip I experienced the universe and everything and nothing all at the same time. It was an experience outside of time and space, that my mind could access - i visualised an accordion file containing universes that conveyed to me the idea that there are multiple realities stacked against each other, in a very organised manner. And that there was a thin layer or membrane separating them all. The folder was immensely thick and conveyed to me that the universe files away every single permutation and combination of options for every event. Each of these universes or timelines exists and doesn’t in a way - I suppose like Schrödinger’s cat. There was the everything and the nothing. And we in our file can only see and access what is here and accessible to us in these three dimensional physical bodies. We have a physical limit that prevents us from crossing over and knowing the other universes but our minds can traverse this ‘place’. that brings me to why I consider what I saw a belief and not truth. None of us will ever truly know the answer to if there is a god or not. And that seems to be the point. The visual of the accordion indicated to me the idea that the greater consciousness or source code is taking backups of everything, because it itself isn’t sure which is the best way to ‘evolve’ like this is some program running out every probability and once we play out the entire sequence, the system reboots and the entire process begins again. I sensed that I, we all, have done this infinite times. I felt a sense of ‘here we go again’ and familiarity with everything around me. I saw time as currents, not as a line like we experience it in our physical form or even as a simple cycle. It was wavy, curved, like how the water cycle is a cycle but there are so many ways that water moves through the process. I sensed that what my mind was experiencing- what I called the everywhen and the nowhere - that this was something replicated inside black holes. I experienced synesthesia where sound light and colour were intermingled. I could hear the music of sunlight as it filtered through the leaves. I could ‘see’ the light and colour from the speaker playing music as it came to my ears. I say ‘see’ because I was not seeing these things with my eyes, but with in my mind. I experienced ‘tessellation’ where I saw the membrane between ours and another universe blur and shimmer like a mirage. There was so much more, it’s so hard to explain everything I experienced at that time in a TH-cam comment, but truly it was a divine, spiritual experience that touched my heart deeply. All of these things were all random passing thoughts and ideas I had had prior in life, but the effect of the lsd was to help me clearly visualise what was deep in my mind and heart - and enabled me to understand how I view myself in the grand scale of the universe and understand my place in it. I came out of this experience feeling healed and connected and my depression of over a decade was much improved to the extent that I can say now that I feel mentally healthy and very much at peace internally. It took time for me to reflect on the depth of my visions and understand my feelings about what I saw because truly, it was awesome and the scale of things I saw was beyond what my human mind could easily comprehend. The closest I can describe it is looking at hieroglyphics or cave drawings and trying to decipher what is being conveyed and pricing it all together to allow my conscious mind to connect with these thoughts in a coherent manner. This is why I believe in a pantheistic approach deep within me. I also believe there is no right approach to god, regardless of what the ‘truth’ might be - god to me now is our own personal relationship to the world around us and how it shapes how we conduct ourselves as we move through it and there are as many ways for that to exist as there are people. We only feel excited when we come across someone else that feels similarly because we feel validated, even though we will never truly know and can sometimes be a scary thought so we tend to hold on to it somewhat tightly.
I’ve never smoked/taken drugs/got drunk but comments like this convince me I need to take some sort of hallucinogenic and have this sort of experience before I die.
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
I've always felt or had this knowing since a very early age. Most anyone having a " psychedelic experience" will easily gain this key of awareness. Everything is connected and alive. Frequency and vibration.
I only recently realized I was pantheistic (about three years ago). I'm also mildly existentialist. I feel my duty is to define me, be it and report back to the the universe what I learned trying to be me. ...Or not. Which makes me also agnostic on a number of levels. ...I think...
I'm a pantheist. I love explaining how atheism and pantheism are different and I think your points were very accurate. The counter for the belief, claiming a lack of evidence for a greater mind, is valid. I often explain that the consciousness you experience is one way from the greater sum. Much like how a skin cell doesn't know it's you, but it is in fact a part of you.
Gospel of Thomas, Jesus said, “the Kingdom of God is all around us, if you split a piece of wood, you will find me. Lift a stone, I am there” Almost sounds like pantheism.
I think you are spot on with your thoughts on Pantheism. Everything has consciousness but at different levels. We have two types of consciousness whilst alive and come death we gradually lose our Earthly consciousness and continue with our universal consciousness.
@@PhilosophyVibe Apostle Paul Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness. Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Apostle Paul Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness. Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
I adopted this belief but I didn't know that was the name. Born into a Christian family. But always believed that science reviews the power of God. For example the big bang was the word of God saying let there be. Got exposed to a book called spiritual law which focuses on astral planes and auto body experiences. This book explain to me reincarnation and how it makes sense within Christianity and gave scientific proof of people who have memories of their past life. Came across something in Buddhism that states there is no contradiction if everything is part of the one that is God. Meaning if everything is from God then what we think is the difference is not different, and made me see how each religion could possess a certain truth . And my point of view every religion is true. The problem is people take religion to personal and a lot of information is missing on most religions and how religion has been used to manipulate people and power . I came across the neurology it showed me how that numbers don't lie everything in the universe exist in a set of number. Numbers at universal language two things in English are two things in Chinese now also two things in Shona. And two stars in a specific solar system I still too. I came across the meaning of triple six in the numerology it means almost the same as in Christianity something bad. Introducing the universe to me if everything came from the. Then we are created from the from the universe what makes up stars is what we're made of there's no contradiction. If God created life or spoke life into everything then a part of God is that everything. Though of these things that things that are simply matter physical and things that are physical but alive which contain consciousness to their different levels then there's the unseen you could say the spiritual world which is just the conscience . when we die we become spirit which is the conscience which is the universe which is God. So I believe I am a god everyone else is god and we're all a part of God . that's why the conscience is believed to be the spirit.
Love this. An additional argument for this can be made around the physical Peculiarities of having one's corpus colossum severed, it gives rise to the question of perception of reality VS reality. How can any person know the consciousness of another? They can't, when the corpus coliseum is severed this becomes very evident. To me, pantheism is pure belief and all other religions are just a selling of belief for followers. And in a weird twist pantheism doesn't care if you believe it just like God.
Apostle Paul Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness. Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
I was an Atheist a few years ago. Science was my answer to anything and everything. I was going trough a tough time and a few friends of mine got me to try LSD. I dont know why i just accepted (i didnt do drugs back then). Itmade me think more about me and my situation, where i am in life and where i want to go. After a few trips i had somethin akin to an ego death. I could define the border between myself, my body, the trees and the ground. After the effects wore off i started to understand what i had felt in that moment. Unity. I talked to atheists and religous people alike and found that theres nothing really seperating them in the fundamental parts of their world views. If you relize that science is just theories built on more theories built on subjective observation, there is nothing prohibiting god. All the core physical attributes we attribute to god are present in the universe itself. I for my part just added god into the equation in a way that doesnt change anything.
One thing most people don't really realize is that there are different types of pantheists. The naturalist/scientific Pantheists are Atheists in all but name. Basically, it's just Atheism but with Religious and Spiritual language thrown in. The other kind is the New Age Pantheist which sees God as a type of mystical energy that permeates throughout the entire universe and that we are all part of this energy called God. These two types of Pantheists have radically different worldviews and such. Their only overlap is they see everything as connected. The New Age Pantheists generally believe in reincarnation and karma and psychic abilities and such. The naturalistic pantheists don't believe in any of that. It's just kind of interesting how they are almost opposites yet both use the same term.
Someone asked me "If God is everything, then how is he [insert malicious thing]? How can he be bad?" My answer is that God is everything. God is perfection. God is totality. God is good, bad, everything between that, and everything outside of it. God is the universe, and becaude everything comes from the universe, everything is God.
One fateful night, I literally kneeled by my bedside (I was an agnostic, but feeling lost) and I prayed to ??? and, somehow through that, came to become a Pantheist without even having known this term. After speaking to a friend about my beliefs, he told me the name of my belief: Pantheism, and now I've just been binging research on Pantheism XD
an animal shell in the ocean is more complex than the ocean, but it doesn't mean its greater than the ocean... but it contributes to the meaning of the ocean
The universe is omniscient but impersonal. It is “omniscient” via the intricate interplay of cause and effect. It plays out exactly how it supposed to work out given the laws of nature
Our own thoughts are product of smaller less complex interactions of entities in our brain just as the thoughts of the Universe grow and interact between intelligent beings. Now that we are each day more connected through the internet we are becoming like a giant brain with contradicting but also with similar ideas. And a day will come when we interact with extraterrestrials and so on.
We already have a word for everything. It's "everything". Good is not everything, the universe, or love. We have words for those concepts that already do all the work they're needed to do. All versions of god are either an untestable force or a personified untestable force. No version of god has ever been demonstrated to be possible, much less plausible, much less likely, much less actual.
I experienced a full blown ego-death epiphany one night in my early 20s while (to put it mildly) contemplating the cosmos and searching for God. I didn't expect the moment to happen. I didn't ask for it to happen. In my solitude I often gaze at the stars, and I often get lost. But something strange happened that night. I began looking inward and outward simultaneously with more intensity than I have before or since; and for a fleeting moment in my contemplations I was suddenly found. For a mere 30 seconds I became wrapped in a warm blanket of infinite compassion, understanding, and power. In a brief and beautiful moment I fully realized how small I am, how large everything is, and how special and rare life is. An understanding of epic proportion swelled over me so profoundly that I openly wept when it flooded my mind. I felt an acute connection to everything all at once. The emotion of such a feeling was too much to contain. I wept, I laughed. I begged forgiveness That fleeting instance was burned into my brain, and then it was gone as soon as it came on. It took me days to recover, and years to digest. As wonderful as that moment was, I am still frightened of it to this day. However, the notions I came away with post-experience ended up being point-for-point systematically covering nearly everything mentioned in this video. I didn't realize the notions I formed over a decade ago even had a name until tonight. Pantheism! Even more so, I didn't realize how long these notions have been around. I am truly in awe that others have also come to this conclusion without ever having heard it before. What a grand and logical theism. Beautiful in its simplicity, incomprehensibly large in its implications.
I would like more information on how much plant vs human consciousness there is. Plants can communicate with eachother and people haven't seemed to figure out communicating 😂😮😢 Absolutely fun video! I really enjoyed you guys. Be well and thank you for your energy
Plant communication is primarily conducted by the microorganisms within the plants. They exchange minerals. These transaction interactions are similar to programming code running through logic gates. I don’t think it would be possible to have a conversation with the microorganisms outside of their understanding or vocabulary. What you have to wonder is, are the microorganisms providing us with fruits, other edible vegetation and timber, so that we will care for them? I love the idea that crop circles are made by the microorganisms trying to reach out to us, but I highly doubt we have anything in common to say other than what we already communicate, Changing the colour of fruits so you know you can take them, or other colour signals indicating low levels of nutrients.
@@glasfish I wish we had their efficiency for communication. Someday. They have no problem asking for what they need and they help eachother if they can. Your energy is valued. I learned I have more to learn. Thank you.
@@glasfish ps. I don't understand computers well and somehow see most of us are working with coding errors. Working as programmed not necessarily as designed. Not everyone can program well I would suppose. AI is interesting in that we just might have to look at ourselves and won't be able to look away anymore. Maybe. I'm a dreamer.
I have this feeling that if you do bad in your life, you are effecting the whole of everything in a negative way and that is what is considered the wrath of God. The dominoe effect of being a bad and selfish person trickles through every person and everyone
Apostle Paul Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness. Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
God is the origin of life. Other attributes of God are secondary. God does not need to encompass the entire universe but only that which leads to life. Also, we do not need to look at redundancies when claiming that God is the universe.
Do not trust your perceptions. Perceptions are flawed. - Quantum physics 🌟✨ What we see is not the reality! The appearance is mistaken. Thus, there are two truths of the same reality we live in: the conventional truth (that we see and experience) & the ultimate truth (that we are seeking in actuality as the end goal). Keep exploring and studying 🥲🌱✌🏻
Acts 13:38,39 The Apostle Paul shows way of SALVATION 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
@@calvinfuller5293. Maybe a genius, MAYBE! But a super genius. Normal people or those with above average intelligence can do great things too. I’m not disparaging Elon, but I just think it’s more likely he’s NOT a super genius then he is.
I would say Musk is more a modern-day Edison. An intelligent inventor at least, but more so a businessman and does a lot of riding on the coat tails of others.
Rights are grounded in personhood. To obviate individual personhood is to uproot the entire foundation of moral agency. Furthermore, your theory relies on a multiverse which you take on a faith. That is your perogative but if each individual universe is unable to explain the cause, then an infinity of universes will likewise be unable to explain the cause of its existence. You still need one universe that is an uncaused cause ... and that my friends is what theists call God. You can call it whatever you want but logic dictates that it exists.
11:05 are you not having a discussion right now? Are you not having a discussion right now, sharing conscious experiences through the power of language? Don't you see that litterally everything that you have been talking about throughout this video are other peoples thoughts? How is that not a mental link? It is and the ability to communicate, to pass around thoughts and ideas, it's a great example of a greater consciousness. We're constantly sharing our consciousness with each other, constantly pitching around ideas and knowledge, this is of the key goals of our educational institutions. And we sometimes take these ideas and use them to come up with new ideas, something that we would have been unable to do from scratch on our own. Like Newton said: "If I appear to have looked further than most, then it is because I stood on the shoulders of Giants!". This is what we humans do, we climb the shoulders of previous generations, and generation by generation we look and think a little further. Newtons, Einsteins and other great minds great ideas, did not die with the great minds, their ideas have rather become part of our shared greater collective human consciousness.
@@MirorInvenio Yes, Einstein had pantheistic views very heavily influenced by the philosopher Spinoza. Basically God is deliberately defined as Nature or Beingness and why not? Don't forget, this is still a complete rejection of a supernatural or personal God.
I came to the conclusion of Pantheism independently by reasoning that the universe has all the traits necessary to be a divine being, as such, I consider the totality of all reality to be divine in nature. With that said, what is this stuff about monads? That sounds like a religious belief that is not based in reality and seems completely absurd. I think humans are the universe experiencing itself. Furthermore, I think it is possible for the universe to have some kind of grand consciousness that is too great for us to understand, perhaps with stars acting like synapses or some such thing. But that monad stuff sounds an awful lot like a load of hogwash that is not in line with a reality-based pantheistic belief.
You are a sub equasion to a greater equasion, we do interact with each other, it is called communication AxB is an equation A and B are individualy sub equasions to that equasion. What if the universe is only one aspect of god and that the multiverse is the totality of a Pantheistic god? God being the universal set within itself. God in this instance is not well founded as a set, but contains sets that are well founded. The multiversal functions being the defining functions of God. We can therefore exist as part of god in a well founded realm and accept that conceptually everything beyond the well founded is non well founded but by definition non well founded sets surround well founded sets.
Can you imagine true sacriffice,courage,altruism od know hot all of it works?But if evrything basen on second law of thermodynamics,Every form of life should be destroyed.
I really enjoyed this video. However, I am not at all convinced by the arguments distinguishing atheism from pantheism. I do no agree that atheism necessarily involves a rejection of the idea of consciousness as a fundamental part of the universe. I am quite sure you can be an atheist panpsychist. After watching this video, I am still not convinced that the pantheistic use of the word god is adding anything meaningful. What exactly is 'god' according to pantheism? We already have a word for the universe, it is 'universe', why use the word 'god' for this?
I think that it's much older than Spinoza although separating what these people in more ancient times actually believed isn't easy.Bruno is often called a pantheist but as I read him I'd say he was a panentheist.Plotinus definitely a panentheist and they say Plato would have been a panentheist had he been consistent.Of course it could be that pantheism and panentheism are not really separate and along with pandeism are all just parts of a spectrum of similar belief.
We are the ego. Our personal experiences shape our personalities. When you die. It will be like before you were born. Time will be irrelevant. You will be born again. And again. And again. But you will not be YOU. This ego shaped brain based in experiences the new brain will not have.
@@mortenrobinson5421 Yes and no. I first came to the idea via Ayahuasca, so that would be a belief. Since then, it has become much less belief and much more , as you put it, a philosophical conclusion. Thanks for the comment!
@@xspice1891 I do not recommend doing it without an experienced guide there in person - at least not at first. Do your research - there are a lot of people who are just in it for the money. The first time I did it, it was at New Life Ayahuasca in Costa Rica. I'm sure there are lots of good outfits out there, but that one is very good. There are analogs to true Ayahuasca. In my experience, Syrian Rue/Acacia Confusa works every bit as well as the 'real' stuff. Research dr;ug interactions. There can be deadly consequences if you combine Aya with certain drugs (such as SSRIs).
An Atheist comes into the universe, a stranger in a hostile place, and feels they are seperate from it. A Pantheist comes out of the universe, having arrived home, and feels they are a part of it.
Yes, I would further that a pantheist acknowledges the potential and wonder of the universe. And in fact a thing worthy of celebration and awe, a spiritual totality within nature . An atheist feels put upon to a large degree by a hostile universe, somewhat trapped by thoughts of division rather than connection , and often nihilistic compulsions.
Pantheism differs from atheism is that an atheist sees it self apart from the ''all'' and pantheist see him self as part off the ''all'' One big organism
Disagree. You can deny the existence of a theistic god and be a philosophical pantheist at the same time. In fact, I’d argue that many pantheists are secular people who don’t follow religious rituals, despite having an interest in spirituality.
@@typicallymoody I'm not sure I understand your point. I would think denying the existence of a theistic god, in itself is part of Pantheism. In the understanding of the word anyway. I will always, in my personal consciousness refer to a Unity, as the inherent understanding of the word God personifies something we could never comprehend. While there are no specific religious rituals relating to Pantheism, there are avenues some take to bring deeper awareness of the Universe. But that can range from the study of science, different philosophies or religions, meditation, or even drug use. Spirituality itself can simply be seen as the energy that flows through us all or as far as a conscious design that lays out the path we walk.
The atheist doesn't see himself apart from the "all". The conflict just lies in philosophy of mind. Pantheistic views which adopt physicalism or panpsychism (panpsychism accepts physical world as fundamental) are just euphemisms for atheism while Idealistic pantheism differs from atheism.
Pantheism fits well with another belief of mine, the Akashic Records. I thought I was a agnostic for a long time but deep inside myself I knew there was something, something grand, almost karma like, with positive and negative actions and thoughts. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction so to say.
I’m a pantheist because it just makes the most logical and intuitive sense to me when observing and experiencing the natural world. I don’t actually wish to be one, it’s just slightly less depressing than atheism, but I still struggle not to give into nihilism.
I feel like I'm spamming here cos I commented a similar thing to another person, but I feel it's important to pass on the suggestion to read Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramhansa Yogananda, and Be Here Now by Ram Dass. They are two books that helped me figure things out...plus other 'tools' at times! 😄
@@jelouche Nature worship is often considered the primitive source of modern religious beliefs and can be found in pantheism, panentheism, deism, polytheism, animism, Taoism, totemism, Hinduism, shamanism, some theism and paganism including Wicca.
@A Wanderer some people would call this entertainment “food for thought” or “intellectual stimulation”. Adopt a calmer approach and be one with yourself and accept things how they are. You will never change that atheism exists. Venting your frustrations like this is not an act of acceptance but rather an act of rejection. Your beliefs are valid. Stand strong in your beliefs like a flower among weeds. Do not hate the weeds for being weeds. They are simply distractions
I was an Atheist most of my life, then Agnostic and now a Pantheist. Although the similarities between Atheism & Pantheism are large, I'd argue that the same amount of similarities can be found when comparing Pantheism to any other religious or spiritual belief. And that switching from "God doesn't exist" to "God is everything" is a HUGE psychological leap. As an Atheist, I refused the idea of a spirit, divinity or anything "magical". It could all be explained through science & evolution eventually. Now as a Pantheist I believe there's an almost infinite amount of spirits, divinity is all around me & magical is the only word I could use to describe a conscious Universe and my small part in it. So although the word God is the only thing that separates Atheism & Pantheism linguistically, I believe that one word or belief is what puts Atheism & Pantheism at opposing ends of the spectrum. Atheism being at the bottom with no spiritual beliefs at all & Pantheism at the very top encompassing all spiritual beliefs. I'd like to add and debate that Pantheism is the only decentralized belief. Thanks for video guys! Absolutely brilliant!
@@MrsBridgette2012 Pantheism do not believe in spirit. Maybe Wicca. It is the feeling of love, devotion, and a sense of attachment. It's almost like that but towards the planet. The focus on magic is one of the biggest differences between wicca and paganism.
I had a dmt trip with the creator of the universe.. I didn't realise she was until half way through the trip I turned to her and said are u god ? And she laughed and said no this is god while pointing at the universe.. amazing journey.. she also told me we are energy and once made we can't die in her world... this trip brought me here looking for answers. 🤣
@@natmcd4043 Not just like that, is that. My whole basis in it stems from Einstein and his views on energy and monism, but also had my fair share of trips. Welcome to the club 🎉. Happy Journeys Nat. Be happy to talk some pantheism if you ever have the need.
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
As a (scientific) pantheist, thank you for this respectful take. When one thinks about God as separate from the creation, it is impossible to fully appreciate the vast and completeness of the creation. If it is two separate things, than God must be far greater (which is still possible with pantheism), and the creation insignificant in comparison. If God is separate, than God is limited, smaller than what could be. But when it is realized that the creation is equal to and combined, it offers an aspect that each is great. And, as individuals, our greatest praise must be to fully appreciate and try to understand the creation as a whole. And our greatest worship, is to participate as part of the creation. Through works that improve (such as thought, exploration, art) and through caring for the creation and it's parts (such as eachother)
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
I wouldn't say I adopted the belief, but rather I self-discovered it using my own feelings. I looked around for a word that suited my belief and came across Animism, but now I feel like Pantheism is much closer to my understanding of the universe than Animism.
Explain how 7 day creation isn’t explain logically? it literally makes perfect sense God created everything within 7 days, giving 7 a significant role within the Bible
@@rainb5987 My faith doesn’t belong in the 7 days of creation, in belongs in the person who made it, and exactly what’s go confusing about the 7 days of creation? It’s literally like learning the ABC’s it’s not even complicated
Apostle Paul Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness. Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Each religion shows a pixel of God. Pantheism zooms out and takes the picture to call it God. Individual God in each religion is like picking up rock and calling it earth.
That approach sounds nice, but it doesn’t hold water when scrutinized. Every religion’s conception of God is completely disparate in terms of origins and character traits. Why would you assume that all religions contain elements of truth? What if they are all incorrect?
Pantheism perfectly explains the psychedelic experiences I’ve had. After my first acid trip, I started researching pantheism and it felt like all the puzzle pieces in my brain fell into place perfectly
Yeah me too, but I’m still not entirely sure tbh. I’m definitely not a monotheist, but a lot of my personal experiences point towards pantheism. However there’s another part of me that thinks pantheism is unscientific.
I did not know I was a pantheist when I had a near death experience (NDE) and obtained this knowledge. I believe that most NDEers would label themselves as pantheists if they understood the meaning.
@A Wanderer Half dead, I don't think people who experience it could explain... Pretty much you died but came back or at least you were in the process of dying. I'm one of those people too
I am one of those and have changed my beliefs since that day.. I am most definitely a pantheist ( just now discovered there is a name to my personal philosophy lol)
Awesome. I like all your videos but the long form ones (over 10 mins) are just great when you get into the actual point / counter-point mode. I was really surprised you went as far as mentioning 'monads' when discussing pantheism. I like that your videos don't leave the viewer in a glib conclusive stance, but in a frame of mind that opens more deeply to further investigation. Keep up the good work.
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Jeremiah 10: THE TRUE GOD - THE GREAT GOD 6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. 7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee. 10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. 11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. 12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Exodus 15:1-8,10,11 MOSES - What He has to say about GOD 1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea. 2 The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him. 3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name. 4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea. 5 The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone. 6 Thy right hand, O Lord, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O Lord, hath dashed in pieces the enemy. 7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble. 8 And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea. 10 Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters. 11 Who is like unto thee, O Lord, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?
Love this tbh, i believe I never knew the term to what I believe - and also, we definitely share consciousness. In fact, dogma is what Steve Jobs spoke about --- how our thoughts are effected by those around us. Also, telepathy is something I sometimes think of a lot, and I believe just like Albert Einstein thought "A person starts living when he can live outside himself" -- sometimes, i feel that some of my thoughts are originating from someone else besides myself and not just from myself. On another hand, religion says that Judas was destined to fail Jesus. It was destined, so where is there true will there, or maybe it is the intention theory that tricked him into doing so. We are humans, we will never really know. I stopped asking these questions at 16 and got back to them recently. I think we are part of consciousness, and when you are aligned with it and if you work on a high frequency and you are dealing with people with awareness, you manifest exactly what you want - the universe listens to you - God listens to you.
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Thanks for doing this, but I think using the verb "debate" here is a bit of a stretch. Considered getting your cohost to lay off the cannabis edibles before recording? Why not try out a kind of dialogue, Socratic method, dialectic, something along those lines? It's much harder to write, but it's the difference between 30K subscribers and 300K. At some point this approach is not novel enough and you will reach a hard cap in terms of your ability to influence the world for good.
To follow up on this, I hadn't yet gotten to the bit where the other bloke starts talking, presuming you'd talk the entire time rather than going raspy-voiced for long periods. Hmm. I'd say you just need to work them together a bit more in that case, like a conversation rather than a lecture. Good luck, and thanks!
Cosmic panpsychism and monism is the principle of Hindu Vedanta philosophical texts Upanishads and Brahma Sutra. God is not separate in Awaita Vedanta, which is ancient Hindu philosophy. Spinoza might have read the translation of these texts. Spinoza's Ethics reads almost like a Vedantic text.
I believed in pantheism before I even knew the meaning of the word or that it even existed.
Exactly thee same here, I didn't even know the meaning, all I knew is that Pantheism is a doctrine, so I did a google search and I found out myself:), I'm a Pantheist, I just found out that:), but I do have deeper and more useful purposeful explanations and just looking for someone who is a good writer as I'm not one of those:(
Many people who are "spiritual but not religious" turn out to be Pantheists without ever having known it.
Same here lol
Ditto
Same. Was so happy and whole when I found it.
“You are a child of the universe, no more than the trees and the stars, you have a right to be here.” ❤️
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I love that quote! Could you tell us where it came from, if you know? Thanks :))
@@queenwillow3440 The Desiderata
I FORGOT ABOUT THIS QUOTE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
here’s another quote i love
“Hey. Your matter recalls cosmic explosions and you tasted oblivion before you learned your own name. Fear nothing.” -cryptonature
It is the 'Ego' that makes you feel you are your own self and separated from the ultimate consciousness. But if you surpassed the Ego you will understand you are part of thre whole which cannot be denied even in law of nature.
Maybe it's your ego that makes you not want to follow a divine law.
@@redx11x It’s your ego projecting your values onto others. Your “divine law” is just you.
@@malikc6 go Read Advait Vedanta of Hinduism
@@malikc6 acting as if their religious lifestyle is objective and correct...LOL! We're slowly decomposing multicelluar organisms with billions of other microorganisms on us...we're intellectual evolved creatures on top of the food chain but we forget that we're made out of carbon, star dust, etc. We come from the universe itself which is why I consider The universe an entity and God itself. Not a human depicted entity. Ego.
@@Codduct Exactly. Although many usually due to upbringing cannot see past a humanlike god.
I understood pantheism faster than I tried to do these last weeks. You made my dissertation easier now that I understood the theory. Thank you so much guys !
You're very welcome. Good luck in the dissertation.
Congrats on your masters!
We are literally in the universe. Our life, our energy, everything we are and everything we have and will ever do makes up the universe. The universe made us. We are all the fabric of the universe. How can that not be God?
I agree totally.
People disagree because they always like to believe that god should always be able to help them
*We are literally -in- the universe. 😉
The difference is, we don't believe in man-made, magical deities that are in most religions.
We just see the universe, reality & nature as "God." We humans see *_us_* as "Gods" (as in, "We are God.")
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
What an amazing explanation of pantheism. Thank you for this. I guess I am a Pantheist who practices Buddhism.
A pleasure, thanks for watching :)
I’m thinking the same 🧐
Same thoughts! It goes so well with Buddhism as the buddha nature is within all of us and the buddhahood state of mind explains as the one who exists in every single atom of the universe simultaneously!
So, it tallies with the pantheistic approach also while keeping it secular too! 🥴✌🏻🧬
Me too!
I’m a pantheist. When you talked about the “hive mind” (11:15), you discounted the way our minds link: we talk to each other. Our thoughts are communicated between each other’s minds through our normal communications channels. A group of people acts very differently than an individual or a simple collection of non-communicating individuals. No magic necessary for this. We have free will. And that will is influenced by everything around us (including other people).
That’s very interesting, I never thought about it like that.
Just like neurons in a brain.
If free will is influenceable then it isn't free will. Just a cog in the machine of long time cause and effect. Every thought is preceded by prior thoughts, actions, environmental factors etc. Free will is an illusion.
@@DatKiddLj Free Will might be an illusion, might I'm happy to be alive at least.
We all have desires thoughts ideas...well and good. Nobody can deny that.
2. We are guided by these feelings.
3. If we are conscious and compare different course of actions rationally having due regard to the universal causal links of events , then we are more likely to sift through the competing desires/ideas in order to reach the one among them, which is self-willed. So we have free will.
4. However, if we take things as they come and show reactions to them without taking cognizance of that cause-effect chains behind it, then one could say we are just given to our desires. We have no free will then. We are no less than a madman.
9:00 I saw this during an acid trip where I connected to what I call ‘source energy’. I was looking at a tree and I ‘saw’ a gold filament connected in an infinite web connecting to everything around me. The intensity and thickness of the gold thread that connected each object varies depending on the object. Animals and birds had thicker threads than trees. Tree threads were thicker than those connected to rocks. And all man made objects - a plastic bin/cup etc has an even fainter thread. But absolutely everything was connected. Nothing was separate. My mind was using this image to convey to me the concept that I at the very least sub consciously believe. Everything was one, the universe was all connected and it all connected to me. During that trip I experienced the universe and everything and nothing all at the same time. It was an experience outside of time and space, that my mind could access - i visualised an accordion file containing universes that conveyed to me the idea that there are multiple realities stacked against each other, in a very organised manner. And that there was a thin layer or membrane separating them all. The folder was immensely thick and conveyed to me that the universe files away every single permutation and combination of options for every event. Each of these universes or timelines exists and doesn’t in a way - I suppose like Schrödinger’s cat. There was the everything and the nothing. And we in our file can only see and access what is here and accessible to us in these three dimensional physical bodies. We have a physical limit that prevents us from crossing over and knowing the other universes but our minds can traverse this ‘place’. that brings me to why I consider what I saw a belief and not truth. None of us will ever truly know the answer to if there is a god or not. And that seems to be the point. The visual of the accordion indicated to me the idea that the greater consciousness or source code is taking backups of everything, because it itself isn’t sure which is the best way to ‘evolve’ like this is some program running out every probability and once we play out the entire sequence, the system reboots and the entire process begins again. I sensed that I, we all, have done this infinite times. I felt a sense of ‘here we go again’ and familiarity with everything around me. I saw time as currents, not as a line like we experience it in our physical form or even as a simple cycle. It was wavy, curved, like how the water cycle is a cycle but there are so many ways that water moves through the process. I sensed that what my mind was experiencing- what I called the everywhen and the nowhere - that this was something replicated inside black holes. I experienced synesthesia where sound light and colour were intermingled. I could hear the music of sunlight as it filtered through the leaves. I could ‘see’ the light and colour from the speaker playing music as it came to my ears. I say ‘see’ because I was not seeing these things with my eyes, but with in my mind. I experienced ‘tessellation’ where I saw the membrane between ours and another universe blur and shimmer like a mirage. There was so much more, it’s so hard to explain everything I experienced at that time in a TH-cam comment, but truly it was a divine, spiritual experience that touched my heart deeply. All of these things were all random passing thoughts and ideas I had had prior in life, but the effect of the lsd was to help me clearly visualise what was deep in my mind and heart - and enabled me to understand how I view myself in the grand scale of the universe and understand my place in it. I came out of this experience feeling healed and connected and my depression of over a decade was much improved to the extent that I can say now that I feel mentally healthy and very much at peace internally. It took time for me to reflect on the depth of my visions and understand my feelings about what I saw because truly, it was awesome and the scale of things I saw was beyond what my human mind could easily comprehend. The closest I can describe it is looking at hieroglyphics or cave drawings and trying to decipher what is being conveyed and pricing it all together to allow my conscious mind to connect with these thoughts in a coherent manner. This is why I believe in a pantheistic approach deep within me. I also believe there is no right approach to god, regardless of what the ‘truth’ might be - god to me now is our own personal relationship to the world around us and how it shapes how we conduct ourselves as we move through it and there are as many ways for that to exist as there are people. We only feel excited when we come across someone else that feels similarly because we feel validated, even though we will never truly know and can sometimes be a scary thought so we tend to hold on to it somewhat tightly.
Thank you for this write up.
I’ve never smoked/taken drugs/got drunk but comments like this convince me I need to take some sort of hallucinogenic and have this sort of experience before I die.
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
I've always felt or had this knowing since a very early age. Most anyone having a " psychedelic experience" will easily gain this key of awareness. Everything is connected and alive. Frequency and vibration.
I only recently realized I was pantheistic (about three years ago). I'm also mildly existentialist. I feel my duty is to define me, be it and report back to the the universe what I learned trying to be me. ...Or not. Which makes me also agnostic on a number of levels. ...I think...
Yea, I’ve given up on existentialism, it’s too much focused on beliefs of the rational mind only
I'm a pantheist. I love explaining how atheism and pantheism are different and I think your points were very accurate. The counter for the belief, claiming a lack of evidence for a greater mind, is valid. I often explain that the consciousness you experience is one way from the greater sum. Much like how a skin cell doesn't know it's you, but it is in fact a part of you.
Gospel of Thomas, Jesus said, “the Kingdom of God is all around us, if you split a piece of wood, you will find me. Lift a stone, I am there”
Almost sounds like pantheism.
Christianity is just Greek Pantheism mixed with Judaism,
There is a subtle but important difference between god being ‘in” everything and god “being” everything. Pantheism proposes the latter.
I think you are spot on with your thoughts on Pantheism. Everything has consciousness but at different levels. We have two types of consciousness whilst alive and come death we gradually lose our Earthly consciousness and continue with our universal consciousness.
Thanks... Very informative discussion.
You’re welcome 😀
@@PhilosophyVibe Apostle Paul
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Pantheists matter ! Or should I say Pantheists/Matter ? Get it ?
@IZ Digital Piano And all threw time.
You're so good at explaining things. Pantheism is definitely fascinating.
Apostle Paul
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Thank you so much. I remember reading about pantheism and realizing that was exactly my insight on "God"
I adopted this belief but I didn't know that was the name. Born into a Christian family. But always believed that science reviews the power of God. For example the big bang was the word of God saying let there be. Got exposed to a book called spiritual law which focuses on astral planes and auto body experiences. This book explain to me reincarnation and how it makes sense within Christianity and gave scientific proof of people who have memories of their past life. Came across something in Buddhism that states there is no contradiction if everything is part of the one that is God. Meaning if everything is from God then what we think is the difference is not different, and made me see how each religion could possess a certain truth . And my point of view every religion is true. The problem is people take religion to personal and a lot of information is missing on most religions and how religion has been used to manipulate people and power .
I came across the neurology it showed me how that numbers don't lie everything in the universe exist in a set of number. Numbers at universal language two things in English are two things in Chinese now also two things in Shona. And two stars in a specific solar system I still too. I came across the meaning of triple six in the numerology it means almost the same as in Christianity something bad. Introducing the universe to me if everything came from the. Then we are created from the from the universe what makes up stars is what we're made of there's no contradiction.
If God created life or spoke life into everything then a part of God is that everything. Though of these things that things that are simply matter physical and things that are physical but alive which contain consciousness to their different levels then there's the unseen you could say the spiritual world which is just the conscience . when we die we become spirit which is the conscience which is the universe which is God.
So I believe I am a god everyone else is god and we're all a part of God .
that's why the conscience is believed to be the spirit.
Love this.
An additional argument for this can be made around the physical Peculiarities of having one's corpus colossum severed, it gives rise to the question of perception of reality VS reality. How can any person know the consciousness of another? They can't, when the corpus coliseum is severed this becomes very evident.
To me, pantheism is pure belief and all other religions are just a selling of belief for followers.
And in a weird twist pantheism doesn't care if you believe it just like God.
Apostle Paul
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
I was an Atheist a few years ago.
Science was my answer to anything and everything.
I was going trough a tough time and a few friends of mine got me to try LSD. I dont know why i just accepted (i didnt do drugs back then). Itmade me think more about me and my situation, where i am in life and where i want to go. After a few trips i had somethin akin to an ego death. I could define the border between myself, my body, the trees and the ground. After the effects wore off i started to understand what i had felt in that moment. Unity.
I talked to atheists and religous people alike and found that theres nothing really seperating them in the fundamental parts of their world views. If you relize that science is just theories built on more theories built on subjective observation, there is nothing prohibiting god. All the core physical attributes we attribute to god are present in the universe itself. I for my part just added god into the equation in a way that doesnt change anything.
One thing most people don't really realize is that there are different types of pantheists. The naturalist/scientific Pantheists are Atheists in all but name. Basically, it's just Atheism but with Religious and Spiritual language thrown in.
The other kind is the New Age Pantheist which sees God as a type of mystical energy that permeates throughout the entire universe and that we are all part of this energy called God. These two types of Pantheists have radically different worldviews and such. Their only overlap is they see everything as connected. The New Age Pantheists generally believe in reincarnation and karma and psychic abilities and such. The naturalistic pantheists don't believe in any of that. It's just kind of interesting how they are almost opposites yet both use the same term.
I believe that consciousness itself is god
Someone asked me "If God is everything, then how is he [insert malicious thing]? How can he be bad?" My answer is that God is everything. God is perfection. God is totality. God is good, bad, everything between that, and everything outside of it. God is the universe, and becaude everything comes from the universe, everything is God.
One fateful night, I literally kneeled by my bedside (I was an agnostic, but feeling lost) and I prayed to ??? and, somehow through that, came to become a Pantheist without even having known this term. After speaking to a friend about my beliefs, he told me the name of my belief: Pantheism, and now I've just been binging research on Pantheism XD
It makes sense to me.
Me too. It makes sense to me than any religion. Its the most logical explanation.
an animal shell in the ocean is more complex than the ocean, but it doesn't mean its greater than the ocean... but it contributes to the meaning of the ocean
The universe is omniscient but impersonal. It is “omniscient” via the intricate interplay of cause and effect. It plays out exactly how it supposed to work out given the laws of nature
Our own thoughts are product of smaller less complex interactions of entities in our brain just as the thoughts of the Universe grow and interact between intelligent beings. Now that we are each day more connected through the internet we are becoming like a giant brain with contradicting but also with similar ideas. And a day will come when we interact with extraterrestrials and so on.
We already have a word for everything. It's "everything". Good is not everything, the universe, or love. We have words for those concepts that already do all the work they're needed to do.
All versions of god are either an untestable force or a personified untestable force. No version of god has ever been demonstrated to be possible, much less plausible, much less likely, much less actual.
Everyone who watches this channel are truly human beings
I have elements of pantheism in my faith. Although I am more of a deist!
I was an atheist but came to panpsychism (specifically protopsychism/constitutive micropsychism) due to the hard problem of consciousness.
My question is how does change emerge from an unchanging substance? Was there a first instance of change? Or is change an illusion.
I experienced a full blown ego-death epiphany one night in my early 20s while (to put it mildly) contemplating the cosmos and searching for God. I didn't expect the moment to happen. I didn't ask for it to happen. In my solitude I often gaze at the stars, and I often get lost. But something strange happened that night. I began looking inward and outward simultaneously with more intensity than I have before or since; and for a fleeting moment in my contemplations I was suddenly found. For a mere 30 seconds I became wrapped in a warm blanket of infinite compassion, understanding, and power. In a brief and beautiful moment I fully realized how small I am, how large everything is, and how special and rare life is. An understanding of epic proportion swelled over me so profoundly that I openly wept when it flooded my mind. I felt an acute connection to everything all at once. The emotion of such a feeling was too much to contain. I wept, I laughed. I begged forgiveness That fleeting instance was burned into my brain, and then it was gone as soon as it came on. It took me days to recover, and years to digest. As wonderful as that moment was, I am still frightened of it to this day. However, the notions I came away with post-experience ended up being point-for-point systematically covering nearly everything mentioned in this video. I didn't realize the notions I formed over a decade ago even had a name until tonight. Pantheism! Even more so, I didn't realize how long these notions have been around. I am truly in awe that others have also come to this conclusion without ever having heard it before. What a grand and logical theism. Beautiful in its simplicity, incomprehensibly large in its implications.
I was about to bring up consciousness to explain the difference of Atheism and Pantheism
I would like more information on how much plant vs human consciousness there is. Plants can communicate with eachother and people haven't seemed to figure out communicating 😂😮😢
Absolutely fun video! I really enjoyed you guys. Be well and thank you for your energy
Plant communication is primarily conducted by the microorganisms within the plants.
They exchange minerals. These transaction interactions are similar to programming code running through logic gates.
I don’t think it would be possible to have a conversation with the microorganisms outside of their understanding or vocabulary.
What you have to wonder is, are the microorganisms providing us with fruits, other edible vegetation and timber, so that we will care for them?
I love the idea that crop circles are made by the microorganisms trying to reach out to us, but I highly doubt we have anything in common to say other than what we already communicate,
Changing the colour of fruits so you know you can take them, or other colour signals indicating low levels of nutrients.
@@glasfish I wish we had their efficiency for communication. Someday. They have no problem asking for what they need and they help eachother if they can. Your energy is valued. I learned I have more to learn. Thank you.
@@glasfish ps. I don't understand computers well and somehow see most of us are working with coding errors. Working as programmed not necessarily as designed. Not everyone can program well I would suppose. AI is interesting in that we just might have to look at ourselves and won't be able to look away anymore. Maybe. I'm a dreamer.
I have this feeling that if you do bad in your life, you are effecting the whole of everything in a negative way and that is what is considered the wrath of God. The dominoe effect of being a bad and selfish person trickles through every person and everyone
A pantheist believes matter is an illusion. An atheist believes matter is all that is. Big difference.
Apostle Paul
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
God is the origin of life. Other attributes of God are secondary. God does not need to encompass the entire universe but only that which leads to life. Also, we do not need to look at redundancies when claiming that God is the universe.
Excellent.
"Supergeniuses" *shows picture of Elon Musk*
Do not trust your perceptions. Perceptions are flawed.
- Quantum physics 🌟✨
What we see is not the reality! The appearance is mistaken.
Thus, there are two truths of the same reality we live in: the conventional truth (that we see and experience) & the ultimate truth (that we are seeking in actuality as the end goal).
Keep exploring and studying 🥲🌱✌🏻
Did you guys really just put elon musk next to einstein...
Acts 13:38,39 The Apostle Paul shows way of SALVATION
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Elon Musk is a super genius?...
Maybe not on the levels of Einstein but yeah
@@calvinfuller5293. Maybe a genius, MAYBE! But a super genius. Normal people or those with above average intelligence can do great things too. I’m not disparaging Elon, but I just think it’s more likely he’s NOT a super genius then he is.
I would say Musk is more a modern-day Edison. An intelligent inventor at least, but more so a businessman and does a lot of riding on the coat tails of others.
Rights are grounded in personhood. To obviate individual personhood is to uproot the entire foundation of moral agency. Furthermore, your theory relies on a multiverse which you take on a faith. That is your perogative but if each individual universe is unable to explain the cause, then an infinity of universes will likewise be unable to explain the cause of its existence. You still need one universe that is an uncaused cause ... and that my friends is what theists call God. You can call it whatever you want but logic dictates that it exists.
11:05 are you not having a discussion right now? Are you not having a discussion right now, sharing conscious experiences through the power of language? Don't you see that litterally everything that you have been talking about throughout this video are other peoples thoughts? How is that not a mental link? It is and the ability to communicate, to pass around thoughts and ideas, it's a great example of a greater consciousness. We're constantly sharing our consciousness with each other, constantly pitching around ideas and knowledge, this is of the key goals of our educational institutions. And we sometimes take these ideas and use them to come up with new ideas, something that we would have been unable to do from scratch on our own. Like Newton said: "If I appear to have looked further than most, then it is because I stood on the shoulders of Giants!". This is what we humans do, we climb the shoulders of previous generations, and generation by generation we look and think a little further. Newtons, Einsteins and other great minds great ideas, did not die with the great minds, their ideas have rather become part of our shared greater collective human consciousness.
i finally found a word that describes what i beleive on!! im a pantheist yayy
i mean, i don't have to explain myself when people ask me what is my religion
Great video but when are ya going to fix that damn rug?!
Consciousness as one!!!
Loved this video! Great explanation. Only problem I had with this vid is the idea that Elon Musk is a super genius LOL. Otherwise, v good.
Albert Einstein: "The answer is yes or no depending on the interpretation"
Now let's insert the question: "Do you believe in God?"
@@MirorInvenio Yes, Einstein had pantheistic views very heavily influenced by the philosopher Spinoza. Basically God is deliberately defined as Nature or Beingness and why not? Don't forget, this is still a complete rejection of a supernatural or personal God.
I talk to God and witness God in nature everyday. I simply refuse to believe it's a Him or Her, nor allow myself to be divided by world Religions.
Great explanations
Thank you.
I came to the conclusion of Pantheism independently by reasoning that the universe has all the traits necessary to be a divine being, as such, I consider the totality of all reality to be divine in nature. With that said, what is this stuff about monads? That sounds like a religious belief that is not based in reality and seems completely absurd.
I think humans are the universe experiencing itself. Furthermore, I think it is possible for the universe to have some kind of grand consciousness that is too great for us to understand, perhaps with stars acting like synapses or some such thing. But that monad stuff sounds an awful lot like a load of hogwash that is not in line with a reality-based pantheistic belief.
You are a sub equasion to a greater equasion, we do interact with each other, it is called communication AxB is an equation A and B are individualy sub equasions to that equasion.
What if the universe is only one aspect of god and that the multiverse is the totality of a Pantheistic god? God being the universal set within itself. God in this instance is not well founded as a set, but contains sets that are well founded. The multiversal functions being the defining functions of God. We can therefore exist as part of god in a well founded realm and accept that conceptually everything beyond the well founded is non well founded but by definition non well founded sets surround well founded sets.
So what bout all possible evil in spiritual realm and earth
Can you imagine true sacriffice,courage,altruism od know hot all of it works?But if evrything basen on second law of thermodynamics,Every form of life should be destroyed.
Do a heroic dose of shrooms you'll feel it. Lol
I really enjoyed this video. However, I am not at all convinced by the arguments distinguishing atheism from pantheism. I do no agree that atheism necessarily involves a rejection of the idea of consciousness as a fundamental part of the universe. I am quite sure you can be an atheist panpsychist. After watching this video, I am still not convinced that the pantheistic use of the word god is adding anything meaningful. What exactly is 'god' according to pantheism? We already have a word for the universe, it is 'universe', why use the word 'god' for this?
I think that it's much older than Spinoza although separating what these people in more ancient times actually believed isn't easy.Bruno is often called a pantheist but as I read him I'd say he was a panentheist.Plotinus definitely a panentheist and they say Plato would have been a panentheist had he been consistent.Of course it could be that pantheism and panentheism are not really separate and along with pandeism are all just parts of a spectrum of similar belief.
That second voice made me want to punch my phone
The Cosmos is not "god". The Cosmos is the Cosmos a boundless mass of eternal energy.
We are the ego. Our personal experiences shape our personalities.
When you die. It will be like before you were born. Time will be irrelevant. You will be born again. And again. And again. But you will not be YOU. This ego shaped brain based in experiences the new brain will not have.
Interesting!
YES , Infinity Squared I.S. GOD UNI-VERSE. 010 TELEPATHIC SYSTEM.
I had no idea there was a name for my beliefs!
It's hardly a belief. More like a philosophical conclusion.
@@mortenrobinson5421 Yes and no. I first came to the idea via Ayahuasca, so that would be a belief. Since then, it has become much less belief and much more , as you put it, a philosophical conclusion. Thanks for the comment!
Me too. I'm so glad I read you comment. Goes to show words aren't really needed.
@@AndrewUnruh where can you do a ayahuasca journey? can you do it by yourself, perhaps guided by some video for the journey online?
@@xspice1891 I do not recommend doing it without an experienced guide there in person - at least not at first.
Do your research - there are a lot of people who are just in it for the money. The first time I did it, it was at New Life Ayahuasca in Costa Rica. I'm sure there are lots of good outfits out there, but that one is very good.
There are analogs to true Ayahuasca. In my experience, Syrian Rue/Acacia Confusa works every bit as well as the 'real' stuff.
Research dr;ug interactions. There can be deadly consequences if you combine Aya with certain drugs (such as SSRIs).
An Atheist comes into the universe, a stranger in a hostile place, and feels they are seperate from it. A Pantheist comes out of the universe, having arrived home, and feels they are a part of it.
Beautifully put.
Perfectly explained !
Nice! Borrowing it! haha!
An atheist however comes into the universe/existence out of the universe/existing things. Its no different, just different language
Yes, I would further that a pantheist acknowledges the potential and wonder of the universe. And in fact a thing worthy of celebration and awe, a spiritual totality within nature
. An atheist feels put upon to a large degree by a hostile universe, somewhat trapped by thoughts of division rather than connection , and often nihilistic compulsions.
The debating format is a genius way to explain concepts. Thanks for doing this 💜
You're welcome, thanks for watching, glad you like the content :)
Classic Hegelian dialectic
Pantheism differs from atheism is that an atheist sees it self apart from the ''all'' and pantheist see him self as part off the ''all''
One big organism
Disagree. You can deny the existence of a theistic god and be a philosophical pantheist at the same time. In fact, I’d argue that many pantheists are secular people who don’t follow religious rituals, despite having an interest in spirituality.
@@typicallymoody yeah that's me
@@typicallymoody I'm not sure I understand your point. I would think denying the existence of a theistic god, in itself is part of Pantheism. In the understanding of the word anyway. I will always, in my personal consciousness refer to a Unity, as the inherent understanding of the word God personifies something we could never comprehend. While there are no specific religious rituals relating to Pantheism, there are avenues some take to bring deeper awareness of the Universe. But that can range from the study of science, different philosophies or religions, meditation, or even drug use. Spirituality itself can simply be seen as the energy that flows through us all or as far as a conscious design that lays out the path we walk.
@@typicallymoody nope. Pantheism and atheism are mutually exclusive.
The atheist doesn't see himself apart from the "all". The conflict just lies in philosophy of mind. Pantheistic views which adopt physicalism or panpsychism (panpsychism accepts physical world as fundamental) are just euphemisms for atheism while Idealistic pantheism differs from atheism.
Pantheism fits well with another belief of mine, the Akashic Records. I thought I was a agnostic for a long time but deep inside myself I knew there was something, something grand, almost karma like, with positive and negative actions and thoughts. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction so to say.
Some branch from Islam such sufism also view God with phanteist perspective
@@azmihakam sufism music is great
Displaying God as an old man in the sky discredits theism
I’m a pantheist because it just makes the most logical and intuitive sense to me when observing and experiencing the natural world. I don’t actually wish to be one, it’s just slightly less depressing than atheism, but I still struggle not to give into nihilism.
I feel like I'm spamming here cos I commented a similar thing to another person, but I feel it's important to pass on the suggestion to read Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramhansa Yogananda, and Be Here Now by Ram Dass. They are two books that helped me figure things out...plus other 'tools' at times! 😄
There’s no need for someone to explain or convince you to believe in pantheism. Once you wakeup, you will automatically believe it naturally.
it is basically Advaita Vedanta, from hinduism
@@jelouche Nature worship is often considered the primitive source of modern religious beliefs and can be found in pantheism, panentheism, deism, polytheism, animism, Taoism, totemism, Hinduism, shamanism, some theism and paganism including Wicca.
As an atheist i think Pantheism is better than theist. It seems more realistic
You might be interested in Spinoza!
@A Wanderer bro calm down.
@A Wanderer just seems overly aggressive.
@A Wanderer I'm not sure how that's relevant? I enjoy philosophy?
@A Wanderer some people would call this entertainment “food for thought” or “intellectual stimulation”. Adopt a calmer approach and be one with yourself and accept things how they are. You will never change that atheism exists. Venting your frustrations like this is not an act of acceptance but rather an act of rejection. Your beliefs are valid. Stand strong in your beliefs like a flower among weeds. Do not hate the weeds for being weeds. They are simply distractions
I was an Atheist most of my life, then Agnostic and now a Pantheist. Although the similarities between Atheism & Pantheism are large, I'd argue that the same amount of similarities can be found when comparing Pantheism to any other religious or spiritual belief. And that switching from "God doesn't exist" to "God is everything" is a HUGE psychological leap.
As an Atheist, I refused the idea of a spirit, divinity or anything "magical". It could all be explained through science & evolution eventually. Now as a Pantheist I believe there's an almost infinite amount of spirits, divinity is all around me & magical is the only word I could use to describe a conscious Universe and my small part in it.
So although the word God is the only thing that separates Atheism & Pantheism linguistically, I believe that one word or belief is what puts Atheism & Pantheism at opposing ends of the spectrum. Atheism being at the bottom with no spiritual beliefs at all & Pantheism at the very top encompassing all spiritual beliefs.
I'd like to add and debate that Pantheism is the only decentralized belief.
Thanks for video guys! Absolutely brilliant!
we went through the same exact spiritual journey
Your post should say "the dissimilarities between atheism and pantheism are large"
Your assertion that the word "God is the only thing that separates atheism and pantheism linguistically" is false.
So do you pray, or talk to the spiritual world? But not like expecting life to go a certain way because you prayed, or expressed your hopes.
@@MrsBridgette2012 Pantheism do not believe in spirit. Maybe Wicca. It is the feeling of love, devotion, and a sense of attachment. It's almost like that but towards the planet. The focus on magic is one of the biggest differences between wicca and paganism.
I had a dmt trip with the creator of the universe.. I didn't realise she was until half way through the trip I turned to her and said are u god ? And she laughed and said no this is god while pointing at the universe.. amazing journey.. she also told me we are energy and once made we can't die in her world... this trip brought me here looking for answers. 🤣
sounds super cool omg cant wait for my trip
That is crazy...in a good way. Very interesting!
Sounds like pantheism is right up your alley.
@@Galoxieview funnily enough I had never heard the term before.. but since I've told my trip story many people have said it sounds like that...
@@natmcd4043 Not just like that, is that. My whole basis in it stems from Einstein and his views on energy and monism, but also had my fair share of trips. Welcome to the club 🎉. Happy Journeys Nat. Be happy to talk some pantheism if you ever have the need.
Please do not stop making these videos... you guys make some very easy-to-follow content on greatly abstract topics such as this. I love it.
Thank you very much :) and we still have a lot more to come.
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
As a (scientific) pantheist, thank you for this respectful take. When one thinks about God as separate from the creation, it is impossible to fully appreciate the vast and completeness of the creation. If it is two separate things, than God must be far greater (which is still possible with pantheism), and the creation insignificant in comparison. If God is separate, than God is limited, smaller than what could be.
But when it is realized that the creation is equal to and combined, it offers an aspect that each is great.
And, as individuals, our greatest praise must be to fully appreciate and try to understand the creation as a whole. And our greatest worship, is to participate as part of the creation. Through works that improve (such as thought, exploration, art) and through caring for the creation and it's parts (such as eachother)
Beautifully said, thank you.
Thank you for that!
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
I wouldn't say I adopted the belief, but rather I self-discovered it using my own feelings. I looked around for a word that suited my belief and came across Animism, but now I feel like Pantheism is much closer to my understanding of the universe than Animism.
According to Hinduism god is energy present in this universe and we all have evolved from this energy named as adi - shaktee .
This is explained more logically than 7 day creation.
Except that story isn't a logical one
@@Platinumotion why do you say so?
Explain how 7 day creation isn’t explain logically? it literally makes perfect sense God created everything within 7 days, giving 7 a significant role within the Bible
@@Ranchy_Ranch I mean logic requires reasonings and scientific explanation, not faith.
@@rainb5987 My faith doesn’t belong in the 7 days of creation, in belongs in the person who made it, and exactly what’s go confusing about the 7 days of creation? It’s literally like learning the ABC’s it’s not even complicated
Monads = midi chlorians from Star Wars, responsible for one’s oneness with the Force.
Apostle Paul
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
This channel gives life purpose. I always wait for you guys.
Thank you :D
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Each religion shows a pixel of God. Pantheism zooms out and takes the picture to call it God. Individual God in each religion is like picking up rock and calling it earth.
Great explanation!! I fully understand it! 👏👏👏
That approach sounds nice, but it doesn’t hold water when scrutinized. Every religion’s conception of God is completely disparate in terms of origins and character traits.
Why would you assume that all religions contain elements of truth? What if they are all incorrect?
Pantheism perfectly explains the psychedelic experiences I’ve had. After my first acid trip, I started researching pantheism and it felt like all the puzzle pieces in my brain fell into place perfectly
Exactly my same experience
Drugs are great for this!
Yeah me too, but I’m still not entirely sure tbh. I’m definitely not a monotheist, but a lot of my personal experiences point towards pantheism. However there’s another part of me that thinks pantheism is unscientific.
@@rico14 maybe it is animism.
@@augustodelerme7233 wdym animism
If you do not feel like your mind is part of anything else then just try some mushrooms lmfao
Very good explanation of panthiesm, but i would think that everything can have infinite consciousness when it realizes its godness
I did not know I was a pantheist when I had a near death experience (NDE) and obtained this knowledge. I believe that most NDEers would label themselves as pantheists if they understood the meaning.
Could you elaborate on that, please? What knowledge did you obtain and how it happened?
@A Wanderer Half dead, I don't think people who experience it could explain... Pretty much you died but came back or at least you were in the process of dying. I'm one of those people too
@A Wanderer Okay
I am one of those and have changed my beliefs since that day.. I am most definitely a pantheist ( just now discovered there is a name to my personal philosophy lol)
I almost died when I was in my early teens, shit crazy fr i came to this realization without knowing what pantheism is
I’m glad I know this exist now
Energy can't be created or destroyed.
Therefore god is eternal.
Ain't that the truth 👋👍
Psychedelics brought me here.
I was a hard-core atheist until DMT. Pantheism now seems like the logical answer for me.
Awesome. I like all your videos but the long form ones (over 10 mins) are just great when you get into the actual point / counter-point mode.
I was really surprised you went as far as mentioning 'monads' when discussing pantheism.
I like that your videos don't leave the viewer in a glib conclusive stance, but in a frame of mind that opens more deeply to further investigation.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you very much, happy to hear you enjoy the content!
Us humans will label anything god
Wish I had people to have friendly debates like this with
Acts 14:12-17) - God Left A Witness of his Existence
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
I love how the left guy pretends to be listening but just wants to prove its false.
Just like real debates.
The Koran says fa'ainama tuwallu wajhullah. Whatever you see, you see God's face.
Jeremiah 10: THE TRUE GOD - THE GREAT GOD
6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.
12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.
Exodus 15:1-8,10,11 MOSES - What He has to say about GOD
1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
2 The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.
4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
5 The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.
6 Thy right hand, O Lord, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O Lord, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.
7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.
8 And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.
10 Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters.
11 Who is like unto thee, O Lord, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?
holy shit perfect time for my high school course (: tyvm
I have been looking for a word or a title for my beliefs . Thank you . 💜
You're welcome, hope you enjoyed the video.
Love this tbh, i believe I never knew the term to what I believe - and also, we definitely share consciousness. In fact, dogma is what Steve Jobs spoke about --- how our thoughts are effected by those around us. Also, telepathy is something I sometimes think of a lot, and I believe just like Albert Einstein thought "A person starts living when he can live outside himself" -- sometimes, i feel that some of my thoughts are originating from someone else besides myself and not just from myself. On another hand, religion says that Judas was destined to fail Jesus. It was destined, so where is there true will there, or maybe it is the intention theory that tricked him into doing so. We are humans, we will never really know. I stopped asking these questions at 16 and got back to them recently. I think we are part of consciousness, and when you are aligned with it and if you work on a high frequency and you are dealing with people with awareness, you manifest exactly what you want - the universe listens to you - God listens to you.